Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-17 Thread Steffen
On 16/12/2006, at 23.47, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The IEMGUIs were not originally part of the core, they were added later. Would it be of any value/interest to this discussion to bring up the reason why it was added (when it was added)?

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-17 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Steffen wrote: On 16/12/2006, at 23.47, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The IEMGUIs were not originally part of the core, they were added later. Would it be of any value/interest to this discussion to bring up the reason why it was added (when it was added)? As I

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's not like it's impossible to overwrite methods in [objectmaker]. What is [objectmaker]? what's at the end of the receive-symbol

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Do you have any actual objections? Yes. Are we supposed to guess what they are? You could guess using mail archives what I think about

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 16, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Plans Casal David wrote: Separation of Concerns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns Separation of language, content, and presentation has to be a good

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Plans Casal David
On 14 Dec 2006, at 18:18, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I propose moving the IEM GUI objects that are embedded in Pd into the extra folder, compiled as individual files. What's the advantage of doing that? Separation of Concerns:

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
padawan12 wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:52:07 +0100 IOhannes m zmölnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a string advocate Me too, ;-) but those damn symbols can't contain whitespace ?? says who ?? mf.adsr IOhannes ___ PD-dev mailing list

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:52 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the author of the only modified version of IEMGUI in five years, I say no, we don't need this to happen. It wasn't a question of need. We are all fed ;). Do you have any actual objections? well, i

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread carmen
If we are going to have full-fledged namespaces, than this is an essential step. Think C without any #includes or Java without any #imports. Only the bare minimum is in the language itself. Everything else is a library. in Python 2.5, Tk is still a configure-time option, which means,

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:54 PM, carmen wrote: If we are going to have full-fledged namespaces, than this is an essential step. Think C without any #includes or Java without any #imports. Only the bare minimum is in the language itself. Everything else is a library. in Python 2.5, Tk is

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's not like it's impossible to overwrite methods in [objectmaker]. What is [objectmaker]? what's at the end of the receive-symbol of the same name, that thing that creates all your

[PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
In a first step towards making Pd a micro-language, I propose moving the IEM GUI objects that are embedded in Pd into the extra folder, compiled as individual files. The only changes needed to make this happen is to rename and move the relevant g_*.c files to extra, renaming the setup()

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-14 Thread padawan12
Anything that adds modularity and allows separate compilation has to be a good thing. It seems a logical partition to make too, graphical things should probably have their own space. 2c On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:26:32 -0500 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a first step

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In a first step towards making Pd a micro-language, I'd like to distinguish between micro-language and micro-environment. Pd is already a micro-language in the sense that it has a micro-syntax: a syntax that is very simple, and that