Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-19 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote: This is pure superstition and folklore, but I'm sure it had something to do with using [knob] objects. Just a feeling in my bones. Well, that's possibly a very good guess. Now if only someone could look at [knob]'s code, to find out what might be wrong

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-09 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: I think I already used the cuisine metaphor here... My Italian genes always point me to that... Along the lines of Mathieu's (?) topic in the dataflow IRC about ready-made solutions. « Readymade Solutions Require Readymade Problems; For Everything Els

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread João Pais
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ? I've used Pd 99,% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: I agree one can freely complain on his own blog, but, hey, fact is you're still using a free software and the license is quite clear about it. No warranty, if it doesn't work as you expect go on for Max. Without bothering yourself and the others. If

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Andy Farnell
I saw it quite recently. A student showed me a patch where objects kept disappearing. IIRC it would have been on a Mac with OSX 10.6 running whatever was the extended release available end October 2010 I said is was probably a graphics bug and to reinstall. AFAIK it went away. This is pure sup

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, João Pais wrote: Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ? I've used Pd 99,% of my tim

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio settings when they send someone else a patch. I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling rates. I have done projects that u

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Miller Puckette wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Is that because of the version numbers ? They always begin with a zero. I never thought of that... It seems to be generalised all over pd : nearly all versioning of externals and abst

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2011-03-08 16:46, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's split over two tickets because I don't really understand the difference between the patch tracker and the bug tracker. btw, a "bug" issue can be changed into a "patch" issue. Yeah, but I wouldn't

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-03-08 16:46, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Matt Barber wrote: > >> Which reminds me: there used to be a problem with [delwrite~] where it >> would allocate its memory when the patch containing it loaded, based >> on the sample

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Matt Barber wrote: Which reminds me: there used to be a problem with [delwrite~] where it would allocate its memory when the patch containing it loaded, based on the sample rate active at the time, such that if you switched Pd to a higher sample rate after the patch loaded,

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling rates. I have done projects that use 22050 and 48k, and both won't work right unless the sampling rate is set correctly. Therefore its an essential property of the pa

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 8, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The preferred way is to set them in your patch

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Matt Barber
You can definite make persistent audio interface settings.  The preferred way is to set them in your patch. >>> >>> Preferred by whom ? >>> >>> I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio settings >>> when they send someone else a patch. >> >> I guess you don't work in anyth

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Besides the unspecified bugs and crashes, I think what's overstated in that blog post is the brave comparison and generalization between OS and proprietary software. Imho it's fairly non-sense, even more 'cause not backed up by specifications or even simple ideas. I agree one can freely complain o

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The preferred way is to set them in your patch. Preferred by whom ? I can't picture anyone wantin

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Peter Kirn wrote: Okay, I'm with others here - what is Chris on this time? I can see three complaints: 1. Ugly UI (fine.) 2. Lack of persistence of audio interface settings. Actually, two comments here on that -- first, of course, you

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 10:46:02PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Right. But are some soundcards and/or drivers limited to only certain > sampling rates ? Actually most soundcards only support a limited number of samplerates in their hardware, everything else then requires resampling in s

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
chris clepper wrote: I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta. I think I already used the cuisine metaphor here... My Italian genes always point me to that... Along the lines of Mathieu's (?) topic in the dataflow IRC about ready-made solutions. And of course it would have bee

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-03-08 00:43, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling rates. I have > done projects that use 22050 and 48k, and both won't work right unless > the sampling rate is set correctly. Therefore its a

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > From: Mathieu Bouchard > Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on > analogindustries.com > To: "Max" > Cc: "PD list" > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:34 AM > On Tue, 8 Mar 2

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: For Audio API (OSS, ALSA, etc.): You can choose the respective menu item, then set it up in the dialog window that pops up. Click "Save all settings" to... save all settings. Isn't that persistent audio interface settings? D'oh, yeah, but I don't

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Max wrote: just to throw in a equally unspecific report. Yes. It's important to answer rumours using rumours. There's a prof who told me that she couldn't teach Pd, and it was because of its security holes. Then she also told me that Pd doesn't have any video support. Af

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, > analogindustries.com > To: "Mathieu Bouchard" > Cc: "Peter Kirn" , pd-list@iem.at > Date: Tuesday,

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Max
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 when i was giving a short Pd workshop in november there was a parallel session in maxMSP/jitter and one of those students came up to me and was complaining that MAX always crashed Pd didn't. just to throw in a equally unspecific report. Am 08.0

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread João Pais
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to anyone ? I've used Pd 99,% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember t

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The preferred way is to set them in your patch. Preferred by whom ? I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio s

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The preferred way is to set them in your patch. Preferred by whom ? I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio settings when they send someone else a patch. IOhannes

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on > analogindustries.com > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" > Cc: "chris clepper" , "Mathieu Bouchard" >

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: But Gridflow goes up to 9. So just make sure to install Gridflow with Pd, and you should then be able to instantiate up to nine "simple" objects without Pd randomly crashing on you: Wait, are

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com To: "chris clepper" Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 1

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Peter Kirn wrote: Okay, I'm with others here - what is Chris on this time? I can see three complaints: 1. Ugly UI (fine.) 2. Lack of persistence of audio interface settings. Actually, two comments here on that -- first, of course, you can set this as a command-li

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > From: Mathieu Bouchard > Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on > analogindustries.com > To: "chris clepper" > Cc: pd-list@iem.at > Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 10:45 PM > On Mon, 7

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Miller Puckette
I never thought of that... cheers M On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, chris clepper wrote: > > >I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta. > > Is that because of the version numbers ? They always begin with a zero. > >

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, chris clepper wrote: I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta. Is that because of the version numbers ? They always begin with a zero. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 V

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread chris clepper
I just emailed Chris to see if he would send along crash logs and info. Maybe some bugs will get fixed from this. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, chris clepper wrote: > It's a missed opportunity for everyone involved. Here was a developer of > audio plugins with a lot of experience who could ha

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Peter Kirn wrote: Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into specifics, so it's hard to know how to respond. I am genuinely curious about what's causing his troubles; I suspect it isn't

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread chris clepper
I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote: > > A "trial" version eh? Let's see how that comparison is working out in 30 >> days. >> > > I've been running a trial version of pd for 8 or

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread chris clepper
It's a missed opportunity for everyone involved. Here was a developer of audio plugins with a lot of experience who could have provided a lot of valuable feedback, but chose not to do so. It doesn't take that much time to fire off the crash log to the list or post something on Sourceforge, plus h

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote: A "trial" version eh? Let's see how that comparison is working out in 30 days. I've been running a trial version of pd for 8 or 9 years now. I'm waiting for it to expire. ___ | Mathi

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Peter Kirn
Re-posting as my previous post got scrubbed - sorry, Thunderbird is convinced Pd-list archives are rich HTML. Doh. ;) Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into specifics, so it's hard to know how to respon

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Andy Farnell
A "trial" version eh? Let's see how that comparison is working out in 30 days. a. On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:45:12 +0100 pierlu wrote: > Hi everybody. > > I regularly read the blog @ analogindustries.com, and today an > interesting post about pd vs max/msp stability on macintel appeared. > > Yo

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on, analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Peter Kirn
Okay, I'm with others here - what is Chris on this time? I can see three complaints: 1. Ugly UI (fine.) 2. Lack of persistence of audio interface settings. Actually, two comments here on that -- first, of course, you can set this as a command-line argument,

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread pierlu
Well it works great with midi even with audio on. The thing I noticed is that cc messages are not as so responsive as midi messages. Working with launchpad I noticed that I can send at once several midi messages by pressing more than one button at a time while when sending cc messages I can only pu

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread cyrille henry
Le 07/03/2011 18:33, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Hear hear! Sure, there are crasher bugs with Pd, but if you aren't even going to bother to report them, how can you expect them to be fixed? Most of the developers of Pd use Pd in their own work, and therefore are very likely to fix prob

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hear hear! Sure, there are crasher bugs with Pd, but if you aren't even going to bother to report them, how can you expect them to be fixed? Most of the developers of Pd use Pd in their own work, and therefore are very likely to fix problems they encounter. I rarely encounter crasher bu

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread Mario
in the way that he is talking about looks like a more generalized problem, but in my personal experience i have no problem at all here, and about a way to configure audio and midi in pd for every time it starts, a software developer should not have a problem on it, even more, if it is using th

Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread chris clepper
A quick search of the mailing list and bug tracker don't reveal anything from Chris Randall. As a software developer he is no doubt aware that user bug reports are vital to fixing problems. I think he could have done a bit more to help his situation. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:45 AM, pierlu wrot

[PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on analogindustries.com

2011-03-07 Thread pierlu
Hi everybody. I regularly read the blog @ analogindustries.com, and today an interesting post about pd vs max/msp stability on macintel appeared. You can read about it here http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=1299508451902 To be honest, I always found pd on PPC macs to be fairl