Re: [PAYCO] SAd news
Comrade Fikiswa Pls contact cde Sebenzile for lift at 0713501073 or sms your contacts to me (0710203554). -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Fikiswa Ntshwanti fikis...@gmail.com To: payco payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:45:57 AM GMT+0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] SAd news Izwe lethu MaÁfrika amahle. Ndicela ilift kwabayayo from Gauteng. On 12 November 2014 11:26, chargein...@gmail.com wrote: Comrades, The funeral of comrade Clarence Mayekiso (Hadebe) will be held at the Roman Catholic Church in town, Port Shepstone in KZN on Saturday, 15 November 2014: Hamba kakuhle, son of the soil! You have served, suffered and sacrificed for the African Cause. Izwe Lethu -- Sent from my Nokia phone -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] SAd news
Comrades, The funeral of comrade Clarence Mayekiso (Hadebe) will be held at the Roman Catholic Church in town, Port Shepstone in KZN on Saturday, 15 November 2014: Hamba kakuhle, son of the soil! You have served, suffered and sacrificed for the African Cause. Izwe Lethu -- Sent from my Nokia phone -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] SAD NEWS
Comrade Clarence Mayekiso (Hadebe)-former PASO Secretary-General-is late. Death has, once again, robbed us a great fighter. He passed away yesterday afternoon after short illness. He phoned me at 13:00 sounding well and 2hours later he was at Thembisa hospital. It's schocking! Izwe Lethu! Charge-in Mabaso 0710203554 -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: chargein...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com,makina...@cput.ac.za,zolime...@gmail.com,mojalefa.mok...@arcelormittal.com,emntsan...@gmail.com,jazal...@yahoo.com,lungi...@webmail.co.za,peterser...@gmail.com,pmawe...@gmail.com,vra...@gmail.com,phillambel...@gmail.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2014 4:14:36 AM GMT+ Subject: Re: [PAYCO] The 27th--28th September Conference Report Comrades, There are some PAC members who are going around busy holding secret meetings with PAM members desguised as unity talks in line with cde Fihla's advice in one of his emails. In those meetings, instead of talking about unity, they beg PAM members to join PAC branches as individuals. The latest meeting was called by Acting PAC President, Mbinda in Cape Town this week. A president of another party stoops so low! It's mischievious and dishonest to do so. He got what he deserves.. His nefarious plan did not work. Instead, it backfired. It means PAC members are undermining the intellect of PAM members. It is not PAM that wants this unity so desperately, but PAC. Let's not fool each other on this one. We are happy where we are. It is PAC which has many parallel structures, not PAM. We are only interested in unity of genuine Pan Africanists in South Africa in line with 1st Aim of PAC of 1959: To rally and unite the African people into one national front..., not with PAC reformists, careerists and opportunists. That is all we are interested in. We know uniting with current reformist PAC that has off-ramped from the revolutionary path is going to be a nightmare. It is already a nightmare for genuine PAC members now. Current developments and our experience are a bady testimonyy to our fears. We have not forgotten the way we were manhandled in PAC. ONCE BEATEN TWICE SHY! We know we are being invited to go into the Dingane's kraal so that history can repeat itself. Certain PAC member will agree with me. Izwe Lethu! -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com To:
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
Comrades, Former US President, John F Kennedy rightly said, Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable . His powerful advice was not taken serious by his successors up to Obama. In effect, they defied him. When Gaddafi and Assad in Libya and Syria, respectively, ask for dialogue, US led imperialism looked aside and bombed them. The current international politics is biased to interests of US-led imperialism. Typical example are: 1. Nuclear crisis in Iran and North Korea. India, Israel and Pakistan test their and US is just winking, 2. Iraq invaded Kuiwait and US retariated and liberated Kuwait. Israel bombed Gaza while US was busy winking, 3. Crimea called for a referendum to break from Ukraine and condomned by US led imperiialism. Tommorrow Scoland goes for referundum to break from UK. America is again winkng, 4. US-led imperialism condomns Russia for supporting pro Russian rebels in Ukraine when same imperialists are supporting militarily Ukraine government and rebels in Syria in broad daylight. The same ISIS and Al Qaeda are product of US support. 5. The list is endless. South Africa must take the advice seriously. If nonviolent revolution cannot resolved the National Question (Land and Economic Question), violent revolution is inveitable in SA. Malema knows this fact and is exploiting it for his own agenda. Our country cannot afford to follow suite of what is happening worldwide after our bad experience with Apartheid regime's destruction in our lifetime. It doesnt whether is ANC government in power, it's our government. When crisis erupts, African people will have no option but to stand up in great numbers and join the revolutionary camp as they did to Apartheid, just like in Eastern Ukraine. What happened in Palstine, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq and Libya will be like a picnic compared to SA crisis. Spontaniety of the masses in marakana, SANDF strike, services delivery protests, etc sent clear signals to all serious-minded leaders. Associated militancy says it all. Killing PAC will not stop the revolution path SA must take. SA government must also be clear where it stands in international politics, either with or against US-led imperialism. Stop being dubious! Fence-sitters are always on the line of cross fire. Third World War is on the cards under current developments in the world. Remember: when two elephants fight (US Russia), it is the grass that suffers most. Izwe Lethu! When -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
Comrade Gift My first input on this discussion was that to rescue PAC from current maximum infiltration is to take extraordinary actions unfortunately at a human cost. I agree with you totally in your sentiments. PAC has been hijacked from us at gun point. We cannot get it back to us without a bitter fight. -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
The enemy is prepared even to bomb genuine PAC members who will win the fight at the end group with Hamas, Zanu-PF, ISIS, etc. Nato may here already to deal with genuine PAC members. But, the kind of action -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference
Comrades Removal of Clause 14 (Democratic Centtralism) is suicidal. This is clause encompasses democratic centralism and collective leadership intended to uproot factionalism and ensure unity and cohesion. Its violation does not warrant its removal from Disciplinary Code. Comrades should remember annual confereces do not adopt amendments but make recommendations to the supreme organ (highest decision making) of the Party - the National Congress- for adoption. Failing which, such amendments are unconstitutional, invalid and illegal Izwe Lethu! Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:55:50 PM GMT+0200 Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference Tshwane lobbies your support. In the coming conference. -- Forwarded message -- From: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Date: Aug 4, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference To: Narius Moloto s...@pac.org.za, DSG @ PAC d...@pac.org.za Cc: Admin @ Pac ad...@pac.org.za, Tumediso Modise tumimod...@hotmail.co.za, mashao reuben mashao.reu...@gmail.com, Lekgathi 0825164...@vodamail.co.za, Albert Mokoena mokoen...@workmail.co.za Dear Secretary General In response to the updated conference notice dated 01 August 2014, the Tshwane Region hereby submit the proposed resolution for the Annual National Conference of 26 - 28 September 2014. The region submits two discussion documents (proposed resolutions) namely *Delegation of Authority Code* and* Public Office Secondment Code*. The region believes that the lack of regulations around this area is main source of conflict. Furthermore, the Tshwane Region hereby adds an agenda point:* removal of democratic centralism section (clause 14) of the disciplinary code*. The region believes that this clause can be replaced be a new code such as the delegation of authority code. Revolutionary regards, Sbusiso Xaba Tshwane Regional Chairman -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: focused practical action
Comrades, People who are genuine about the unity of the Party are not concerned about having unity talks with PAM. Currently, there are ongoing unity talks between PAM and PAC in Eastern Cape and Western Cape. The recent unity talk between PAM and PAC led to PAM members invited to attend yesterday's reburrial in Lady Frere of PAC cadre who died in exile. The reburial was addressed, among others, by PAC President Mphethi, comrade Makwetu, and Teenage Nyhontso. Unity of PAC and PAM was emphasized at reburial by all speakers. It must be noted that not all members of both PAC and PAM want unity of two parties for different reeasons best known to them. It must be also noted that many PAM members are skeptical about these unity talks because of our past experience with some PAC membes. I personally survived many assassination attempts in the process. We are taking a serious risk about these talks having that in our subconscious mind because of love for PAC. Our love for PAC may blind us to fall in a trap of finding ourselves one day in Dingane's kraal. That is why we treat this talks as a minefield. We are not prepared to rejoin PAC as individuals. We left PAC not as individuals. If our position is not acceptable to PAC, we are willing to end the talks before we enter to unholy marriage of convimience. PAM can survive on its own in SA politics. EFF proved many skeptics wrong in this regards. PAM can do it too. Izwe Lethu! -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com To: Mbulelo Raymond mrfihl...@gmail.com Cc: isa...@diplomatsa.co.za,Johnson Mlambo river.mla...@telkomsa.net,tyamza...@yahoo.com,po...@yahoo.com,david mabitsela mabitselada...@gmail.com,pasmapresid...@gmail.com,joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com,pacmogalec...@gmail.com,bulanng...@gmail.com,znyam...@gmail.com,tumimod...@hotmail.co.za,payco@googlegroups.com,takalaniligeg...@gmail.com,Mapula Nkoana mapulankoan...@gmail.com,sndam...@pac-cape.org.za,Malesela Mogashwa icuworkersun...@gmail.com,phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za,pacaza...@webmail.co.za,patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za,dud...@webmail.co.za,pac.nc...@gmail.com,pactshwanereg...@gmail.com,Mbuyiselo Kantso mbuyigan...@yahoo.com,nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com,mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com,p...@vodamail.co.za,d...@pac.org.za,ic...@telkomsa.net,richardma...@yahoo.com,sbusiso.x...@gmail.com,mbind...@gmail.com,tnta...@webmail.co.za,jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com,paroot...@yahoo.com,ntsiemohl...@gmail.com,Vusi Mahlangu vemahla...@gmail.com,dumisani...@gmail.com,Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2014 12:57:48 PM GMT+0200 Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action M’Afrika Fihla We should not fall victim of pulling barriers by design or default which possesses the potential to arrest any and all forward movement to unite and rebuild the PAC. If comrades agree to return and re-join PAC, they complete PAC membership forms as individual persons! Some of the comrades in PAM argue they were coerced out of PAC! Some advance ideological reasons to explain their movement to PAM! While others were Nicodemiously suspended and expelled un-constitutionally! The notion “we have joined the PAC as individuals and not as groups” cannot necessarily apply if we focus on the merits and demerits of what compelled some if not most former PAC comrades to PAM. If we can reconcile and unite with those who have done the worse damage and erosion of PAC politically and organisationally, these characters are also forming and fuelling feuding in the PAC, why can’t we close ranks with former PAC comrades in PAM? And it can’t be refuted that PAM is a PAC splinter group, hence the logic of their inclusion in the party unification process. Addressing your question directly, I know Charge-in has been consistent in Payco google group and has demonstrated keen interested on the resolution of PAC Affairs hence the proposal, if it’s not Charge-in, then it can any comrade from PAM, who shall play the role to draw PAM comrades into the fold, the thrust is PAC Must Unite and Advance its Revolutionary Pan Africanist Agenda. If you are not comfortable with Charge-in, then you can recommend any comrade! What is Supreme is to Achieve The Principled Unity and RE-Organisation of PAC! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2014 12:19 PM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Johnson Mlambo; tyamza...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; david mabitsela; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Malesela Mogashwa; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za;
[PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference
Comrades My point is proposed amendments on Asic Documents can be discussed in a conference but final amendments can only be forwarded to congress for adoption. Constitution stipulates which documents can be adopted in a conference (refer to clause 5.10 of constituton). Amenments to DC are not included in the clause. Amendments to PAC Basic Documents (Constitution, Manifesto Disciplinary Code) cannot be adopted by a lower structure, the conference. But by supreme- national congress- highest decision body with supervisory, deliberative, and determinative powers to lay down policies and programmes of PAC and its decisions are binding on all members (clause 5.1 5.3). That is why I say such adoption of amengments by lower structure is unconstitutional. If you disagree, quote the clause which empowers conference to do so. Adoption of amendments in a conference is clear violation of PAC Constitution which stipulates powers of all PAC structures. Izwe Lethu! -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 8, 2014 2:04:54 PM GMT+0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: d: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference The Disciplinary Code is a policy not Constitution or a constitutional clause. Therefore, within the Annual National Conference competence. The proposal is not anti democratic centralism. It in fact reinforces it. On Sep 8, 2014 8:07 AM, chargein...@gmail.com wrote: Comrades Removal of Clause 14 (Democratic Centtralism) is suicidal. This is clause encompasses democratic centralism and collective leadership intended to uproot factionalism and ensure unity and cohesion. Its violation does not warrant its removal from Disciplinary Code. Comrades should remember annual confereces do not adopt amendments but make recommendations to the supreme organ (highest decision making) of the Party - the National Congress- for adoption. Failing which, such amendments are unconstitutional, invalid and illegal Izwe Lethu! Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:55:50 PM GMT+0200 Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference Tshwane lobbies your support. In the coming conference. -- Forwarded message -- From: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Date: Aug 4, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference To: Narius Moloto s...@pac.org.za, DSG @ PAC d...@pac.org.za Cc: Admin @ Pac ad...@pac.org.za, Tumediso Modise tumimod...@hotmail.co.za, mashao reuben mashao.reu...@gmail.com, Lekgathi 0825164...@vodamail.co.za, Albert Mokoena mokoen...@workmail.co.za Dear Secretary General In response to the updated conference notice dated 01 August 2014, the Tshwane Region hereby submit the proposed resolution for the Annual National Conference of 26 - 28 September 2014. The region submits two discussion documents (proposed resolutions) namely *Delegation of Authority Code* and* Public Office Secondment Code*. The region believes that the lack of regulations around this area is main source of conflict. Furthermore, the Tshwane Region hereby adds an agenda point:* removal of democratic centralism section (clause 14) of the disciplinary code*. The region believes that this clause can be replaced be a new code such as the delegation of authority code. Revolutionary regards, Sbusiso Xaba Tshwane Regional Chairman -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
Comrades, I have been following your discussions attentively. Everyone is concerned even us who are outside PAC. We are what we are because of teaching and skills invested to us by PAC. We are expected to celebrate when PAC is in deep crisis and claim to vindicated. Instead, we are deeply hurt when people are making PAC a laughing stock. President Zuma offended me when said on live television, Where is PAC? and then laughed. We know the enemies of African people are celebrating for job well done. Continued divisions works in their favour. Comrades, action speaks more than words. It is not easy to rescue PAC without extraordinary means. We must jointly rational thinking more than emotions. Blame game will take us to nowhere. Fighting each other did not take us anywhere. I believe a well thought roadmap is the only answer to ''Rebuild the Broken Walls of Pan Africanism in South Africa. The time is now or never! The only way to draw up this roadmap as I see it is to convene a Mammelodi-type of Convention of all Pan Africanists, not conference or caucus. That is my suggestion. I may be wrong. I see no other avenue. To me, it is only in a convention where we can do thorough introspection without factions competing for leadershp position. Election of NEC, we have seen, will take PAC nowhere but further division. That is my oinion! It's not gospel truth but just a suggestion in positive direction. Some people will ask why I am concerned about PAC matters? My answer is, I took a conscious decision to join PAC of 1959 and grew up in PAC because I believe it was the only vehicle for liberation in this country. That is why we fought so hard for PAM to adopt PAC Basic Documents because we still regard ourselves as members of PAC of Sobukwe in self-imposed exile in response to PAC crisis. Those who feel threatened by unity will disagree with me for their own reasons. It's their choice. Comrades, whether we like it or not, PAM outside there is seen as PAC in disguise. We cant the voters, rivals and enemies. When they see comrade Makwetu in PAM they all say there is PAC. It's fact! Izwe Lethu! -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com,Kutie Thondlana kutie.thondl...@gmail.com,sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: mrfihla08 mrfihl...@gmail.com,linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za,ad...@pac.org.za,wgaj...@gmail.com,rammymfulw...@gmail.com,richardma...@yahoo.com,river.mla...@telkomsa.net,ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za,takalaniligeg...@gmail.com,tumimod...@hotmail.co.za,tyamza...@yahoo.com,tnta...@webmail.co.za,isaa...@diplomat-global.com,i...@bataufc.com,lea...@hotmail.com,phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com,p...@vodamail.co.za,paccapeme...@webmail.co.za,pasmapresid...@gmail.com,pactshwanereg...@gmail.com,pacmogalec...@gmail.com,pac.nc...@gmail.com,phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za,pacaza...@webmail.co.za,s...@pac.org.za,smollzo...@gmail.com,sbusiso.x...@gmail.com,dud...@webmail.co.za,digashuma...@gmail.com,dmalo...@klerksdorp.org,goqwana.san...@gmail.com,hlubi.so...@gmail.com,joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com,jntab...@gmail.com,L Lekgwathi 0825164...@vodamail.co.za,lucasmmol...@gmail.com,znyam...@gmail.com,billiard.s...@gmail.com,bulanng...@gmail.com,bennet_j...@yahoo.com,bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com,ndhlo...@pac.org.za,Nakaphala Bauba nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com,nnyq...@gmail.com,m...@soultalk.co.za,mapulankoan...@gmail.com,mvakalijust...@gmail.com,mbind...@gmail.com,mphah...@eskom.co.za,malingeplaat...@yahoo.com,mphothobej...@yahoo.com,mokoen...@workmail.co.za,moshemahlom...@gmail.com,monyanepin...@gmail.com,mop...@pac.org.za,mnd...@yahoo.com,po...@yahoo.com,celenjabulo...@gmail.com,njabulo.m...@gmail.com,vu...@telkomsa.net,dumisani...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:06:19 PM GMT+0200 Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference M'Afrika I fully agree with M'Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without being questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO! PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a quorum for it has split into three unequal and non-quorating parts! According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally suspended. So
[PAYCO] Re: umrhabulo kaBenny Bunsee
It is tough in Parliament nowdays! It's really HO! -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: Clarence Mayekiso mayekisocommunicati...@gmail.com To: Chargein Mabaso chargein...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:47:05 PM GMT+0200 Subject: Fwd: umrhabulo kaBenny Bunsee -- Forwarded message -- From: Mawabo Sijila mawabo.sij...@westerncape.gov.za Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:32 PM Subject: umrhabulo kaBenny Bunsee To: Clarence Mayekiso mayekisocommunicati...@gmail.com [image: http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/059.jpg] All views or opinions expressed in this electronic message and its attachments are the view of the sender and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the Western Cape Government (the WCG). No employee of the WCG is entitled to conclude a binding contract on behalf of the WCG unless he/she is an accounting officer of the WCG, or his or her authorised representative. The information contained in this message and its attachments may be confidential or privileged and is for the use of the named recipient only, except where the sender specifically states otherwise. If you are not the intended recipient you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] 4 wire Cablelink Speaker
Comrades, I am lookng for cable for attached speaker. Check if for me around. -- Sent from my Nokia phone -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
