[ozmidwifery] A midwife is:

Reflections What is advanced or essential midwifery knowledge may depend on who your authority is. Know to be humble, realizing we are a part of a miracle, but not allowing ourselves to believe by action or thought that we are the miracle maker. Know our place, much like the birthing woman:

Re: [ozmidwifery] And this from the rural doctors!!!

Title: And this from the rural doctors!!! Thanks for passing this on. MM

[ozmidwifery] Midwifery today

Quote of the Week "Normal birth should become standard, saving technology for urgent, emergency situations."— Jill CohenThe Art of Midwifery First stage begins when the cervix is dilated to 4 cm. From that point on, the sun should not set twice on the woman. This is the maxim that was used

[ozmidwifery] Wisdom

Thought for the Day: "Your outer circumstances are but a reflection of your inner thoughts." Various authors

[ozmidwifery] helpful tip

The Art of Midwifery To turn a posterior baby: Have the woman lie on her left side with her left leg straight down and in line with her body and her right leg raised and brought up toward her face, head curled down toward knee. [I am short so having her place her knee on my shoulder is the

[ozmidwifery] The hard one.

Thought for the Day: "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: feeds in 24 hours....

Thanks for the great link, MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: first breastfeed

Joy Cocks wroteand we expect 1 wet nappy and 1 meconium stool in that time. What do you do if they don't pass urine or mec and how can one be sure that the urine it isn't mixed up with the mec?? In homebirth, the parents or I often don't see firm evidence of P/U until after 24hrs. I don't know

Re: [ozmidwifery] feeds in 24 hrs?

Jo wrote: Often if the baby is mucusy (causing reluctance to feed) they will unfortunately likely be given a stomach washout... I thought that the mucous contained glucose and that was why the 'mucousy babies' didn't feel hungry. I would be happy to have this clarified if I am wrong. I don't

Re: [ozmidwifery] Observations in labour

Title: Observations in labour Thank you Jackie for so clearly articulating the issues.cheers, MM

[ozmidwifery] More thoughts

Thought for the Day: "You will find as you look back upon your life that the moments when you have truly lived are the moments when you have done things in the spirit of love." Henry Drummond

[ozmidwifery] an interesting conclusion

Declining diagnosis of birth asphyxia in california: 1991-2000.Wu YW, Backstrand KH, Zhao S, Fullerton HJ, Johnston SC.Department of Child Neurology, Box 0136, University of California, San Francisco, 500 Parnassus Ave, Room 411, San Francisco, CA 94143-0136. [EMAIL PROTECTED]OBJECTIVE:

[ozmidwifery] 2 much fluid

I found this interesting as I once cared for a woman who drank 7Ltrs of reverse osmosis filtered water, in about 10 hrs during labour and SHE had the hyponatraemic seizure. Frightened the life out of me. No complications for either woman or child followed this event. MM J

Re: [ozmidwifery] Incidence of meconium

Hi Leanne, this can be a dilemma for us all, especially in homebirth. It is not common practice to suction on the peri as so many of our clients birth in water, the mec seems to be washed out rather than sucked in at birth. The more info we have to back up this non-interventionist practice, the

Re: [ozmidwifery] suctioning

Thanks for the collation of references. great information. thanks, MM

[ozmidwifery] C/S for non-med. reasons

Visit this site for an interesting interview. MM http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/494349?src="">

[ozmidwifery] Valuable Thoughts

Thought for the Day: "Loving people live in a loving world. Hostile people live in a hostile world. But it's the same world. How come?" Dr. Wayne Dyer

[ozmidwifery] wise words

Quote of the Week "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." — Linda Hes

[ozmidwifery] why can't they see it?

1. To induce or not to induce labor: a macrosomic dilemma-Gynecologic and Obstetric Investigation,vol 58, no 3, 2004, pp 121-125Simhayoff N; Sheiner E; Levy A; et al-(2004) We assessed the effect of labor induction among

Re: [ozmidwifery] Here 'tis!!

Yes! Yes! Yes! MM http://www.nt.gov.au/health/news/2004/new_era_maternity_services.pdf Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMProMid Professional Midwifery Education Service0419 528 717 btzhsepa.gifNetwork Blitz Bkgrd.gif

Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals

It would be very interesting to have some input from Sarah Buckley in regard to the effect on the womans own hormones and whether induction would be more successful if no "cold" epidural. MM

[ozmidwifery] FDA Cautions Against Ultrasound 'Keepsake' Images

Title: Bad Request The following web page from FDA may be of interest to you. Mary Murphy http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/104_images.html HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request Server: AkamaiGHost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 161 Expires: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:23:30

[ozmidwifery] Strength in unity

Quotable Quote WEEKLY FEATURE 2004.10.31 NEW! Just think what a powerful force we [midwives] could be if there was a worldwide statement on the rights of women... with signatories from as many countries as possible. —Henny Ligtermoet, 1998

Re: [ozmidwifery] FDA Cautions Against Ultrasound 'Keepsake' Images

Title: Bad Request I was trying to send the article on ultrasounds to the list. It looks like it didn't come through very well. I went to the Midwifery Today website http://www.midwiferytoday.com/and followed the link. It is really worth having as so many women think U/S is totally

[ozmidwifery] U/S article

Following the link I sent you I got the article and was easily able to print it off. Duh! Cheers, MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Conference in WA

a hard copy of the proceedings. Cheers, Mary Murphy Jo wrote: I would love to order a copy of the CD of the day with all of the info/references to present to my collegues at work... Can someone tell me where online we can get it from? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit

Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Conference in WA

Jo wrote:"THANKYOU AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YET ANOTHER WONDERFUL CONFERENCE." Thank your for the feedback Jo. We know it wasn't perfect and had a few glitches at times, but we all had a good time. Trying to keep things low cost so people can afford to attend, also places some restrictions

Re: [ozmidwifery] Coming to Oz!!!!!

Hi Julie, you will need to contact the Director of Midwifery Services, Jacquie Harris at the Community Midwifery Program: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and talk to her about it. It is not easy to slot in a few days on the CMP because of the nature of the program. cheers, M - Original Message -

[ozmidwifery] TV /homebirth

Dear Ozmid friends - A home waterbirth will be screened on ABC TV on Tuesday 26th October on "George Negus Tonight" at 6.30pm as a feature ofNational Homebirth Awareness Week.The GNT team followed the pregnancy of Jenny Smith from Waikiki WA, and filmed the homebirth ofbaby Bryce, in the

Re: [ozmidwifery] CS story

This is the 5th time I have received this tonight. Anyone else having the same problem? MM - Original Message - From: Kate /or Nick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] CS story Jo Remarkably calm!

[ozmidwifery] Quote

Quote of the Week "One labor and birth is worth volumes of theorizing."— Judith E. Luce

Re: [ozmidwifery] Experience of mothering

Thanks Joanne, this looks really interesting. Love M - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Experience of mothering FYI ENCOUNTER: Pondering All These

Re: [ozmidwifery] Uniting midwives midwifery students

You wrote . I think though, many midwives may be expending their energy to change things at their actual place of work rather than in a wider political forum I am not so sure about that Liz. For 20 yrs I have been trying to motivate midwives to change, working both from inside and outside the

[ozmidwifery] Bible

could we please stick to contemporary midwifery issues discussion? Have your dscussion about side issues off-line. thanks, MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] VE

Going right back to the beginning, I said that we should re-think V.e's Obviously I realise that they are a valuable tool when caring for women in labour. Again, we need to learn to diagnose labour correctly without relying on V.E's. Putting ones hand into the vagina and finding a long, thick,

Re: [ozmidwifery] VE

Hi Stacy, at the risk of being flippant, If you are doing a VE and you are feeling a long, thick cervix, you WILL know it. If you feel a long, thick cervix, I would question WHY you are doing a VE? What prompted you/anyone to think that you needed to do one? I think the whole thing about VEs

[ozmidwifery] from midwifery today

Quote of the Week "When a woman births at home, it is a demonstration of civil and medical disobedience that defies the medicalization of her body's normal function while it honors her inherent, amazing power." — Chantal Molnar

Re: [ozmidwifery] Caroline Flint

I believe the one I have is still current. email me off list I will pass it on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM - Original Message - From: Anne Clarke To: OZMIDWIFERY Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:03 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Caroline Flint Dear All,

[ozmidwifery] Morning sickness

Jo wrote Also, I was wondering if anyone had any bright ideas to fix morning sickness please!! I feel nauseous all the time - constantly... I don't actually vomit very often, but all I want to do is stay in bed and sleep through the nausea, because that is the only time I feel ok.-- Jjo,

[ozmidwifery] todays thought

Thought for the Day: "Don't let life discourage you; everyone who got where he is had to start where he was." Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: [ozmidwifery] measuring Hb during pregnancy

Andrea wrote:"... there is a widespread belief that this test (hb)can effectively detect anaemia and iron deficiency." The latest measure seems to be Ferritin and according to www.ironpanel.com.au this measures the iron stores in the marrow.Ironpanel says that "ferritin 15 means that a

Re: [ozmidwifery] floradix

My clients use it for better absorption of iron than FGF others, as well as lack of side-effects. I have a client who is German, has a PhD (in pathology I think ) she says the company that makes it is very ethical and has very high standards. i haven't ever checked it out form myself. It

Re: [ozmidwifery] West Today

This email was originally sent last Wednesday and is now coming in multiples - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] West Today Dear all I

Re: [ozmidwifery] Legal Advice

Sue wrote: simply working as a birth support person or friend, has ended in official complaints for supporting women's choices which may challenge the obstetric opinion of the day., they were very clear always that they understood the choices that they were making, there was no negative

Re: [ozmidwifery] casload practice

Yes, but my removal costs would be a bit prohibitive. MM Are there any midwives out there interested in working in a caseload practice in a private hospital setting? (Sunshine Coast QLD) Looking forward to hearing from you Lynne

[ozmidwifery] I wonder?

Quote of the Week "The question is not whether women have a choice, but are they willing to make a choice." Midwifery Today — Kim Wildner

Re: [ozmidwifery] repeating posts

My checker is also eradicating about 10 virus's a day. Mine seem to be coming from a travel agents list. I am also getting all the multiples. The cyber world is really strange. M I am suspecting the virus has attacked ozmid again! it seems to happen from time to time. There

Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness Day 2004

does anyone have any ideas why I would have received 10 copies of this email and 2 or 3 or frome others? My virus checker (symantec) is picking up at least 6 virus's a day. thanks, M

Re: [ozmidwifery] antenatal notes template

I certainly do, but don't have them on the computer. I would have to snail mail them to you. If you want to do that, email me off list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM Are there any independents out there who make their own version of the hand held notes? Or any ideas on where to find really

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

I have not been able to connect with this website.. anyone else have any luck? MM Have a look www.midwives.com.au

Re: [ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

I am getting very frustrated at being unable to locate this site! MM Yes I have had a look and it seems like it will be a really good website, very informative, once it is all up and running. Especially for midwives hoping to move to Australia Like me. Wendy I have

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

Jilly Rosser, A U.K. Midwife said in 1983: "midwifery used to be a vocation, now, sadly, it is just a job". MM

[ozmidwifery] Wise words

"We must attempt to tell the whole truth about birth, the truth that includes transformation, mastery, satisfaction, personal power, and the difference between pain and suffering."— Cheri Van Hoover The Art of Midwifery Even when a woman is feeling a little "pushy," she may be fully dilated

Re: [ozmidwifery] doulas

When i wrote that we can work together I meant that if the woman wants both types of care that we as professionals should be able to facilitate her needs without turf issues...That's what I meant too.MM

[ozmidwifery] Today's thought.

Thought for the Day: "You can complain because roses have thorns or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." Ziggy

[ozmidwifery] Viruses

I am being bombarded by viruses at the moment. (20 at last count in 24hrs) I have a great virus checker which is picking them up, but just thought I would warn you. MM

[ozmidwifery] Evidence based medecine

Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth on Scotland Island -Nthrn Sydney

Title: Homebirth on Scotland Island -Nthrn Sydney I'd love to, but it is a bit far! Love M - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth on Scotland Island -Nthrn Sydney Hi AllI

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vacancies in Perth

I don't know of any, but you could contact Robyn Collins at King Edward Memorial hospital, Bagot Road, SUBIACO, Western .Australia. 6008Can anyonesupply Robyn's title and perhaps email address? Also The Health Department of Western Australia, 189 Royal Street, East Perth.Western Australia.

[ozmidwifery] I like this one

Thought for the Day: "Every exit is an entry somewhere" Tom Stoppard

Re: [ozmidwifery] 4th degree tear

I too will be interested in any research re subsequent births. I have a woman who had a 4th degree tear and probems with a fissure for months. I know she will be terrified to have another baby and terrified of a C/S. there was quite a discussion on the list about a year ago (maybe?) but I didn't

Re: Jo, a rave and a vent- was Re: [ozmidwifery] Please explain CYOTEC??

On 10/8/04 Jen Semple posted some great websites. the http://www.maternitywise.org/guide/ site is the Cochrane data base and is very balanced on VBAC all other subjects. It is worth carrying a copy around and also sending a copy of the relevant chapter to those who say a midwife is being

Re: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness day 2004

Hi Jo, Could you contact me off list with a snail mail address please? [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] National Caesarean Awareness day 2004

[ozmidwifery] Oh so true!

Quote of the Week "We cannot birth our babies through sheer force of will. We need to learn the more subtle, the equally powerful, path of surrender." — Sarah J. Buckley

[ozmidwifery] midwifery heritage

For your interest. Recently received from the chronicler of family history. The plaque spoken of is very plain doesn't mention midwifery. "Hello Cousin Mary.. thank you for mutual interest in our forebare Mary Carroll/King the question as to your mothers and my great grand mother being a

[ozmidwifery] unrecognised pregnancy

Am I right in thinking I heard on national TV(Today Tonight) that the21 yr old girl who didn't know she was pregnant gave birth to a baby girl in the toilet, said "she came bum first fell in the toilet"? How's that for a successful natural breech birth without forceps to the after coming

[ozmidwifery] Quote

Thought for the Day: "No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit." Helen Keller

Re: [ozmidwifery] Book title

Thanks, I will wait patiently, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.

[ozmidwifery] Re:

It is a very mixed bag from state to state. i am sure someone will fill you in on the U.S. MM I am looking at childbirth in the US. I understand independent midwives are illegal (or were) - can anyone fill me in on this? Price FOXTEL Digital Installation On-Line Limited Offer

[ozmidwifery] Book title

Hi, I wish to buy a book called "Normal Childbirth: evidence debate" Ed. Soo Downe. Publisher:Churchill-Livingstone. Has anyone read it or know where I can buy it? thanks, MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Incoming message

Mine too. Don't open it. MM don't open this - my e-mail protection picked it up as a virus Sue Hi Natalie - I cannot open your attachment - are you able to send your message as a NON attachment (to me, anyway??!!). thanks very much, kindest regards, Nicole

Re: FW: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lobbying Update and Federal Election Campaign

Trish writes: -I also pointed him to WA and publicly funded homebirths with midwife entry to hospitals Yes we in W.A. have a publicly funded homebirth option (restricted to 150 births/yr) but sadly no midwife entry to hospitals other than as a support person. There is an avenue for midwives

Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti D problems..

There is a legal problem with the Poison's Act about administering certain drugs (Schedule 4) without a doctors order. Often it is not the obtaining of the drug, but the authority to use it that can cause problems. Check your state's Poison's Act. MM there is a company called Livingstone

Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti D problems..

Marilyn wrote: in fact we would have been breaking the law if we had attended a birth without emergency oxytocics and if we didn't have the knowledge about when to administer them emergently then we would never have been licensed.We would also be seen as and diciplined for being

Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti D problems..

! Warm regards,Lynne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti D problems.. There is a legal problem with the Poison's Act about administering certain drugs (Schedule 4) without

Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti D problems..

Hi Sue, even being legal doesn't help sometimes. A few months ago I had a woman whose doc had written the blood forms for a pprivqte path lab who had a weekend 24hr service in a private hospital. I had previously tee'd it all up... no problems! On Friday night after the baby was born I took the

Re: [ozmidwifery] Anti depressants

trace.Anecdotally, itaffects the amount of colostrum in the first half a day or so after birth (for the better!) Jo - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Anti

[ozmidwifery] Anti depressants

The newspaper had an article today about the effects of pre-natal anti depressants on the babies at or soon after birth, does anyone have any references for studies on these? any info on cypramil? thanks, MM

[ozmidwifery] Homebirth conference

The 23rd Australian Homebirth Conference: "Reclaiming normal childbirth: How and Why" Celebrate the Beauty and Power of Normal Birth. Will be held on 30 31 October 2004 at the Mandurah Gates Resort, Mandurah, Western Australia. Visit www.edsite.com.au/birth/index.html for information or

Re: [ozmidwifery] cracked nipples

Look into homoepathics... phytolacca; Grated carrot; Geranium leaves; but FIRST OF ALL CORRECT POSITIONING! breastmilk! Melissah Marr Forum Admin, Natural Parenting Magazine NaturalParenting.com.au# Natural Parenting Magazine # Articles # Message Forums # eCards #

[ozmidwifery] think about it

Thought for the Day: "He who angers you, conquers you." Elizabeth Kenny

Re: [ozmidwifery] Cervix position and labour duration

Hi Simone, altho I was very clear about my feelings after your first email, I too support treatment of back pain in pregnancy by either Bowen, Osteopathy, Chiro /or Massage. I just can't support the treatment you spoke of. Continue your good work, but maybe rethink the internal stuff? Cheers, MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Cervix position and labour duration

Lieve, this sounds like sexual assault, wrapped up in clinical language. I would consider him a predator. MM . During labor she told me she had visited an osteopath who did vaginal techniques on her. So he indeed did twice a vaginal touche. He calls himself an energetic osteopath.I made a

[ozmidwifery] Another thought

Thought for the Day: "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead

Re: [ozmidwifery] anyone have access to Blackwell Science?

I don't have a copy of this study, but have read it. Our service had a client who birthed very successfully after three prior C/S.I am not totally sure whether she had laboured previously tho. If I remember correctly she had a vac. extract, done by a very nervous Registrar. not totally

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Letters to the Ed - E-mail Addresses

Title: FW: Letters to the Ed - E-mail Addresses Just scroll down, they are in the body of the email. MM - Original Message - From: Geoff Louise Wightman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Letters to the

[ozmidwifery] thought for the day

Thought for the Day: "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson

[ozmidwifery] from Midwifery Today

Quote of the Week "It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her." — Judy Slome Cohain

[ozmidwifery] Theo Allan

I am needing to contact Theo (Alice Springs) as I have lost her snail mail address need to post her some documents. I have also lost her email address. can anyone assist? MM

[ozmidwifery] Theo Allan

I am needing to contact Theo (Midwife in Alice Springs) as I have lost her snail mail address need to post her some documents. I have also lost her email address. can anyone assist? MM

[ozmidwifery] Thoughtful.

Thought for the Day: "A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can let alone." Henry David Thoreau.If this is true, the obstetricians havethe potential to be rich beyond their dreams. MM

[ozmidwifery] 60 mins

Susan Cudlipp wrote:Well done Justine - it is to be hoped that at least some women watching will be more inspired by the images of your joyous birth than the images of women being cut open. At least they showed 'knife to skin' which is a moment that not many people can watch without

[ozmidwifery] Is Natural Birth a thing of the past?

Liam Bartlett is holding a forum on the above subject at 191 Adelaide Tce Perth on Friday 8.30 -12. Bookings a must. Call 92202909. Please spread the word. I am flat out with new mothers and babies and unable to attend. I hope there will be a crowd there. Cheers, MM

[ozmidwifery] Quote of the week

"The deadening of the sensory awareness of the body that occurs with the administration of regional anesthesia for birth not only threatens the memory of how to birth, but the part of the heart's energy that tells us we have the capacity to give birth."Judy Luce. midwifery Today eNews.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Orthodontist

Sheena Johnson wrote: I feel that if there is no obvious obstruction of labour and there are signs of progress, ie restitution, the shoulders follow the head etc.then we should probably not bother about removing the cord, what do others think? I agree, MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] urgent help for Another Victorian birthing unit

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] urgent help for Another Victorian birthing unit Hi Justine, I hope all is well with you your energetic little family! if you haven't already sent a copy of this to one of our M.C group in Perth, could you please send me one? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, mary M I would

Re: [ozmidwifery] Amnio-infusion

A senior resident at KEMHmentioned it to one of my clients as a possible answer to a worrying EFM strip in labour.Despite the drs reassurance that shehaddone it a couple of times before, my client refused as It is still an experimental proceedure as it has not been used very much. I am sure

[ozmidwifery] Quote of the week

"The unborn baby is truly a sentient and intelligent human being who has much to go through at birth. We owe it to future generations to change birth experiences to make birth an easier transition and a gateway to a fuller life."— Nick Owen -Midwifery Today

Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:

Is this link a legitimate one? I would hate to connect find I got a virus site. MM - Original Message - From: mail.bigpond.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE:

[ozmidwifery] urgent, addresses

Jo Fisher in Queensland is urgently seeking the contact addresses for Sally Tracy NSW Roz Donellin-Ferdinand(?spelling) S.A. If anyone can assist, pleaseemail the list and Jo will pick it up when she gets home from work. Thanks, MM

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