Do we need to do the casting or is it just for demo?
b = (char*)a; // This is called a CAST
b = a should be fine.
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Oops sorry didn't realise it is unsigned char and char ...
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I think it may have something to do with the Save behind flag (can be set in
constructor for CW). I am not sure (haven't done palm programming for
awhile). May be someone can give you better advice.
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I remove the Debug Bullets and got 16-bit out of range error messages...
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Reducing Application Size...
Huh...I
Hi, when I turn on the Palm by pressing the power button, I see a glitch on
the serial tx. pin. This is a problem for me because it trigger my external
device and cause it to wake up. Is there anyway I can prevent the glitch?
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I find the people here very helpful. If you ask sensible questions people DO
help. If you find that people never help you, probably because you are
asking some really basic things. If you think it is not right to tell
people to go and read manuals, I think you probably haven't done any
studying
Hi,
ERROR_CHECK_LEVEL only determines whether the ErrDisplay(),
ErrFatalDisplayIf() etc. functions will be called or not, other errors that
causes the OS to have problem will always be showed.
The ErrDisplay() etc. functions are used for debugging, while the error you
get actually means that it
Right click on your Emulator and select properties, then you can choose
which COM port to use. Than simply connect the COM port you have selected
to the other COM port for the PC.
Am I answering your question or do you need something else?
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Hi Aaron,
Thanks for your reply, but I cannot open the link?
Regards,
Jacky
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Subject: Re: FrmHelp and bitmap
Is there anyway
Hurry up Aaron, I want the release version!!!
: )
Jacky
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Subject: RE: FrmHelp and bitmap
Thanks for your reply, but I
Palm OS Referense says FrmGetObjectPtr returns a void pointer. So try
declaring lst as void* instead of ListPtr.
Hope this helps.
Jacky
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Did you set the save behind attribute to true?
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Subject: why my form shows up as transparent form?Please help.
Hello
Try setting the save behind bit and see what happens. I had the same
problem when I didn't set the bit.
Jacky
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Subject: Re:
I suggest putting it in a global variable i.e. call
ChrNumericSpace(nspace), where nspace is a global, so you can use it
whenever u want.
Hope this helps.
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Hi, I have a menu bar for my application but it crashes in the emulator when
I press on an item of the menu bar (I got the 'Application has just read
from an unallocated chunk of memory' error). However, if I access the menu
item using the graffiti shortcut or in real device, no problem. Any
So how did you do it actually? I just use FrmCopyTitle() to do that.
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Subject: Form Titles
I want to change the title of a
Hi, why is that when I select editable for a field, the left justified
checkbox is checked automatically and cannot be changed? Does it mean that
we can't have a field that is editable and right justified? Will I have any
problem if I set in to right justified in my code?
Thanks.
Jacky
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Hope this help.
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I think you have to use a pop up trigger instead.
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Subject: Combo Box in CodeWarrior
Hi..
Does CodeWarrior GUI provides for combo
So what are we suppose to put in the frmUpdateEvent? If everything work
fine without it, how do we know what to put in the handler (except handle =
true)?
Thanks.
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001
Hi, please try this
http://www.fourmilab.ch/palm/pdbmake/
Jacky
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Subject: pdb compiler
Hi,
I was wondering if there is any tool which
Or if you are using C, disable you C++ compiler option in the project
setting should help.
Jacky
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Subject: RE: "void to char
??
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:09 PM
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Subject: RE: pdb compiler
Hi, please try this
http://www.fourmilab.ch/palm/pdbmake/
Jacky
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Subject: RE: pdb compiler
Yes I have use it and I modified the source code to put it it my
application. I am not sure what u mean by 'create different fields in the
text file
Forum
Subject: Re: Strange character sent in OS2
Yep, its a known 'feature'. The character (either a backspace or delete, I
can't remember) is only sent when the port is opened. The good news is it
was fixed in devices with OS = 3.0
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under OS 2.0
B) make your app for OS = 3.0. Don't allow it to run on OS 2.0
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: Strange character sent in OS2
Thank
Use StrIToA(userID). But remember to allow memory for your character string
first.
Jacky
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Subject: how to assign Char* to
sorry, it is StrAToI()
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To: 'Palm Developer Forum'
Subject: RE: how to assign Char* to Int16
Use StrIToA(userID). But remember to allow memory for your character string
first
Hi, when I run my application on a real palm with os2, an additional
backspace character (ASCII 8) is sent when I send data through the serial
port, (using SerSend). Does anyone know why is that?
Thanks.
Jacky
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Also, make sure you are not overflowing the stack. You have a pretty large
array (strint_buf) and changing something 'totally unrelated may cause you
to run out of stack space?
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Define a struct with the three fields:
eg.
typedef struct Person
{
UInt8 Age;
char Name[20];
char Occupation[20];
}
And store the structure in the database.
Regards,
Jacky Cheung
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Use MemPtrNew or MemHandleNew instead of using local variables.
Jacky
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Subject: stack overflow
Hi all,
I am running into some
Yes, it is documentated in FrmDrawForm (I just read it). But what do you
mean by draw? Does it include using FrmHideObject and FrmShowObject etc.?
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In my experience, some palm cannot fit into some of the cradles as they have
different shapes.
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Subject: cradle issue
Hello all,
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From: jacky Cheung
To: Palm Developer Forum
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: Problem with Conduit
I have built a conduit but it doesn't seem to do anything during a sync
(not appearing in the log file). It appears on the Conduit list.
Could someone give advice please
I have built a conduit but it doesn't seem to do anything during a sync
(not appearing in the log file). It appears on the Conduit list.
Could someone give advice please?
Regards,
Jacky
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Hi,
What happen if I have a string that is longer than one List item can
display? Will it cause problem?
Can I still put it into the list if truncating the string is alright?
Thanks.
Jacky
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Hi,
Where I can find out what the contents of link map file means? eg.
Initialized near data ...
Thanks.
Jacky
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You need to call MemHandleUnlock for each of your handles stored in
AllItem[] and MemHandleFree after you have finished with the the list (but
don't free it before you finish).
Hope this helps.
Jacky
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Do you always switch to the second form after you insert the data? If so,
can you grab the data and save it (using global of global pointer), switch
to the second form first and then insert it?
Jacky
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Subject: Re: Memory leaks
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Sorry I am not sure where it is for Lite as I don't have it here. It is
on
the menu bar for CW7.
Does anyone know?
CW PalmOS Lite should have this. Yo
Subject: RE: Memory leaks
Thanks for your reply, but where do I find Palm-Open Debug Console?
I am using Code Warrior Lite.
Manal
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Cheung
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 9:05 PM
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You can uncheck 'frame' checkbose so that the button has no frame. So the
button to have the same size as the bitmap and put
the bitmap on it. You will get a 'bitmap button'.
Hope this helps.
Jacky
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Are the space in the string buffer?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:27 PM
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Subject: how to break up string of buffer
I've have a string of buffer eg, 5 2 1 5 3 4
5
I guess you can just call FrmGotoForm(MainForm) if you click OK. It will
work like if you are entering your main form from another form.
Jacky
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Milad
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:07 AM
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To open the console window, click on Palm-Open Debug Console...
then type in hd 0 and press enter.
Hope this help.
Jacky
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Milad
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Same, I now don't treat any "Urgent" message as urgent anymore.
This is bad.
Jacky
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Subject: RE: Urgent!!!
I hope the folks
I may be wrong but I think if fldP is empty, you may get error when you do
StrLen(NULL) (I have this problem before).
But FldGetTextLength should work fine.
Jacky
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By the way, if it is impossible for you to move your code towards the
beginning (eg. you may cause problems for other files),
you may consider writing function such as:
Long MUL(Long a, Long b)
{
return a*b;
}
which is put closer to the beginning and your code can call this function
instead.
Is this what you want?
button = FrmAlert(AttentionAlert);
if (button == 0)// 0 is eg. OK button if OK is the first button
// do something
else (button == 1) // 1 is eg. cancel button if cancel is the second button
// do something else
Hope this help.
Jacky
Hi, I remember that there was a discussion on how to find memory leak. I am
sorry I can't remember the name of the person who wrote the good article
about it, but I have read it and have some questions.
I use the code shown below to detect a memory leak. In the FMainForm, my
program basically
By the way, regarding the previous 'Memory leak' message, I use database
which is initialized at the start of the application.
Jacky
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Thanks Danny, the leak goes away when I do FrmCloseAllForms before exit.
So am I actually leaking memory if I don't do the FrmCloseAllForms?
Jacky
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Subject: Re: Memory leak
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Thanks Danny, the leak goes away when I do FrmCloseAllForms before exit.
So am I actually leaking memory if I don't do the FrmCloseAllForms?
Yes, b
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Thanks Danny
In Palm Reference document pg.186 on CtlShowControl, it says
"Do not use this function directly, instead use FrmShowObject..."
Why is that? what's the problem with CtlShowControl?
Thanks,
Jacky
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So what would actually happen if the 64K segment limit is reached? How can
I know if this has been reached? (I have a prc file of 75K but seems to run
fine) I am worrying that problem may happen for some palm but not the other.
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use StrAToI - please see Palm OS Reference
eg. interger = StrAToI(temp);
Jacky
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Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: urgent!!convert char to int
i need to convert a string
PalmOS SDK reference shows that FrmGetObjectPtr returns a void* but tableP
in your code is a TableType*, so
the compiler isn't happy. U need to declare tableP as void* or do a type
casting. (U will not have such a problem if you use C instead of C++).
Hope this help.
Jacky
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Does anyone know why a selection highlight could be drawn out of a list?
Occasionally, there is a 'highlight" below my list after I add a new row.
(but the selection hightlight within the list is working fine).
The 'highlight out of the list does not responds to anything or just work as
nothing
Could you let me know what is the migration-to-3.5 process? I get lots of
error when compiling, and I set the access path to (system path) to
(Compile)Palm OS 3.5 Support + changing the data types. It now compiles,
but I still have two problems:
- I still get the 'software developed using
I just upgrade from CodeWarrior Lite to Version 7 and I get lots of errors
when I tried to build my old project. I have changed the data types (eg
Short to Int16).
I am getting declaration syntax error and illegal constant expression such
as:
mslconfig line 239 _STD::__msl_error(const char*
I have just upgraded from CodeWarrior Lite to Version 7. However, I still
get the message saying that my software was created using CW Lite when I
start my application. How can I get around it?
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I am not sure if \0 after Test message will be stored in DB (as u use
StrLen()). So when do StrPrintF in read, it doesn't know where to stop.
Jacky
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I thought that we need to return handled = true whenever we have handled the
event properly, but I found that if I return true for frmCloseEvent, I need
to do FrmEraseForm or the form will not be erase. However, I don't need to
erase the form if I return false. Also for ctlRepeatEvent, it
Thanks. I get it now.
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Subject: Re: A novice question - When do I need to return handled =
true?
"Jacky Cheung" [EMAIL
Hi,
Hope this help
case fTableEditPMorePopTrigger:
LstSetTopItem(IDtoObject(fTableEditLMoreList),0); // set up the list
LstSetSelection(IDtoObject(fTableEditLMoreList),0); // ..
switch(event-data.popSelect.selection)
{
case 0:
When you try to unlock a handle that is not locked.
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Subject: Chunk under lock
Hello,
What causes chunk under lock error
When will cause the SerErrLineErr when doing SerReceiveWait? I don't get
this error in the palm emulator (0S3.0 ROM) but it keep giving me this error
in the real palm.
Please help, I am really stuck.
Thanks.
Jacky
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Do I have to make sure that no data is coming into the serial port when I am
closing it (calling SerClose())?
It keeps crashing my program when I close it before I tell the sender to
stop. But I am not sure if this is the problem.
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Does anyone know what can cause the SerClose() function to crash the
program? It doesn't happen all the time, but only sometimes.
Thanks.
Jacky
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I have an application that use SerReceiveCheck() to see if there is any data
on the serial port before receiving it. In Emulator, it gives 0 when I
don't send anything to the serial port. However, when I put it in a real
palm, it always give a number greater than zero. Any know why? (I have a
What do you have in your 'previous form' eventHandler? especially for the
frmOpen case?
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Subject: I couldnt solve problem.. Why It's
Thanks. What is a linker map file and where can I find it?
Jacky
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Subject: RE: When do know it's too big?
By
In constructor, open the alert resource, click on Item text 0, then go to
edit and select 'New Button title'. You will get a new button.
When you call FrmAlert(..), it will return the button number when one of the
button is pressed.
Jacky
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Is there anyway to change the popup trigger label at runtime? or select one
of the list item without getting the user to select it manually? What I
want to do is to make the trigger to display the same item after it comes
back from another form.
Thanks.
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How about setting the usable field of the BUTTONs to false after selection?
Jacky
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Subject: Popping up a list from a button
I am using a repeating button to do continuous increment of a number in my
application. However, when I press the button (in emulator), I get several
ctlRepeatEvent
very quickly (the number increment very fast) instead of every 1/2 as
indicated by the reference manual. What would the problem
Actually, this may be the more proper way to do it. You may set the list
item text in codewarrior constructor.
case popSelectEvent:
{
switch (event-data.popSelect.controlID)
{
case fTableEditPstringPopTrigger:
Thanks. But the problem is even when I hide it, it still response to a
button press.
However, if I miss out the last line CtlSetEnabled(), then it will not
response to the button press.
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Subject: Re: Unable to disable a control button
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I tried to disable a control button by using
CtlSetEnabled( , false);
de for one of the Palm games
(e.g., HardBall or Reptoids) to see how that is handled.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Unable to disable a control
I tried to disable a control button by using
CtlSetEnabled( , false);
Myfunction();
CtlSetEnabled( ., true);
but when I press the button during the execution of Myfunction(), the system
still respond to the button I pressed during that time after Myfunction()
has finished.
Any idea?
Where can I find the MSL Runtime Palm OS (2i).lib file needed for
segmentation? It is not on my computer. I am using CodeWarrior Lite for
Palm OS.
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I get a Link Error saying that an EventHandler 16-bit code reference to a
function is out of range. Does anyone know what the problem is and how I
can get around it?
Thanks.
Jacky
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At 01:26 PM 12/13/2000, Jacky Cheung wrote:
I get a Link Error saying that an EventHandler 16-bit code reference to a
function is out of range. Does anyone know what the problem is and how I
can get around it?
This should definitely be in the knowledge base, so have a look there for
more details
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