Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-20 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Ok, so Standard Improved BSD, or SIBSD seems to be the answer to my question. Thanks, Jonathan From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 11:02:14 AM Subject: Re: [PD

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-20 Thread Bernardo Barros
...@at.or.at *To:* Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com *Cc:* pd-list@iem.at *Sent:* Mon, June 14, 2010 11:02:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [PD] cyclone license The core of Pd from MIller is BSD. He distributes it with some GPLv2 stuff in it. Pd-extended includes BSD, GPLv2 and GPLv3 code, so

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-20 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
...@at.or.at; pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sun, June 20, 2010 11:56:59 AM Subject: Re: [PD] cyclone license The difference it seems is that BSD allows proprietary use of the software. Right?? 2010/6/20 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Ok, so Standard Improved BSD, or SIBSD seems to be the answer to my

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Frank Barknecht
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 05:25:28PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: What is the license for all the cyclone objects? Is it the same license for all of them? One of the source files says to check LICENSE.txt for the distribution, which I think would be GPLv2, but then there's a LICENSE.txt

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Bernardo Barros
I think it *have to be* GPL (v.3), since PD is free software, doesn't it? http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
Bernardo, BSD licens also is free software. There are a lot of different free software license. not only GPL, and Puredta is not GPL. 2010/6/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com I think it *have to be* GPL (v.3), since PD is free software, doesn't it?

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Bernardo Barros
I though PD was GNU/PGL On 14 June 2010 11:53, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote: Bernardo, BSD licens also is free software. There are a lot of different free software license. not only GPL, and Puredta is not GPL. 2010/6/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com I think

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
No problem, it is a common situation :D AFAIK Pd is in some kind of BSD license, i think a modified BSD, but not sure. 2010/6/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com I though PD was GNU/PGL On 14 June 2010 11:53, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote: Bernardo, BSD licens

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Bernardo Barros
What's the actual difference between GNU/GPL and BSD On 14 June 2010 11:59, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, it is a common situation :D AFAIK Pd is in some kind of BSD license, i think a modified BSD, but not sure. 2010/6/14 Bernardo Barros

Re: [PD] cyclone license

2010-06-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
The core of Pd from MIller is BSD. He distributes it with some GPLv2 stuff in it. Pd-extended includes BSD, GPLv2 and GPLv3 code, so its GPLv3 as a whole pacakge. .hc On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote: I though PD was GNU/PGL On 14 June 2010 11:53, Ricardo Lameiro

[PD] cyclone license

2010-06-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
What is the license for all the cyclone objects? Is it the same license for all of them? One of the source files says to check LICENSE.txt for the distribution, which I think would be GPLv2, but then there's a LICENSE.txt in the miXed folder that looks like the revised BSD license. Thanks,

[PD] cyclone into vanilla

2008-07-18 Thread marius schebella
hi, is there any progress in integrating cyclone into vanilla? I grab this list of objectclasses from http://suita.chopin.edu.pl/~czaja/miXed/externs/cyclone.html and hope it is current. I guess there are some problematic classes like counter, Append, Clip, prepend... and some are redundant. but

Re: [PD] cyclone into vanilla

2008-07-18 Thread Matt Barber
if someone built abstractions with the same name, is it likely that they have different behaviour? Some of the signal objects would have to have a different behavior because of how [inlet~] works. If [inlet~] could take an optional float arg to output a constant sig (tough because it takes

Re: [PD] cyclone into vanilla

2008-07-18 Thread Damian Stewart
Matt Barber wrote: [inlet~] promotes float messages already, but it's very buggy in canvases that have an [inlet] to the left of [inlet~](s). err.. very buggy? why? no, scratch that, actually; i don't want to know. i'm sure it will lead to wtf's.

Re: [PD] cyclone into vanilla

2008-07-18 Thread Matt Barber
Try moving the [inlet] and the [outlet] around in different combinations in the attached abstraction [weirdinlet] -- I included a test patch as well. See if you get freakish bugs when trying to set the [inlet~]s with floats. Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Damian Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PD] cyclone into vanilla

2008-07-18 Thread Matt Barber
Strange, Must not have saved the [outlet] in the abstraction originally. Sorry about that -- new ones attached. M On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try moving the [inlet] and the [outlet] around in different combinations in the attached abstraction

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: honestly, I think not many people used it... I ran grep -R pow~ * in my pd-directories and found only two patches (of 1+) besides the helppatch for pow~, that use it. nusmuk for distortion.pd, tb for sigmoid_booster~.pd

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Enrique Erne wrote: or [biquad~ 0 0 0 1] Miller Puckette wrote: I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. no. both of them are equivalent to [z~ 1] you could also argue that [f] is just the same as [0( :-) fgmasdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 17:23 +0200, Thomas Grill wrote: Me for one, i have really missed pow~ or abs~ but i have been missing many other things. I don't see the necessity for the objects you mentioned when they can be built as abstractions using expr~ within seconds. But isn't expr~ an

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
frank, you are right that the importer would probably use pd's internal pow~, but from my own experience I can only say max and pd are becoming less and less compatible, I ported a lot of patches and also big patches, I always did this by hand, because there are too many things that can go

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Julian Peterson
I don't really think PD-Max compatibility should factor much into decisions about improving PD, especially when it would force 'untidy' concessions on the part of PD to facilitate awkward max paradigms (like right to left execution order, etc.). If [1]**[2] (where [1] and [2] are inlets)

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread hard off
just asking, but does ANYONE actually import max patches into pd? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
hard off wrote: just asking, but does ANYONE actually import max patches into pd? people want to do that all the time, so if we had a conversion system, then I guess people would use it. (right now it does not work well enough to be usable). but the same goes for pd to java, pd to C++. and it

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, another point to take into account are arguments: What should pow 2 output? Ciao -- Frank Julian Peterson hat gesagt: // Julian Peterson wrote: I don't really think PD-Max compatibility should factor much into decisions about improving PD, especially when it would force 'untidy'

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: just asking, but does ANYONE actually import max patches into pd? The whole RTC-lib was (im)ported with Cyclone. Ciao -- Frank ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Andy Farnell
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:52:43 -0400 Julian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you write a PD patch, you can give it to anyone with a reasonably modern computer; they will be able to download PD on their machine/OS and execute with full rights and privileges. For the last 2 years I have

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Andy Farnell
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:39:04 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, another point to take into account are arguments: What should pow 2 output? Well, presuming we do keep compatability [pow~ 2] will continue to behave as it does in Cyclone. For the proposed intrinsic [**~ ]

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Miller Puckette
OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? That's genuinely strange - and if it's true, I'd definitely make pow~ act as the present pow (left inlet raiesed to right inlet as a power) and just print out a warning for a year or two. cheers M

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? That's genuinely strange - and if it's true, I'd definitely make pow~ act as the present pow (left inlet raiesed to right inlet as a power) and just print out a warning

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Steffen Juul
On 25/04/2008, at 17.06, Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? no (the assumption in the above is not true). according to the reference manuals downloadable from C74's website [0], pow and pow~ are

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Steffen Juul
On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text.

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text.

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? Not in Max, but in Cyclone, which uses the [pow] from Pd, which is reverse from the [pow] in Max. According to the Max 4.6 manual

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text.

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 11:37 -0400, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [sig~ 6] | [pow~ 2] | [snapshot~] | [64\ Same with cyclone/pow~ Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Matt Barber
convolution patch. Still, if others are used to the [z~] in zexy, it might be better to go with that model if it's going to be implemented in vanilla. Thanks, Matt Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:17:40 -0700 From: Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla? To: pd-list

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Enrique Erne
or [biquad~ 0 0 0 1] eni Miller Puckette wrote: I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. cheers Miller On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: Actually, for those of us who insist on vanilla and do everything with

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It seems the cleanest solution would be to just include the objects that Andy has pointed out. Otherwise, I think adding the whole of cyclone will be opening up a big can of worms. Cyclone has a lot of redundant

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Thomas Grill
Am 24.04.2008 um 06:21 schrieb marius schebella: record conflicts (?) with record from xsample Why should it? the name o the object is xrecord~ gr~~~ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It seems the cleanest solution would be to just include the objects that Andy has pointed out. Otherwise, I think adding the whole of cyclone will be opening up a big can of worms. mmh!! worms! the U.N. food and agriculture organization estimates 1,400

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Farnell
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:01:26 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wanted to try chocolate ants, but you can't get them round here, not even in Southall. http://www.lazyboneuk.com/store/pro501.html Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It seems the cleanest solution would be

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
DIY! You can make your own chocolate ants! .hc On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Andy Farnell wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:01:26 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wanted to try chocolate ants, but you can't get them round here, not even in Southall.

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread marius schebella
btw, are all pow~ objects reversed? right inlet^left inlet? marius. Andy Farnell wrote: Did I read that Cyclone is to be incorporated into vanilla Pd? Having discovered too late that [pow~] is not part of vanilla I am about to remove the constraint of using vanilla Pd for the synthetic

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Farnell
Yep. What is to be done about that? Should we keep to the conventions of vanilla and Pd generally by changing that? I am torn on this. I would have a lot of rewriting to do but would like to see conventions observed. OTOH, maybe compatibility with patches out there using Cyclone [pow~] should

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Miller Puckette
This is a serious problem -- putting a backwards pow~ into Pd might be worse than having none at all. But writing a book that uses pow backwards would be even worse than having one in Pd! Maybe the right thing would be to use another name such as power~. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 05:16:08PM

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Farnell
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:38:07 -0700 Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a serious problem -- putting a backwards pow~ into Pd might be worse than having none at all. But writing a book that uses pow backwards would be even worse than having one in Pd! Agreed. This is a difficult

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Andy Farnell wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:38:07 -0700 Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a serious problem -- putting a backwards pow~ into Pd might be worse than having none at all. But writing a book that uses pow backwards would be even worse than having one in Pd!

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Farnell
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:17:29 +0100 Claude Heiland-Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it would be in core how about ^ or ** ^ is usually bitwise XOR (in C, and Pd's expr). I think the presence in [expr~] is enough to exclude that option. ** is used for powers in a number of

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread marius schebella
Miller Puckette wrote: This is a serious problem -- putting a backwards pow~ into Pd might be worse than having none at all. But writing a book that uses pow backwards would be even worse than having one in Pd! Maybe the right thing would be to use another name such as power~. then the max

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread marius schebella
Andy Farnell wrote: x^y seems natural to put the exponent in the second argument. I would not go so far to call it natural, but maybe conventional. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread marius schebella
Andy Farnell wrote: This would mean breaking backwards with Cyclone. well, we still could keep cyclone/pow~. ... pd still has the 0 in the version number. break because patches would simply fail to compute correctly rather than throwing any kind of detectable error. they could throw a

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Steffen Juul
On 24/04/2008, at 19.17, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: But, there is the potential confusion of [pow][pow~][**][**~], it would be nice if the signal version of maths behaved the same as the non-signal maths with the same name (confusing if [pow] exists but the signal equivalent is [**~]).

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Farnell
Yes, a backwards clash is horrible Marius, and I want to avoid that too. The question would be over a new name I guess. There's plenty of room in the name space to avoid clashing if we do reverse [pow~] [pwr~] for eample (anyone building a pressurised water reactor?...) It may seem weird to

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Andy Farnell
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:30:44 +0200 Steffen Juul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to be frank, does it really matter if it's one way or the other? I think it does. No doubt there are exeptions that go against this, but it seems well established that all Pd objects order arguments like standard

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Yes, a backwards clash is horrible Marius, and I want to avoid that too. The question would be over a new name I guess. What about the [list OP] approach for signal math, as I implemented with my [math~ OP] abstraction? This would also

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-24 Thread marius schebella
honestly, I think not many people used it... I ran grep -R pow~ * in my pd-directories and found only two patches (of 1+) besides the helppatch for pow~, that use it. nusmuk for distortion.pd, tb for sigmoid_booster~.pd I don't know other big collections like net-pd (I think I just checked

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:25AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Note that I also think, the math objects (abs~, pow~ etc.) should be part of Pd, and probably symbol2list. I second this. Miller, what do you think? You have mentioned importing Cyclone into Pd; is it just a matter of yourself

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: Actually, for those of us who insist on vanilla and do everything with expr/expr~/fexpr~ or abstractions, is it possible to implement [z~] in fexpr~ for a delay larger than its vector size? You could do it with an abstraction using

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread Matt Barber
Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla? To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: Actually, for those of us who insist on vanilla and do everything

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread Miller Puckette
I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. cheers Miller On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Matt Barber hat gesagt: // Matt Barber wrote: Actually, for those of us who insist on vanilla and do everything with expr/expr~/fexpr~ or abstractions, is it possible to

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all, I think I tried putting cyclone in Pd a couple of years ago and got hung up over some problem or other. I'll look at it and see if I can just do it... cheers M On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 02:26:42PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:25AM +0200, Frank Barknecht

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread marius schebella
Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, I think I tried putting cyclone in Pd a couple of years ago and got hung up over some problem or other. I'll look at it and see if I can just do it... awesome! here is a short list of nameclashing objects. (at least what I found in pd-extended). Append

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It seems the cleanest solution would be to just include the objects that Andy has pointed out. Otherwise, I think adding the whole of cyclone will be opening up a big can of worms. .hc On Apr 23, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, I think I tried putting cyclone in Pd a

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:17:09 +0200 Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no worries, just thinking practically rather than wishfully ;-) :) always appreciate a practical attitude Practically, it's looking more and more like I need

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: I therefore define missing as when the best answer on the table is use [expr~] or use this equivalence made of more than 2 or 3 objects What about vanilla-abstractions? Pd-vanilla currently only ships with a handful of abstractions

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:52 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: I therefore define missing as when the best answer on the table is use [expr~] or use this equivalence made of more than 2 or 3 objects What about vanilla-abstractions? Pd-vanilla

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:38:25 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Practically, it's looking more and more like I need to drop the wishful thinking that I can write a useful and easy to understand textbook based around vanilla Pd. And instead write an easy-to-understand

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread marius schebella
Andy Farnell wrote: Right now my 'missing' list includes [z~], [abs~], [ln~], [log~], [pow~], [tanh~], [cosh~] aren't you also referring to moog~ sometimes? marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Thomas Grill
Am 22.04.2008 um 17:02 schrieb Andy Farnell: Note that I also think, the math objects (abs~, pow~ etc.) should be part of Pd, and probably symbol2list. Two of us doesn't make a concensus, but I've got the feeling most would agree. Me for one, i have really missed pow~ or abs~ but i

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Farnell
Then we should also add streaming... wait this is starting to sound a bit like Pd-extended ;) Is this the pattern that this debate always follows when someose suggests adding essential and sensible changes to Pd vanilla? Are we unable to distinguish between gaps in the axiomatic object set

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:52:17 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reluctant to mention [counter] here, which also was coded many times, unfortunatly in incompatible ways. I'm reluctant, because [counter] is too basic to be included. I heartily agree. In fact I don't suggest

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread marius schebella
Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:52:17 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reluctant to mention [counter] here, which also was coded many times, unfortunatly in incompatible ways. I'm reluctant, because [counter] is too basic to be included. I heartily agree.

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Unfortunately I've used [pow~] in dozens of other patches and it's quite unfeasible to go back and rewrite all of them and the accompanying text. It would take me weeks, and so I feel (on an emotional level) quite pissed off because

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: If you want to avoid too much search-and-replace editing, maybe you could introduce your own wrapper abstraction version of [pow~] with [expr~ pow($v2, $v1)] inside? Call it [andypowell~] and do a search/replace session. Or call it

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-22 Thread Matt Barber
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:02:37 +0100 From: Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla? To: pd-list@iem.at = Right now my 'missing' list includes [z~], [abs~], [ln~], [log~], [pow~], [tanh~], [cosh~] One might put [atan~] and [atan2~] on this list

[PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Farnell
Did I read that Cyclone is to be incorporated into vanilla Pd? Having discovered too late that [pow~] is not part of vanilla I am about to remove the constraint of using vanilla Pd for the synthetic sound design book since it is incomplete without basic mathematical operators. andy -- Use

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Derek Holzer
Can the job be done with [expr~]? d. Andy Farnell wrote: Did I read that Cyclone is to be incorporated into vanilla Pd? Having discovered too late that [pow~] is not part of vanilla I am about to remove the constraint of using vanilla Pd for the synthetic sound design book since it is

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Farnell
Yes. Please don't take this the wrong way Derek, I sincerely appreciate the suggestion. Everything can be done with [expr~], so why don't we just rename Pd to [expr~]? :) Seriously, raising one number to a power is an essential, fundamental operation Is there any plausible excuse for its

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Andy, no worries, just thinking practically rather than wishfully ;-) Maybe some of the math-heads here can make a contest to see how much of a PD patch/instrument they could make using ONLY [expr] and [expr~]... the winner gets a Heineken and a bar of Dial soap, or something . I only

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Julian Peterson
[expr pow($f1,$f2)] or [expr~ pow($v1,$f2)] or [expr~ pow($v1,$v2)] etc. I don't know why you consider this an omission? JP Andy Farnell wrote: Yes. Please don't take this the wrong way Derek, I sincerely appreciate the suggestion. Everything can be done with [expr~], so why don't we just

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Farnell
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:27:17 -0400 Julian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [expr pow($f1,$f2)] or [expr~ pow($v1,$f2)] or [expr~ pow($v1,$v2)] etc. I don't know why you consider this an omission? JP Hi Julian, Thanks for the suggestion I consider it an omission because [pow~] is a

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:17:09 +0200 Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no worries, just thinking practically rather than wishfully ;-) :) always appreciate a practical attitude Practically, it's looking more and more like I need to drop the wishful thinking that I can write a useful and easy

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Farnell
Fair point Hans. My main consideration though is ease of understanding. What this looks like to students when you have to explain there isn't an object to raise to a power in Pd, but there is a button dedicated to it on every desktop calculator. On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:59:46 -0400 Hans-Christoph

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think this is definitely a good thing in terms of accessability. If someone codes these missing 10 and submitted them to the patch tracker, I'll bet there is a good chance that they would be accepted. .hc On Apr 21, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:17:09

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread marius schebella
the question is a very blasphemic one, and I am not sure, if I should bring this into discussion at all... but how long is miller going to develop pd, and when should vanilla become a group effort rather than a one man show? and who is ever willing to take responsibility for the future

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-21 Thread Andy Farnell
the question is a very blasphemic one, and I am not sure, if I should bring this into discussion at all... It's vital we discuss this. It took a while for me to appreciate what I believe to be Millers philosophy, and in principle I agree with and respect it. To keep the core of Pd as small

Re: [PD] cyclone

2008-03-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I don't really know much about those tools, but it would be really great to have the cyclone importer tool integrated into Pd-extended. .hc On Mar 27, 2008, at 4:45 PM, marius schebella wrote: hi (hans), is there a problem with externals/miXed/shadow/cyclone? did you think about

Re: [PD] cyclone

2008-03-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
You could just include the cyclone.pd_linux in addition to the libdir that is already there. .hc On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:16 PM, marius schebella wrote: in the shadow folder there is a file cyclone.c. I think that should include this loader functionality. but I don't know if you can build

Re: [PD] cyclone

2008-03-28 Thread marius schebella
please be more detailed. right now I am trying to compile from scratch and are in the middle of fink install ffmpeg ffmpeg-dev libavcodec1-dev libavcodec1-shlibs libdv4 speex3 lame-dev lame-shlibs fftw3 libftgl1 libhid0 libquicktime0 faac-shlibs faac-dev libfaad1-dev libfaad1-shlibs

Re: [PD] cyclone

2008-03-28 Thread marius schebella
in the shadow folder there is a file cyclone.c. I think that should include this loader functionality. but I don't know if you can build it as a separate object, or if this will only work when you build cyclone as a library and not single objects. marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I

Re: [PD] cyclone

2008-03-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
cyclone.pd_linux is the whole cyclone library compiled into one DLL/ dylib/so. I think this is the thing that you mentioned needing for importing Max patches. .hc On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:28 PM, marius schebella wrote: please be more detailed. right now I am trying to compile from scratch

[PD] cyclone

2008-03-27 Thread marius schebella
hi (hans), is there a problem with externals/miXed/shadow/cyclone? did you think about integrating this into pd-extended? I think it is a useful object. can you help me, what do I need to do to get it compiled within the pd-extended build system? marius.

Re: [PD] cyclone

2008-03-27 Thread Steffen Juul
On 27/03/2008, at 21.45, marius schebella wrote: hi (hans), is there a problem with externals/miXed/shadow/cyclone? did you think about integrating this into pd-extended? I think it is a useful object. can you help me, what do I need to do to get it compiled within the pd-extended build

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hi listers~ I'm trying to use cyclone/counter to manipulate video. I know all about making your own counters and such, but at this point I just want something to play my videos with the methods included in the cyclone counter, so why reinvent the wheel, right?

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-08 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Ok, I will use the [min $1( message. I was too unobservant to notice that the help patch used [min $1] instead! Thanks. It seems ridiculous to keep this bug, since Max has probably fixed it. But I don't use Max, so I don't know. If I were to update the help patch, is it as simple as uploading it

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: so: does krzysztof still maintain cyclone? (haven't heard from him since some time) can someone confirm the correct behaviour of [counter]? it would be simple to fix (and even more so the help-patch) Krzysztof didn't write

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think there is a bug in the tracker, if not please file one. .hc On May 5, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hi listers~ I'm trying to use cyclone/counter to manipulate video. I know all about making your own counters and such, but at this point I just want something to play my

Re: [PD] [cyclone] Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 released

2007-01-18 Thread Miguel Cardoso
hi list cant find the ciclone object: cyclone ... couldn't create on macintel with test7. did it change name? thks On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, this should be approaching release readiness, let's stress test! This is the last test release before release

Re: [PD] [cyclone] Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 released

2007-01-18 Thread Steffen
On 18/01/2007, at 13.37, Miguel Cardoso wrote: cant find the ciclone object: cyclone ... couldn't create on macintel with test7. did it change name? In the fear of missing your point, in which case just ignore this: Cyclone is included, but it is to be understood as a library, ie. a set

Re: [PD] [cyclone] Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 released

2007-01-18 Thread Miguel Cardoso
thanks Steffen. I thought there was a cyclone object to load max patches. how I do I load a max file into pure data then? i tried renaming it to .pd but it doesn't load... On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Steffen wrote: On 18/01/2007, at 13.37, Miguel Cardoso wrote: cant find the ciclone

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