Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-17 Thread Steffen
On 16/12/2006, at 23.47, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The IEMGUIs were not originally part of the core, they were added later. Would it be of any value/interest to this discussion to bring up the reason why it was added (when it was added)?

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-17 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Steffen wrote: On 16/12/2006, at 23.47, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The IEMGUIs were not originally part of the core, they were added later. Would it be of any value/interest to this discussion to bring up the reason why it was added (when it was added)? As I

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's not like it's impossible to overwrite methods in [objectmaker]. What is [objectmaker]? what's at the end of the receive-symbol

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Do you have any actual objections? Yes. Are we supposed to guess what they are? You could guess using mail archives what I think about

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 16, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Plans Casal David wrote: Separation of Concerns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns Separation of language, content, and presentation has to be a good

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Plans Casal David
On 14 Dec 2006, at 18:18, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I propose moving the IEM GUI objects that are embedded in Pd into the extra folder, compiled as individual files. What's the advantage of doing that? Separation of Concerns:

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
padawan12 wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:52:07 +0100 IOhannes m zmölnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a string advocate Me too, ;-) but those damn symbols can't contain whitespace ?? says who ?? mf.adsr IOhannes ___ PD-dev mailing list

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:52 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the author of the only modified version of IEMGUI in five years, I say no, we don't need this to happen. It wasn't a question of need. We are all fed ;). Do you have any actual objections? well, i

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread carmen
If we are going to have full-fledged namespaces, than this is an essential step. Think C without any #includes or Java without any #imports. Only the bare minimum is in the language itself. Everything else is a library. in Python 2.5, Tk is still a configure-time option, which means,

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:54 PM, carmen wrote: If we are going to have full-fledged namespaces, than this is an essential step. Think C without any #includes or Java without any #imports. Only the bare minimum is in the language itself. Everything else is a library. in Python 2.5, Tk is

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's not like it's impossible to overwrite methods in [objectmaker]. What is [objectmaker]? what's at the end of the receive-symbol of the same name, that thing that creates all your

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-14 Thread padawan12
Anything that adds modularity and allows separate compilation has to be a good thing. It seems a logical partition to make too, graphical things should probably have their own space. 2c On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:26:32 -0500 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a first step

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In a first step towards making Pd a micro-language, I'd like to distinguish between micro-language and micro-environment. Pd is already a micro-language in the sense that it has a micro-syntax: a syntax that is very simple, and that