Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread abby_toby
but this will no longer be the case with compulsory continuous EFM for all Syntocinon Inductions. I can see Caesarians yet further on the increase at our hospital. Linda Hi, I find the whole idea of a procedure being compulsory as absolutely ludicrous!! You can't make a medical

[ozmidwifery] Food for thought......

2006-06-16 Thread abby_toby
The use of involuntary hospitalization or any other form of forced treatment is perhaps the most controversial issue in the wider mental health community, pitting family members, citizen advocacy groups, professionals and consumers against one another on the subject. In addition, legal

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread abby_toby
Therein lies the problem with management of birth...all women, babies and births are not the same, so if everyone caring for the woman and baby does the same thing, how can this possibly be considered appropriate evidence based care? That is such and excellent and valid point. Also,

Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Lisa Barrett
- Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used? Oh Jo, I forgot to say that the lovely Ob also said if you are not going to

Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Lisa Barrett
- Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used? Hi Jo, Policies are apparently to make the midwife feel better and to get

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Bowman Family
Abby, I agree with you, the proceedure should not be compulsory and I will take this up with colleagues, women should be given the right to choose if they want this, and I suppose the best way to go is what Emily has suggested and explain to the mother and write it in their notes if they choose

[ozmidwifery] using a baby sling after C-section

2006-06-16 Thread Päivi Laukkanen
Hi, I was asked by a woman if she can wear a babysling two weeks after her c-section. She was told not to carry anything hevier, than the child for six weeks and has asked me since we sold the hug-a-bub baby sling for her earlier. Before I answer her, I thought I'd ask you midwives first.

Re: [ozmidwifery] using a baby sling after C-section

2006-06-16 Thread Jo Watson
I would say that would be the best way to carry the baby, as the load will be closest to her body, therefore the lightest.HTHJoOn 17/06/2006, at 4:27 AM, Päivi Laukkanen wrote:Hi, I was asked by a woman if she can wear a babysling two weeks after her c-section. She was told not to carry anything

RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Jo Bourne
A friend of mine gave birth in a popular private Sydney hospital a few weeks ago, was induced (her choice, against OBs preference, amazingly he doesn't like to induce before 41w) - 2 doses of gel, ARM, synto. The only EFM was one trace at the start of the process. The midiwife caring for her

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Janet Fraser
Yes EFMs are shown to cause c-secs and not protect even vulnerable babies against brain damage - the purported reason for using them in the first place! The solution is not to train staff more in using them because that is based on an entirely false premise but that's what RANZCOG promotes - see

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread Emily
hi all i have just finished the 'obstetrics' term of my course and over the 9 weeks i repetitively brought up my disgust with the use of CTGs against all the very high quality evidence that is out there against them, that noone refutes they just ignore. the wonderful obstetrician who was my

RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread adamnamy
It would be good if we could change the ordinary persons thinking from intervention is necessary to save lives and prevent bad outcomes- and that the trade- offs are minimal to the truth about how dangerous and ineffective they can be and how choosing one often means setting yourself up

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Janet Fraser
So there are hospitals around where it is possible. I think in most cases it's that there are individual staff, nothing to do with the institutions. Some women have great births in some hospitals and for others the same place is a bloodbath. It's the staff you fluke on the day that have the

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread Janet Fraser
I'd love a copy of that for the JB website, Emily, if you'd like to share and I'd love all your refs What you're describing in terms of "maternal choice" really needs a feminist critique to allow us to manage those "choices" in ways which are not harmful to women. Since induction and

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Jo Bourne
It's true, there is a lot of pot luck involved for consumers, it is certainly what scares me about hospitals. But in this case I am pretty sure that the only policy was for an initial trace because the midwife was fairly clearly out of her comfort zone and didn't pull out the it's policy

RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Roberta Quinn
That birthing experiences vary so drastically as a result of individual staff is reason to advocate for returning the power and control of birth to birthing women. This, not policy, will help ensure that all women and babies have the best chance for a truly great birth. But it's institutions as

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread sally @ home
You know, a lot of the time I feel trapped between a rock and hard place!! I know that what has been said is not a personal attack, but working in the system (and how bad am I for succumbing to that?) makes me, by default, part of the problem. This I find very hard. I worked for 14 years as an

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

2006-06-16 Thread Emily
www.joyousbirth.info Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the JB website please? Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To:

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

2006-06-16 Thread Lisa Barrett
Hi Sally, I'm sorry if you feel offended or upset by any discussion on this forum, I'm sure no-one intentionally does that because part of the joy of it is we are all able to talk without prejudice. Thank god there are midwives like you working your butts off to help women get the best