Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Piers Williams]

I don't think the mess is as much of a new thing as people make out - Java
dev has always been like this from what I could see. It's just in the
dotnet world (until recently) we've been pretty conservative, and stuck to
the Microsoft sanctioned approach (by and large). Even then, we've got WPF
frameworks coming out of our ears, endless persistence battles, a brace of
Di containers and a bewildering variety of different packaging technologies
(msi old school, msi/wix, webdeploy, nuget via octopus, zip, SCCM,
clickonce, squirrel, universal app packaging etc).

So if it looks big and scary that's just because it's an entire alien
ecosystem. (for some of us). Maps for Java, Dotnet, AWS, Azure would look
similarly daunting. Web dev just grew up that's all (eg JavaScript unit
testing didnt used to be a thing at all)

On 23 Jun. 2017 07:59, "Scott Barnes"  wrote:

> I love that roadmap because it actually visualises the mess we live in
> today... so yeah... again.. is this really our best idea of the day?
> HTML/JS? :D
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Piers Williams  > wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a
>> good landscape overview
>>
>> On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
>>> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
>>> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
>>> these days?"
>>>
>>> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously
>>> get reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.
>>>
>>> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
 product suite.


 The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new
 features and bug fixes coming out regularly.

 Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
 frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
 say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.


 If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
 are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
 is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
 Show stopper bugs are unusual.


 Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say
 that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over
 Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
 further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
 web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
 date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
 Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
 don't even know what version it's at now.


 It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
 fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
 top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
 which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
 permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
 skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
 that will take you away from others.


 Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel
 like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as
 employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right
 path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might
 be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
 you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.

 That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.


 cheers

 Stephen



 --
 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 on behalf of Preet Sangha 
 *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self
 respecting Dev should know these days?

 Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
 doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?

 I've read 

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Preet Sangha]

Cheers piers. That's a hell of map.

On 23/06/2017 2:10 am, "Piers Williams"  wrote:

https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a good
landscape overview

On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
> these days?"
>
> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously get
> reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.
>
> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!
>
>
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
>> product suite.
>>
>>
>> The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new features
>> and bug fixes coming out regularly.
>>
>> Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
>> frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
>> say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.
>>
>>
>> If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
>> are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
>> is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
>> Show stopper bugs are unusual.
>>
>>
>> Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say
>> that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over
>> Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
>> further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
>> web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
>> date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
>> Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
>> don't even know what version it's at now.
>>
>>
>> It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
>> fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
>> top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
>> which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
>> permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
>> skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
>> that will take you away from others.
>>
>>
>> Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel
>> like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as
>> employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right
>> path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might
>> be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
>>  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
>> you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.
>>
>> That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.
>>
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
>> behalf of Preet Sangha 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting
>> Dev should know these days?
>>
>> Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
>> doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?
>>
>> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
>> seem to resonate as mature technology.
>>
>> On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:
>>>
 Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.

 But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to
 get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.

 "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
 framework, sql server.


 On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Hey Preet,
>
> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where
> "it" is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It
> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the
> Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in
> mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS
> framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what 
> I
> know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld 

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Tom Rutter]

I believe the problem got exponentially worse when we expected a "full
stack developer" to be good at everything

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Scott Barnes 
wrote:

> I love that roadmap because it actually visualises the mess we live in
> today... so yeah... again.. is this really our best idea of the day?
> HTML/JS? :D
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Piers Williams  > wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a
>> good landscape overview
>>
>> On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
>>> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
>>> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
>>> these days?"
>>>
>>> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously
>>> get reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.
>>>
>>> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
 product suite.


 The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new
 features and bug fixes coming out regularly.

 Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
 frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
 say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.


 If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
 are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
 is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
 Show stopper bugs are unusual.


 Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say
 that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over
 Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
 further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
 web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
 date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
 Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
 don't even know what version it's at now.


 It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
 fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
 top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
 which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
 permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
 skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
 that will take you away from others.


 Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel
 like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as
 employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right
 path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might
 be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
 you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.

 That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.


 cheers

 Stephen



 --
 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 on behalf of Preet Sangha 
 *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self
 respecting Dev should know these days?

 Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
 doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?

 I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
 seem to resonate as mature technology.

 On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:

> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:
>
>> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.
>>
>> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard
>> to get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.
>>
>> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
>> framework, sql server.
>>

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Scott Barnes]

I love that roadmap because it actually visualises the mess we live in
today... so yeah... again.. is this really our best idea of the day?
HTML/JS? :D

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Piers Williams 
wrote:

> https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a
> good landscape overview
>
> On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
>> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
>> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
>> these days?"
>>
>> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously get
>> reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.
>>
>> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>
>>
>> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
>>> product suite.
>>>
>>>
>>> The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new features
>>> and bug fixes coming out regularly.
>>>
>>> Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
>>> frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
>>> say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
>>> are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
>>> is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
>>> Show stopper bugs are unusual.
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say
>>> that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over
>>> Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
>>> further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
>>> web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
>>> date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
>>> Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
>>> don't even know what version it's at now.
>>>
>>>
>>> It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
>>> fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
>>> top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
>>> which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
>>> permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
>>> skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
>>> that will take you away from others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel
>>> like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as
>>> employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right
>>> path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might
>>> be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
>>>  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
>>> you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.
>>>
>>> That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
>>> on behalf of Preet Sangha 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>> *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self
>>> respecting Dev should know these days?
>>>
>>> Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
>>> doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?
>>>
>>> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
>>> seem to resonate as mature technology.
>>>
>>> On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:
>>>
 Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.

 regards,
 Preet, in Auckland NZ


 On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:

> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.
>
> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to
> get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.
>
> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
> framework, sql server.
>
>
> On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> Hey Preet,
>>
>> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where
>> "it" is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It
>> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not 

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Piers Williams]

https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a good
landscape overview

On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
> these days?"
>
> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously get
> reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.
>
> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!
>
>
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price  wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
>> product suite.
>>
>>
>> The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new features
>> and bug fixes coming out regularly.
>>
>> Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
>> frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
>> say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.
>>
>>
>> If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
>> are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
>> is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
>> Show stopper bugs are unusual.
>>
>>
>> Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say
>> that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over
>> Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
>> further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
>> web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
>> date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
>> Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
>> don't even know what version it's at now.
>>
>>
>> It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
>> fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
>> top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
>> which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
>> permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
>> skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
>> that will take you away from others.
>>
>>
>> Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel
>> like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as
>> employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right
>> path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might
>> be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
>>  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
>> you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.
>>
>> That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.
>>
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
>> behalf of Preet Sangha 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting
>> Dev should know these days?
>>
>> Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
>> doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?
>>
>> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
>> seem to resonate as mature technology.
>>
>> On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:
>>>
 Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.

 But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to
 get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.

 "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
 framework, sql server.


 On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Hey Preet,
>
> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where
> "it" is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It
> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the
> Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in
> mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS
> framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what 
> I
> know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about.
>
> If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Preet Sangha]

Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
these days?"

I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously get
reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.

Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!



regards,
Preet, in Auckland NZ


On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
> product suite.
>
>
> The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new features
> and bug fixes coming out regularly.
>
> Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
> frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
> say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.
>
>
> If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
> are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
> is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
> Show stopper bugs are unusual.
>
>
> Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say that
> it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over Web
> technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
> further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
> web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
> date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
> Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
> don't even know what version it's at now.
>
>
> It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
> fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
> top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
> which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
> permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
> skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
> that will take you away from others.
>
>
> Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel like
> work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as employers
> tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right path
> finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might be a
> much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
>  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
> you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.
>
> That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.
>
>
> cheers
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of Preet Sangha 
> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting
> Dev should know these days?
>
> Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
> doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?
>
> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
> seem to resonate as mature technology.
>
> On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:
>
>> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.
>>
>> regards,
>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>
>>
>> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:
>>
>>> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.
>>>
>>> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to
>>> get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.
>>>
>>> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
>>> framework, sql server.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Preet,

 Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where "it"
 is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It
 also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the
 Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in
 mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS
 framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what I
 know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about.

 If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not
 joking. :) If your reason is because you want to update and get back into
 it I'd say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget all
 that and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said
 earlier you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be 

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Stephen Price]

Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a product 
suite.


The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new features and 
bug fixes coming out regularly.

Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other frameworks 
that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie say WPF) then 
yeah you could say its less mature.


If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases are 
stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release is more 
stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month. Show stopper 
bugs are unusual.


Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say that it 
would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over Web 
technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you further 
dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop, web and 
mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to date, then 
you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on Angular 2 (about the 
time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I don't even know what 
version it's at now.


It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving fronts. The 
more time you have available the more of them you can keep on top off. I guess 
it comes down to your personal interests and goals on which you focus on. Which 
do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on 
one technology or like to spread your skills across many different 
technologies? If you do go deep on one, then that will take you away from 
others.


Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel like 
work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as employers tend 
to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right path finding out 
the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might be a much harder 
task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,  I've never seen two 
projects using identical technology stacks. Even when you compare two Angular 
projects, or whatever.

That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.


cheers

Stephen




From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Preet Sangha 
Sent: Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev 
should know these days?

Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone doing 
commercial projects in the portable technologies?

I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't seem to 
resonate as mature technology.

On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha" 
> wrote:
Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.

regards,
Preet, in Auckland NZ


On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C 
> wrote:
Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.

But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to get work 
in Melb with no Angular or React experience.

"Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity framework, 
sql server.


On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:
Hey Preet,

Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where "it" is 
mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It also depends on 
location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the Auckland market at all. 
In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in mvc, very little if any 
webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS framework. Same for Sydney. 
Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what I know (govt is usually a bit 
behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about.

If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not joking. :) 
If your reason is because you want to update and get back into it I'd say go 
hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget all that and get into 
Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said earlier you need to know 
your market too if you're wanting to be valuable (hireable).

Cheers

On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha  wrote:
Hi team,

Got Friday OT question for you all.  I started .net with the beta and used aspx 
all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 but about then I moved 
into doing more desktop development. I'd really like to dust off and polish my 
web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora of things that have sort of 
past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to name a few.

I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you could advise 
as the must have skills today!

Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type stuff, from 2010 
I did more Cubes and 

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Greg Keogh]

>
> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
> seem to resonate as mature technology.
>

It's slowly improving, and you get used to it. It's still faster and easier
to write C# and XAML than it would be to write and maintain wildly
differing native projects -- *GK*

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Preet Sangha]

Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?

I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
seem to resonate as mature technology.

On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:

> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:
>
>> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.
>>
>> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to
>> get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.
>>
>> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
>> framework, sql server.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Preet,
>>>
>>> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where "it"
>>> is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It
>>> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the
>>> Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in
>>> mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS
>>> framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what I
>>> know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about.
>>>
>>> If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not
>>> joking. :) If your reason is because you want to update and get back into
>>> it I'd say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget all
>>> that and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said
>>> earlier you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be valuable
>>> (hireable).
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>>>
 Hi team,

 Got Friday OT question for you all.  I started .net with the beta and
 used aspx all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 but
 about then I moved into doing more desktop development. I'd really like to
 dust off and polish my web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora of
 things that have sort of past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to name
 a few.

 I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you
 could advise as the must have skills today!

 Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type stuff,
 from 2010 I did more Cubes and SSRS BI stuff and for the past couple of
 years I've been doing pure legacy desktop C++/CLI/.Net so not a lot of
 webbie stuff at all :-)


 regards,
 Preet, in Auckland NZ


>

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Preet Sangha]

Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.

regards,
Preet, in Auckland NZ


On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:

> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.
>
> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard to get
> work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.
>
> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
> framework, sql server.
>
>
> On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> Hey Preet,
>>
>> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where "it"
>> is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It
>> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the
>> Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in
>> mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS
>> framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what I
>> know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about.
>>
>> If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not
>> joking. :) If your reason is because you want to update and get back into
>> it I'd say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget all
>> that and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said
>> earlier you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be valuable
>> (hireable).
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>> Got Friday OT question for you all.  I started .net with the beta and
>>> used aspx all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 but
>>> about then I moved into doing more desktop development. I'd really like to
>>> dust off and polish my web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora of
>>> things that have sort of past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to name
>>> a few.
>>>
>>> I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you could
>>> advise as the must have skills today!
>>>
>>> Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type stuff,
>>> from 2010 I did more Cubes and SSRS BI stuff and for the past couple of
>>> years I've been doing pure legacy desktop C++/CLI/.Net so not a lot of
>>> webbie stuff at all :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Preet Sangha]

Thank you. Well I have a couple of reasons - one is the remaining relevant
in case I need/want to change jobs, and the second is that I've done lots
of desk top work and I need a new challenge away from the desktop
programming. I've been playing with embedded/electronics/iot in my hobbies
for then past  year and the web ties up with it really well. So bit of both
really challenge and skills to sell.

In terms of cash - I have good amount of big business exp in
BI/Analytics/Cubes etc, but frankly been there and got the tshirt but
wouldn't want to retire there :-) But thanks for the recommendations.


> If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not
> joking. :) If your reason is because you want to update and get back into
> it I'd say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget all
> that and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said
> earlier you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be valuable
> (hireable).
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> Got Friday OT question for you all.  I started .net with the beta and
>> used aspx all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 but
>> about then I moved into doing more desktop development. I'd really like to
>> dust off and polish my web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora of
>> things that have sort of past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to name
>> a few.
>>
>> I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you could
>> advise as the must have skills today!
>>
>> Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type stuff, from
>> 2010 I did more Cubes and SSRS BI stuff and for the past couple of years
>> I've been doing pure legacy desktop C++/CLI/.Net so not a lot of webbie
>> stuff at all :-)
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>
>>

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[DotNet Dude]

Hey Preet,

Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where "it" is
mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It also depends
on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the Auckland market
at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in mvc, very little if
any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS framework. Same for Sydney.
Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from what I know (govt is usually a bit
behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about.

If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not joking.
:) If your reason is because you want to update and get back into it I'd
say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget all that
and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said earlier
you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be valuable
(hireable).

Cheers

On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> Hi team,
>
> Got Friday OT question for you all.  I started .net with the beta and used
> aspx all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 but about
> then I moved into doing more desktop development. I'd really like to dust
> off and polish my web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora of things
> that have sort of past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to name a few.
>
> I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you could
> advise as the must have skills today!
>
> Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type stuff, from
> 2010 I did more Cubes and SSRS BI stuff and for the past couple of years
> I've been doing pure legacy desktop C++/CLI/.Net so not a lot of webbie
> stuff at all :-)
>
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>