Re: AI

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

"old system views"

That makes me wonder if it has any way of differentiating between something
it found from a decade ago to more recent data.

Mike

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, 11:43 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> For me, it depends what you want it to do. It certainly can appear to help
> someone who’s new to an area.
>
>
>
> For most code writing, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed. As an example, if I
> ask it to write SQL, I get a very poor outcome. It will use old deprecated
> views instead of the current system views (that have been around for a
> decade), and often does things in a convoluted way.
>
>
>
> What I have been impressed with, is how it can help you understand
> acronyms, etc. Quite amazing. I’ve also been pretty impressed with using it
> go generate some test data, including in multiple languages. And the test
> data is fairly believable. If I ask it for family names, and I also ask for
> Chinese, it does pick common Chinese family names in the test output.
> That’s pretty impressive.
>
>
>
> It can do a reasonable job of things like “here’s some DAX code, can you
> simplify it?” It often can. Or “here’s a regular expression, can you
> explain what it does?” and it does that just fine. I’ve seen people happily
> using it to explain code that they don’t understand, or to (sort of)
> document some code.
>
>
>
> But it also is so confident on things, yet so wrong. I gave it a 25
> question baseball umpire test the other day. It was 100% confident
> sounding, but 40% correct. The weird thing is that some of the questions
> that it got right, are things that new human umpires often get wrong. Yet
> for simpler questions, it would say that something legal is illegal.
>
>
>
> It’s certainly interesting, but it’s very much a work in progress. It will
> be part of our futures.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
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>
>
> *From:* Tom Gao via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 11:58 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Gao 
> *Subject:* AI
>
>
>
> Hi guys, I haven't posted in a few years and haven't been on the tools for
> a long time now as well. I'm on a panel on a digital conference coming up
> in march. We had a pre meeting today and the topic of AI came up. Two of
> the panelist said cited CBA and Westpac using AI and were able to save 30%
> on development effort.
>
>
>
> Personally I just finished an AI course my view is quite the opposite. My
> personal opinion of the generative AI space and AI in general having spent
> time with the academics is that the benefits are significantly over
> inflated.
>
>
>
> I want to get some other opinions if you are seeing any significant
> benefit and that I may be just out of touch or not aware.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
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Re: Private Apple App distribution

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

They're not even doing full speed USB C iirc

We've come full circle: remember db25 connections, the only thing standard
was the connector.

Mike

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:45 David Connors via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Yeah they did for iPhone 15 - still sell the old ones with Lightning, and
> most headphones, and mice, and trackpads, and probably other things.
>
> I love how Apple used the argument that they didn't want to be forced to
> do it because it would stifle innovation - meanwhile they're selling
> lightning that runs at USB 2.0 speeds while the rest of the planet has
> moved on.
>
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 15:08, mike smith via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Didn't the Euros make them go to USB C?
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:31 David Connors via ozdotnet, <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical
>>> precedence has been set.
>>>
>>> Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're
>>> still selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet <
>>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in
>>>> Europe?
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <
>>>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about
>>>>> this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In
>>>>> response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with
>>>>> one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>>>> *Cc:* Greg Keogh 
>>>>> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple
>>>>> phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it
>>>>> (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same
>>>>> for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a
>>>>> convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone
>>>>> doing this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public
>>>>> and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the
>>>>> company.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Greg Keogh*
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Re: Private Apple App distribution

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

Didn't the Euros make them go to USB C?

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:31 David Connors via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical
> precedence has been set.
>
> Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're still
> selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024.
>
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in
>> Europe?
>>
>> I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about
>>> this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In
>>> response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with
>>> one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>> *Cc:* Greg Keogh 
>>> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple
>>> phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it
>>> (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same
>>> for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a
>>> convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone
>>> doing this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public
>>> and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the
>>> company.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> *Greg Keogh*
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Re: Private Apple App distribution

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe?

I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.

Mike

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about
> this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In
> response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with
> one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com
> 
>  |
> About Greg:  https://about.me/greg.low
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Greg Keogh 
> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
>
> We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple
> phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it
> (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same
> for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a
> convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone
> doing this?
>
>
>
> A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and
> was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Greg Keogh*
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Re: Web app large uploads and downloads

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

It's not a direct answer, but I'd feel happier uploading to OneDrive and
passing the server a link to that.

Mike

On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, 08:29 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Folks (anyone working?)
>
> I've been asked to add a feature to a Blazor Webassembly app to allow
> uploads and downloads of possibly large numbers of files between the local
> file system and Blob storage. I'm not sure how to implement this feature in
> a browser hosted app.
>
> I wrote a WPF tool for "managers" which does high-performance bulk uploads
> and downloads with nice progress (the code is trivial on the desktop), but
> now they want the same feature for "normal" users in the Blazor app. Given
> how dumb and restricted browser hosted apps are, I don't know how to code
> this, or if it's even feasible.
>
> Are there some tools, techniques or tricks I can apply? Any ideas or
> suggestions anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> *Greg Keogh*
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Many years ago

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

We'd post invite codes for Gmail, when it was beta and invite only.

Here's some bsky invite codes, 3, if it doesn't work its been used

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Re: A real C++ vs C# story

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

Back then C++ wasn't so complex.  The STL was in the process of being
developed.  Pentiums were state of the art

On Fri, 1 Sept 2023, 10:57 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> I have never understood the fixation with C++ unless you're in the
>> business of writing kernels, device drivers, embedded systems, etc.
>>
>
> The library we're phasing out was started around 1997, so you can
> throw the authors a bone because the world was very different back then.
> Your main choices were C/C++, VB and Java.
>
> I stand by my opinion that C++ is the most absurdly complex and idiotic
> language in contemporary use. Ooops! I made a judgement.
>
> *GK*
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Sept 2023 at 08:44, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks, it's Friday and I have an anecdote to share before I return to
>>> today's coding fiasco. I'll just tell you what happened and try to avoid
>>> making judgements, I'll leave that to you.
>>>
>>> For about 4 years we've had an Azure hosted Web API/service driving a
>>> moderately complex Blazor app and some other smaller clients. The service
>>> hosted a C++ library that did the heavy lifting of generating
>>> cross-tabulation reports. The trouble was, that the service would randomly
>>> crash deep inside the C++ dll and it would leave no useful diagnostic
>>> evidence, usually just a hint about some kind of memory access violation.
>>> It would never crash in testing, only in Azure. I presume here is a way to
>>> diagnose this sort of crash in Azure hosting, but you probably need the
>>> minidump and symbol files out of the C++ compile, I'm not exactly sure, as
>>> I just couldn't face the toil, and by great luck it was due for replacement
>>> anyway. Some very large US companies were suffering from the crash
>>> interruptions and there was a serious risk that we could lose their
>>> business.
>>>
>>> The lucky part is that the huge C++ codebase was already being rewritten
>>> in C#, so we went into a frenzy of continued conversion and testing, and
>>> the C# replacement is now about 90% rolled-out. and guess what?! ... The
>>> random crashes are gone and one customer even sent us a message of thanks
>>> for the new reliability.
>>>
>>> We did have a few small unhandled exceptions, but I simply went to the
>>> Azure portal logs and the stack trace pointed us straight to the problem
>>> point. We could usually publish a fix within half an hour.
>>>
>>> So years of random C++ crashes were completely cured by a C# rewrite.
>>>
>>> *Greg K*
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Re: A real C++ vs C# story

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

You really need to be generating the pdb files and storing them in a symbol
server.  If you want to view the source code associated with it, store that
as well.  For every build you want to be able to debug.  I used to store it
for all builds, and clean up later, because internal builds sometimes
crashed in QA.

If you don't you'd better get good at reading x64 mnemonics... 

Mike

On Fri, 1 Sept 2023, 08:15 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Folks, it's Friday and I have an anecdote to share before I return to
> today's coding fiasco. I'll just tell you what happened and try to avoid
> making judgements, I'll leave that to you.
>
> For about 4 years we've had an Azure hosted Web API/service driving a
> moderately complex Blazor app and some other smaller clients. The service
> hosted a C++ library that did the heavy lifting of generating
> cross-tabulation reports. The trouble was, that the service would randomly
> crash deep inside the C++ dll and it would leave no useful diagnostic
> evidence, usually just a hint about some kind of memory access violation.
> It would never crash in testing, only in Azure. I presume here is a way to
> diagnose this sort of crash in Azure hosting, but you probably need the
> minidump and symbol files out of the C++ compile, I'm not exactly sure, as
> I just couldn't face the toil, and by great luck it was due for replacement
> anyway. Some very large US companies were suffering from the crash
> interruptions and there was a serious risk that we could lose their
> business.
>
> The lucky part is that the huge C++ codebase was already being rewritten
> in C#, so we went into a frenzy of continued conversion and testing, and
> the C# replacement is now about 90% rolled-out. and guess what?! ... The
> random crashes are gone and one customer even sent us a message of thanks
> for the new reliability.
>
> We did have a few small unhandled exceptions, but I simply went to the
> Azure portal logs and the stack trace pointed us straight to the problem
> point. We could usually publish a fix within half an hour.
>
> So years of random C++ crashes were completely cured by a C# rewrite.
>
> *Greg K*
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

Why does every state government want to build their own Myki?

Mike

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 10:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
>> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>>
>
> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I think
> "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>
> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says, "How
> hard can it be?"
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[mike smith via ozdotnet]

Here's a non paywalled one

https://www.innovationaus.com/burning-12m-a-month-govt-scraps-business-register-overhaul/



On Tue, 29 Aug 2023, 14:34 Tom Rutter via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Another one bites the dust…
>
>
> https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa
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Re: [OT] "Shrinking" IDs in SQL Server

[mike smith]

Possibly both.  Use the hash for your original table, and setup a secondary
table with hash as the key, and a zipped file as data.  But you'd need to
have some provision for the inevitable collisions.

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023, 09:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Hi Tom, I think this is a maths problem more than a SQL one. Good fun!
>
> At first I thought "just MD5 hash the original string to 16 bytes and
> store the 32 hex chars".
>
> Then you said you'd like to convert back, which sank my idea. The only
> option left is compression, but I'll bet it would be a miracle if all of
> your original strings could be roundtripped via 32 compressed characters.
>
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Re: [OT] APNIC charges for historical resources

[mike smith]

It may get worse:
https://blog.rwts.com.au/apnic-under-threat/

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, 14:54 David Connors via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> You should be able to sell the /24 for $15-20 bucks an IP so I'd just pay
> the fee then get a broker to market it for you and flog it off if you're
> not using it.
>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 12:55, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Your replies have confirmed the situation. I didn't realise a IPv4
>> hunt-and-reclaim was going on, and now they've found me, and I can't get
>> off their radar, and they call the shots, and I'll have to roll over and
>> give-up the range I used to own. If I don't join and pay then the range
>> apparently becomes "disabled" from any use. So you have no choice but to
>> surrender (or just hang on to the dead C block out of spite). If it cost
>> $15 a year to keep the range then I'd pay (it's not even worth that), but
>> *$500* !
>>
>> In any other case I would call this theft and extortion.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 13:35, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, the major ISPs ran out of IPv4 space ages ago. I note that I can no
>>> longer get an v4 IP when using any mobile service that has Telstra
>>> underneath it. And of course that’s a world of entertainment for systems
>>> that I need to connect to that have IP v4 allow lists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m sure they’re mopping up all the class Cs as they can. I’ll bet they
>>> did the class B and class A ones ages ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end, whoever owns the routing at the upper levels gets to call
>>> the shots.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Connors via ozdotnet 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 March 2023 1:29 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>> *Cc:* David Connors 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] APNIC charges for historical resources
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Historical objects were always free but they made you bring them into a
>>> paid basis whenever you needed additional IP space or a new AS number or
>>> something. That happened to us years ago. Once you're on that train you
>>> can't get off.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They must be rounding up the stragglers like you. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 07:41, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
>>> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks, It's almost Friday...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block
>>> I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged
>>> $500/year to keep this *historical* resource that was created before
>>> APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change
>>> . Has anyone
>>> else received a similar notification?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection
>>> racket", or all three.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the
>>> dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like
>>> "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering
>>> prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing
>>> scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal
>>> ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> *Greg K*
>>>
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Re: Platform x64 argument

[mike smith]

Sneak some x86 test cases into the build and have it break.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022, 11:07 Tony McGee via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> My understanding is that you target what you want to support, so if he's
> only shipping fully managed code and supporting x64 systems then it doesn't
> matter too much but in that case may be sidelining x86 or ARM users for no
> real reason.
> It gets more complicated if you need to support multiple architectures or
> have unmanaged dependencies where you need to match the bitness of the
> dependencies with the application process, this is where AnyCPU and AnyCPU
> (32-bit preferred) options will start to shine.
>
> https://dzone.com/articles/what-anycpu-really-means-net
>
> -Tony
>
> On 13/10/2022 08:45, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet wrote:
>
> Folks, one of my colleagues insists on compiling everything as platform
> x64 mainly because he thinks "it's an x64 world and it creates a better
> impression". For a year I've tried to convince him that for managed code
> that it's a complete waste of time. I've told him that ildasm.exe shows
> that for x64 and AnyCPU the generated IL and the manifests are identical, I
> even told him that dumpbin.exe shows the only non trivial difference in the
> PE headers is a couple of flags that show x86/x64 and PE32/PE32+, but they
> don't affect the loading and running of a PE containing IL and metadata.
>
> Does anyone have paradigm-shattering evidence I can give my colleague to
> break his habit? (I'm hoping I'm right of course!!)
>
> *Greg*
>
>
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Re: [OT] Stephen Toub's impacts

[mike smith]

That can be uniquely impactful. :^}

On Thu, 1 Sept 2022, 18:50 David Richards via ozdotnet, <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> I always mentally replace "impact" with "affect" and it tends to have a...
> positive impact... on readability.
>
> David
>
> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Sept 2022 at 16:55, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> This is really a Friday topic, but I just found this very long
>> interesting article by Stephen Toub titled Performance Improvements in
>> .NET 7
>> .
>> It's long and technical, so I plan to digest it via the tablet while
>> relaxing in bed tonight (what else is there to do in bed at night?!)
>>
>> I have the same complaint as last year about Stepen's articles .. they
>> are littered with variations of the word "impact". This article has a
>> staggering 48 impacts in it, used in the most ludicrous and ambiguous ways.
>> Normally he uses impact to mean "degrade" or "decrease", but as soon as the
>> second paragraph he says "positively impact performance". So if you stick a
>> qualifier in front of the word it can mean anything you like.. He could
>> have just said "improves performance". Many of his impacts actually have no
>> meaning at all in context, and many are hopelessly ambiguous, which is not
>> welcome in a technical article by a respected software boffin.
>>
>> I tried to email Toub last year to politely ask him to use accurate
>> expressions in his technical articles. I suggested he use "degrade" or
>> "improve", or something equally expressive in place of all the impacts, but
>> unfortunately anonymous email to him bounces. I left a similar comment
>> after one of his posts, but it was never published.
>>
>> If anyone knows Stephen Toub, or knows how to contact him, please forward
>> this message to him.
>>
>> We have to do something to prevent the devolution of the English language.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> *Greg Keogh*
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Re: VS2022 recent list stall

[mike smith]

Is it the old scroll lock bug?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/259398/visual-studio-find-results-in-no-files-were-found-to-look-in-find-stopped-pr

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 11:53 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> Has anyone else got a problem with the *Open recent* list in the latest
> VS2022? Type some search text and it just stalls busy with empty results.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> I've also noticed that the *Replace in Files* feature over external
> folders has the same bug I reported several weeks ago. It will tell you "x
> occurrences(s) replaced" but no files are touched. I reported this back
> then, but a support person noticed a duplicate posted after me, so I got
> marked as a duplicate (but I was first!!). I would have thought that this
> was a really serious issue, but it seems to have gone quiet. Doesn't anyone
> else use VS for global changes? It's a powerful feature.
>
> *Greg*
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Re: Blazor deploy error

[mike smith]

Unhappy memories of "redo from start"

On Wed, 6 July 2022, 12:15 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> After hours of ruling out a mistake on my part, or some change in the
> compile and hosting options, the only thing left is the tooling. Adjusting
> my searches slightly and haphazardly, I finally stumbled upon this post
>  from a few weeks ago.
>
> Some are blaming spaces in paths, maybe, but I'm using SDK 6.0.301 which
> people are blaming for introducing this problem. There are some angry
> comments.
>
> I downloaded and installed SDK 6.0.5 with 6.0.300, then ran the command dotnet
> new globaljson --force --sdk-version 6.0.300 which creates a
> global.json file as suggested. Clean project, rebuild, now it deploys.
>
> The hours of suffering I wasted on this is apparently caused by some bug
> in the donet command, which someone says will be fixed 6.0.2.
>
> I'm shitting bricks and spitting chips, because here we are in 2022 and we
> get error messages like *An error has occured* with not the slightest
> clue anywhere about what has gone wrong. In the early 1980s we used to get
> mainframe messages like "JDE833 Program aborted", but even then I could
> look up the error in a manual and do something useful. Is this progress?!
>
> *Greg K*
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Re: It's that time of year - F#

[mike smith]

Do languages need constant evolution to be seen as successful?

As a recent post said, look at c++

Mike

On Wed, 29 June 2022, 11:06 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, 
wrote:

> In fact, the messaging changed fairly abruptly.
>
>
>
> Compare Kathleen’s article in Nov 2018:
> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/vbteam/visual-basic-in-net-core-3-0/
>
>
>
> With the one 15 months later:
> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/vbteam/visual-basic-support-planned-for-net-5-0/
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg:
> https://about.me/greg.low
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Keogh 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:21 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* David Burstin ; David Kean <
> david.k...@microsoft.com>; Dr Greg Low 
> *Subject:* Re: It's that time of year - F#
>
>
>
> Mind you, there have been many interesting languages over the years. And
> their fate has not always seemed logical.
>
>
>
> I think a year ago I said something like ... I was excited about F# when
> it first came out, but never got to write any production software using it.
> Whenever I sat down to write something serious I got bogged down in choices
> and syntax details and "bridging" over to other C# libraries to do the
> heavy lifting. There were lots of other irritations like long searches for
> good samples, less tooling, less (and bewildering) documentation, smaller
> community, lack of T4 templates, etc. If I were writing lots of algorithmic
> code then F# would be a superior choice and all the "bridging" would be
> pushed to the edges, but lots of typical LOB coding is best done in C#.
>
>
>
> C# has evolved so far now that it must be the best hybrid language in
> popular use by a long shot, and its functional features are deflating F#'s
> functional fame. The downside is that C# is accumulating so many features
> that I can't remember them all, so I'm thankful when Visual Studio light
> bulbs appear and remind me to replace my force-of-habit clumsy code. I hope
> they ease off on new C# features in the future, I don't want it to turn
> into C++ 20/23 or PL/I  (the language
> that was going to solve every problem in the world).
>
>
>
> Cheers, *Greg K*
>
>
>
> P.S. What happened to VB.NET? No sarcasm, it just seems to have dropped
> out of articles and announcements.
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Re: Xamarin development environment

[mike smith]

Not that the Mac is too old, but that it refuses to install Big Sur?  I've
been hitting a lot of apps that require a later version of macos, been
looking at installing big Sur as a VM on Parallels.  Anyone tried?

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022, 13:55 Greg Keogh,  wrote:

> Folks, for the last 4-5 years I've been developing Xamarin Forms apps in
> VS2019 on my iMac. However, the experience is dreadful due to the overall
> alien environment of macOS which at least halves my productivity. The
> primary reason for using the Mac is to make iOS coding and deployment
> easier.
>
> *Ironically, my iMac is now too old to support Xcode 13+ and I am unable
> to use iOS projects until I buy a Mac Mini, which is off the table for many
> months at least.*
>
> Is anyone doing Xamarin Forms development in Visual Studio 2022 for
> Windows and targeting Android and iOS? What is the experience like? How do
> you cross the Windows-macOS bridge to use XCode libraries and sign for
> deploy?
>
> *Greg Keogh*
>

Re: Regex and Span

[mike smith]

Was it maybe a translate from fortran?  Ijk has that sort of sound

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022, 20:48 Greg Keogh,  wrote:

> Sorry not helpful for your situation exactly, but I don’t know about regex
>> being easier to read than an old C style method.
>>
>
> Ah, a religious coding war.
>
> The C++ raw parsing code that was transliterated into C# looks like
> classic C from the late 1970s (it was actually written in Borland C++ in
> the early 90s), and it really reminds me of the S/360 assembler I wrote in
> the mid 1980s. The only difference between early C and the assembler is the
> indentation.
>
> The C-style parsing code is about 50 lines of code with ijk ints and
> indexing. The Regex equivalent is 5 short lines (but 10x slower).
>
> Do you want the red pill or the blue pill?
>
> *Greg*
>
>>

Re: [OT] log4j Internet Doom

[mike smith]

Two red rated ones.
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-43007/Microsoft-.net-Core.html

On Wed, 22 Dec 2021, 19:33 Greg Keogh,  wrote:

> Word has spread far over the last week. I've had a few queries about
> vulnerabilities in software I've participated in, from semi-IT people in
> large companies. One was asking for some sort of audit and evidence and
> sounded a bit panicky. I've explained that the .NET world is beyond the
> light horizon distant from the Java world. I don't think they know the
> difference between the major software development platforms (and their
> cultures).
>
> Can anyone remember any "significant" vulnerabilities due to .NET in the
> last 20 years. I'll run a search after dinner!
>
> *Greg*
>

Re: [OT] log4j Internet Doom

[mike smith]

The fix for it is fairly trivial, the issue is getting the fix into all the
IOTs and routers etc that aren't updated much.  And there's a lot of kit
out there that manufacturers aren't doing security updates for anymore.
 That internet TV from 2015 that no longer talks to the manufacturer, but
still does streaming and electronic program dl?

Mike

On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, 17:30 Greg Keogh,  wrote:

> It's almost Friday ...
>
> Many of you might have read the blazing headlines everywhere that the
> whole Internet is about to crash because of a security vulnerability in
> log4j. I haven't written Java since early 2001, so I went looking for tech
> details.
>
> It turns out someone wrote an appender (in our log4net terms) that parsed
> a Uri out of a special bit of syntax, then blindly loaded and ran what was
> at the Uri. I mean, what could possibly go wrong? I think that this guilty
> JNDI appender is available by default, that is, it's in the JAR or
> something like that (I can't get further fine details on that).
>
> So it's a bit like *Aircrash Investigations* where it takes multiple
> things to go wrong and make a bigger wrong.
>
> Who could have imagined that a logging library would bring the Internet
> down?!
>
> *Greg*
>

Re: Xamarin Forms xcode and Mac

[mike smith]

I'm also wondering if you can run big Sur as a guest os on a older
Parallels/Macos  host system.  I'll give that a try too.

Mike

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 08:05 mike smith  wrote:

> How about running Big Sur on a VMWARE (or similar) system?   There's some
> Hackintosh links around as well, for running it directly on non apple
> hardware.  I'm getting tired of the Apple ecosystem refusing to allow
> updates, and apps refusing to upgrade unless you have the latest sparkling
> new Apples.
>
>
> https://shaadlife.com/macos-big-sur-on-vmware/?amp
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 05:25 Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> After more research about the dependencies around the Xamarin.iOS
>> ecosystem I am pretty sure that I have hit a wall of dominos 5-deep. It
>> goes like this:
>>
>> VS2019 Community for Mac 8.10.11 (8)
>> comes with --> Xamarin.iOS 15.0.0.6
>> needs --> Xcode 13
>> needs --> macOS Big Sur 11.3
>> needs --> *(some iMac)*
>>
>> My iMac is a 27-inch, Late 2013, 3.2GHz i5 running Catalina 10.15.7 and I
>> am not being offered or allowed any more OS updates. I've asked a Genius
>> friend to confirm this. If true, then I actually have hit the wall and will
>> need a new Mac.
>>
>> If I could downgrade to Xamarin.iOS 14.14 then everything would be back
>> in-range again, but apparently that would require downgrading VS2019 as
>> well and it gets really messy.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>>>

Re: Xamarin Forms xcode and Mac

[mike smith]

How about running Big Sur on a VMWARE (or similar) system?   There's some
Hackintosh links around as well, for running it directly on non apple
hardware.  I'm getting tired of the Apple ecosystem refusing to allow
updates, and apps refusing to upgrade unless you have the latest sparkling
new Apples.


https://shaadlife.com/macos-big-sur-on-vmware/?amp


Mike

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 05:25 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> After more research about the dependencies around the Xamarin.iOS
> ecosystem I am pretty sure that I have hit a wall of dominos 5-deep. It
> goes like this:
>
> VS2019 Community for Mac 8.10.11 (8)
> comes with --> Xamarin.iOS 15.0.0.6
> needs --> Xcode 13
> needs --> macOS Big Sur 11.3
> needs --> *(some iMac)*
>
> My iMac is a 27-inch, Late 2013, 3.2GHz i5 running Catalina 10.15.7 and I
> am not being offered or allowed any more OS updates. I've asked a Genius
> friend to confirm this. If true, then I actually have hit the wall and will
> need a new Mac.
>
> If I could downgrade to Xamarin.iOS 14.14 then everything would be back
> in-range again, but apparently that would require downgrading VS2019 as
> well and it gets really messy.
>
> *Greg K*
>
>>

Re: Core 3.1 500 Internal Error

[mike smith]

What about a folder permission from a parent that's inherited?

Mike

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 15:15 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Permissions on the published folder? I suspect that would be one way to
>> get an instant 500.
>>
>
> Procmon shows no activity in the folders where my app is stored during a
> 500 response. IIS is *instantly* giving the 500, so I still suspect some
> huge global environment problem ... but what?! -- *Greg*
>
>>

Re: Android App Center?

[mike smith]

I've not done this, but my thoughts went in the direction of running your
apps on development certificates.   Something like

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/xamarin/ios/get-started/installation/device-provisioning/manual-provisioning?tabs=macos

That's for macos, but maybe iOS too

Mike

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 12:51 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> It's rough, but it's a whole lot worse if it was happening with the iOS
>> store.  No sideloading allowed there at all, you'd need to root the
>> phones.
>>
>
> Coincidentally, the app in question is on my ToDo list to be compiled and
> distributed for company Apple phones as well. It's a pretty vanilla Xamarin
> Forms app, so getting the Apple stub project working won't be too painful,
> but how do you distribute a private company app while bypassing the Apple
> store? There must be a jillion companies with the same need, so what do
> they do? Is there a kind of "private store"?
>
> *GK*
>
>>

Re: Android App Center?

[mike smith]

It's rough, but it's a whole lot worse if it was happening with the iOS
store.  No sideloading allowed there at all, you'd need to root the
phones.

How about getting a previous copy of the Center app from a mirror site?

Mike

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 12:34 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> I found this
>> https://github.com/microsoft/appcenter/issues/2174
>>
>
> Our company sent a support mail to MS about this and they nonchalantly
> explained, that
> Due to Google Play policies, the Visual Studio App Center app is no longer
> available in the Google Play store and there are no current plans to bring
> the app back to the Google Play store.
> What?! Now I have to invent a different way of distributing APK updates
> for side-loading into the 20 company phones? Yes, apparently the
> alternative is for the phone users to go to the App Center website and
> sign-in (with which accounts?) and download the APK from there, if that's
> the flow. This will change staff and business procedures.
>
> *Greg*
>
>  Note
>
> Visual Studio App Center is no longer available in the Google Play store.
> Unfortunately, Google Play store considers the in-app update code as
> malicious behavior even if it isn’t used at runtime. There are no current
> plans to bring the app back to the Google Play store due to their policies.
> The same set of functionality is still available via the App Center install
> portal.
>
>>

Re: Android App Center?

[mike smith]

I found this

https://github.com/microsoft/appcenter/issues/2174

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 11:50 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Two of us just opened the Android App Center app to select the
> latest release of our Xamarin app and we get "Error loading releases". Some
> web searches suggest that an update to the app is required. I uninstalled
> the app and looked for a fresh one in the Google Play Store, but there is
> no recognisable replacement.
>
> All I can see is an app called App Center Downloader from a company called
> BoxedCircle. This is NOT the app that I was previously using, but I tried
> it anyway. It asked for an API key generated from the .ms website and it
> opens and I sign-in with my Microsoft account and I see our apps, but it's
> crippled. There is no app history or details, just a list of buttons to
> download the apk files for different versions. It even has banner ads for
> casinos and pay TV down the bottom.
>
> What the hell is that crap app and where is the *real* Android App Center
> app? I can't find it anywhere. What's going on?
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] Windows 365 - The Verge

[mike smith]

There seem to be a lot of vulnerabilities that tie in with Remote Desktop,
though.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 11:04 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> TGIF -- A colleague forwarded this link to me: Microsoft puts PCs in the
> cloud with Windows 365 - The Verge
> 
>
>
> This is coincidentally what I commented on last week. I hadn't heard of
> this initiative before, but it looks like an initial step towards my dream
> of offloading most of the hardware I own and manage into hosting.
>
>
> It's offered to businesses first. I read that your client-side connection
> is via any modern web browser and my heart sank (how can a dumb damn web
> browser emulate a useful Windows desktop experience?), but then it says a
> Remote Desktop connection can be used as well, thank heavens.
>
>
> I'd love to try it, but the first worries that pop out of my head are
> *speed*, *privacy* and *cost*. If the cost can compete with buying and
> owning a developer's metal box + power + cables + maintenance time + etc,
> then it could be attractive, especially in offices and schools. Has anyone
> seen Windows 365 or know more about it?
>
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: An interesting change of direction by MS

[mike smith]

Then you get one service going down that takes multiple important services
with it. Off the top of my head recently

https://www.zdnet.com/article/akamai-apologises-after-outage-left-australias-major-banks-and-airline-systems-offline/

https://www.zdnet.com/article/sabre-systems-it-outage-cripples-airline-operations-globally/


On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 20:53 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> A part of me feels sad to see things all going to the cloud. Perhaps one
> day we won’t even be able to do anything meaningful “locally” on our device
> if there is no Internet access. Kind of like how we now need electricity
> and Internet access for our phones at home whereas before with land lines
> we didn’t need either.
>
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 at 20:02, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> We have a lot of customers already there with AVD - which is an
>> interesting value prop with paying for the resources you use. One of the
>> surprisingly few clear use cases for cloud elasticity.
>>
>> Apparently Windows 11 runs on the Raspberry PI too - interesting $ entry
>> point for an AVD client if it runs okay.
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 at 19:13, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably the same will be said about Windows in general down the road.
>>> We’ll probably just have our whole OS somewhere in the cloud and we’ll just
>>> “remote” to it from our laptops.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:18, David Connors  wrote:
>>>
>>>> SQL Server of Linux has been out for a while and I think it was shortly
>>>> after it was released that it was shown to outperform on Linux compared to
>>>> Windows Server on the same hardware.
>>>>
>>>> When you're selling cloud like we the $ story for Windows Server isn't
>>>> great these days ... on a larger virtual machine the Windows Server license
>>>> is a BIG chunk.
>>>>
>>>> With the earnest move to PaaS and SaaS and things like AAD instead of
>>>> AD, I'm not sure what the value prop of Windows Server is any more - apart
>>>> from running legacy software.
>>>>
>>>> David Connors
>>>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>>>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>>>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:02, mike smith  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.sqlservercentral.com/?na=v=43198-5c996ba084cea=1013
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they ceding the server market to Linux?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>

An interesting change of direction by MS

[mike smith]

https://www.sqlservercentral.com/?na=v=43198-5c996ba084cea=1013

Are they ceding the server market to Linux?

Mike

Re: [OT] Reliable external storage drive

[mike smith]

I'm curious, what are they dying of?  Wearing out, or something else?

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 10:11 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Another of my recently purchased external SSD drives has just died on me.
> Can anyone here recommend one they have and are happy with? Ideally I would
> like it to last a few years at the very least. The last few I have bought
> haven't gone longer than 6 months. I don't write to it much, mainly for
> backups of photos and videos every few months.
>
> --Tom
>

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[mike smith]

And the same recruiters with those duplicate ads expect exclusivity from
you.

Mike

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 21:19 Tony Wright  wrote:

> I do start with the job boards. Seek and Linked in first. Most companies
> these days put their own ad up and then recruiters come along and put the
> same ad up with their name on it. Sometimes you see 4 or 5 ads for the same
> job. Quite annoying. And the majority of recruiter jobs otherwise probably
> don't exist. But occasionally you find a recruiter that does find you real
> work and they're the ones you give your time to if you can't find work
> yourself. Some of them are real slime balls though.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:40 pm Tom P,  wrote:
>
>> If not recruiters, where do you start looking for work? Personally I’ve
>> found it very difficult to find work but obviously many factors are
>> involved.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 21:25, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea I get that. That's why I said it depends who's at the other end. Tbh
>>> I'm pretty sick of recruiters. They are a dime a dozen. I think at one
>>> stage about 20% of my linked list was recruiters. My thinking was that I
>>> might need them one day. But I have culled them significantly, down to a
>>> few remaining agents that I believe add value. I don't often start with
>>> recruiters when I'm looking for work, they take too much of a cut for
>>> adding very little value.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 9:17 pm DotNet Dude,  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Tony,

 Tom’s original question was about the recruiter asking for this info
 which is quite different from the bank you’re working for. Financial
 institutions do ask for the things you mention but I’d be suspicious and
 hesitant to pass info like that to a silly old recruiter.

 I’ve never been comfortable with systems like WorkPro, particularly
 with credit files, which they let you just download as a PDF so the
 recruiter can easily forward. Not cool at all.

 The whole recruitment model and the systems they use really needs a
 revamp to protect user privacy and security. I’m not convinced they are
 secure.


 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 20:33, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Really? At the bank I have had sign over a right for them to receive
> every contact note for any shares I buy or sell. I also have to submit
> requests to buy or sell shares. That's an Apra requirement. I'm also not
> allowed to have directorships in more than one company, and it has to be 
> an
> approved directorship. So it really does depend on who it is and what it
> means to you. A credit check to ensure that you aren't susceptible to
> bribery might be reasonable too depending on who it is. If it's some 
> random
> numpty, sure, tell them to get stuffed, but some places really do need
> extra checks on their staff.
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 8:25 pm David Connors,  wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'd decline given the circumstances you've described. It
>> would be like asking for this information from an employee and
>> inappropriate if not probably illegal in the context of an FTE.
>>
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:20, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes as an individual contractor so I did find it very odd. I’ve
>>> asked for a reason so let’s see what they come back with.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 19:06, David Connors 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you're doing this as an individual contractor on a work for hire
 / hourly basis then this is pretty strange.

 Even as a company, we almost always decline disclosure of financial
 information on the basis that we're privately held and send whoever is
 asking a letter of solvency from our tax accountants instead (they just
 want to know we're not going to go bust - but that's a very strange
 consideration if you're an individual contractor).

 David Connors
 da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
 Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
 LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors



 On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:32, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment
> agent has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this 
> normal?
> I’ve only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not 
> done
> AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains
> sensitive information such as 

Re: Azure App Logging missing

[mike smith]

Does it have a debug /release setting?  All sorts of things used to be NOP
for release builds.

On Thu, May 20, 2021, 12:32 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Not done this myself, but have you configured tracing to write to App
>> Insights like
>> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/azure-monitor/app/asp-net-trace-logs#install-logging-on-your-app
>> ?
>>
>
> I've been under the impression that Insights is optional and overkill when
> I just want plain text logging output to blob storage. Despite all my
> reading, I can't figure out if Insight is compulsory or not in what
> circumstances. I don't want to activate some extra configurable plumbing if
> I don't have to. Do I have to?
>
> Most articles say that simply doing a Trace.WriteLine will generate
> output, without the need for anything else, but not for me.
>
> *Greg*
>

Re: [OT] UHF Check

[mike smith]

I do get messages when they get too big, for example when we've been
replying and not trimming the ends of the email.  ;)

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 09:30 David Connors  wrote:

> Couple of messages were clogged in the moderation queue because they're
> too big apparently.
>
> Do you guys get a notification when your messages are held? I don't pay
> too much attention to the notifications as 99.999% are because of
> probably spam so I just let them time out.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 14:02, Dan Cash  wrote:
>
>> Check.
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 13:19, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>
>>> My last 3 posts to this group bounced, and I notified David at Codify,
>>> but received no reply. Is the group active? -- *Greg Keogh*
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan Cash
>> -m. 0411 468 779
>> -e. dan.c...@gmail.com
>>
>> F.A.B. Information Systems Pty Ltd   ABN 16 084 146 261
>>
>>

Re: Unable to locate the .NET SDK

[mike smith]

Which encourages me to run it all on a VM, and use snapshots liberally so I
can revert.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 13:53 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Have a check of your path variable?  Some install/updates are fairly brain
>> dead when they modify it, periodically I copy it out to a text editor and
>> clean up removed apps, check for valid paths etc
>>
>
> Howdy, I saw some web posts around that subject, but my PATH looked
> sensible.
>
> I noticed the dotnet --info showed all my runtimes were in Program Files
> (X86) whereas they were in the 64-bit one on my other machines. This weird
> difference had me worried and I didn't know how to alter it. So by 1pm I
> had done no work and since the weekend was upon me I ran lots of backups
> and screenshots and formatted C: and reinstalled the latest Win10 image
> 20H2.
>
> This has fixed my Core project problem and the dotnet --info output
> matches my other machines.
>
> I don't feel so bad about the reinstall, as a lot of crap accumulates over
> 3 years or so with countless updates and new major software releases. It
> took about 8 full man-hours to get everything back to a familiar shape, but
> I notice my program list is much smaller and lots of strange folders and
> settings have vanished, so I feel my PC is much "cleaner" now. I suppose
> it's worth doing this every couple of years if you have the stamina for it.
> Most of my time was wasted configuring IIS, putting credentials back
> everywhere, creating my favourite shortcuts and Start Menu arrangement.
>
> I have one utterly weird and unexpected problem ... the default font in
> notepad, VS2019 output window, Edge text display, and many other places has
> reverted to some italic font. So I've got this stupid italic output all
> over the place and I can't find where it's coming from or how to get the
> normal Segoe (I think?) back again.
>
> Cheers,
> *Greg K*
>
> P.S. I forgot to mention Friday week ago that it was the 25 anniversary of
> the release of JavaScript.
>

Re: Unable to locate the .NET SDK

[mike smith]

Have a check of your path variable?  Some install/updates are fairly brain
dead when they modify it, periodically I copy it out to a text editor and
clean up removed apps, check for valid paths etc

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 07:22 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I sat down this morning and found that every .NET Core project
> cannot be opened in VS2019 due to "Unable to locate the .NET SDK". I've
> been searching and futzing for over an hour without hope.
>
> dotnet -info shows *no SDKs* installed and a sensible list of runtimes. I
> was one level behind in VS2019 and updated but it did nothing. I
> installed Core 5 and it just did a repair. I installed Core 3.1 and nothing
> changed.
>
> I'm stuffed and can't do any work. Has anyone seen this?
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] Reading utf-8 text file in C/C++

[mike smith]

It's number of characters, not bytes, and it includes the termination - I'm
inclined to declare like this:

wchar_t buff[128]={0};

So if it fails, you have zeros in it, instead of what was left in the stack
...


On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, 11:27 Greg Keogh  wrote:

>
> Did you look at the iconv API?
>>
>
> I didn't know about that, but I was hoping to avoid things like it. After
> another hour of stuffing around and reading the fine print of the old C
> library functions
> 
> I found this works:
>
> FILE* file;
> _wfopen_s(, L"K:\\temp\\temp-utf8.txt", L"r, ccs=UTF-8")
> wchar_t buff[128];
> fgetws(buff, 128, file)
> wprintf_s(buff);
>
> No wonder I missed that subtle parameter change. The file's BOM is
> silently consumed and I just get back wide strings terminated by \n\0.
> Here's a copy of a watch value of a line:
>
> 0x00d3fadc L"Greek = ΑΒΓΔ\n"
>
> *Greg K*
>
> P.S. I'm still not sure that the 128 length in the code is correct. Is it
> 128 wide or 256 bytes? (what a mess)
>
> P.P.S. I can't figure out how to display Unicode characters on the DOS
> console. I tried chcp 65001 and changing to different TT fonts, but nothing
> works.
>

Re: [OT] Reading utf-8 text file in C/C++

[mike smith]

Did you look at the iconv API?

Mike

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 18:34 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Some of you may remember learning C, and somewhere around page 4 of your
> textbook you learn how to use *fopen*, *fgets *and *fclose *to loop and
> read the string lines out of a file. But times have changed...
>
> Does anyone know how to do the same thing for a utf-8 file that may or may
> not have a BOM?
>
> I've been reading, searching and experimenting for a solid hour, and I
> simply cannot figure out how to do that. Some people have samples that read
> every byte and get "lines" and manually convert them between different
> encodings, but I can't seriously believe that complexity is necessary in
> the 21st century. In .NET we just go string s = file.ReadLine() and it
> just works no matter what type of file encoding is being read. That makes
> us lucky and lazy, so I'm wondering if there is anything as convenient in
> the standard C/C++ libraries. I can't find anything so far, and I'm not
> optimistic.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: Dotfuscating

[mike smith]

It's not really answering your question, but what about this;

https://www.infoworld.com/article/3131551/microsofts-corert-turns-c-into-cross-platform-c.html

Mike

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 07:37 Greg Low  wrote:

> My guess is that for $15700 upfront payment, you’d get a pretty reasonable
> obfuscator written for you at present.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
> 
>  |http://greglow.me
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 October 2020 7:54 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: Dotfuscating
>
>
>
> Folk, FYI - I finally got a quote from the people who make Dotfuscator
> Pro, after 3 days of inefficient emails back-and-forth between different
> people. I suggested that they put a quote generator on their website to
> save time.
>
>
>
> A "starter" licence for 2 people and 2 apps on 1 build machine is ...
> (wait for it) ... AU$5700 / year. For AU$15700 upfront payment you get a
> full 3 year licence discount.
>
>
>
> I actually laughed aloud when I read the quote. And this is the "starter"
> level. I replied and said "Are you kidding? We've purchased huge
> cross-platform suites of components and libraries that are much less than
> that". And finally, in indignation I said "For that much money I could
> write my own MSBuild Task to analyse the call graph and write
> obfuscated IL". I doubt if it will come to that though, as our first
> release is still months away and I should be able to find an alternative by
> then (fingers crossed!).
>
>
>
> I accept that the Pro version has lots of fancy features that are of no
> interest to us (we just want IL scrambling), but this is the most expensive
> product I've ever seen that just has one primary purpose.
>
>
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: Dotfuscating

[mike smith]

If there's good obfuscation routines, it occurs to me there's
deobfuscators, aka pretty printers.  No, I've not tried it, just a
thought.  Obviously variable and function names don't get fixed.

Mike

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 08:59 Preet Sangha  wrote:

> I think you can use the command line for this. I don't use it but a quick
> google gave me :
> https://www.preemptive.com/dotfuscator/pro/userguide/en/interfaces_command_line.html
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 11:24, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Folks, for the first time I have to obfuscate some assemblies that
>> contain proprietary algorithms. I'm playing with the built-in Community
>> edition. I'm disappointed to find that it's not integrated into Visual
>> Studio in any way I can find, I have to use a separate app to create an XML
>> file for each 'fuscate. Then how do I add that into my local build
>> pipeline, post build commands or PS scripts? And my libraries are
>> multi-platform targeted, so I have to process them all? Then I want to
>> build NuGet packages, and so on. My first impression is that adding
>> dotfuscator is like a spanner thrown into my nice simple local build and
>> deploy process.
>>
>> Before I start reinventing wheels everywhere I thought I'd ask in here
>> first if anyone has been down this road and has some suggestions.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>

Re: [OT] Employer wants photo of passport

[mike smith]

Not like a passport can actually be used for anything other than id at the
moment, sadly. :(   You could use one of the third party authentication
companies like Certsy, but then that means trusting them.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 08:12 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Worse case scenario you ask them if it’s ok you black out the sensitive
> info on the passport before sending like the DOB and passport number. I
> assume they just want to see your name and photo on an Aussie passport.
>
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 08:28,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The better ones have started to use voice prints. If they call you, they
>> can then have additional verification that it’s you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, if they call me, and then want to verify details, that’s
>> always “no”. Large percentage of the time, they just want to sell you
>> something associated with your account, etc. anyway. Their loss.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>> 
>>  |http://greglow.me
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *David Apelt
>> *Sent:* Friday, 21 August 2020 7:56 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Employer wants photo of passport
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it for a cyber security role? If yes, then it's a test.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Aug. 2020, 7:44 am Tony Wright,  wrote:
>>
>> It's a tough one. I had an argument with a loan company who called me and
>> asked me to verify with them so they could access my account details. I
>> said no way, because they called me. They argued with me, patronised me,
>> and wore me down. I said the previous time they called me they let me call
>> them back through switch, but he said that's up to the discretion of the
>> rep. I was so pissed off. I still am. That reminds me to write a complaint.
>> Sorry, off topic on the OT.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, 9:10 pm Tom P,  wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve been verbally offered a contracting role by a recruiter and the
>> employer has requested a photo of my passport via email. I do not feel
>> comfortable sending this for a few reasons, email is not secure, who knows
>> what they will do with the photo like forwarding it, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you all handle this as I’m sure you’ve been in similar situations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Level 5, 143 Coronation Drive, Milton QLD 4064
>> 
>> | PO Box 1464, Milton QLD 4064
>>
>> www.transmax.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This e-mail and attachments may contain confidential or privileged
>> information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the
>> sender immediately by e-mail and then delete this message and attachments.
>> In this instance, any distribution, copying, publication, or use of this
>> information for any purpose is prohibited.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] 1970s computer articles

[mike smith]

We should have stuck with Pascal

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020, 15:20 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> I couldn't face any more code today, so I scanned the covers and
> "interesting" article pages of my 1970s issues of Scientific American
> magazine. This page
> 
> has thumbnails of the pages which anyone in a lockdown panic mind find
> soothing.
>
> May 1975 Microcomputers - So those things weren't just a passing fad!
> May 1975 Randomness
> Apr 1977 Computer Algorithms - By Donald Knuth, his first volume of TAOCP
> must have been out by then.
> Aug 1977 A new kind of cipher - Martin Gardner reveals RSA to the world
> with a $100 challenge.
> Aug 1979 Public Key Cryptography - Two years later the algorithm is
> analysed.
> Dec 1979 Programming Languages - It's quaint reading now, and Pascal is
> the way of the future.
>
> There's some non-IT stuff as well into the 1980s:
>
> Original articles on the game of Life.
> The geometry of Chopin's music.
> Carl Sagan on SETI.
> Fractal music.
> Gödel, Escher and Bach book announcement.
> Imaginary numbers.
> Rubik's cube.
> Galois and the 5th degree equation.
>
> *Greg Keogh*
>

Re: ASP.NET Razor Pages

[mike smith]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 09:38 Paul Jackson 
wrote:

> Razor is so 2019.
>
I'm missing 2019

> They’ve come out with Blazor
>  now
>
> Not sure how widely used it is, but it does reduce the number of files to
> create.
>
>
>
Do you actually need to create them, or are they automatically generated?
Not played with it, but it might be something to do in the WFH environment


*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> *On Behalf Of *David Apelt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 March 2020 9:46 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* ASP.NET Razor Pages
>
>
>
> Team,
>
>
>
> Is anyone using ASP.NET Razor Pages in a production system?
>
>
>
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/razor-pages/?view=aspnetcore-3.1=visual-studio
>
>
>
> There is any number of articles comparing them to MVC (or even WebForms)
> but what are they like when used in anger?
>
>
>
> It strikes me that they provide value but are not sufficiently
> differentiated enough from MVC to justify the futzing around with yet
> another framework.
>
>
>
> Also, I am concerned that they have not gathered enough momentum and will
> be forever considered second class to that of MVC and not benefit from deep
> community support.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dave A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Level 5, 143 Coronation Drive, Milton QLD 4064 | PO Box 1464, Milton QLD
> 4064
>
> www.transmax.com.au
>
>
> This e-mail and attachments may contain confidential or privileged
> information. If you are not the intended recipient,please notify the sender
> immediately by e-mail and then delete this message and attachments.  In
> this instance, any distribution,copying, publication, or use of this
> information for any purpose is prohibited.
>

Re: [OT] C++ directions

[mike smith]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 17:11 Greg Keogh  wrote:

>
> Still using c++ here...
>>
>
> What sort of applications? Do they pre-date .NET? -- *GK*
>

Yeah, ported from Borland.   So, predated a lot

Re: [OT] C++ directions

[mike smith]

Still using c++ here... But templates get freaking annoying.   If it's a
new project, I'm unlikely to pick c++.  Even for low level microcontroller
apps, there's better choices.  Eg python.

Mike

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 11:40 David Richards 
wrote:

> I remember when I first started using c++ (late 80s, early 90s, somewhere
> around there) it seemed really cool. Especially after C.  Now, I can't
> imagine ever using it again. To hear how it's changed kind of annoys me for
> nostalgic reasons but ultimately will never have an effect on my daily life.
> If I wanted to go lower than C#, I'd use C. The last time I used C was at
> least 10+ years ago programming microcontrollers for a robot. It's fun in a
> "hardcore mode" kind of way but higher level languages are more satisfying
> in terms of what you can achieve in a reasonable time.
>
> David Richards
>
>
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 11:18, Greg Harris  wrote:
>
>> If I was going to use C++
>> I would not!
>>
>> I would use C# and use C for the small parts that had to be fast.
>>
>> I have not touched C for 25 years, not going to change
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Greg Harris
>> harris.gre...@gmail.com
>> phone: 0407 942 982
>> Baulkham Hills
>> NSW 2153
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:20 AM Grant Maw  wrote:
>>
>>> I would need a very good reason to choose C++ to write a new project
>>> today, a reason like needing to be close to the metal or needing very
>>> fine-grained control over performance, memory usage, and other resources.
>>> So things like writing a new OS, device drivers, high end computer games
>>> and other graphics-intensive scenarios possibly. But for me that is never,
>>> all my work is LOB stuff.
>>>
>>> .Net core more than satisfies all my current (and foreseeable)
>>> requirements, and takes care of all the internal plumbing for me. I can't
>>> imagine a scenario where I would need something other than c# or f# for the
>>> sort of work I do.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 15:28, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>>>
 Folks, It's quiet in here because I suppose you're all in lockdown
 guarding your mountains of bog-roll. I've got a TGIF contribution...

 A colleague was discussing how to write the most transportable C++ code
 possible and sent links to C++ 17 features
 
 and C++ 20 upcoming.  These
 articles quite shocked and angered me. I wrote C++ for 10 years until about
 2003 (when .NET mercifully replaced it my LOB style work). I quite enjoyed
 C++ at the time, but after looking at those articles I'm quite angry that
 C++ has become one of the worst victims of feature-creep I have ever seen.
 It's like the C++ steering committee are suffering from an inferiority
 complex and have fought back by adding every feature of every other modern
 language into it. It's an insane jumble of the old low-level C-like
 language with bits of LINQ, C#, Rust and Haskell. The syntax of the std::
 libraries is so cryptic it looks like a maths puzzle.

 Just what category of language has C++ become? What is it supposed to
 be best at? Why would I pick C++ to write a LOB app? What does Bjarne think
 about all this?

 There must be a huge number of developers globally using C++, but what
 are they doing with it that requires such a bloated and complex language? I
 haven't met a C++ developer in the last 15 years that can answer that
 question.

 *Greg K*

>>>

Change passwords, maybe?

[mike smith]

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/config-flub-by-microsoft-exposed-millions-of-customer-details-536911

Re: OT: Robo Vacs

[mike smith]

The cheap ones don't have a very good coverage, I keep meaning to hack the
code with something better

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 21:20 David Connors  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Very off topic but what success has anyone had here with robo vacs?
>
> Our 11 month old German Shepherd is blowing her coat and the place is dog
> hair central hence the question.
>
> I know a few people who have had them but they've died after a few months
> etc. The better ones that can self empty etc seem to be around the $1500
> mark - which gets up there in price as we have two floors and they haven't
> invented one that climbs stairs yet. :)
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>

Re:

[mike smith]

Consider that ultimate of all log files, a .dmp file.   Everything is going
to be in that, and they typically get automatically sent when something
goes wrong.

Mike.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 09:03 Alan Ingleby  wrote:

> I guess the key requirement here is "I'm about to write this string to a
> log file, is there a chance there's a credit card number in here?".  All
> other things considered, this is reasonably good safeguard.  I'd imaging if
> the quick and dirty regex I listed picks anything up, you could do a
> further mod10 to validate against valid credit card numbers etc.
>
> All seems a bit iffy though doesn't it.  If a CC # has gotten its way to a
> log file, you really need to question your developers.
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 23:11, Grant Maw  wrote:
>
>> I thought all credit cards use the Mod10 (Kuhn) algorithm. I seem to
>> remember it being a safeguard against data entry errors back in the day,
>> so this is possibly a hangover from those days.
>>
>> We never validate card numbers.  We pass the card data to the processing
>> gateway and let their APIs handle all that stuff. Less code for us to
>> maintain.
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec. 2019, 3:33 pm Preet Sangha, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Thanks for that. We are an large enterprise platform doing thousands of
>>> transactions via gateways - CC info is normally flowing through our code
>>> except in the most secure of ways - we are PCI compliant. However to be
>>> extra careful I'm trying to remove anything that looks like a known CC
>>> shape from logging. It's to prevent issues in case someone inadvertently
>>> stores CC in fields that they shouldn't. Yes there education but sometimes
>>> mistakes happen.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 16:57,  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Preet,



 I don’t know of any libraries that handle this, but I do have a
 question for you.



 Why are you validating credit card info?



 I ask this because if you are validating card info then you are
 handling/processing card info. Any business handling credit card
 information should have PCI-DSS compliance.



 Personally, I find it is much easier to use external providers (eway,
 paypal et al) to handle the whole payment process, meaning your code never
 needs to touch a credit card number and you never have to worry about
 compliance, *security etc.



 Just a another random thought, YMMV.



 *Security of the card information



 Ed.



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
 Behalf Of *Preet Sangha
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 December 2019 2:41 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet 
 *Subject:*



 Would anyone know of any credit card validation/detection or similar
 libraries that we may be able incorporate into our .net framework code
 (preferably in nuget form) in order to eliminate our own hand coded regexs
  please?



 Regards Preet



>>>
>
> --
> Alan Ingleby
>

Re:

[mike smith]

There's the odd number/arrangement that amex uses to check for as well

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 16:14 Eddie de Bear  wrote:

> Hi Preet,
>
> I always check when somebody mentions credit card processing..
>
> Anyways, off the top of my head I don't know of any component that can
> easily identify credit card info. I suspect your in for a world of pain
> using Regex to identify potential card numbers and then a Luhn check to see
> if it is actually a valid card number.
>
> From my bookmarks:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhn_algorithm
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21249670/implementing-luhn-algorithm-using-c-sharp
>
> Might be helpful..
>
> Ed.
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:33 PM Preet Sangha 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Thanks for that. We are an large enterprise platform doing thousands of
>> transactions via gateways - CC info is normally flowing through our code
>> except in the most secure of ways - we are PCI compliant. However to be
>> extra careful I'm trying to remove anything that looks like a known CC
>> shape from logging. It's to prevent issues in case someone inadvertently
>> stores CC in fields that they shouldn't. Yes there education but sometimes
>> mistakes happen.
>>
>> regards,
>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 16:57,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Preet,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t know of any libraries that handle this, but I do have a question
>>> for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are you validating credit card info?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I ask this because if you are validating card info then you are
>>> handling/processing card info. Any business handling credit card
>>> information should have PCI-DSS compliance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally, I find it is much easier to use external providers (eway,
>>> paypal et al) to handle the whole payment process, meaning your code never
>>> needs to touch a credit card number and you never have to worry about
>>> compliance, *security etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a another random thought, YMMV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Security of the card information
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Preet Sangha
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 December 2019 2:41 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>>> *Subject:*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would anyone know of any credit card validation/detection or similar
>>> libraries that we may be able incorporate into our .net framework code
>>> (preferably in nuget form) in order to eliminate our own hand coded regexs
>>>  please?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards Preet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
> *EDDIE DE BEAR*
> Mob: 0417066315
> Messenger: eddie_deb...@hotmail.com
> Skype: eddiedebear
>

Re: I wonder how much they saved on those job cuts, vs the fines and reputational costs?

[mike smith]

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:44 mike smith  wrote:

>
> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/westpacs-hopeless-monitoring-software-festered-for-a-decade-534293
>

Re: Marshall C++ string to C#

[mike smith]

EG this

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winreg/nf-winreg-regqueryvalueexa?redirectedfrom=MSDN

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:35 mike smith  wrote:

> Or one 'old world' technique some win APIs use
> Pass in a null and the call tells you what size buffer you need, create it
> and pass it in on a second call.
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 11:53 Tony McGee  wrote:
>
>> You could return a BSTR and let the interop marshaling do clean up for
>> you:
>>
>>
>> https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1189085/Passing-strings-between-managed-and-unmanaged-code
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov. 2019, 11:09 Greg Keogh,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> msg is a stack variable, you can't return it iirc. Either create a var
>>>> on the heap, or pass  msg in as a parameter.
>>>>
>>>
>>> D'oh! You're right. I changed the code to the following and it's
>>> working. Notice use of CoTaskMemAlloc, which I think is the least worst
>>> choice of heap allocation functions according to the MSDN docs.
>>>
>>> Notice that I've completely forgotten what the lengths are supposed to
>>> be for string lengths, is it x2 for wchar? is it correct to allocate 200
>>> bytes for 100 wchars? The compiler is giving me an overrun warning. You're
>>> supposed to use sizeof or something like that, but my brain has gone mushy
>>> on all those rules now (which is part of the reason I never want to code
>>> this assembler crap again!).
>>>
>>> Even worse … what about the memory leak in CoTaskMemAlloc? I make the
>>> buffer, copy in the string and return it, but it's now leaked. Should I use
>>> a global static buffer that can be released later? When?
>>>
>>> *GK*
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: Marshall C++ string to C#

[mike smith]

Or one 'old world' technique some win APIs use
Pass in a null and the call tells you what size buffer you need, create it
and pass it in on a second call.


Mike

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 11:53 Tony McGee  wrote:

> You could return a BSTR and let the interop marshaling do clean up for
> you:
>
>
> https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1189085/Passing-strings-between-managed-and-unmanaged-code
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov. 2019, 11:09 Greg Keogh,  wrote:
>
>>
>> msg is a stack variable, you can't return it iirc. Either create a var on
>>> the heap, or pass  msg in as a parameter.
>>>
>>
>> D'oh! You're right. I changed the code to the following and it's working.
>> Notice use of CoTaskMemAlloc, which I think is the least worst choice of
>> heap allocation functions according to the MSDN docs.
>>
>> Notice that I've completely forgotten what the lengths are supposed to be
>> for string lengths, is it x2 for wchar? is it correct to allocate 200 bytes
>> for 100 wchars? The compiler is giving me an overrun warning. You're
>> supposed to use sizeof or something like that, but my brain has gone mushy
>> on all those rules now (which is part of the reason I never want to code
>> this assembler crap again!).
>>
>> Even worse … what about the memory leak in CoTaskMemAlloc? I make the
>> buffer, copy in the string and return it, but it's now leaked. Should I use
>> a global static buffer that can be released later? When?
>>
>> *GK*
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>>

Re: Marshall C++ string to C#

[mike smith]

msg is a stack variable, you can't return it iirc. Either create a var on
the heap, or pass  msg in as a parameter.

Mike

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 08:03 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I have to make a quick demo of how a VS C++ coder can return a
> Unicode string from a function back to a C# caller. Easy I thought... I
> haven't written serious C++ since 2004 and things have changed for the
> worse. The introduction of 'W' wide character support has blown everything
> to the merdehouse. I don't even know which "string" to use, but I guess
> that std:string (or std:wstring actually) is the preferred modern choice.
> Then there are all the type aliases (wchar_t, LPCWSTR, etc). Then I find
> many library functions (like localtime) are deprecated and cause compile
> errors. The whole C++ language and ecosystem is now bigger than a
> cyclotron. Anyway, I've pasted the code snippets here:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Unfortunately all I get back is a garbage string full of \u
> characters. I've tried dozens of combinations of changes everywhere, even
> putting everything back to plain ASCII, but nothing will give me a good
> string back from the function.
>
> Does anyone know for sure how to get a Unicode string back from C++? Web
> searches produce hundreds of contradictory suggestions, all of which don't
> compile, don't work or crash.
>
> Thanks
> *Greg Keogh*
>

Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[mike smith]

Reposted, cos it bounced ;)

Mike

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 13:23 mike smith  wrote:

> Another article
>
>
> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/fines-victorias-it-woes-force-21m-write-down-534151
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 22:44 Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>> This works for building a bridge, when you have “firm foundations” on
>> which to build upon aka what are the immovable requirements and
>> constraints. Many infrastructure projects run into the same problems as IT
>> projects - overruns due to changing requirements, or a lack of due
>> diligence re requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the same time, analysis has its own costs – the cost of employing
>> people to keep examining details, and the opportunity cost of forgone
>> benefits deferred.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I see a lot of in these messages is casting blame onto other people
>> (e.g. PMs in this case). Most PMs work within broader enterprise
>> constraints (like confidence around cost/time/effort, in order to get
>> funding approved). SMEs need to play their part in ensuring that the right
>> level of information goes to PMs, in the broader context of “getting stuff
>> done”
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *g...@greglow.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, 28 October 2019 9:20 AM
>> *To:* 'ozDotNet' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens
>>
>>
>>
>> I think one of the biggest issues is that so many project managers still
>> think you can plan IT projects like you plan building a bridge. The
>> difference with a bridge is that you can specify what’s needed, and it’s
>> unlikely to change before you finish building the bridge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately though, that’s also how the people funding it look at it.
>> They want to know what it will cost before they start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Somehow, we have to get project planning to match reality. At present,
>> when there are variations from the plan, that’s seen as a problem, and seen
>> as unexpected. But the reality is that it’s totally expected. The problem
>> was the idea that bridge-style planning is appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sqldownunder.com%2F=02%7C01%7Csspahelp%40microsoft.com%7C1f0ea4d6b97e4d897f3708d666d1e890%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636809449091516274=SLHeEGAMmWUY5YIwcC4oAPYr%2F9RIZdi4MNASsdzwX2I%3D=0>
>>  |http://greglow.me
>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgreglow.me%2F=02%7C01%7Csspahelp%40microsoft.com%7C1f0ea4d6b97e4d897f3708d666d1e890%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636809449091526278=IU8tnAITCjBxWafi3A9XpO9lF3PIwZJ8ad3t36lnxvs%3D=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 27 October 2019 9:38 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens
>>
>>
>>
>> Depends on how your measure success.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the typical bottom-line, most projects aren’t “successes”. However,
>> lots of organisations have:
>>
>>1. Arbitrary limits on how much contingency can be included – which
>>then doesn’t reflect the true level of uncertainty in the project
>>2. Requirements change
>>3. Vendors, systems integrators etc. go bust, change direction or
>>what-have-you
>>4. Your project competes with everyone else’s for scarce capital, so
>>everyone has an incentive to downplay cost, and upsell benefits
>>5. Technological cost estimates can be done relatively accurately,
>>but large-scale projects include significant organisational change which 
>> is
>>much harder to estimate/cost up-front.
>>
>>
>>
>> By my guess, about 15-20% of large IT projects ($50-100m+) are
>> successful. Maybe 20-30% are real failures. Everything else is in a bit of
>> a grey area where they are failures based on initial cost/time/features
>> criteria, but might have been successful if business cases were allowed to
>> be more realistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdo

Ping

[mike smith]

Anyone else getting server timeouts?

Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[mike smith]

Even alleged followers of Agile don't always do frequent releases



On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 09:43 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Agreed. Also some clients, especially government, such as Fines Victoria
> in this example, still want to follow a waterfall approach and insist on
> it. I know the Fines Vic people would not allow frequent releases and so
> the releases would build up into monsters that would be deployed every 6-9
> months. This approach never goes well and in this case certainly did not.
>
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 09:20,  wrote:
>
>> I think one of the biggest issues is that so many project managers still
>> think you can plan IT projects like you plan building a bridge. The
>> difference with a bridge is that you can specify what’s needed, and it’s
>> unlikely to change before you finish building the bridge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately though, that’s also how the people funding it look at it.
>> They want to know what it will cost before they start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Somehow, we have to get project planning to match reality. At present,
>> when there are variations from the plan, that’s seen as a problem, and seen
>> as unexpected. But the reality is that it’s totally expected. The problem
>> was the idea that bridge-style planning is appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sqldownunder.com%2F=02%7C01%7Csspahelp%40microsoft.com%7C1f0ea4d6b97e4d897f3708d666d1e890%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636809449091516274=SLHeEGAMmWUY5YIwcC4oAPYr%2F9RIZdi4MNASsdzwX2I%3D=0>
>>  |http://greglow.me
>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgreglow.me%2F=02%7C01%7Csspahelp%40microsoft.com%7C1f0ea4d6b97e4d897f3708d666d1e890%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636809449091526278=IU8tnAITCjBxWafi3A9XpO9lF3PIwZJ8ad3t36lnxvs%3D=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 27 October 2019 9:38 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens
>>
>>
>>
>> Depends on how your measure success.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the typical bottom-line, most projects aren’t “successes”. However,
>> lots of organisations have:
>>
>>1. Arbitrary limits on how much contingency can be included – which
>>then doesn’t reflect the true level of uncertainty in the project
>>2. Requirements change
>>3. Vendors, systems integrators etc. go bust, change direction or
>>what-have-you
>>4. Your project competes with everyone else’s for scarce capital, so
>>everyone has an incentive to downplay cost, and upsell benefits
>>5. Technological cost estimates can be done relatively accurately,
>>but large-scale projects include significant organisational change which 
>> is
>>much harder to estimate/cost up-front.
>>
>>
>>
>> By my guess, about 15-20% of large IT projects ($50-100m+) are
>> successful. Maybe 20-30% are real failures. Everything else is in a bit of
>> a grey area where they are failures based on initial cost/time/features
>> criteria, but might have been successful if business cases were allowed to
>> be more realistic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *g...@greglow.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 October 2019 2:25 PM
>> *To:* 'ozDotNet' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure about that. I endlessly hear that the success ratio for large IT
>> projects is around 30%, not up around 70 or 80%.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s quite appalling really.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sqldownunder.com%2F=02%7C01%7Csspahelp%40microsoft.com%7C1f0ea4d6b97e4d897f3708d666d1e890%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636809449091516274=SLHeEGAMmWUY5YIwcC4oAPYr%2F9RIZdi4MNASsdzwX2I%3D=0>

Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[mike smith]

Manual intervention by local staff until they outsource that to India as
well.  And the data center

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 14:20 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> I actually know someone who worked on the system at Civica. The system was
> an old legacy system from the UK which they butchered to fit the very vague
> requirements from the Fines Vic.
>
> The system is now overly complex and full of bugs. Several components like
> the payment arrangement functionality requires manual intervention every
> night to correct data.
>
> Usual problems like mismanagement and outsourcing to India most of the dev
> work also.
>
> This won’t end well.
>
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 12:24, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper today
>> 
>> about a Victorian government IT disaster. IT disasters are routine (I'm
>> sure we've all caused a few!) but it's interesting that they actually name
>> the software as VIEW from a company called Civica. The article is a bit
>> vague about what's actually wrong, it just says "[it] doesn't work", "the
>> system was absolute chaos" and systems are not "talking to" their
>> computers. Does anyone have inside gossip about what really happened?
>>
>> There was another vast IT disaster a few years ago related to the
>> education system I think, where dodgy contracts were being awarded to
>> mates, and I think the loss ran into the hundreds of millions. That story
>> vanished from the news and I never found out what happened.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>

Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[mike smith]

Success stories don't seem to make it into MSM.  pity, because you'd think
there's more successful outcomes than failures

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:24 Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper today
> 
> about a Victorian government IT disaster. IT disasters are routine (I'm
> sure we've all caused a few!) but it's interesting that they actually name
> the software as VIEW from a company called Civica. The article is a bit
> vague about what's actually wrong, it just says "[it] doesn't work", "the
> system was absolute chaos" and systems are not "talking to" their
> computers. Does anyone have inside gossip about what really happened?
>
> There was another vast IT disaster a few years ago related to the
> education system I think, where dodgy contracts were being awarded to
> mates, and I think the loss ran into the hundreds of millions. That story
> vanished from the news and I never found out what happened.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] GitHub busy?

[mike smith]

Isn't edge chrome now?  Or are we now into the second E of embrace, extend,
extinguish?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 16:08 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Who the F uses Edge? Seriously
>
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 at 14:15, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> It seems to be an Edge browser problem. I just installed and ran the
>> latest Chrome in a VM and all the bits are working. It's still a worry! --*
>> Greg*
>>
>>>

Re: Versioning Solutions

[mike smith]

I'd wonder if it wouldn't be easier to have just one version, but with
extra features enabled or not, depending on customer.  Having to maintain
fixes in multiple versions gets to be a lot of work, testing, etc.

Mike

On Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 13:15 Glen Harvy  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Up till now I have been releasing updates to my projects to all valid
> licence holders if they have a current 'support/upgrade' licence. What I
> want to do is  keep maintaining the current version (for example version
> 15) but I also want to release a new version (for example version 16). I
> want to charge version 15 licence holders should they wish to upgrade to
> version 16 but at the same time I will maintain version 15 for bug fixes
> and minor improvements etc.
>
> A complication is that Version 16 will have updated third party libraries
> whilst version 15 will only have the current version of the third party
> library. Unfortunately, the different versions of the third party libraries
> cannot both be installed on the same machine.
>
> I believe the above scenario will mean that I will need to maintain
> separate projects for version 15 as well as version 16 plus (one day)
> version 17 etc.  Unless I update version 15 third party libraries to the
> newer versions of their libraries (and that is an option) then the separate
> projects will also need to reside on separate machines.
>
> I assume that the above can and probably often is resolved by using Git
> and branches which I do currently use for tracking but I was wondering if
> anyone else can share their experience before I take any course.
>
>
>
>
> Glen Harvy,
> *Aquarius Communications* 
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
> <#m_6029028682910055284_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>

Re: 3 x senior .net developers needed

[mike smith]

Nearly all the government work requires you to already have a security
clearance of some kind.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 09:19 DotNet Dude  wrote:

> I’ve heard similar about Canberra. Most govt tech is like 10 yrs old
> (exaggerating a bit) and things move super slow so depends on what you’re
> after. I’ve never found chasing the money to work for me so we always go
> after projects based on tech and domain.
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 09:14, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> $140/hr is quite easy to get doing govt contracts
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 07:26, Tom Gao  wrote:
>>
>>> Relocation is always an option :)
>>>
>>> How much are they paying in Canberra?
>>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 6:53 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah tell me about it. Melb rates are way lower. Canberra rates are
 astronomical

 On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 21:02, David Burstin 
 wrote:

> Oh wow. I wish you were in Melbourne.
>
> On Thu., 27 Jun. 2019, 20:15 Tom Gao,  wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I've been on this forum for many years now since my developer days.
>> my team is currently looking for 3 x senior .net fullstack developers in
>> contracting positions with the opportunity to transition to perm roles. 
>> Our
>> rates are 900-950 p/d 12 months contract to start with. We're just above
>> sydney townhall station so location is at the heart of the cbd.
>>
>> We're looking for someone ideally with digital agency background with
>> enterprise environment experience.
>>
>> If you're interested please drop me a line.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>

Re: [Off Topic] Drop Box alternatives with a large number of files (about 0.5M+ files).

[mike smith]

Why not turn indexing off for it?  I used to make sure it never indexed
source or compiled output files

On Thu, May 23, 2019, 17:44 David Rhys Jones  wrote:

> Hi,
> I use onedrive, with the save space and download files as you use them. I
> also limit the amount of bandwidth it's using. I've not experienced the
> same issues that you have.
> My git repository is in my onedrive folder which is a bit bigger than your
> set up,
>
> Regards
> Davy
>
>
>
> *... .. /  --- -.-. / .-.. . --. . .-. . / ... -.-. .. ... / -. .. --
> .. ..- -- / . .-. ..- -.. .. - .. --- -. .. ... /  .- -... . ... .-.-.-*
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 9:38 AM Greg Harris <
> g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Sorry, this is a bit of a long rambling request for advice on using or
>> replacing dropbox due to performance reasons with a large number of files
>> (about 0.5M+ files).
>>
>> I used to be a huge supporter of dropbox.  It used to just work and was
>> reasonably responsive.  Then it just stopped working for me last year.
>>
>> I think this may have been around the time when the OS updates were made
>> for Spectre and Meltdown Security Flaw.  The drop in effective performance
>> of the CPU may have pushed the machine below the capacity to run the
>> software???
>>
>> I attempted to get some help from dropbox but that was a huge waste of
>> time.
>>
>> I have now just got around to looking at alternatives.
>>
>> The first one I tried was One Drive.  Because I am in a Microsoft setup,
>> One Drive was the first logical choice.
>>
>> My current One Drive setup has 283K files in 105K folders with 70GB in
>> the cloud and 27GB on the local machine.
>>
>> With One Drive in use, I have noticed the “One Drive Sync Engine” along
>> with the “Windows Search Indexer” tasks running all the time, pushing up
>> the CPU usage and the fans on the system are running to cool it down (which
>> beforehand never happened).  It is somewhat clever enough to know when
>> there is interactive use and push the priority of the task down.  But if I
>> go away from my desk for a few minutes the task is taking a lot of CPU and
>> the fans are running again.
>>
>> What I am looking for in a dropbox alternative is:
>>
>> 1.   Reasonable performance
>>
>> 2.   Online backup of working files
>>
>> 3.   Reasonable price (yes I will pay for it)
>>
>> I think that my options are:
>>
>> 1.   https://www.dropbox.com – Should I go back and try again
>>
>> 2.   https://onedrive.live.com/ - Are the problems I am having
>> consistent with your experience?
>>
>> 3.   https://www.google.com/drive/
>>
>> 4.   https://www.box.com/
>>
>> 5.   Other
>>
>> I am running an old Intel Xeon 2.8GHz with 32 GB RAM as the base machine
>> with a 3 core 10 GB VM inside it as my primary work horse machine.
>>
>> It has been clear the Moore’s law has died in the last five years, so I
>> have seen no clear and present need to upgrade this machine.  I am thinking
>> that may be wrong, do I just need a new machine???
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help on this :-)
>>
>>
>> Greg Harris
>> Harris Consulting Group Pty Ltd
>> g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com
>> www.HarrisConsultingGroup.com 
>> phone: (international) +61 407 942 982
>> phone: (within Australia) 0407 942 982
>> Sydney
>> Australia
>>
>

Re: [OT] New job

[mike smith]

Looking for a c++ position in Canberra myself

On Thu, May 9, 2019, 10:47 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Back to the original question, sorry nothing here.
>
> Melbs market is quite tough at the moment. Not many positions for straight
> .NET devs (my sister in law is in recruitment). Many agency advertisements
> on Seek are actually not even for real positions, more to fill up their
> databases with prospects.
>
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 08:38, Greg Low  wrote:
>
>> Further north is even more awesomeness. Sapphire Beach (just north of
>> Coffs) has fibre to the premises as well as awesome beaches, nearby
>> rainforests, mountains, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>> SQL Down Under Pty Ltd
>> Mobile: +61419201410 Office: 1300775775
>>
>> --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of DotNet Dude <
>> adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:09 am
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New job
>>
>> Here we go again with someone from Newcastle bragging how awesome
>> Newcastle is... Yes, we know it’s awesome. Stop rubbing it in.
>>
>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 19:21, Steven Parish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> Any chance you're interested in moving to Newcastle? Its a great place
>>> to live - great surf beaches, close to the vineyards :)
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Steven Parish
>>> *Managing Director*
>>>
>>> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
>>> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
>>> 
>>> 2300
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:29, Tom P  wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks

 Anyone’s Melbourne based workplace looking for a .NET developer?

 Cheers
 Tom
 --
 Thanks
 Tom

>>>

Re: Slightly off topic - Pros and con of moving to an Apple machine

[mike smith]

Yes, you do need a license, if you don't have a corporate license//msdn etc


On Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 12:44 Preet Sangha  wrote:

> I see that parallels is VM software.I assume that I will need a windows 10
> license to go with it?
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
>
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 14:02, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>>
>> Parallels will let you run windows oses, mostly just a matter of having a
>>> powerful enough machine, either way.
>>>
>>
>> Parallels is good. I have on the iMac and the missus has it on the
>> MacBook. You can put it into a mode where the OS X and Windows desktops are
>> intermingled together in a way that is completely bewildering so you don't
>> know what button you're clicking in which OS. Great feature?! It's about
>> $130/year for the pro version. I had pro for 4 years but cancelled renewal
>> when I realised I was using none of the pro features. I look forward to it
>> expiring and all the VMs breaking for some hidden reason.
>>
>> Coincidentally, this morning I tried to share the Parallels folder on the
>> iMac so I could copy the VM files from it to a Windows backup folder. Well,
>> 40 minutes later after following all the instructions, I get stuck at the
>> Windows password prompt to access the shared iMac. I try every user and
>> password in Christendom and they all fail. I give up.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>>>

Re: Slightly off topic - Pros and con of moving to an Apple machine

[mike smith]

Parallels will let you run windows oses, mostly just a matter of having a
powerful enough machine, either way.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 10:28 Preet Sangha  wrote:

> I am starting with a new role in a few weeks and I've been asked the
> question if want a windows or apple laptop. I do .net development but it's
> all still framework not core. but we're moving in that direction. I'm
> thinking of using this opportunity to finally start working on a 'unixy'
> machine for the first time in my career.
>
> Would it be a major PITA working on MacOS for framework development?
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>

Re: [OT] 5G

[mike smith]

The argument seems to be that it's no different to WiFi and cellular phone
networks, just more pervasive.  I'm not convinced it's valid, having seen a
lot of studies showing existing systems are safe.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 06:52 Tom Rutter  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> What are your thoughts on 5G? I’m hearing a lot of about health concerns
> and 5G.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>

Re: [OT] C++ language war

[mike smith]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1324919/what-language-is-net-framework-written-in

C++ and assembly.  Is that an answer?  It'd mean something written on top
of dotnet won't run faster.  But faster is seldom the main criteria

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 15:59 Greg Keogh  Folks, back in the old forum days we used to ban C# vs VB language wars,
> except on Friday. Since it's late Friday I want to mention I'm in a war (a
> skirmish) at the moment with a colleague who has been using
> Borland/Embarcadero C++ since it was created back in the early 90s. Some of
> our current products are mix of .NET tooling for most of the plumbing and
> UIs with a huge C++ "engine" which does the grunt work of reading and
> analysing huge text files of marketing data. It's a continual pain to
> maintain this native DLL in the suite and it's clumsy to Interop into its
> functions without any strongly-typed API.
>
> I claimed this morning that "the age of C++ is over" … There is no
> convenient language or library support for asynchrony, multi-tasking, web
> service calls or manipulating popular formats like XML and JSON. I know my
> colleague has suffered dreadfully trying to get any of those things
> understood and working. He claims that C++ is still the best choice for
> desktop development which is computationally intensive. I said that may
> have been true before modern languages arrived with GCs and highly
> optimised JIT compilers. In fact I said the old claim that "C++ is best for
> high performance" is now an urban legend.
>
> However, I now have to back-up my claim. Is the age of C++ over? Does
> anyone have a really strong opinion on this?
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] Server 2008 R2 to 2019

[mike smith]

MFC hasn't been deprecated yet?

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 17:54 DotNet Dude  Mother in law got me a book on c++ MFC. 100% serious
>
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 at 18:15, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>
>> Merry Xmas etc. I bought myself a welder but I also gave away some tech
>> does that count?
>>
>> On Thu., 27 Dec. 2018, 8:07 pm Greg Keogh >
>>> Hi folks (quiet in here lately... where is all the .NET chatter these
>>> days?)
>>>
>>> My home office LAN has a Windows 2008 R2 server running on a real box.
>>> It only does two things:
>>>
>>> 1. It's the domain controller.
>>> 2. It runs my 2008 R2 web server inside Hyper-V.
>>>
>>> I'd like to update the 2008 R2 DC to 2019, just so I have the latest for
>>> testing and learning. However I have never before upgraded or replaced a DC
>>> and I'm not sure what the easiest path is. I could just wipe and install
>>> 2019 and set the DC feature, but all the AD tree of computers and users
>>> would be gone and all the authentication and ACLs all over the LAN would be
>>> cactus (I think).
>>>
>>> Is there some ay of upgrading my DC with the least suffering? Any
>>> general advice would be most welcome.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> *Greg*
>>>
>>> P.S. I must be marginal, as Santa just gave me socks, undies and
>>> Bunnings vouchers … nothing IT related. Anyone get any good tech?
>>>
>>

Re: Trusted cloud based source control system where the code is Australian domicile? [Slightly off topic]

[mike smith]

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/us-bill-would-allow-cross-border-data-access-demands-484674

On Mar 22, 2018 11:32, "Greg Harris"  wrote:

> Thank you David  times 2, that will save me quite a bit of pain :-)
>
> Greg Harris
> harris.gre...@gmail.com
> phone: 0407 942 982
> 45/1 Russell St
> 
> Baulkham Hills
> 
> NSW 2153
> 
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:12 AM, David Connors  wrote:
>
>> Failing that, standing up a Git repo on an IaaS VM in one of the
>> Australia regions is easy too.
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 at 09:05 David Gardiner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> VSTS allow you to choose 'Australia' as a hosting region. According to
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/trustcenter/privacy/vsts-location,
>>> source code would be kept in Australia, though some other types of data
>>> could be stored elsewhere.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 21 March 2018 at 22:37, Greg Harris  wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 I have a client that is concerned about Australian domicile data.

 They are happy to use cloud based services, so long as the data is
 Australian domicile.

 We are currently using MS Azure with Australian domicile data /
 services.

 We want to use a cloud based source control system.

 But my expectation is the data (code) is all held in US data centres.

 *Question: Does anyone know of a trusted cloud based source control
 system where the code is Australian domicile?*

 I was thinking of Bit Bucket (https://bitbucket.org/) being Atlassian,
 I was thinking that they may use Australian based storage??? But I think
 that all of their storage is Amazon S3 (https://aws.amazon.com/s3/)?

 And I could see no documentation that says Aust based storage.

 We could self host, but that is just more work I don't want to do...



 Many Thanks

 Greg Harris

 Greg Harris
 harris.gre...@gmail.com
 phone: 0407 942 982



>>>
>>> --
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn
>>  | +61 417 189 363
>>
>
>

RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]

[mike smith]

On Jan 23, 2018 12:49, "Greg Low"  wrote:

My concern, is that in several sites, what I now see is frustrated people
who can't get their work done, at least not efficiently.



Mind you, one of the sites was also worried about power. They have all the
developer machines running in a lower-power mode. Uses less electricity but
builds now take twice as long, etc. (And for this app, that's a long time).
Yet they're discussing how to increase developer productivity.



That's weird.  But, if a Dev needs to rebuild the entire app frequently,
I'd question the design.


Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 419201410
<0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <(03)%208676%204913> fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer
*Sent:* Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:11 AM

*To:* ozDotNet 
*Subject:* RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]



Tools like CyberArk exist for a good reason. And they can sometimes be
beneficial. Our platform admins only need to have a single account now – to
login to CyberArk. Before they used to have numerous privileged accounts to
login to all sorts of systems, and needed to remember and cycle passwords
across all of them. Deprovisioning or altering access when people moved
roles or left was a PITA.



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low
*Sent:* Wednesday, 17 January 2018 8:18 PM
*To:* ozDotNet 
*Subject:* RE: Internet access from development machines [OT]



Or even if they are connected, you could endlessly block them from getting
to what they need anyway:



http://blog.greglow.com/2018/01/09/opinion-treat-staff-like-adults/



Regards,



Greg



Dr Greg Low



1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 419201410
<0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <(03)%208676%204913> fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
*Sent:* Wednesday, 17 January 2018 7:38 PM
*To:* ozDotNet 
*Subject:* Re: Internet access from development machines [OT]



This sounds like a decision upper management would make with no idea how
developers work. It is a great idea if you need to make some layoffs and
want developers to quit.



Craig



On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:18 PM, David Apelt 
wrote:

Team,



I have heard of suggestions that internet connectivity should be prevented
from developer machines in case a security issue causes a leak of source
code or similar.



I know some defence companies have two computers on the desktop to prevent
this from happening.



Outside of defence, what are peoples experiences?  Give developers internet
connectivity?  Have two machines?  Maybe give them a remote desktop
connection from internet.   How many developers in your company that have
internet connectivity?



Thanks in advance

Dave A

Re: Internet access from development machines [OT]

[mike smith]

Lots of version control systems rely on internet connectivity, they might
be firewalled but they are still connected.

On Jan 17, 2018 17:59, "Stephen Price"  wrote:

> I did some Angular 2 Dev in 2016 while it was in late beta. Our internet
> was whitelisted.
>
> It was horrible and whoever implements this on their developers hates
> them, and should be stabbed.
>
> The whole JavaScript Dev debacle is hard enough WITH full internet access.
> Just don't.
>
> There must be a solution to your issue with security perspective, but
> there is a wrong way to go about it.
>
> cheers,
> Stephen
>
> On 17 Jan. 2018 3:18 pm, David Apelt  wrote:
>
> Team,
>
> I have heard of suggestions that internet connectivity should be prevented
> from developer machines in case a security issue causes a leak of source
> code or similar.
>
> I know some defence companies have two computers on the desktop to prevent
> this from happening.
>
> Outside of defence, what are peoples experiences?  Give developers
> internet connectivity?  Have two machines?  Maybe give them a remote
> desktop connection from internet.   How many developers in your company
> that have internet connectivity?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Dave A
>
>
>

Deja vu, somewhat

[mike smith]

Stack Overflow Stats Reveal 'the Brutal Lifecycle of JavaScript Frameworks'
from the reacting-to-React dept.
A developer on the Internal Tools team at Stack Overflow reveals some new
statistics from their 'Trends' tool:JavaScript UI frameworks and libraries
work in cycles. Every six months or so, a new one pops up, claiming that it
has revolutionized UI development. Thousands of developers adopt it into
their new projects, blog posts are written, Stack Overflow questions are
asked and answered, and then a newer (and even more revolutionary)
framework pops up to usurp the throne



https://m.slashdot.org/story/336045

Re: [OT] Internet use on 4G LTE

[mike smith]

Supportive of the NBN before it got nerfed by the LNP.

On Jan 4, 2018 16:59, "Tony Wright"  wrote:

> Gosh Dave, you're not telling me you're still supportive of the hugely
> expensive backward step this nation took with the NBN are you?
>
> On 4 Jan 2018 12:05 PM, "David Connors"  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 at 14:53 Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> They claim a speed of 2560MB whatever that means, but to get 1.6GB down
>>> in 1 minute is pretty impressive. Gosh, internet in Australia really really
>>> sucks!  But nobody wants speed in Australia, right?
>>>
>>
>> That transfer works out at about 250mbps. I'm getting 150mbps at the
>> moment in a business park in Brisbane.
>>
>> Data on NextG costs 5x more than the $6 you paid, but Google tells me the
>> average salary in Australia is 14x that of Thailand.
>>
>> Everyone hates a pedant on a Thursday afternoon.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn
>>  | +61 417 189 363
>>
>

Re: [OT] Azure impacts

[mike smith]

Starting at PST?  Shouldn't there be a time before this, like 1300h PST?

On Jan 4, 2018 13:10, "Greg Keogh"  wrote:

> If anyone in this group knows anyone in the Azure Team, can you please
> pass my following message and advice on to them? ...
>
> Dear Azure Team,
>
> For the love of suffering humanity, stop using the word IMPACT in your
> broadcast emails. The word is appearing more frequently and in more and
> more bizarre and ambiguous ways. In the most recent email (see below) you
> say "performance impact" three times, but does this mean "improve" or
> "degrade" performance? The expression is completely ambiguous. And what is
> an "impacted VM"? Did someone shoot projectiles into them? And most
> puzzling of all, what on earth is a "reduced impact availability"? It
> sounds like a line from a political comedy sketch.
>
> Never use the word impact figuratively, there is always a replacement word
> that is more accurate and expressive.
>
> *Greg Keogh*
>
> *[image: Inline images 1]*
>

Re: [OT] Big Windows 10 update

[mike smith]

Apparently we need to avoid systemd - you get a windows like effect with it

On 13 Dec. 2017 11:08, "Grant Maw" <grant@gmail.com> wrote:

> Never thought I'd ever see myself switching to Linux but I have to say
> that I'm starting to look very, very hard at it, for all the reasons that
> Mike and the Gregs have outlined above. I just wonder if I REALLY need to
> learn a new OS at my age ... life is too short :)
>
> On 12 December 2017 at 15:15, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Haha. Yep, time for people to switch over to Linux.
>>
>> Dotnet core runs there just fine, what's holding you back? Surely it's
>> not driver support or anything right?
>>
>> Kids theses days... Want everything now now now, and then when they get
>> it, they cry. Bit like wanting to go to the shops, and then having to be
>> dragged there crying. ;)
>>
>> Welcome to the future. Let's hope you like it because you can't go back
>> in time (yet)
>>
>> On 12 Dec. 2017 12:42 pm, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Makes you wish there was an os you could compile with what you wanted in
>> it. Oh wait there is
>>
>>
>> On 12 Dec. 2017 15:29, "Greg Low" <g...@greglow.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve had the last two updates break mobile device configuration as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can’t say I love the random, forced breaking of my machine every few
>> months. As a policy, I think it’s pretty questionable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mind you, ask me what I think about iOS 11…
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr Greg Low
>>
>>
>>
>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 419201410
>> <0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <%2803%29%208676%204913> fax
>>
>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdot
>> net.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 December 2017 3:23 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>> *Subject:* [OT] Big Windows 10 update
>>
>>
>>
>> Folks, I didn't know it was coming, but I accepted a big Windows 10
>> update last night. An unfamiliar large blue notification tray window warned
>> me it was a major update that would take a while. So I went and talked to
>> the cats while it updated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, this is a big update. User profiles seem to be recreated on first
>> login. Wallpaper went black. All The crappy Universal apps I removed came
>> back, including new ones like "Mixed Reality" that you can't get rid of,
>> even using PowerShell as real Admin. All file-open dialogs changed size.
>> The Start menu was full of dozens of repeated "NoUIEntryPoints-DesignMode"
>> items and other app menus that were never seen before. Registry adjustments
>> to take stupid nodes out of the Windows Explorer tree were undone. New
>> icons appeared in the tray by default (but could be hidden). And other
>> little things as well... I spent over an hour trying to clean all the
>> "garbage" out again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overall, I'm quite pissed off. Every major Windows update seems to take
>> more and more control away from me, and I'm being told what I should use
>> and like (I can use a Mac if want that!).
>>
>>
>>
>> So just a warning.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>>
>>
>

RE: [OT] Big Windows 10 update

[mike smith]

Makes you wish there was an os you could compile with what you wanted in
it. Oh wait there is


On 12 Dec. 2017 15:29, "Greg Low"  wrote:

> I’ve had the last two updates break mobile device configuration as well.
>
>
>
> Can’t say I love the random, forced breaking of my machine every few
> months. As a policy, I think it’s pretty questionable.
>
>
>
> Mind you, ask me what I think about iOS 11…
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 419201410
> <0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <(03)%208676%204913> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 December 2017 3:23 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* [OT] Big Windows 10 update
>
>
>
> Folks, I didn't know it was coming, but I accepted a big Windows 10 update
> last night. An unfamiliar large blue notification tray window warned me it
> was a major update that would take a while. So I went and talked to the
> cats while it updated.
>
>
>
> Well, this is a big update. User profiles seem to be recreated on first
> login. Wallpaper went black. All The crappy Universal apps I removed came
> back, including new ones like "Mixed Reality" that you can't get rid of,
> even using PowerShell as real Admin. All file-open dialogs changed size.
> The Start menu was full of dozens of repeated "NoUIEntryPoints-DesignMode"
> items and other app menus that were never seen before. Registry adjustments
> to take stupid nodes out of the Windows Explorer tree were undone. New
> icons appeared in the tray by default (but could be hidden). And other
> little things as well... I spent over an hour trying to clean all the
> "garbage" out again.
>
>
>
> Overall, I'm quite pissed off. Every major Windows update seems to take
> more and more control away from me, and I'm being told what I should use
> and like (I can use a Mac if want that!).
>
>
>
> So just a warning.
>
>
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: Creating a browser-based product

[mike smith]

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsofts-vmware-azure-stack-neither-certified-nor-supported-478352?eid=1=20171124_source=20171124_AM_medium=newsletter_campaign=daily_newsletter

But yeah, VMware would say that, I guess.


On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:12 PM, David Connors  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 at 12:43 Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>> I haven’t seen the latest list, but my current (and previous two)
>> employer was on the list a couple of years ago. And whilst we can probably
>> get hardware pretty cheap, that’s not the bulk of the cost of running
>> something on-premise. Talking about hardware costs is talking about the
>> wrong thing. I’m not saying that cloud is cheaper (it probably isn’t), but
>> it gives you agility and flexibility, and time-is-money.
>>
>
> Correct; and I have come to be 180 degree opposed to where I was on cloud
> 5-6 years ago.
>
> It is very easy for the anti-cloud people to point to a piece of tin and
> say 'that hardware was $400K and it lasts us 3-4 years'. It is much harder
> to point to all of the operational staff costs, downtime from hardware not
> being run properly, full suites of ops software that are just built into
> cloud solutions.
>
> I could stand you up a global data centre in Azure with BGP routing and
> all the active fail over DR you want in a couple of hours. Try doing that
> with tin and wan service providers.
>
> The article says:
> *"First and foremost, Fortune 500-size corporations that can’t negotiate
> pricing for servers and storage comparable to what Amazon and Microsoft pay
> for the gear they use to run AWS and Azure just aren’t trying very hard.
> They have access to the same technology management tools, practices, and
> talent, too."*
>
> Which is just bullshit for IaaS and REALLY bullshit for PaaS solutions
> like Azure SQL Database.
>
> --
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> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | https://t.me/davidconnors | LinkedIn
>  | +61 417 189 363
>



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RE: Creating a browser-based product

[mike smith]

http://issurvivor.com/2017/11/20/opinionization-in-the-cloud/

On 21 Nov. 2017 22:15, "mike smith" <meski...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Browsers as virtual OSes, or VMs themselves as virtual environments to
> separate the applications or services?
>
> I was reading an article suggesting that fortune 500 companies that bought
> Amazon, MS style cloud services were being lazy, and should be building
> their own.
>
> I'll look up the link
>
> On 21 Nov. 2017 19:11, "Ken Schaefer" <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote:
>
> We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we
> had to upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test
> 1000+ apps. That’s a huge waste of time.
>
> Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to
> thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints.
>
>
>
> When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1,
> or 2 apps. It doesn’t scale.
>
>
>
> Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware,
> networking etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and
> some logic delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised.
>
>
>
> And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the
> choices being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems
> the market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method.
>
>
>
> Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to
> immaturity. If you want an app that does something that we were able to do
> 20 years ago, then that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants
> is apps to do things that haven’t been done before.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdot
> net.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Low
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Creating a browser-based product
>
>
>
> But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good
> answers now? Do they care if it could be used by billions of people? The
> odd one might care. Most won’t.
>
>
>
> Won’t they be more concerned with taking 6 or 8 times longer, and costing
> proportionately more?
>
>
>
> Not every app is at the high-end. Most aren’t.
>
>
>
> And now I watch daily nightmares around deploying web apps too.
>
>
>
> What exactly have we done to ourselves?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 <1300%20775%20775>) office | +61 419201410
> <0419%20201%20410> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <(03)%208676%204913> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com |http://greglow.me
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdot
> net.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 4:46 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Creating a browser-based product
>
>
>
> I'm not sure this is much more of an issue now than it was. Back in the
> day we had to decide between Delphi, VB, Powerbuilder, C++ among others
> when building a Windows app. And once we decided that we had to work out
> which third party libraries we wanted to use with them.
>
>
>
> If I take an old 15 year old Delphi app I have it would take me the best
> part of a week to get it compiling again now if I had to build the dev
> machine from scratch.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Greg Low <g...@greglow.com> wrote:
>
> So then we’re back to why business apps take so very long to build
> nowadays, and why no-one can seem to decide which tools to use. Either way,
> as an industry, our productivity when building apps is poor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Creating a browser-based product

[mike smith]

Browsers as virtual OSes, or VMs themselves as virtual environments to
separate the applications or services?

I was reading an article suggesting that fortune 500 companies that bought
Amazon, MS style cloud services were being lazy, and should be building
their own.

I'll look up the link

On 21 Nov. 2017 19:11, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

We used to have everything as thick-client apps. And then every time we had
to upgrade an OS, we have to regression test, and sociability test 1000+
apps. That’s a huge waste of time.

Then there’s the deployment issues of pushing thousands of apps out to
thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of endpoints.



When you talk about building a LoB app – well, that works when you have 1,
or 2 apps. It doesn’t scale.



Instead, we’re now using a browser as a virtual OS (with hardware,
networking etc. abstracted away to the real OS), with an application UI and
some logic delivered as text at run-time, and the non-GUI parts centralised.



And when we look at all the possible ways of building apps, and the choices
being made by both developers of apps, and buyers of apps, it seems the
market’s been pretty unequivocal about the preferred method.



Why it’s not much better/faster than before, is probably down to
immaturity. If you want an app that does something that we were able to do
20 years ago, then that’s trivial to implement. But what the market wants
is apps to do things that haven’t been done before.



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Greg Low
*Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 5:51 PM
*To:* ozDotNet 
*Subject:* RE: Creating a browser-based product



But when a business just wants a line of business app, are these good
answers now? Do they care if it could be used by billions of people? The
odd one might care. Most won’t.



Won’t they be more concerned with taking 6 or 8 times longer, and costing
proportionately more?



Not every app is at the high-end. Most aren’t.



And now I watch daily nightmares around deploying web apps too.



What exactly have we done to ourselves?



Regards,



Greg



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*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
*Sent:* Tuesday, 21 November 2017 4:46 PM
*To:* ozDotNet 
*Subject:* Re: Creating a browser-based product



I'm not sure this is much more of an issue now than it was. Back in the day
we had to decide between Delphi, VB, Powerbuilder, C++ among others when
building a Windows app. And once we decided that we had to work out which
third party libraries we wanted to use with them.



If I take an old 15 year old Delphi app I have it would take me the best
part of a week to get it compiling again now if I had to build the dev
machine from scratch.



On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Greg Low  wrote:

So then we’re back to why business apps take so very long to build
nowadays, and why no-one can seem to decide which tools to use. Either way,
as an industry, our productivity when building apps is poor.

Re: Creating a browser-based product

[mike smith]

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Can you afford to wait for http://webassembly.org too get to production
>> ready???
>>
>
> A bit of reading on this does give me some optimism. The idea of a widely
> supported general purpose bytecode that runs in browsers is a great idea.
> But hang on ... haven't we been here before? What is Java bytecode, what is
> IL? Now we'll have another one, but at least is seems to be getting input
> from all the big companies. Then we pray for how long it will take before
> the developer frameworks and language bindings pop up around it. How long
> before I can write, debug and deploy a webassembly app from Visual Studio?
>
> *Greg #2*
>

What was Pascal pcode?  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-code_machine

70's and 80's ??  For what it is, why does the IL need to keep getting
changed?

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Re: Fw: Re: [OT] NBN and phone

[mike smith]

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> My 'solution' was to get a double wireless DECT phone, the base station
>> plugs in near the NBN modem, the remote just needs to plug into power.  A
>> plus is DECT phones show caller ID.
>>
>
> Yes, all solved. I just bought a four-pack Uniden DECT kit, plugged it all
> in and now we have four phones in convenient places around the house. There
> is no longer any need for an extension cable as four cordless phones cover
> the whole house. All that crawling in the dirt was a waste of time.
>
> *GK*
>

It's a bit of a pity you can't run wireless phones straight off WIFI ...
google  looks like there's a few solutions in that area too.



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Re: Fw: Re: [OT] NBN and phone

[mike smith]

My 'solution' was to get a double wireless DECT phone, the base station
plugs in near the NBN modem, the remote just needs to plug into power.  A
plus is DECT phones show caller ID.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> $19 at Bunnings. Does CAT5/6 and Phone. Worth it.
>>
> Every geek should have one! My wife contracts at a fibre-optic
> tech company and will take the cable in there today for the sparkies to
> look at. I'm sure the cable works. It's something peculiar about this new
> white NBN modem and/or the Uniden XDect house phone base station. And what
> fun first thing Monday morning, I just crawled under the house again to
> extract the cable -- *GK*
>



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Re: [OT] Post NBN problem

[mike smith]

Seem to recall if you're moving 'serious' stuff, you should set TTL really
short a bit before you actually do it.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks, the wandering IP forced me to make the decision to get the last
> domain off my server. I made an A0 $22/month Azure VM, copied up all my
> files, configured IIS, installed the cert, set permissions, made users and
> groups, got FTP working, got WCF working, changed the DNS, etc etc etc
> until my fingers bled, but it seems to be working nicely now.
>
> I was really worried for several hours because the site was visible from
> some places (Bitbucket) but unresolved for others (BlogSpot), which didn't
> make sense and I thought I'd stuffed something up. Then by last night it
> all came good, which I suppose was caused by a delay in the DNS
> propagating. I've noticed it usually takes about an hour for DNS changes to
> propagate, but it was about 24 hours this time.
>
> So I'm no longer hosting anything public. Thanks heavens!
>
> *GK*
>
> On 13 September 2017 at 08:31, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:07 AM, David Connors <da...@connors.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 at 11:04 Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just discovered that my NBN IP silently changed again overnight
>>>> without any apparent interruption, so it's an ongoing problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It isn't NBN doing that, it is your ISP. Who are you wish?
>>>
>>>
>>>> It looks like most NBN providers consider a fixed IP to be a "business"
>>>> requirement and to get it they would shove you up to some business plan as
>>>> an excuse to charge you a lot more for very little. Exetel seems to provide
>>>> a free fixed IP for home accounts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It isn't that much more - even Telstra only charge $10/month for a fixed
>>> IP. Mind you, I'm stuck on their special 'velocity' fibre network in South
>>> Brisbane area so anything else looks cheap to me.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> iinet 'give' me one for somewhere between 2-3$ a month on top of my
>> regular (non biz) plan
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>
>


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Re: [OT] Post NBN problem

[mike smith]

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:07 AM, David Connors  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 at 11:04 Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> I just discovered that my NBN IP silently changed again overnight without
>> any apparent interruption, so it's an ongoing problem.
>>
>
> It isn't NBN doing that, it is your ISP. Who are you wish?
>
>
>> It looks like most NBN providers consider a fixed IP to be a "business"
>> requirement and to get it they would shove you up to some business plan as
>> an excuse to charge you a lot more for very little. Exetel seems to provide
>> a free fixed IP for home accounts.
>>
>
> It isn't that much more - even Telstra only charge $10/month for a fixed
> IP. Mind you, I'm stuck on their special 'velocity' fibre network in South
> Brisbane area so anything else looks cheap to me.
>
>

iinet 'give' me one for somewhere between 2-3$ a month on top of my regular
(non biz) plan


> --
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> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>



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Re: Context menus for .sln file

[mike smith]

x86 vs x64 locations of registry?(assuming you run with x64 Windows)

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Hopefully I'm not breaking any rule to give Directory Opus a plug, it's
>> great for this stuff and loadsmore.
>>
>
> That's an impression utility, and it looks like it implements custom
> context menus, but it's far to heavy-handed for my modest needs. I was
> hoping to just tweak a few registry entries to get what I needed.
>
> I forgot to mention that while search all 4.48 billion web pages this
> morning, I found a at least a dozen suggestions and examples which all *don't
> work*.
>
> *GK*
>



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Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results

[mike smith]

Ketogenisis is too close to ketoaccidosis[1]  for someone with insulin
dependent diabetes to want to try.  But if you don't, then sure :)


Vegan diets, I suspect work because you have to monitor what you eat to get
a balanced diet.

Avoid sugar?  I do that.  Also 'empty carbs'   It's unlikely you can lose
weight through exercise alone.If you're on this list, you're a coder,
not a brickie/labourer. :)


Mike


[1] you even measure it the same way!!


On 20 Jun. 2017 2:33 pm, "Bec C"  wrote:

> I'd have to respectfully disagree. Tried it and lost weight.
>
> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> Nope.
>>
>> If you cut calories and have any carbs in your system then you will have
>> insulin in your system and your body will be in storing mode. Impossible to
>> lose ANY weight if you are only storing.
>>
>> To bring it back on topic for the list it would be like being only able
>> to append records to a database table and not be able to delete. If you can
>> never delete then its impossible to make the table smaller.
>>
>> Insulin = store only.
>>
>> It's hormonal not caloric. You would put weight on if your lower calories
>> were high carb/sugars. Try it.
>>
>> On 20 Jun. 2017 12:01 pm, Bec C  wrote:
>>
>> Never said a calorie is a calorie. Anyway try it, cut calories by like
>> 300-500 a day and you will lose weight.
>>
>> Anyway this post was about sit stand desks...
>>
>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 'As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories'
>>
>> Read The Case Against Sugar or Pure White and Deadly, or watch That
>> Sugar Film, or The Men That Made Us Fat. They all make the point that the
>> basic biochemistry (which is well established) *absolutely* disagrees
>> with this. Fat, glucose and fructose all have very different pathways for
>> metabolism, which makes a lie of the 'calorie is a calorie' mantra (itself
>> accused of being an invention of the sugar industry). In That Sugar Film
>> (admittedly a sample size of one) he puts on significant weight without
>> changing total calorific intake, by swapping fat for sugar (and explains
>> why).
>>
>> I take everything I read highly skeptically, but in particular The Case
>> Against Sugar is very comprehensively argued and well worth reading. The
>> historical context is particularly damming.
>>
>> On 20 Jun. 2017 08:53, "Bec C"  wrote:
>>
>> You can be an idiot on any diet. I wouldn't believe everything you read
>> either. I've seen studies that totally contradict each other.
>>
>> Just for the record I'm not actually vegan. I tried it a few years ago.
>>
>> As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories. Being healthy is a
>> whole different thing.
>>
>> Anyway too off topic now
>>
>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>> OOTT: At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to call shenanigans
>> on this one (sorry Bec). Whilst most vegans probably have very healthy
>> diets (due to increased awareness of what they eat) there's nothing
>> inherent in veganism that actually ensures this, as a quick scan down the
>> vegan society pages confirms: https://www.vegansociety.com/r
>> esources/lifestyle/food-and-drink. Plenty of sugary treats in that list
>> described as vegan, even beans on toast is packed with the stuff.
>>
>> It's *not* about the calories. https://www.theguard
>> ian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lust
>> ig-john-yudkin
>>
>> OOTT= off off-topic topic
>>
>> On 20 Jun. 2017 06:29, "Bec C"  wrote:
>>
>> Yep that podcast is fairly good. Veganism also works for losing weight,
>> very hard to eat excess calories on a vegan diet.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Totally agree on this point. I've been ketogenic for six months now (lost
>> 6kg in the first month, have plateaued now but feel great). Some .net
>> people may know Carl Franklin's been podcasting at 2ketodudes.com, and
>> he's done an awesome job recording his progress. 6 months and he lost 80lb
>> and is no longer type 2 diabetic.
>> Got so much out of it, I backed his kickstarter project to turn his town
>> keto for a weekend. Flying out with my wife in a couple of weeks. Will be
>> seeing the sights in New York, then up to New London for ketofest.
>> Btw, you don't have to be over weight to suffer the damaging effects of
>> too much carbs/sugar. The inflammatory damage in your veins can't be seen
>> from the outside.
>>
>> One of the strange side effects I have noticed is that some days I forget
>> to eat. Today, I had accidentally turned off my alarm so was running a bit
>> late. Went to work with no breakfast, had one coffee at work, and worked
>> right through lunch as I hadn't taken anything and office is a bit of a
>> drive from places to eat. 

Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results

[mike smith]

Do they?  As a diabetic, I oughta look at this.  OTOH being on my feet is a
bit contraindicated

On 19 Jun. 2017 16:33, "Tony Wright"  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> No, not the back for me. They say that your body stops regulating insulin
> properly after 4 hours of sitting, and that's about when I was feeling
> unwell/lethargic from sitting.
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem for
>> example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel that
>>> I've been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a while.
>>> I'm not regretful for one second that I have the option.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
 Hey folks

 I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was interested
 in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried standing get any
 good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or went back to only 
 sitting?

 Cheers

>>>
>>>
>

Re: List is back

[mike smith]

/cry

What's it running on the Windows side?

M

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:54 PM, David Connors  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Sorry I had to patch the physical host that the list is on due to
> wannacry.
>
> The linux box came back as saved instead of started after the reboot.
>
> David.
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>



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Re: Modern C++

[mike smith]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Haven't used printf or scanf (or their friends) in ages.
>>
>
> They were the first things to be highlighted when I compiled my old source
> for the first time.
>


Not much of that around for windows code now


> I also wanted Unicode support like we're used to with the managed String
> class, but I wasn't sure what the latest C++ convention was for this. I
> went searching and came across conflicting information. Some recommended
> the STL string, some pointed to safe replacements for all the old
> dangerous 'str' functions, then I found various macros like U("") for
> defining Unicode strings. At this point I became irritable and didn't know
> what to do.
>
> Have you got a convention for defining and manipulating strings in your
> C++ code? Is there a reasonably widespread convention at all?!
>
>
We went thru and converted it all to L"something" where it was embedded
(and we minimise that, as it's freaking hard to regionalise that way) and
if we manipulate raw strings with C++ we use the safe forms of strcat -
compile with warnings as errors points out the ones you miss.  Most of our
string stuff, though, has a internal string class that wraps the boost
stuff.  And includes toAscii and vice versa stuff.  BOMs on files can be
annoying.




> *GK*
>



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Re: Modern C++

[mike smith]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Not missing C++ because I'm still using it day-to-day :)
>>
>
> How's the experience? Using all the new fangled styles, libraries and
> compilers that appeared in the last 14 years? -- *GK*
>

Using boost in lieu of std, running with VS 13 and 15.   Haven't used
printf or scanf (or their friends) in ages.

Some of the testing tools with the compiler are rather neat (coverage,
analysis, optimisation after running)


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Re: Modern C++

[mike smith]

Not missing C++ because I'm still using it day-to-day :)

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:50 AM, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> I miss C but not C++ at all
>
>
> On Tuesday, 18 April 2017, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Folks, those of us writing managed code in here should be really
>> grateful. I know because on the weekend I tried to resurrect some of my C++
>> library code that has been untouched since 2003. Well ... everything has
>> changed thanks to the security review, Unicode, new standard libraries,
>> language features and compilers. It took me hours to get the old code
>> modernised to compile, but then I ran into incomprehensible linker errors
>> that I still haven't solved. So I'm not there yet.
>>
>> Then this morning I had to prove to a colleague who only writes C++ that
>> Azure Storage was usable from C++ programs without too much suffering
>> because I expected and hoped that helper libraries would be available. I
>> found good sample articles here
>> 
>> and here
>> ,
>> and I eventually made a simple working sample, but it was hell. The
>> namespaces are unfamiliar, the iterators are cryptic, there are new magic
>> string macros, but worst of all is asynchrony via the pplx library. In
>> managed code we can just await or let! bind for asynchrony, and the
>> language syntax is short and clear. I still haven't managed to get a single
>> async C++ function call to work yet.
>>
>> I was hoping that after all these years, and with the trend to "modern
>> C++" that things would be better, and I'm sure they are once you get the
>> hang of it, but the change in style, libraries, language and compilers
>> makes your 20th century C/C++ code experience mostly obsolete. Now I really
>> appreciate how lucky we are writing C# and F#.
>>
>> Here endeth the post Easter sermon.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>


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Re: installing multiple things on my development machine. Are Virtual machines still the way to go?

[mike smith]

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Do watch out for having too many versions of SQL Server installed - it can
>>> end up making your PATH environment variable too big and then "bad things"
>>> start happening.
>>>
>>
> I just had a look at my default login path for the first time in a year or
> so and I'm shocked by finding the following items crammed into it.
>
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\120\DTS\Binn\
> C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\130\Tools\Binn\
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\DTS\Binn\
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\130\DTS\Binn\
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\Client SDK\ODBC\130\Tools\Binn\
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\130\Tools\Binn\
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\130\Tools\Binn\
> ManagementStudio\
>
> Three versions no less! Even worse, under the x86 folder I find subfolders
> 80, 90, 100, 110, 120 and 130. Then nearby I noticed I also have Visual
> Studio folders numbered 8, 10.0, 11.0, 12.0 and 14.0. What a mess.
>
>
While I'm in a ranty mood, why is VS out of step, numerically, between its
splash year ( Visual Studio 2015 ) and its folder name C:\Program Files
(x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 14.0 ??

And the name of the next version ?




> The PATH is such on ancient concept I'm amazed it still exists in Windows.
> If you go Win+R and enter excel.exe for example, it will run even though
> it's not in the path. There are special registry entries for this magic
> lookup (I forget where I saw them) but I've never seen documentation on how
> to exploit it for your own use.
>
> *GK*
>



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Re: installing multiple things on my development machine. Are Virtual machines still the way to go?

[mike smith]

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 11:13 AM, David Gardiner 
wrote:

> VMs and Docker are great for isolating things.
>
> Also now with Windows 10 being able to do a 'refresh' (leaving all your
> documents and source files etc alone) combined with something like
> Boxstarter (or even just Chocolatey), being able to rebuild your machine
> can be done relatively painlessly (eg. a few hours, or overnight). I do
> like the idea that recreating my development environment is pretty straight
> forward.
>
> Do watch out for having too many versions of SQL Server installed - it can
> end up making your PATH environment variable too big and then "bad things"
> start happening.
>

THis.  Why are apps so terrible at managing adding and removing themselves
from the path?

Re: [OT] iMac backups

[mike smith]

revert the range where it hits :)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Adrian Halid <adr...@halid.com.au> wrote:

> What about cloud backup services like crashplan or backblaze.
>
>
>
> https://www.backblaze.com/
>
> https://www.crashplan.com/en-us/
>
>
>
> I personally use backblaze for myself and family.
>
> It has saved my family member in the past when they got hit by a crypto
> virus.
>
> I was able to restore from a specific date in time before the crypto virus
> hit.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards*
>
>
>
> *Adrian Halid*
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 January 2017 7:02 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] iMac backups
>
>
>
> I'd go for TimeMachine as well.  Just plug a external drive in, and turn
> Time Machine on for it.
>
>
>
> Or googledrive or dropbox if it needs to be offsite.  (has anyone used
> these successfully as a target drive for time machine?)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Steven Parish <
> ste...@businesscraft.com.au> wrote:
>
> I just had the experience of a crashing macbook pro - short story, the
> "timemachine" backup worked flawlessly for me - did a full backup of about
> 400GB and restored it on a fresh install - all this done by the nice people
> at my local apple store on the weekend (they also replaced the logic board
> under warranty even though I was outside the 2 year warranty period). I
> have always been a windows person, but I'm definitely liking the apple
> experience (still develop under parallels which was about 200gb for the
> image and this restored perfectly). Have been running for a full day now
> with no black screen shutdowns! Life is much better. :)
>
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
>
> *Steven Parish*
>
> *Managing Director*
>
>
>
> *BusinessCraft Pty Ltd*
>
> *Address:* Level 1, 270 Turton Road, New Lambton NSW 2305
>
> *Mail:* PO Box 57, Lambton NSW 2299
>
> *M:* 0417 688 599 | *T:* 02 4965  <(02)%204965%20> | *F:* 02 4965
> 5333 <(02)%204965%205333>
>
> *www.businesscraft.com.au <http://www.businesscraft.com/>*
>
>
>
> On 24 January 2017 at 09:19, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Folks, I have to take a snapshot of about 9GB of files on my El Capitan
> iMac. On Windows I would plugin a stick or portable and run robocopy with
> the /XD and /XF switches to exclude junk, but I'm not sure what the
> equivalent is on OSX. Does anyone have a handy technique for doing this
> sort of thing? Perhaps there are mysterious Unix commands I can use from
> the Terminal prompt -- *Greg K*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>



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Re: [OT] iMac backups

[mike smith]

I'd go for TimeMachine as well.  Just plug a external drive in, and turn
Time Machine on for it.

Or googledrive or dropbox if it needs to be offsite.  (has anyone used
these successfully as a target drive for time machine?)

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Steven Parish 
wrote:

> I just had the experience of a crashing macbook pro - short story, the
> "timemachine" backup worked flawlessly for me - did a full backup of about
> 400GB and restored it on a fresh install - all this done by the nice people
> at my local apple store on the weekend (they also replaced the logic board
> under warranty even though I was outside the 2 year warranty period). I
> have always been a windows person, but I'm definitely liking the apple
> experience (still develop under parallels which was about 200gb for the
> image and this restored perfectly). Have been running for a full day now
> with no black screen shutdowns! Life is much better. :)
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
>
> *Steven Parish*
>
> *Managing Director*
>
>
> *BusinessCraft Pty Ltd*
>
> *Address:* Level 1, 270 Turton Road, New Lambton NSW 2305
>
> *Mail:* PO Box 57, Lambton NSW 2299
>
> *M:* 0417 688 599 | *T:* 02 4965  <(02)%204965%20> | *F:* 02 4965
> 5333 <(02)%204965%205333>
>
> *www.businesscraft.com.au *
>
> On 24 January 2017 at 09:19, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
>> Folks, I have to take a snapshot of about 9GB of files on my El Capitan
>> iMac. On Windows I would plugin a stick or portable and run robocopy with
>> the /XD and /XF switches to exclude junk, but I'm not sure what the
>> equivalent is on OSX. Does anyone have a handy technique for doing this
>> sort of thing? Perhaps there are mysterious Unix commands I can use from
>> the Terminal prompt -- *Greg K*
>>
>
>


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Re: Friday Rant (today!)

[mike smith]

We use it to generate fairly complex MSIs, and MSPs for patches and
hotfixes.  The WXS and WXI files make your eyes bleed, but once you get
over that, it's ok.  It's almost unavoidable to use it if you have
customers that want to use enterprise policy setups.

Mike

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Glen Harvy  wrote:

> For what it's worth, I agree with you wholeheartedly :-(
>
> On 22/01/2017 3:20 PM, Greg Keogh wrote:
>
>
> So overall, either I'm really missing something, or nothing much has
> changed and WiX is still just a huge XML file with a jumbled set of command
> line tools.
>
> *GK*
>
>
>


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Re: [OT] Accepting a one off credit card payment

[mike smith]

Or maybe other bank apps.  I mentioned CBA because it's what I use

On 13 Jan. 2017 12:40, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They're not with cba unfortunately
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:35 PM, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With the combank app they could pay into your BSB / account number.
>>
>> On 13 Jan. 2017 11:53, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks
>>>
>>> I have a client who can only pay me with a credit card. is there
>>> something I could use to accept this payment as a one off? Paypal?
>>> Something better? I assume I'd be hit with merchant fees of some sort
>>> regardless of method.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Accepting a one off credit card payment

[mike smith]

With the combank app they could pay into your BSB / account number.

On 13 Jan. 2017 11:53, "Tom Rutter"  wrote:

> Hey folks
>
> I have a client who can only pay me with a credit card. is there something
> I could use to accept this payment as a one off? Paypal? Something better?
> I assume I'd be hit with merchant fees of some sort regardless of method.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>

RE: [OT] IT in 'The Martian'

[mike smith]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening


I'd guess that modern CPUs are too ephemeral to be considered for radiation
hardening.  (A different model of the family comes out every year)

On 7 Jan. 2017 8:32 pm, "Ken Schaefer"  wrote:

> In what way are they not "off the shelf"? The internal circuitry and
> firmware's the same, isn't it? Maybe the form factor might be different
> (shielding, cooling etc.)
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-todays-spacecraft-still-
> run-on-1990s-processors/
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
> On Behalf Of Davy Jones
> Sent: Friday, 6 January 2017 7:10 PM
> To: ozDotNet 
> Subject: Re: [OT] IT in 'The Martian'
>
> Pathfinder (1996) was a very low tech / love cost proof of concept
> mission, so a hardened 8 bit processor is not out of the question. Nasa
> doesn't use of the shelf chips. In it's craft. That's why you will see
> laptops all over the place in Nasa footage, they don't meet the radiation
> proof specs of Nasa but are not mission critical.
> Converting. A - 65 to hex I would need a chart too, or a bit of paper and
> a pen.
>
> Davy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 6 Jan 2017, at 03:13, Greg Keogh  wrote:
> > Folks, we watched The Martian last night on a friend's huge TV with 3-D
> glasses (which really work, it's a technical marvel). Fabulous looking
> movie, a bit too long, clearly targeted for the big screen and those sorts
> of audiences, science stretched to the limits of credibility but you don't
> really care.
> >
> > I noticed that IT played a small co-starring role. One astrophysicist
> boffin was huddled in the corridor of a super-computer centre with his
> laptop plugged directly into one of the racks running slingshot orbit
> simulations (is it faster that way?). Matt Damon communicating with a
> camera pointing to base-16 placards (he shamefully needed an ASCII chart to
> decode the digits).
> >
> > Matt is using a hex editor at one point to directly to allow cross-probe
> communication. I'm not sure if that hex was actually anything like
> recognisable machine code, or it was real Mars Rover code from 2006 (did it
> use a well-known chip and OS?)
> >
> > One lady in the mothership's crew must have been a highly skilled
> programmer, as she had to do some emergency drastic refactoring of some
> sort (I can't remember the details now).
> >
> > A bit of cryptography/steganography ... a NASA guy sent a secret message
> to one of the crew using a fake broken email attachment, but the message
> was simply encoded as hex digits.
> >
> > There were lots of quick screen-shots showing nice graphics and source
> code. Luckily they avoided the cliché of having ludicrous complicated
> meaningless screens full of little windows and scrolling hex dumps (as in
> most action movies, like Die Hard 4). I'm sure I noticed some actual LISP
> code at one point, it was quick, but there were many lines of giveaway
> . A few other times I saw function definitions in lower case with
> underscores, so perhaps it was Python, but it was too quick to be sure.
> >
> > Greg K
>

Re: [OT] HP Spectre x360 thoughts

[mike smith]

It's a touch-screen, is that a feature you're looking for?

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Tom P  wrote:

> I'll mostly be using it at my desk but I guess I'd like the option to
> travel with it so I wouldn't go for anything larger than a 15". RAM I
> thought 8GB would be enough but everyone keeps telling me 16GB is the way
> to go, SSD for speed obviously, 512GB storage would be enough unless 1TB is
> not much more expensive, screen res as high as possible given my budget,
> Windows 10, onsite service 3 or 4 years unless there is a higher offering.
> In the past I've had problems after 3 years right after not renewing the
> warranty. Not sure about driving 4K screens, I probably wouldn't but again
> if it does then I wouldn't complain. Budget is $3000 give or take $100 or
> $200 since it's a lot of money already anyway.
>
> Sorry I speak like a user :-)
>
>
> On 15 December 2016 at 21:51, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
>> First thing, given there are a huge number of laptops out there, are what
>> are your requirements/constraints/use cases…
>>
>>
>>
>> a)  What are the minimums you think you need (storage, RAM, battery
>> life, screen res)
>>
>> b) What is your budget (or any other constraint – OS etc.)
>>
>> c)  Is this going to be mostly portable, working in customer
>> offices, cafes, planes etc), or mostly sit on your desk. Do you want to
>> drive 4K screens etc. off it on your desk
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that this is going to be your primary work machine, I guess it’s
>> safe to assume you need either (a) maximum reliability or (b) onsite
>> service – no “return to base and wait a week” type offerings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry I speak like an architect. I guess I’ve been doing that for too
>> long now.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@ozdot
>> net.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2016 8:40 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet 
>> *Subject:* [OT] HP Spectre x360 thoughts
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow thanks for the comprehensive email Tony. During my research I
>> actually did read about horror stories like yours where people ended up
>> sending machines back several times. It's really disappointing when you're
>> spending so much money. I know several people who just refuse to deal with
>> Dell now after having many issues with them. I'll keep looking...
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2016, Tony Wright  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been reviewing laptops lately for value for money and decided the
>> battery life on the x360 sucked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the laptops in the $3000 range are dual core as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're after a 2in1 and dual core is fine you could consider Lenovo
>> thinkpad x1 yoga, or the Lenovo yoga 910. Lenovo yoga 910 is consumer and
>> had 7th gen Intel chip but no pen capability. Thinkpad x1 yoga has pen but
>> different port configuration.
>>
>>
>>
>> Check ports on all laptops you consider. Thunderbolt ports are best if
>> you can get them. Usbc is second best (you can run multiple external
>> monitors + Ethernet cable via those ports) But you will also need adapters
>> to fit.
>>
>>
>>
>> The best value I ended up coming up with was a Dell Xps 15. But I have
>> had major issues. They have now replaced my motherboard 3 times due to
>> crashes, screen flickering and thunderbolt port failures. Tomorrow they
>> will replace my motherboard for the fourth time. Not good enough. If it
>> fails this time, I'm getting a refund.
>>
>>
>>
>> My advice is look for discount codes as well. My son has a student
>> account giving him access to discounts on hp (limited selection up to 40%),
>> Dell (15%) and Microsoft (15%). Lenovo had up to 20% recently but have
>> removed that deal. Lenovo often have other deals. Apple 10% through a
>> student discount. Auto clubs, like racv, also have discounts.
>>
>>
>>
>> If my laptop fails again and I have to buy another laptop, I think I
>> might get a Lenovo P50, but they're expensive and not as sexy,but I can get
>> a xeon chip or high end quad core, go up to 64gb ram, and put a second nvme
>> pcie ssd of I like.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other laptops I considered were surface book. Didn't like the lack of
>> thunderbolt. Apple Macbook pro, which you can install windows natively on.
>> It's got an awesome configuration but bad battery life, and that's reduced
>> further by windows. Asus Zenbook pro 15 but couldn't find a price for the
>> right configuration I want (I only want 1920x1080 as I want more battery
>> life)
>>
>> Hp omen - lacks extensibility. Dell precision 7510 far too expensive in
>> Australia.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2016 5:34 PM, "Tom P"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the HP Spectre x360 13 inch with high specs (16gb
>> ram, 512 ssd, i7) which ends up costing about $3100 with the warranty. Have
>> any devs here