Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Judith Stemerdink-Herret via OSList]

The list works and serves the purpose of sharing and supporting each other 
nicely. 
(Maybe apart from long repetitive reference emails that we forgot to delete 
before we send our reply off ;-)

And I sense, the most important is why it works: it is the spirit of the 
community who makes the list as a simple tool work!

Kind regards,
Judith

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From: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
Date: 28. January 2021 at 02:15:13 CET
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>


It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform started? 
When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch up with a 
workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for your 
consideration, 
Mark Carmel


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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

chives 
to
see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by 
topic
access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the 
years.


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On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:27, info via OSList wrote:

Hear hear.
Love it!
Tonnie



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 Oorspronkelijk bericht 
Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
Datum: 29-01-2021 17:59 (GMT+01:00)
Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
Cc: Tony Budak 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a 
very

effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.

Cheers,
Tony
On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for 
sure
it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably 
existed as

long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the
thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space 
(that

would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a
marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked 
for ?

(20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...

ho

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:


Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do 
better.
Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the 
OSList.


I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But 
looking
at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the 
first one
in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV 
(

osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.

Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list 
still

exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many 
messages

have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. 
Harold
has managed this so that we still have and can search every message 
ever

sent through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the 
total is
now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that 
number,

Harold?

Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:


Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, 
and
the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform 
that
supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and 
also to

those who preceded you.

A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to 
follow
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the 
archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every 
post
gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When 
something
that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the 
archives to
see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by 
topic
access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the 
years.


in genuine contact,
Birgitt

[imag

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[JL Walker B. via OSList]

Perhaps the only thing that we needed to do with the Oslist is to putting some 
light on it.



Juan Luis



De: OSList  En nombre de Harrison Owen 
SR via OSList
Enviado el: viernes, 29 de enero de 2021 17:54
Para: World wide Open Space Technology email list 

CC: Harrison Owen SR 
Asunto: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time



Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure it 
doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as long or 
longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the 
thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that 
would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a marvelous job. 
Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ? (20??)years! And 
please don't fix it if it ain't broke...



ho



On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better. Thank 
you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.

I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But looking at my 
own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the first one in 
December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV 
(osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu <mailto:osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu> ) days.

Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still exists 
in this open, free, independent way.



And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages have 
we posted here so far?



Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold has 
managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever sent 
through the list. Amazing!



I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is now.  
I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number, Harold?



Thanks, Michael







On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote:

Thank you Harold,

I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the 
independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that supports 
us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to those who 
preceded you.



A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow threads 
really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives  
<http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post gets 
placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is 
posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I may 
have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what has been 
discussed in relation to the topic over the years.



in genuine contact,

Birgitt



  
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[lucia pavia Ticzon via OSList]

I concur, as a butterfly open spacer living in the Philippines in local and
non local consciousness. Perhaps one say I will join a virtual gathering.

In light, peace, and openness,

luchie

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 12:59 AM Tony Budak via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very
> effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
>
> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure
> it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as
> long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the
> thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that
> would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a
> marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ?
> (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
>
> ho
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better.
>> Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.
>>
>> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But looking
>> at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the first one
>> in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV (
>> osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>>
>> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
>> exists in this open, free, independent way.
>>
>> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
>> have we posted here so far?
>>
>> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold
>> has managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever
>> sent through the list. Amazing!
>>
>> I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
>> now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
>> Harold?
>>
>> Thanks, Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Harold,
>>> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and
>>> the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
>>> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
>>> those who preceded you.
>>>
>>> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
>>> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
>>> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
>>> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to
>>> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
>>> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>>>
>>> in genuine contact,
>>> Birgitt
>>>
>>> [image: Picture]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Birgitt Williams*
>>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants  *
>>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>>> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
>>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>>
>>>
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[Phelim McDermott via OSList]

ports 
> us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to those who 
> preceded you.
> 
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow threads 
> really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>. Every post gets 
> placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is 
> posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I 
> may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what 
> has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
> 
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
> 
> Picture
> 
> Birgitt Williams
> Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants
> Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership 
> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com/>
> -- 
> Harold Shinsato
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> 
> Hear hear. 
> Love it!
> Tonnie
> 
> 
> 
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
> 
> 
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
> Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
> Datum: 29-01-2021 17:59 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
> Cc: Tony Budak 
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
> 
> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very 
> effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tony
> 
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
>> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure it 
>> doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as long 
>> or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the 
>> thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that 
>> would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a marvelous 
>> job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ? 
>> (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
>> 
>> ho
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
>> mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> Michael,
>> 
>> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better. 
>> Thank you as well for hel

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Harold Shinsato via OSList]

t up anymore. Do you have that 
number, Harold?


Thanks, Michael

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
wrote:

Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and 
the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform 
that supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and 
also to those who preceded you.


A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow 
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the 
archives http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
<http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>. Every 
post gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When 
something that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the 
archives to see what I may have missed in the thread and also 
simultaneously by topic access what has been discussed in relation to 
the topic over the years.


in genuine contact,
Birgitt

Picture

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On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:27, info via OSList wrote:

Hear hear.
Love it!
Tonnie



Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy


 Oorspronkelijk bericht 
Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
    Datum: 29-01-2021 17:59 (GMT+01:00)
Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
Cc: Tony Budak 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a
very effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.

Cheers,
Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And
for sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has
probably existed as long or longer than any competitors, is
searchable, carries the thinking/sweat/arguments of those who
discovered living in Open Space (that would be 1000's) and Harold
(the most recent curator) has done a marvelous job. Thanks. Could
it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ? (20??)years! And
please don't fix it if it ain't broke...

ho

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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

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On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:27, info via OSList wrote:

Hear hear.
Love it!
Tonnie



Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy


 Oorspronkelijk bericht 
Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
Datum: 29-01-2021 17:59 (GMT+01:00)
    Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
Cc: Tony Budak 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a
very effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.

Cheers,
Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And
for sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has
probably existed as long or longer than any competitors, is
searchable, carries the thinking/sweat/arguments of those who
discovered living in Open Space (that would be 1000's) and Harold
(the most recent curator) has done a marvelous job. Thanks. Could
it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ? (20??)years! And
please don't fix it if it ain't broke...

ho

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could
do better. Thank you as well for helping out with the admin
work for the OSList.

I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives.
But looking at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k
messages since the first one in December of 1996 back in the
old Boise State University LISTSERV (osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu
<mailto:osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu>) days.

    Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the
list still exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how
many messages have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools,
folks. Harold has managed this so that we still have and can
search every message ever sent through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what
the total is now. I can’t figure where to look it up
anymore. Do you have that number, Harold?

Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Thank y

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Michael Herman via OSList]

ves to
> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
> Picture
>
> Birgitt Williams
> Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants
> Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
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> On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:27, info via OSList wrote:
>
> Hear hear.
> Love it!
> Tonnie
>
>
>
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
>
>
>  Oorspronkelijk bericht 
> Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
> Datum: 29-01-2021 17:59 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
> Cc: Tony Budak 
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
>
> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very
> effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
>
> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure
> it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as
> long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the
> thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that
> would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a
> marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ?
> (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
>
> ho
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better.
>> Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.
>>
>> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But looking
>> at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the first one
>> in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV (
>> osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>>
>> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
>> exists in this open, free, independent way.
>>
>> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
>> have we posted here so far?
>>
>> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold
>> has managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever
>> sent through the list. Amazing!
>>
>> I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
>> now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
>> Harold?
>>
>> Thanks, Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Harold,
>>> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and
&g

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Steve Holyer via OSList]

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On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:27, info via OSList wrote:


Hear hear. Love it!TonnieVerzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
 Datum: 29-01-2021  17:59  (GMT+01:00) 
Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList  Cc: 
Tony Budak  Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list 
serve is antiquated big time

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is
  a very effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
Cheers,
  Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR
  via OSList wrote:



  Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated
bulletin board. And for sure it doesn't exist in 4 
colors/touch

screen. BUT it has probably existed as long or longer than any
competitors, is searchable, carries the 
thinking/sweat/arguments

of those who discovered living in Open Space (that would be
1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a
marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has
worked for ? (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't
broke...


ho



On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39
  AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 


  wrote:


   Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I 
could
do better. Thank you as well for helping out with the 
admin

work for the OSList.

I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the
Archives. But looking at my own stash of the emails, I
counted 42.9k messages since the first one in December of
1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV 
(osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.


    Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:


  Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re
the only reason the list still exists in this open,
free, independent way. 


  And just so everyone can notice the scale
of the thing, how many messages have we posted here so
far?  


  Cuz it’s not just about updating or
swapping email tools, folks. Harold has managed this 
so

that we still have and can search every message ever
sent through the list. Amazing!


  I know we passed 3 some time ago but
couldn’t guess what the total is now.  I can’t 
figure

where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
Harold?


  Thanks, Michael 






  On Thu, Jan 28, 2021
at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 


wrote:



  Thank you
Harold,
  I love
the simplicity that has been maintained for 
our

email list, and the independence to the extent
possible for us to be in a platform that
supports us. Thank you for your work on this
over many years, and also to those who 
preceded

you.


  A super
super simple way to pay attention to the list,
and to follow threads really really easily is 
to
use the GREAT feature of the 
archives http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org.

Every post gets placed in the archives, the
archives are searchable. When something that 
is
posted catches my attention, it is easy to go 
to

the archives to see what I may have missed in
the thread and also simultaneously by t

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[info via OSList]

Hear hear. Love it!TonnieVerzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Tony Budak via OSList 
 Datum: 29-01-2021  17:59  (GMT+01:00) Aan: 
Harrison Owen SR via OSList  Cc: Tony Budak 
 Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big 
time 
No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is
  a very effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
Cheers,
  Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR
  via OSList wrote:


  
  Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated
bulletin board. And for sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch
screen. BUT it has probably existed as long or longer than any
competitors, is searchable, carries the thinking/sweat/arguments
of those who discovered living in Open Space (that would be
1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a
marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has
worked for ? (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't
broke...


ho
  
  
  
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39
  AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
  wrote:


   Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could
do better. Thank you as well for helping out with the admin
work for the OSList.

I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the
Archives. But looking at my own stash of the emails, I
counted 42.9k messages since the first one in December of
1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV 
(osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.

    Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:


  Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re
the only reason the list still exists in this open,
free, independent way. 
  
  
  And just so everyone can notice the scale
of the thing, how many messages have we posted here so
far?  
  
  
  Cuz it’s not just about updating or
swapping email tools, folks. Harold has managed this so
that we still have and can search every message ever
sent through the list. Amazing!
  
  
  I know we passed 3 some time ago but
couldn’t guess what the total is now.  I can’t figure
where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
Harold?
  
  
  Thanks, Michael 
  
  
  
  
  

  On Thu, Jan 28, 2021
at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 

wrote:
  
  

  Thank you
Harold,
  I love
the simplicity that has been maintained for our
email list, and the independence to the extent
possible for us to be in a platform that
supports us. Thank you for your work on this
over many years, and also to those who preceded
you.
  
  
  A super
super simple way to pay attention to the list,
and to follow threads really really easily is to
use the GREAT feature of the archives 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org.
Every post gets placed in the archives, the
archives are searchable. When something that is
posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to
the archives to see what I may have missed in
the thread and also simultaneously by topic
access what has been discussed in relation to
the topic over the years. 
  
  
  in
genuine contact,
  Birgitt

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Tony Budak via OSList]

No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a very 
effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.


Cheers,
Tony

On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for 
sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably 
existed as long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries 
the thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open 
Space (that would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has 
done a marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has 
worked for ? (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...


ho

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList 
> wrote:


Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do
better. Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for
the OSList.

I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But
looking at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages
since the first one in December of 1996 back in the old Boise
State University LISTSERV (osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu
) days.

    Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list
still exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many
messages have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks.
Harold has managed this so that we still have and can search
every message ever sent through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the
total is now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you
have that number, Harold?

Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:

Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email
list, and the independence to the extent possible for us to
be in a platform that supports us. Thank you for your work on
this over many years, and also to those who preceded you.

A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to
follow threads really really easily is to use the GREAT
feature of the archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
.
Every post gets placed in the archives, the archives are
searchable. When something that is posted catches my
attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I may
have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over
the years.

in genuine contact,
Birgitt

Picture*
*


*Birgitt Williams*
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
*Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation,
leadership development, and the power of nourishing  a
culture of leadership.*
www.dalarinternational.com 



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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Harrison Owen SR via OSList]

Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for sure
it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably existed as
long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries the
thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open Space (that
would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has done a
marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ?
(20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...

ho

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better.
> Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.
>
> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But looking
> at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since the first one
> in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University LISTSERV (
> osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.
>
> Harold
>
> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>
> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
> exists in this open, free, independent way.
>
> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
> have we posted here so far?
>
> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold
> has managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever
> sent through the list. Amazing!
>
> I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
> now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
> Harold?
>
> Thanks, Michael
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Harold,
>> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and
>> the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
>> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
>> those who preceded you.
>>
>> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
>> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
>> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
>> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to
>> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
>> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>>
>> in genuine contact,
>> Birgitt
>>
>> [image: Picture]
>>
>>
>> *Birgitt Williams*
>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants  *
>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
>> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>
>>
> --
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> https://shinsato.com
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Harold Shinsato via OSList]

Michael,

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do better. 
Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the OSList.


I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But 
looking at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since 
the first one in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State University 
LISTSERV (osl...@idbsu.idbsu.edu) days.


    Harold

On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list 
still exists in this open, free, independent way.


And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many 
messages have we posted here so far?


Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. 
Harold has managed this so that we still have and can search every 
message ever sent through the list. Amazing!


I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total 
is now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that 
number, Harold?


Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> wrote:


Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list,
and the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a
platform that supports us. Thank you for your work on this over
many years, and also to those who preceded you.

A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to
follow threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of
the archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
.
Every post gets placed in the archives, the archives are
searchable. When something that is posted catches my attention, it
is easy to go to the archives to see what I may have missed in the
thread and also simultaneously by topic access what has been
discussed in relation to the topic over the years.

in genuine contact,
Birgitt

Picture*
*


*Birgitt Williams*
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants *
*Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation,
leadership development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of
leadership.*
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Mark

If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!

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On Thu Jan 28 2021 19:01:23 GMT-0500 (EST), l33t.79--- via OSList 
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 if you prefer Facebook groups, then we have one here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/



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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[l33t.79--- via OSList]

if you prefer Facebook groups, then we have one here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/



On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 09:15 Mark Carmel via OSList, <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
> your consideration,
> Mark Carmel
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Michael Herman via OSList]

Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list still
exists in this open, free, independent way.

And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many messages
have we posted here so far?

Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks. Harold has
managed this so that we still have and can search every message ever sent
through the list. Amazing!

I know we passed 3 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total is
now.  I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that number,
Harold?

Thanks, Michael



On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
> independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
> supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
> those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post
> gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something
> that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to
> see what I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic
> access what has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
> [image: Picture]
>
>
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants  *
> *Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
> www.dalarinternational.com
>
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> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
>> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is
>> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
>> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
>> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>>
>> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
>> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
>> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when
>> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I
>> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
>> Here are the facts.
>>
>> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
>> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
>> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
>> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>>
>> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
>> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
>> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has
>> a more modern interface.
>>
>> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
>> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
>> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
>> app to their phones, etc.
>>
>> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
>> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
>> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is
>> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay
>> independent.
>>
>> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
>> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I
>> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you
>> are being fair or accurate.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>
>> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
>> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
>> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
>> your consideration,
>> Mark Carmel
>>
>>
>> --
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>> har...@shinsato.com
>> https://shinsato.com
>> twitter: @hajush 

Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Thank you Harold,
I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and the
independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform that
supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and also to
those who preceded you.

A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the archives
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org. Every post gets
placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When something that is
posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what I
may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously by topic access what
has been discussed in relation to the topic over the years.

in genuine contact,
Birgitt

[image: Picture]


*Birgitt Williams*
*Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants  *
*Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
development, and the power of nourishing  a culture of leadership.*
www.dalarinternational.com


>> Learn More & Register
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upcoming workshops here.


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Phone: 01-919-522-7750
Like us on Facebook


Connect on LinkedIn




On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:24 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open
> source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service is
> provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting
> service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a great
> company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.
>
> I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not
> something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost
> servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or "when
> the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for truth, but I
> don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially with falsehoods.
> Here are the facts.
>
> 1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the
> real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many
> others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 1970's.
> TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.
>
> 2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 2016.
> The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it just
> minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). which has
> a more modern interface.
>
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look
> very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their
> own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download an
> app to their phones, etc.
>
> 4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups,
> Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community
> standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that is
> appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we can stay
> independent.
>
> Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for
> multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting (which I
> have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I don't think you
> are being fair or accurate.
>
> Harold
>
> On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>
> It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
> started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's catch
> up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
> your consideration,
> Mark Carmel
>
>
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> har...@shinsato.com
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList]

Harold,

Thank you for your efforts and thank you for preferring an open,
independent standard over a walled garden.

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Harold Shinsato via OSList schrieb am 28.01.21 um 16:24:
> 3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to
> look very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to
> use their own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a
> website, download an app to their phones, etc.
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Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time

[Harold Shinsato via OSList]

Hi Mark,

The software we use is version 2.1.23 of GNU MailMan, which is an open 
source email distribution list management platform. Our MailMan service 
is provided for free by DreamHost.com, who also provides free webhosting 
service to the Open Space Institute - U.S. DreamHost.com has been a 
great company, and they offer free webhosting to 501(c)(3) non-profits.


I agree that the MailMan needs an major upgrade. An upgrade is not 
something offered by DreamHost, though I can install it on the DreamHost 
servers. But I hope no one thinks we are back in the "stone ages", or 
"when the internet was first invented". I treasure your passion for 
truth, but I don't like being disrespected or dishonored, especially 
with falsehoods. Here are the facts.


1) The date of the invention of the internet is somewhat fuzzy, but the 
real guy who invented the internet (standing on the shoulders of many 
others) was Vinton Cerf, who designed the TCP/IP protocols in the 
1970's. TCP/IP was accepted as the ARPANET protocol in 1983.


2) Version 2.1.23 GNU MailMan is relatively old, released in August 
2016. The latest 2.x version is 2.1.34 released in June of 2020. But it 
just minor issues. I'd like to update to version 3.3.2 (Nov 6, 2020). 
which has a more modern interface.


3) We are an EMAIL based system. For most people, it's not going to look 
very different, no matter what system we use. Everyone gets to use their 
own email program. We aren't forcing anyone to use a website, download 
an app to their phones, etc.


4) There are other closed platforms we could use. (Like GoogleGroups, 
Groups.IO, etc. etc.). These platforms do have their own community 
standards, and they do forbid certain conversations. I don't think that 
is appropriate for the main Open Space online conversation. I hope we 
can stay independent.


Mark - I am valuing your feedback. We do need a major upgrade, for 
multiple reasons beyond your personal experience of the formatting 
(which I have explained how you can fix in an earlier email). But I 
don't think you are being fair or accurate.


    Harold

On 1/27/21 6:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform 
started? When the internet was first invented? Come on folks, let's 
catch up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. 
Thanks for your consideration,

Mark Carmel



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[Mark Carmel via OSList]

It is so hard to follow a thread of thought. When was this platform
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up with a workable format.  This is in need of a major upgrade. Thanks for
your consideration,
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