Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-18 Thread sally @ home
- From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff Choice is an interesting concept: if we trulysupport choice then surely even 'bad' choices should be respected? One of our

Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff Dear Sue and all What an amazing thread!! Choice is the key. The choices that are respected and funded are those that prop up the medical monopoly of the big business of birth. So all you wonderful midwives out there, start/keep saying

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Stephen Felicity
afraid to get REAL. Political correctness has no place in birth and nor does beauracracy. - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff Choic

RE: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Roberta Quinn
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff From: Susan Cudlipp "The reply was 'I DONT CARE- I WANT TO BE INDUCED' How can the ob refuse in this instance?" In my experience, many women don't understand that being induced can result in a very different birthing experience for

RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Nicole Carver
Hi Emily, Good on you! As far as induction and c/s on demand the rule of weighing up the benefits vs risks still applies. Some women's emotional state may make it sensible although regrettable, to concur with their wishes. However, if you have been caring for a woman throughout her

Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Jennifairy
Susan Cudlipp wrote: Choice is an interesting concept: if we truly support choice then surely even 'bad' choices should be respected? Yeah see this is where a persons rights as a medical consumer gets tricky. How do we define 'bad' choices whilst being

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Susan Cudlipp
- Original Message - From: Stephen Felicity To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff "if we trulysupport choice then surely even 'bad' choices should be respected?" W

Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Susan Cudlipp
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff My point here was that this woman DID have this explained very carefully by a patient ob who did not want to induce her, and still she wanted it done. And we see so often those who come in time and time again trying very hard to get induced - some women

Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Andrea Robertson
One aspect of choice that needs to be considered is that even when all the pros and cons are weighted carefully and a very informed choice is made, there is no guarantee that the option chosen will prove to be the best in the final analysis. Mistakes can still be made and decisions thought to

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Lynne Staff
Hi Emily, Could you please email me off list? Re your supervisor's request. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff hi all i have

RE: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Roberta Quinn
On the contrary, very well said. -Original Message- From: Andrea Robertson This is a tricky area - informed choice is really a myth, as so many vested interests come into play, but we must support women once they have made a considered decision. To do less would be to undermine her

Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread MH
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuffMy point here was that this woman DID have this explained very carefully by a patient ob who did not want to induce her, and still she wanted it done. And we see so often those who come in time

Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-17 Thread Judy Chapman
So true Andrea. Many years ago a woman consented to be admitted with a transverse lie at term but rejected any treatment. She was a mulipara. Many times over the next week the dangers were explained (such explanation was well documented) and she declined CS. Finally she consented and it was

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread Emily
hi all i have just finished the 'obstetrics' term of my course and over the 9 weeks i repetitively brought up my disgust with the use of CTGs against all the very high quality evidence that is out there against them, that noone refutes they just ignore. the wonderful obstetrician who was my

RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread adamnamy
the docs to intervene than to not interfere. Amy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emily Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:49 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff hi all i have just finished the 'obstetrics

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread Janet Fraser
I'd love a copy of that for the JB website, Emily, if you'd like to share and I'd love all your refs What you're describing in terms of "maternal choice" really needs a feminist critique to allow us to manage those "choices" in ways which are not harmful to women. Since induction and

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread Emily
zmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:26 AMSubject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuffI'd love a copy of that for the JB website, Emily, if you'd like to share and I'd love all your refsWhat you're describing in terms of "