Selon Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
forgot to answer this one...
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, patko wrote:
If the rythm is played like every step with no accent, no one would make
a difference between 11:8 , 4:4, 7:16 ...
I always thought of the metric as something that happens not only
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote:
That is right, in fact any of the five musical parameters (tune, tone, volume,
space, length) could be modulated for giving a metric, even different metrics at
the same time.
I don't know of a concept of the musical parameters being only five
forgot to answer this one...
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, patko wrote:
If the rythm is played like every step with no accent, no one would make
a difference between 11:8 , 4:4, 7:16 ...
I always thought of the metric as something that happens not only with
rythmic patterns, but also with melodic
this isn't part of my abstractions (at /extra/jmmmp), it's a full
program.
it doesn't come with pd-ext, it's on my pd page. I would say that it's
as big
as all my abstractions together, but never measured it.
Ok, now it brings this question to my mind : is there anything you can
break away
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, João Pais wrote:
there might be, but a) I have no interest or purpose on doing it, and b)
there wouldn't be any really useful abstractions coming out of this. in
fact, it might even make my programming slower (because I would have to
manage x programs instead of 1), and
- Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca a écrit :
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, João Pais wrote:
that's the same thing. then you'll be loosing time by typing a score
which has always the same rhythm/tempo. better put a metro with a
mod,
and you have it. the music for which the program is
how does this auto generation works?
See that the file is loading another source file (on its line 3), which
you can find at http://gridflow.ca/svn/trunk/doc/locale/english.tcl ...
the only important lines are the ones that say say. (if you want to
know
more about this, I will tell you
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, João Pais wrote:
I'm not excluding anyone, or criticising the community (not a good
term, but I brought it up). If I would be critisicing anyone, it would
be me, for not having the same interests as the majority.
Do you understand that NO-ONE here has the same interests as
when you put out a new version of gridflow, there are several replies
from people that try it out, etc etc.
that point was more about the general interest of the comunity argument.
in any case it's good you don't get that many complaints, which shouldn't
mean that there are less users.
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, João Pais wrote:
that point was more about the general interest of the comunity
argument. in any case it's good you don't get that many complaints,
which shouldn't mean that there are less users.
If you had your own webserver, you would be able to count the number of
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, João Pais wrote:
considering that the person wants not to use only max, many of those
reasons above are environmental constraints decided outside, that the
user has no control about
Environmental constraints are real constraints, and are as worthy of
attention, even
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
naturally I get experience everytime I patch two objects together. but what's
there now has only 5% of what it was in the first version (including a
different design, to cope with some of the features I wanted to put in; and
lots of features).
And then
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Frank Barknecht wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:17:34AM +0200, João Pais wrote:
Not that it would pay off anyway, but any deterrent is better than no
deterrent.
Pardon my slightly sexist language here, but:
IMO the best way to deter is this to have big balls! :)
It
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
with complex I think I meant too intrincated to be worth spending your
time with.
If anything is not worth spending your time with, then what can I say,
just don't do it. But you surely mean something else. There are more
causes that made you do things
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
exactly (that's why I almost went to max/msp for this). doesn't matter
which license it has, the patch itself won't be locked.
How easy is it, to unlock a MAX patch ?
that is true, the spirit of CC might not apply here 100%. I know CC better
than other
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
I'm not excluding anyone, or criticising the community (not a good term,
but I brought it up). If I would be critisicing anyone, it would be me, for
not having the same interests as the majority.
Do you understand that NO-ONE here has the same interests
Those are really not the only examples I could give, but I don't think
it's necessary to give more. The 5% is irrelevant... many projects go
through that... and neither yours nor mine are the biggest free projects
to do so. There are methodologies that even expect all code to be in
potential
exactly (that's why I almost went to max/msp for this). doesn't matter
which license it has, the patch itself won't be locked.
How easy is it, to unlock a MAX patch ?
have no idea. surely possible, but much harder than unlocking a Pd one.
that is true, the spirit of CC might not apply here
with complex I think I meant too intrincated to be worth spending your
time with.
If anything is not worth spending your time with, then what can I say,
just don't do it. But you surely mean something else. There are more
causes that made you do things and you haven't spoken them yet.
afaik,
I'm not excluding anyone, or criticising the community (not a good
term,
but I brought it up). If I would be critisicing anyone, it would be me,
for
not having the same interests as the majority.
Do you understand that NO-ONE here has the same interests as the majority
of those who are here
On 06/30/2010 06:12 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
imho this would not be worth the effort, and a horrible idea to make
deliberatly unreadable pd-patches...
If you keep on saying things like that, I will make a patch obfuscator
patch just so that the content of threads about obfuscation would
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:
Interesting. Is there plans for others gui toolkits?
no.
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:
Interesting. Is there plans for others gui toolkits?
no.
...see the archives for reasoning. The question came up earlier this year.
Andras
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
I'm just being realistic, it's not a value judgement. If I had made a nice
vocoder with online streaming, that would be much more interesting for this
community.
You don't know this community, and neither do I.
It just doesn't work like this.
There
There are enough people doing the same, that all those individual
1% and 2% add up to a very large proportion of what's being produced in
the pd community.
I agree with this sentiment.
People seem most attracted to Pd for its flexibility. If everyone wanted a
nifty vocoder they would've
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
Not that I'm expecting to become rich with the paypal button
BTW I tried to get paid for a contract by PayPal and this was the single
most expensive fees I ever got in a money transfer, by very far. Next
time, I'm gonna just be very patient and get a
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:
2010/6/29 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org:
In this view, Miller has the biggest balls of dem all. :)
Is there a legal reason for PD not be GPL? Maybe it has some code from
another project?
If any code that Pd took from other projects had any
I'm not excluding anyone, or criticising the community (not a good term,
but I brought it up). If I would be critisicing anyone, it would be me,
for not having the same interests as the majority.
maybe with that I wanted to say is that I wrote this patch to cater for
another community
all. I don't know how it differs for smaller payments. What is your
experience ?
sorry, no experience at all. only made payments with it, never was paid
with it.
(I'm sure it won't even make up for the time already spent working on
this),
Don't forget that you also made this for
Also, you can never know what use someone else may find for your patch. I
have taken elements from synth patches and used them as controllers for
visual patches. I don't care about classical composing, and haven't
heard of
any of the composers you listed, but I am certainly interested in
On 06/29/2010 06:04 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
Since it's a rather complex patch I would prefer for people not to
edit it too much
Curious. I make complex patches and I prefer that people would edit them.
What's surprising? That different people have
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 02:20 +0200, João Pais wrote:
Hello all,
I'm doing last touches in a Pd patch that is a general tool to make click
tracks. That can (and hopefully will) be used by any musicians, such as
instrumentalists, conductors, composers, ...
The patch is/will be available free
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 10:49 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
The most important part is the 'attribution' clause, which is covered by
both CC and GPL, iirc.
I actually meant to say, that I had the feeling that 'attribution' is
your main concern and this should be covered by both of the mentionend
hi,
* there were lots of answers, I'm going to try to reply to them all here,
even if you text doesn't display. I hope that the original authors can
remember their words *
Since it's a rather complex patch I would prefer for people not to
edit it too much
Curious. I make complex
a) I hear you would like to be able to distribute your patch.
b) A Pd patch is not easily turned into closed-source for technical
reasons.
exactly (that's why I almost went to max/msp for this). doesn't matter
which license it has, the patch itself won't be locked.
I was thinking of
On 2010-06-29 11:37, João Pais wrote:
In a real world perspective, I'm almost 100% sure that the people who
can work inside the patch (i.e. all of you) won't be interested in doing
so, because it's a field that doesn't interest you that much.
that's the spirit!
fgmasdr
IOhannes
smime.p7s
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:17:34AM +0200, João Pais wrote:
Not that it would pay off anyway, but any deterrent is better than no
deterrent.
Pardon my slightly sexist language here, but:
IMO the best way to deter is this to have big balls! :)
Write patches that are so amazingly rad and
Pardon my slightly sexist language here, but:
I'm portuguese, that's not even a fraction of the sexism I'm used to :)
IMO the best way to deter is this to have big balls! :)
Write patches that are so amazingly rad and self-confident that not many
people would want to change them. And have
In a real world perspective, I'm almost 100% sure that the people who
can work inside the patch (i.e. all of you) won't be interested in doing
so, because it's a field that doesn't interest you that much.
that's the spirit!
well, how often do you use click tracks? do you have many pieces for
2010/6/29 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org:
In this view, Miller has the biggest balls of dem all. :)
Is there a legal reason for PD not be GPL? Maybe it has some code from
another project?
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On 2010-06-29 14:46, Bernardo Barros wrote:
2010/6/29 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org:
In this view, Miller has the biggest balls of dem all. :)
Is there a legal reason for PD not be GPL?
is there a need for a legal (as opposed to other) reason? maybe there
are people, who simply find GPL
On 2010-06-29 13:45, João Pais wrote:
well, how often do you use click tracks? do you have many pieces for
instruments + conductor with complex metrics, and/or tempi changing at
each bar e.g. as in the music of Ferneyhough, Emmanuel Nunes, Carter...
are you familiar with these composers?
what are you trying to say with this (apart from offending people's
musical background)?
I don't find it an offense not to know the same things I do. just like
when names of bands and performers get mentioned in this list, I don't
know almost all of them - because it's not my scene. the
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote:
b) A Pd patch is not easily turned into closed-source for technical
reasons.
If you start from the Open-Source Definition and Free Software Definition,
you will find that it's easy to step outside of the definition and that it
doesn't have that much
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
Curious. I make complex patches and I prefer that people would edit them.
What's surprising? That different people have different wishes about how
their own work gets used?
Nah, I expect that people have different wishes. It's not really
surprising, I
On 06/29/2010 02:20 AM, João Pais wrote:
Basically
something that allows people to disseminate the program (even though is
available online), but without them changing it (or not without my
consent/knowledge).
licence-wise you could use some properitary
free(as in beer)-ware licence which is
2010/6/29 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
And finally, Pd-vanilla insists on supporting Tcl/Tk versions of ten years
ago, and on not supporting Tcl/Tk versions of now, and only uses them with
the default look, and the default look doesn't look like 2010.
So, I say, though there are lots
I think you got my intentions/feelings the best. It's not a complex patch
because I'm such a crafty guy and want to show off, it's a complex patch
because it's a mature tool with many features (in it's own small field).
Ah, I wouldn't automatically know that. It tends to be more subtle than
2010/6/29 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com:
ah, only went to their website now, that's true, Pd's gui looks like it's
still the same as in the original Max time at ircam. that's a pity, because
the gui and roughness of the display is something that deters many people
from joining in - or just
I don't understand-- why you don't want people to edit the code? You say
since it is complex, but that
doesn't make sense to me.
If by commercial you mean proprietary, licensing it as GPL would take care
of that (but not the thing
about editing the code, of course).
Unfortunately, I don't
2010/6/28 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com:
Hello all,
Olá João!
The patch is/will be available free of charge, only paypal donations are
accepted (or suggested). But I'm considering using a different license
than the general BSD license I usually ship my abstractions with.
I think BSD
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, João Pais wrote:
Since it's a rather complex patch I would prefer for people not to edit
it too much
Curious. I make complex patches and I prefer that people would edit them.
In any case, I don't think that you are stating the real reason. There's a
missing (implied)
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