On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote:
This is pure superstition and folklore, but I'm sure it had something to
do with using [knob] objects. Just a feeling in my bones.
Well, that's possibly a very good guess. Now if only someone could look at
[knob]'s code, to find out what might be wrong
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I think I already used the cuisine metaphor here... My Italian genes
always point me to that... Along the lines of Mathieu's (?) topic in the
dataflow IRC about ready-made solutions.
« Readymade Solutions Require Readymade Problems; For Everything
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On 2011-03-08 00:43, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling rates. I have
done projects that use 22050 and 48k, and both won't work right unless
the sampling rate is set correctly. Therefore its an
chris clepper wrote:
I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta.
I think I already used the cuisine metaphor here... My Italian genes
always point me to that... Along the lines of Mathieu's (?) topic in the
dataflow IRC about ready-made solutions.
And of course it would have
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 10:46:02PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Right. But are some soundcards and/or drivers limited to only certain
sampling rates ?
Actually most soundcards only support a limited number of samplerates in their
hardware, everything else then requires resampling in
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Peter Kirn wrote:
Okay, I'm with others here - what is Chris on this time?
I can see three complaints:
1. Ugly UI (fine.)
2. Lack of persistence of audio interface settings.
Actually, two comments here on that -- first, of course,
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The
preferred way is to set them in your patch.
Preferred by whom ?
I can't picture anyone
Besides the unspecified bugs and crashes, I think what's overstated in that
blog post is the brave comparison and generalization between OS and
proprietary software. Imho it's fairly non-sense, even more 'cause not
backed up by specifications or even simple ideas.
I agree one can freely complain
You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The
preferred way is to set them in your patch.
Preferred by whom ?
I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio settings
when they send someone else a patch.
I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling
On Mar 8, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The
preferred way is to set them in your
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling rates. I have done
projects that use 22050 and 48k, and both won't work right unless the
sampling rate is set correctly. Therefore its an essential property of the
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Matt Barber wrote:
Which reminds me: there used to be a problem with [delwrite~] where it
would allocate its memory when the patch containing it loaded, based on
the sample rate active at the time, such that if you switched Pd to a
higher sample rate after the patch
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On 2011-03-08 16:46, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Matt Barber wrote:
Which reminds me: there used to be a problem with [delwrite~] where it
would allocate its memory when the patch containing it loaded, based
on the sample rate
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2011-03-08 16:46, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
It's split over two tickets because I don't really understand the
difference between the patch tracker and the bug tracker.
btw, a bug issue can be changed into a patch issue.
Yeah, but I wouldn't
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Miller Puckette wrote:
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Is that because of the version numbers ? They always begin with a zero.
I never thought of that...
It seems to be generalised all over pd : nearly all versioning of
externals and
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio settings when
they send someone else a patch.
I guess you don't work in anything but 44100 sampling rates. I have done
projects that
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, João Pais wrote:
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops
reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a
few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to
anyone ?
I've used Pd 99,% of my
I saw it quite recently.
A student showed me a patch where objects kept disappearing.
IIRC it would have been on a Mac with OSX 10.6 running
whatever was the extended release available end October 2010
I said is was probably a graphics bug and to reinstall.
AFAIK it went away.
This is pure
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
I agree one can freely complain on his own blog, but, hey, fact is
you're still using a free software and the license is quite clear about
it. No warranty, if it doesn't work as you expect go on for Max. Without
bothering yourself and the others. If
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that
stops
reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a
few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to
anyone ?
I've used Pd 99,% of my time in windows, and don't ever
Hi everybody.
I regularly read the blog @ analogindustries.com, and today an
interesting post about pd vs max/msp stability on macintel appeared.
You can read about it here
http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=1299508451902
To be honest, I always found pd on PPC macs to be
A quick search of the mailing list and bug tracker don't reveal anything
from Chris Randall. As a software developer he is no doubt aware that user
bug reports are vital to fixing problems. I think he could have done a bit
more to help his situation.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:45 AM, pierlu
in the way that he is talking about looks like a more generalized problem,
but in my personal experience i have no problem at all here, and about a
way to configure audio and midi in pd for every time it starts, a software
developer should not have a problem on it, even more, if it is using
Hear hear! Sure, there are crasher bugs with Pd, but if you aren't
even going to bother to report them, how can you expect them to be
fixed? Most of the developers of Pd use Pd in their own work, and
therefore are very likely to fix problems they encounter. I rarely
encounter crasher
Le 07/03/2011 18:33, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Hear hear! Sure, there are crasher bugs with Pd, but if you aren't even going
to bother to report them, how can you expect them to be fixed? Most of the
developers of Pd use Pd in their own work, and therefore are very likely to fix
Well it works great with midi even with audio on. The thing I noticed
is that cc messages are not as so responsive as midi messages. Working
with launchpad I noticed that I can send at once several midi messages
by pressing more than one button at a time while when sending cc
messages I can only
Okay, I'm with others here - what is Chris on this time?
I can see three complaints:
1. Ugly UI (fine.)
2. Lack of persistence of audio interface settings.
Actually, two comments here on that -- first, of course, you can set
this as a command-line
A trial version eh?
Let's see how that comparison is working out in 30 days.
a.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:45:12 +0100
pierlu pie...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everybody.
I regularly read the blog @ analogindustries.com, and today an
interesting post about pd vs max/msp stability on macintel
Re-posting as my previous post got scrubbed - sorry, Thunderbird is
convinced Pd-list archives are rich HTML. Doh. ;)
Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about
stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into
specifics, so it's hard to know how to
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote:
A trial version eh? Let's see how that comparison is working out in 30
days.
I've been running a trial version of pd for 8 or 9 years now. I'm waiting
for it to expire.
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It's a missed opportunity for everyone involved. Here was a developer of
audio plugins with a lot of experience who could have provided a lot of
valuable feedback, but chose not to do so. It doesn't take that much time
to fire off the crash log to the list or post something on Sourceforge, plus
I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Andy Farnell wrote:
A trial version eh? Let's see how that comparison is working out in 30
days.
I've been running a trial version of pd
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Peter Kirn wrote:
Anyway, I understand now - Chris is complaining generally about
stability, not about vst~. It's troubling, but he's not going into
specifics, so it's hard to know how to respond. I am genuinely curious
about what's causing his troubles; I suspect it isn't
I just emailed Chris to see if he would send along crash logs and info.
Maybe some bugs will get fixed from this.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a missed opportunity for everyone involved. Here was a developer of
audio plugins with a lot of
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, chris clepper wrote:
I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta.
Is that because of the version numbers ? They always begin with a zero.
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I never thought of that...
cheers
M
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, chris clepper wrote:
I get asked by people if Pd is ever coming out of beta.
Is that because of the version numbers ? They always begin with a zero.
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on
analogindustries.com
To: chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 10:45 PM
On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Peter Kirn wrote:
Okay, I'm with others here - what is Chris on this time?
I can see three complaints:
1. Ugly UI (fine.)
2. Lack of persistence of audio interface settings.
Actually, two comments here on that -- first, of course, you can set
this as a
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on
analogindustries.com
To: chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com
Cc: pd
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
But Gridflow goes up to 9. So just make sure to install Gridflow with
Pd, and you should then be able to instantiate up to nine simple objects
without Pd randomly crashing on you:
Wait, are
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on
analogindustries.com
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com, Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The preferred way
is to set them in your patch.
Preferred by whom ?
I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio settings when
they send someone else a patch.
On Mar 7, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
You can definite make persistent audio interface settings. The
preferred way is to set them in your patch.
Preferred by whom ?
I can't picture anyone wanting to set anyone else's audio
Randomly disappearing boxes, and generally, canvas appearance that stops
reflecting canvas content — wasn't that a big WINDOWS®-only bug in Pd a
few years ago ? No idea what the problem was. Does that still happen to
anyone ?
I've used Pd 99,% of my time in windows, and don't ever remember
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when i was giving a short Pd workshop in november there was a parallel session
in maxMSP/jitter and one of those students came up to me and was complaining
that MAX always crashed
Pd didn't.
just to throw in a equally unspecific report.
Am
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Max wrote:
just to throw in a equally unspecific report.
Yes. It's important to answer rumours using rumours.
There's a prof who told me that she couldn't teach Pd, and it was because
of its security holes. Then she also told me that Pd doesn't have any
video support.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
For Audio API (OSS, ALSA, etc.):
You can choose the respective menu item, then set it up in the
dialog window that pops up. Click Save all settings to... save
all settings. Isn't that persistent audio interface settings?
D'oh, yeah, but I don't
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] Toughts on PD vs. Max stability on macintels on
analogindustries.com
To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com
Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:34
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