Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
I must say this is a nice text. However, I was hoping to see more in the
department of sequencing/composition. This has great sound design elements,
but I am looking for better ways to compose with Pd.
Frank, I'm curious about how you use list objects in composition. I'd love
to see a little etude from you about that whenever you find the time. You
always make such clear, concise, and fun instructional patches.
~Kyle
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote:
>
> > Congrats on finishing it Johannes.
> > This looks very nice. Some people ask if my book
> > focuses on sound design, and Millers book focuses on
> > DSP theory, why is there not a book dedicated to
> > composition in Pd? Well now there is.
>
> Hm, you all are so fast readers, reading a book in less than one evening.
> :)
>
> By quickly scanning through the book and grep'ing the patches, I wonder,
> why
> not a single patch uses the [list] object which - not only because of the
> [list]-abs - is one of my most often used objects especially for
> composition? I
> would expect a section on list-processing when teaching people how to
> compose.
>
> Anyway, I haven't read it yet, maybe these topics are presented without
> [list].
>
> Ciao
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[PD] a simple counter, I'm not able to do it tonight
Hi list, I need a little help. I'm using an up-down counter. It has a min and a max limit: 0 and 100 (for say something). I don't like my solution and i know there is a easier way to do it; but tonight I can't find it :( So, someone can help me with a rapid solution? thanks in advance Husk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
i should probably avoid writing emails before bed, and my negative bias towards video-conferencing comes from a number of bad experiences and unproductive meetings. anyhow you are quite right to push this one, to converse without latency can be very productive (but equally unproductive too) - a good meeting requires a fair bit more preparation and planning than just the medium, regardless of mcluhans philosophy. incidentally i have enjoyed his musings in the past but i already find his arguments ambiguous enough with regard to psychology and technology, to retrofit his ideologies to todays baffling techno-communcications wasteland is a bit of a stretch ;) ciao, dmotd On Tuesday 17 March 2009 21:41:46 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Yeah, in case I came across too strong, I think that IRC is very > useful, and voice chat is too. We can have both running for this > meeting, and people can choose where they participate. IRC is great > for async communications, like asking specific questions. But I find > it takes 10-20x longer to work through difficult issues thru text-only > media like IRC, IM, email, etc. as compared to a voice conversation. > > .hc > > On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, João Pais wrote: > > Is this a one time thing, or might happen more times? I would say > > that at least voice connection would be productive. I haven't that > > much experience with video conferencing, but a medium where people > > can react at the same time they can think would be important. > > (although after too much time, even the fingers are faster than some > > heads) > > > > How about voice connection for general talk + an irc chat for small, > > fast questions? We can also send a group foto with skype, so that > > everyone feels the warmth. > > > >> Marshall McLuhan would strongly disagree with you, as do I. The > >> medium with which you communicate has a very strong impact on the > >> conversation. That does not mean that it is the only influence. > >> There are many things that lead to a bad meeting, and from my > >> experience of having many meetings in person, on IRC, on IM, on > >> phones, on voice chat, on video chat, and many different mixes > >> above, I am a strong believer in high-bandwidth communication like > >> voice. > > --- >- > > Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] from Chile greetings
Hi, from Chile... i dont make the aplication on the format... but th deadline is on 30, i translate all my project jajajaja, well... i hope to see all of you in Brazil, check my litlle blog : http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com Keep on touch!!! José Luis 2009/3/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner > > Hola desde Liverpool, UK, then soon on my way to Newcastle, UK, not too > close to Australia or Chile. > > Hope to see all of you in São Paulo! > > .hc > > > On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: > > >> >> And... >> >> >> your timing is impeccable...sort of. >> Come to Sao Paulo in July. You won't regret it. The best art, by the best >> people, and in a very best place. >> >> Or stay home in CHile, brain your drain! >> >> aaa- deadline approacheth! >> >> Lone Shark: Synchromatic: Out December 1st 2008 >> http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com/store >> Also available through the iTunes store >> >> >> --- On Mon, 16/3/09, Amos Robinson wrote: >> >> From: Amos Robinson >>> Subject: Re: [PD] from Chile greetings >>> To: >>> Cc: pd-list@iem.at >>> Date: Monday, 16 March, 2009, 12:47 AM >>> On a related note, greetings from >>> Newcastle, Australia. I'm wondering >>> whether there are any other people from Newcastle? >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato >>> >>> wrote: >>> Hi my dear friends, this is my first contact with the >>> community...well i >>> like this sinergy... i try go to the convention. Please visit my blog... with love http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com see you José Luis -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at >>> mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> ___ >>> Pd-list@iem.at >>> mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > > > > >kill your television > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will hold off on the netbook idea for now. Actually, the AudioPint concept is really playing with my imagination. Hmmm... Gem in a box, literaly. With enough forethought, it could be awesome. -Ben Yes do an audio pint. Get a Mini ITX board with say a dual Atom or Core 2 Duo and an NVidia card and you should be alright. I just got a new Pico ITX board a little larger than a pack of cigarettes. It's a 1Ghz VIA with 1G ram and its running PD in realtime nicely. Don't go nano or pico ITX as you'd have they have integrated graphics and no pcie expansion slots. --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] read sysex files (hex)
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended on AMD 64
Oops, this one might be easier to follow: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended64bitUbuntuIntrepid Try searching puredata.info for "64 bit" and you'll find things like this. .hc On Mar 18, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: At this point, its probably easiest for you to build Pd from source. There is a wiki page to help: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux .hc On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Nicanor Garcia wrote: Hello, I'm trying to install the published .deb package for amd64 but I'm havint trouble with the needed libs. I'm using a amd64 machine with Studio 64 as OS. When I try to install with dpkg it tells me that I need to have liblame0 installed, but liblame0 is incompatible with libquicktime1 which is also needed to install. I'm a bit novice in linux and I don't know what to do, can anyone help me with this?ç Thank you very much. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (yet another) www.pd-tutorial.com
Congratulations! It is certainly something we need. In Fact, I am doing a book myself :) and I am about to share it. I got it in Portuguese for now. Who wants to take a peak? :) I present topics such as: *Wavetable Synthesis - DC Offset – Modulation (Amplitude, Ring, Frequency, Pulse Width) – Additive/Subtractive Synthesis - Filters – WaveShaping - Spectral Analisys (FFT/Resynthesis) - Convolution & Convolution Reverb - Vocoder, Cross Synthesis - Phase Vocoder*. Gladly, it is a different proposal, so johannes book, as well as Miller's and Floss Manuals all are complementary publications. Talking about Phase Vocoder is an attempt to make it more accessible than in Miller's book, in a sense that I wish to reach people with no Background in Computer Science. I dont emphasize much on programing and implementing things in Puredata, so books like johanes' are definately handy... I like the part on Convolution, as it is not covered in other pd books I guess. Actually, I would really like to discuss this with you people. I must say we need to improve Pdpedia and commit to this project as a comunity. I can handle the Portuguese and English part. Lets better promote Pd by publishing about it! :) Cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] read sysex files (hex)
maybe binfile in mrpeach? .hc On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:34 AM, hard off wrote: is there a way to read .syx files in pd? these are in raw hex format. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended on AMD 64
At this point, its probably easiest for you to build Pd from source. There is a wiki page to help: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux .hc On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Nicanor Garcia wrote: Hello, I'm trying to install the published .deb package for amd64 but I'm havint trouble with the needed libs. I'm using a amd64 machine with Studio 64 as OS. When I try to install with dpkg it tells me that I need to have liblame0 installed, but liblame0 is incompatible with libquicktime1 which is also needed to install. I'm a bit novice in linux and I don't know what to do, can anyone help me with this?ç Thank you very much. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] from Chile greetings
Hola desde Liverpool, UK, then soon on my way to Newcastle, UK, not too close to Australia or Chile. Hope to see all of you in São Paulo! .hc On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: And... your timing is impeccable...sort of. Come to Sao Paulo in July. You won't regret it. The best art, by the best people, and in a very best place. Or stay home in CHile, brain your drain! aaa- deadline approacheth! Lone Shark: Synchromatic: Out December 1st 2008 http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com/store Also available through the iTunes store --- On Mon, 16/3/09, Amos Robinson wrote: From: Amos Robinson Subject: Re: [PD] from Chile greetings To: Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, 16 March, 2009, 12:47 AM On a related note, greetings from Newcastle, Australia. I'm wondering whether there are any other people from Newcastle? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: Hi my dear friends, this is my first contact with the community...well i like this sinergy... i try go to the convention. Please visit my blog... with love http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com see you José Luis -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] couldnt create pdp
I've spent a long time on it now and have come to the conclusion that it is dependancy related or a hardware problem relating to my netbook. Either way I couldn't spend any more time trying solutions and so I moved to fendora 10. It's yumming away at the moment. Pure Dyne would have solved all my problems but unfortuatly it will not run on my acer aspire. It's a known issue. I've downloaded ubuntu studio also and may try that. All I wanna do is make a ball move :( Thanks though Happy belated paddies day ~_.~*fine*~._~ On 18 Mar 2009, at 00:48, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hmm, that's an odd one. Did you use the planetccrma packages? I don't know how Nando built things really, it seems a file got missed. I think you asked about this on #dataflow, did you find a solution? Worst comes to worst, Pd and Pd-extended runs best on Debian-based distros like Debian, Ubuntu, pure:dyne, etc. .hc On Mar 17, 2009, at 3:36 PM, fín wrote: hi all, i recently purchases an acer aspire one netbook, its running fedora 8 i installed pd=extended through yum and was ready to begin using.. for some reason it wouldnt create any of the pidip specific objects and on the irc a person asked me to create a pdp object and see what the error was, it was the follow: /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_ linux: /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_linux: undefined symbol: pdp_metro_setup pdp ... couldn't create pure dyne willl not run on this machine. and i am desperate to get pd-extended running on this machine successfully... i would try one of the nightly builds of pd-extended but i cant figure out which package i require, ia m inexperienced with nameing structures in linux... any help greatly appreciated... Paul Finn ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- --- -- Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives
Funny, perfect timing, I just added those links to that page... :) it would be good to have the official source back too... .hc On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Alex Lucas wrote: Hi Derek, Thanks for your help, I really like markmail! Thanks, Alex 2009/3/16 Derek Holzer Hi Alex, I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at: http://puredata.info/community/lists Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you. best! Derek Alex Lucas wrote: Hello everyone, Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist Archives by following the link on this page http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list . Has anyone else had the same problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link? -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 173: "Voice your suspicions" ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity."-John Gilmore ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] couldnt create pdp
Hmm, that's an odd one. Did you use the planetccrma packages? I don't know how Nando built things really, it seems a file got missed. I think you asked about this on #dataflow, did you find a solution? Worst comes to worst, Pd and Pd-extended runs best on Debian-based distros like Debian, Ubuntu, pure:dyne, etc. .hc On Mar 17, 2009, at 3:36 PM, fín wrote: hi all, i recently purchases an acer aspire one netbook, its running fedora 8 i installed pd=extended through yum and was ready to begin using.. for some reason it wouldnt create any of the pidip specific objects and on the irc a person asked me to create a pdp object and see what the error was, it was the follow: /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_ linux: /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_linux: undefined symbol: pdp_metro_setup pdp ... couldn't create pure dyne willl not run on this machine. and i am desperate to get pd-extended running on this machine successfully... i would try one of the nightly builds of pd-extended but i cant figure out which package i require, ia m inexperienced with nameing structures in linux... any help greatly appreciated... Paul Finn ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
I think we have the space on Saturday/Sunday noon til midnight and Monday til 9am-6pm EDT, but the room is occupied 6-9pm on Monday. But wait, I think I had my time zones mixed up. 6pm in NYC would be midnight in Berlin, so that works well then. .hc On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: I charge double for mornings ;-) Honestly, I don't expect anything to ever happen in Berlin before noon, anywhere. Why is morning here easier to sync up with there? I don't get it Should be afternoons/evenings would be easier to get during NY daytime... D. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Georg Holzmann wrote: Hallo! I will be in Berlin from mar27 to mar30, and I would also like to contribute to the book sprint, but it is difficult for me during week/business hours. Yes, this weekend would be also nice for me ;) ! What time are people thinking of starting in Berlin? I am trying to organize the space in NYC. Will this be a morning thing there? If so, that's easier for NYC time to sync up with. But that's not essential. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 69: "Feed the recording back out of the medium" All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
ydego...@gmail.com wrote: marc widmer wrote: hi IOhannes you are right, it compiles without ffmpeg. i moved my changed c_track object to the new pidip sources and it seems to work what are these changes anyway ? it might benefit to other people, no? sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
really have to pipe up to say thanks about this! a really huge help to me, so thank you Johannes! also, this is the first time i've posted to the list so a wee hello to everyone too - i enjoy your banter :) -graeme p.s. to Hans - i sent that to you alone by accident first there, sorry about that! (mailing list amatuer) > > Looks good, a nice surprise, I didn't even realize you were writing > it. I added this to my class syllabus site, I'll let you know what > the students say. > > Koray, a PID would be a fun book to write, I am up for it! First lets > get the FLOSS manuals Pure Data book out there. > > .hc > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: > >> >> Congratulations Johannes, >> >> This book will definitely be a bonus teaching material together with >> Miller's book for the computer generated music course that I am >> planning to teach next autumn. I had already involved Andy's book >> for the Sound design ( + a bit physics of sound ) course. Now lets >> hope that they will add these courses in the next curriculum :) and >> I guess there is one book we are still seeking at the moment that >> focuses Physical Interaction Design, the same way as Johannes' book. >> Earlier together with Hans we developed PID course materials, and >> his latest work embedding firmata in arduino library hopefully will >> bring up more Pd examples, and maybe later we will have another >> book. What do you think about this Hans? That would be great :) >> >> >> Koray >> >> >> >> On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:42 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: >> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:12:21 +0100 >>> From: Johannes Kreidler >>> Subject: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com >>> To: pd-list@iem.at >>> Message-ID: <49bea495.8060...@gmx.de> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >>> >>> hi list, >>> >>> I am pleased to announce that the big pd tutorial I wrote in the last >>> years with the help of a grant by the Music University of Freiburg / >>> Germany, is now online, in english and in german. >>> >>> It is also available as a book (paperback) at Wolke Publishing House, >>> where the "bang" book was released. >>> >>> At the moment, Amazon says that it's not available, which is strange >>> because it's definitely released, but at least it can be purchased at >>> the Publishing House itself. >>> >>> http://www.pd-tutorial.com >>> >>> http://www.wolke-verlag.de/musik_u_t/loadbang.html >>> >>> http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/53108697370a2cb3f/5310869bc400a7a02.html >>> >>> http://www.amazon.de/Loadbang-Programming-Electronic-Music-Pure/dp/3936000573/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1235853524&sr=8-3 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Johannes >> >> >> >> - >> M.Koray Tahiroglu >> Acoustics Lab / TKK >> http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt >> http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~ktahirog/ >> tel: +358 45 233 6272 >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, > one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better > language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
marc widmer wrote: hi IOhannes you are right, it compiles without ffmpeg. i moved my changed c_track object to the new pidip sources and it seems to work, i have to check it intensively in the next days. the old pidip will not compile, guess it's what yves mentioned, my imagamagick version is too new. so if my project is not running with the new pidip i guess i have to downgrade imagemagick (cross my fingers for no dependency problems here :) but i hope i do not have to do that. only if you use pdp_capture which i doubt... best, sevy thanks a lot. atb marc IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marc widmer wrote: hi IOhannes thanks for your inputs... yes, pdp is installed an running (PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs) ffmpeg is from cvs, but not from sourceforge, apparently ffmpeg moved to ffmpeg.org i downloaded it via svn from here: svn checkout svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg this most likely won't work. ffmpeg is changing rapidly (usually more rapidly than the application that rely on it) - so you will have to get a version that is known to work with PiDiP. in the notes it mentions ffmpeg >= 0.4.9, so you should probably get 0.4.9, and not the head of ffmpeg's repository. until you get it, i suggest trying to compile pidip without ffmpeg support. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marc widmer wrote: hi IOhannes thanks for your inputs... yes, pdp is installed an running (PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs) ffmpeg is from cvs, but not from sourceforge, apparently ffmpeg moved to ffmpeg.org i downloaded it via svn from here: svn checkout svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg this most likely won't work. ffmpeg is changing rapidly (usually more rapidly than the application that rely on it) - so you will have to get a version that is known to work with PiDiP. in the notes it mentions ffmpeg >= 0.4.9, so you should probably get 0.4.9, and not the head of ffmpeg's repository. until you get it, i suggest trying to compile pidip without ffmpeg support. you're right Iohannes, good advice to get rid of ffmpeg, convert you files to .ogg with ffmpeg2theora and use pdp_theorin~, an easier way... see you in Linz, Iohannes shanti, sevy fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
Hallo, Geoff hat gesagt: // Geoff wrote: > So I can actually build filters from smaller building blocks in PD, Yes, with the elementary filter objects you can directly input poles and zeros as Pd objects. You should definitely read Miller Puckette's book, it's fantastic and has a very good introduction to Pd's filters and will teach you to use Pd like a pro. :) Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will hold off on the netbook idea for now. Actually, the AudioPint concept is really playing with my imagination. Hmmm... Gem in a box, literaly. With enough forethought, it could be awesome. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Yes! rjlib is really nice!
I finally tried using svn, it's really simple...I guess I was intimidated by
nothing.
svn checkout http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/
So simple!
But really, kudos on such a beautiful, minimal, functional, cohesive
library.
~Kyle
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Enrique Erne wrote:
> i had a look at rjlib. it's a beautiful collection. i love the fact that it
> is not too big and not using any external.
>
> though why is there a u_sssad.pd it seems the same as the original sssad.pd
> frank didn't you say once you would prefer that people don't include their
> own copy of sssad?
>
> same with the new-fast list-drip in u_listdrip.. is it just for
> naming-convention that you renamed the abstraction?
>
> the whole e_ and s_ part is fantastic there are some really powerful
> effects and filters in there. i looked more carefully and the only phone
> related one is m_touch2grid which could be useful without a phone too.
>
> is this the correct url?
> http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/rj
>
> hm... now i've seen
> http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/
>
> this is ofcorse phone specific and what confuses me now is that there is a
> copy of sssad.pd
>
> anyway rjlib/rj is just beautiful. what license is it released under?
> i couldn't find anything about that in the wiki.
>
> eni
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank Barknecht wrote:
>
>> Hallo,
>> hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:
>>
>> yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly.
>>>
>>> i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions.
>>> that
>>> was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the
>>> abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way
>>> because
>>> i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and
>>> the
>>> thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI
>>> was not appealing at the time.
>>>
>>> but now, i think that is the only way to go. like, as you said, for
>>> polyphony. and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to
>>> build your own gui for custom control.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;)
>>
>>
>>> i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with
>>> rjlib. but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't
>>> exactly
>>> fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are
>>> discussing.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to
>> be
>> used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all
>> purpose"
>> library, but a lot of it doesn't.
>> Ciao
>>
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Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
And visit here for much goodness http://www.musicdsp.org/ On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:24:20 + Geoff wrote: > Okay :( > it was a nice dream though. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] dynamic creation arguments for route
>Is is possible to dynamically alter the creation arguments for a route >object? [maxlib/nroute] can do that. The only difference to [route] is that it doesn't eliminate the value that is routed. This is because it can be set to any location of the list that's coming in. Ingo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
Okay :( it was a nice dream though. I have been thinking its probably worthwhile me downloading and installing linux onto my macbook purely to download the CCRMA stack of programs including PD and then working my way through Julius Smith books and accompanying papers then hopefully I will have the right versions/builds of everything to create physical models in PD and will be working with the system there is most information about. CHeers Geoff On 17 Mar 2009, at 16:13, Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:00:32 + Geoff wrote: So I can actually build filters from smaller building blocks in PD, Yes, and it's great fun and very educational I thought that this can be done in PD as a test exercise but not if I want to create something that will actually work fast enough to be usable as a synthesizer. I'm glad to have been wrong! Well, sorry if this is misleading. We are on the borderline of right and wrong. This is where we hit Pd limitations at the lower level of granularity. yes you can build any filter, but not as efficient as hand coding and compiling. This is the disparity between the wonders of Pd as a development tool and the reality of using its output. Develop in Pd. For a vast majority of DSP development Pd with variable blocksize is a perfect tool if you could only work in dataflow THEN: hit "compile" Are there any tutorials on this any where? Only in my dreams I'm afraid. :) It's what I wish for. Right now the choice is 1) Flext - wipes your ass a bit, but still requires some arcane C++ knowledge - advantage builds for Max and Pd 2) Faust - generates fast but opaque code, very flexible platform targets, weird DSP algebra notation 3) Hand craft in C - most flexible, tedious setup of supporting structure. 4) Andy's IDE (imaginary development environment) - pros: perfect, cons: does not exist in reality. :) a. -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:00:32 + Geoff wrote: > > So I can actually build filters from smaller building blocks in PD, Yes, and it's great fun and very educational > I thought that this can be done in PD as a test exercise but not if I > want to create something that will actually work fast enough to be > usable as a synthesizer. I'm glad to have been wrong! Well, sorry if this is misleading. We are on the borderline of right and wrong. This is where we hit Pd limitations at the lower level of granularity. yes you can build any filter, but not as efficient as hand coding and compiling. This is the disparity between the wonders of Pd as a development tool and the reality of using its output. > > > Develop in Pd. For a vast majority of DSP development Pd with > > variable blocksize is a perfect tool if you could only work in > > dataflow THEN: hit "compile" > > > > Are there any tutorials on this any where? Only in my dreams I'm afraid. :) It's what I wish for. Right now the choice is 1) Flext - wipes your ass a bit, but still requires some arcane C++ knowledge - advantage builds for Max and Pd 2) Faust - generates fast but opaque code, very flexible platform targets, weird DSP algebra notation 3) Hand craft in C - most flexible, tedious setup of supporting structure. 4) Andy's IDE (imaginary development environment) - pros: perfect, cons: does not exist in reality. :) a. -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Ben Baker-Smith wrote: > -Does the netbook have enough processing power for general GEM > applications? I'm usually not dealing with video files, but rather particle > generation, shape manipulation, GIF texturing, and audio-response. On my > Macbook (2.0 GHz intel processor) the CPU meter always shows below 50% usage i think you can expect a pd patch wich runs at 50 percent on a 2 ghz dualcore machine, to use about 200 precent on the atom-cpu. my patches which need about 60 percent on my old pentium m, 1.4 ghz, use 130 percent on the a110. > -Are there any other issues that you think of given this scenario? and if > so, what other affordable/really-cheap laptops are there out there that I > can run linux on? i would try to get a used intel notebook, if (small) size does not matter that much, and google if it is known to run linux well. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
Thanks for the reply This is interesting, but I am not sure if I understand you correctly. A nice example of this would be building filters like biquad starting with just [+~], [*~] and [z~]. Then in the second round using them to make a synthesiser. Then in the third round using those to make a stand alone musical application ... all in a days development! So I can actually build filters from smaller building blocks in PD, So things like a Delay line to simulate a string is possible where by I can actually change the filtering in the feedback and feedforward paths to simulate different conditions? I.e. using [Z~] [*] I can create things like a comb filter but then have the freedom to put other sorts of filtering in it to make it more complex i.e. simulate the end effects of strings etc. all inside a single object. I thought that this can be done in PD as a test exercise but not if I want to create something that will actually work fast enough to be usable as a synthesizer. I'm glad to have been wrong! Develop in Pd. For a vast majority of DSP development Pd with variable blocksize is a perfect tool if you could only work in dataflow THEN: hit "compile" Are there any tutorials on this any where? ** Pd should be able to compile its own externals *** then you'd get an external built from a properly componentised pdlib Where can I find further information about this? that you can immediately include into the running patch (no having to exit Pd to flush cached classes), just continue building abstraction upon abstraction (as compiled code) this way. Cheers Geoff On 17 Mar 2009, at 15:32, Andy Farnell wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:52:17 +0100 Nicolas Montgermont wrote: Hello, If you have the example in faust, there is an online compiler for puredata external: http://faust.grame.fr/compiler.php I haven't test it though. It works very well. Though the question you arrive at is, do you want to think in Faust's symbolic 'DSP algebra'? It's actually very elegant, but is a cognitive island (as a further aside, it is easier to pick up if you already think in dataflow). The problem is, ordinary C and C++ code isn't easy to integrate. The code generated by the filter is tersely optimised. A temporary happy solution is to use Faust's Pd arch filter to make some ready made wrappers. Then just drop C/++ code into the main loop. It gets around the chores of building a Pd external from scratch each time. But, if you are going to start doing that sort of thing, that's what Flext is supposed to be for, though it doesn't quite work out as easy as you might hope. The idea that you can compile for VST, Max, Pd or a standalone GUI app is very appealing, for both Flext and Faust. Ultimately, the logical thing is to amplify what Georg says: Develop in Pd. For a vast majority of DSP development Pd with variable blocksize is a perfect tool if you could only work in dataflow THEN: hit "compile" ** Pd should be able to compile its own externals *** then you'd get an external built from a properly componentised pdlib that you can immediately include into the running patch (no having to exit Pd to flush cached classes), just continue building abstraction upon abstraction (as compiled code) this way. A nice example of this would be building filters like biquad starting with just [+~], [*~] and [z~]. Then in the second round using them to make a synthesiser. Then in the third round using those to make a stand alone musical application ... all in a days development! as Bill Hicks would say... "just planting seeds" Nicolas Le 17/03/09 15:28, Geoff a écrit : *Q) I want to create my own Pure data objects specifically filters starting with the examples in Julius Smiths book. What would be the most straight forward path to take to begin with given my System, lack of experience, aims what I would like is the easiest route to begin with :)* -- http://nim.on.free.fr -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] couldnt create pdp
hi all, i recently purchases an acer aspire one netbook, its running fedora 8 i installed pd=extended through yum and was ready to begin using.. for some reason it wouldnt create any of the pidip specific objects and on the irc a person asked me to create a pdp object and see what the error was, it was the follow: /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_linux: /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_linux: undefined symbol: pdp_metro_setup pdp ... couldn't create pure dyne willl not run on this machine. and i am desperate to get pd-extended running on this machine successfully... i would try one of the nightly builds of pd-extended but i cant figure out which package i require, ia m inexperienced with nameing structures in linux... any help greatly appreciated... Paul Finn ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:52:17 +0100 Nicolas Montgermont wrote: > Hello, > > If you have the example in faust, there is an online compiler for > puredata external: > http://faust.grame.fr/compiler.php > I haven't test it though. It works very well. Though the question you arrive at is, do you want to think in Faust's symbolic 'DSP algebra'? It's actually very elegant, but is a cognitive island (as a further aside, it is easier to pick up if you already think in dataflow). The problem is, ordinary C and C++ code isn't easy to integrate. The code generated by the filter is tersely optimised. A temporary happy solution is to use Faust's Pd arch filter to make some ready made wrappers. Then just drop C/++ code into the main loop. It gets around the chores of building a Pd external from scratch each time. But, if you are going to start doing that sort of thing, that's what Flext is supposed to be for, though it doesn't quite work out as easy as you might hope. The idea that you can compile for VST, Max, Pd or a standalone GUI app is very appealing, for both Flext and Faust. Ultimately, the logical thing is to amplify what Georg says: Develop in Pd. For a vast majority of DSP development Pd with variable blocksize is a perfect tool if you could only work in dataflow THEN: hit "compile" ** Pd should be able to compile its own externals *** then you'd get an external built from a properly componentised pdlib that you can immediately include into the running patch (no having to exit Pd to flush cached classes), just continue building abstraction upon abstraction (as compiled code) this way. A nice example of this would be building filters like biquad starting with just [+~], [*~] and [z~]. Then in the second round using them to make a synthesiser. Then in the third round using those to make a stand alone musical application ... all in a days development! as Bill Hicks would say... "just planting seeds" > > Nicolas > > Le 17/03/09 15:28, Geoff a écrit : > > > > > > *Q) I want to create my own Pure data objects specifically filters > > starting with the examples in Julius Smiths book. What would be the > > most straight forward path to take to begin with given my System, lack > > of experience, aims what I would like is the easiest route to > > begin with :)* > > > > > > -- > http://nim.on.free.fr > -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: The point of looking into the netbook was as an affordable piece of hardware that wouldn't cost me as much to replace if it got busted up / stolen at a show. If I was looking to find the optimal system I would, of course, be looking elsewhere. ah ..well but may be you could apply other techniques of theft prevention - like make it look on so shiny - i mean put stickers all over the place .. personally, I use sandpaper for that... on plastic... haven't tried on metal surfaces yet. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
Hello, If you have the example in faust, there is an online compiler for puredata external: http://faust.grame.fr/compiler.php I haven't test it though. Nicolas Le 17/03/09 15:28, Geoff a écrit : *Q) I want to create my own Pure data objects specifically filters starting with the examples in Julius Smiths book. What would be the most straight forward path to take to begin with given my System, lack of experience, aims what I would like is the easiest route to begin with :)* -- http://nim.on.free.fr ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
maybe you could have a look to : http://pdstatic.iem.at/externals-HOWTO ... 2009/3/17 Geoff : > Hi > This is quite along post but I thought the background was needed for it to > make sense. > Background > I have previous programming experience however I have been using Pure Data > for several months now and am enjoying learning it. I am trying to learn DSP > for myself purely out of personal interest for the subject. I bought a book > on DSP and became hooked after reading it. :) > From that point I have relearnt all the A-level maths I studied over 10 > years ago and a few bits of physics, I have gone the the whole of Millers > book on Pure Data and whilst I would be lying if I said the whole thing made > sense I can certainly understand and implement alot of it. > I then moved on to Julius Smiths books on digital filters and physical > modelling which is where I am at the moment. And I am making slow progress > there as there is alot to assimilate in that I need to not only be able to > understand the topic related to Physics, Maths etc. but then know how to use > Matlab and C++ and Faust which is all quite a mountain. > Long Term Aim > What I want to do eventually when things make more sense is to work with > creating my own physical models which if I am to do it in pure data would > surely need me to create externals to run the filtering all inside one > object. > System > Mac OS 10.4.11 Macbook, Pure Data, Octave, Max/Msp, Xcode, Downloaded and > installed Faust but not sure how to invoke it :( > Mission > What I would like to be able to do is to take the examples I am reading > about in Julius Smiths books and create them as externals within Pure Data > so I can use them, Play with them :) > I.e. the book that I am working through 'Introduction to digital filters' > contains lots of example Matlab and C code for different filters and also > mentions Faust, then there is also flext to consider. > http://puredata.info/Members/thomas/flext-intro.pdf > Q) I want to create my own Pure data objects specifically filters starting > with the examples in Julius Smiths book. What would be the most straight > forward path to take to begin with given my System, lack of experience, aims > what I would like is the easiest route to begin with :) > I.e. seem to have all these programs Octave (matlab), Faust, Xcode ,Flext, > Terminal etc. > which would be the best path to follow to learn to create my own externals. > Tuition > If there is anyone in the Cambridge England area who does one to one tuition > and could teach me how to create my own externals please let me know. > Guidance appreciated > Geoff > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > -- David Doukhan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
Hallo! experience, aims what I would like is the easiest route to begin with :)* First rule is always: use C/C++ only if it is _really_ necessary. (you can design most of your filters also with pd's elementary filter objects ...) If you really want DSP externals: http://pdstatic.iem.at/externals-HOWTO/ LG Georg I.e. seem to have all these programs Octave (matlab), Faust, Xcode ,Flext, Terminal etc. which would be the best path to follow to learn to create my own externals. Tuition If there is anyone in the Cambridge England area who does one to one tuition and could teach me how to create my own externals please let me know. Guidance appreciated Geoff ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Writing you own externals in PD How to?
Hi This is quite along post but I thought the background was needed for it to make sense. Background I have previous programming experience however I have been using Pure Data for several months now and am enjoying learning it. I am trying to learn DSP for myself purely out of personal interest for the subject. I bought a book on DSP and became hooked after reading it. :) From that point I have relearnt all the A-level maths I studied over 10 years ago and a few bits of physics, I have gone the the whole of Millers book on Pure Data and whilst I would be lying if I said the whole thing made sense I can certainly understand and implement alot of it. I then moved on to Julius Smiths books on digital filters and physical modelling which is where I am at the moment. And I am making slow progress there as there is alot to assimilate in that I need to not only be able to understand the topic related to Physics, Maths etc. but then know how to use Matlab and C++ and Faust which is all quite a mountain. Long Term Aim What I want to do eventually when things make more sense is to work with creating my own physical models which if I am to do it in pure data would surely need me to create externals to run the filtering all inside one object. System Mac OS 10.4.11 Macbook, Pure Data, Octave, Max/Msp, Xcode, Downloaded and installed Faust but not sure how to invoke it :( Mission What I would like to be able to do is to take the examples I am reading about in Julius Smiths books and create them as externals within Pure Data so I can use them, Play with them :) I.e. the book that I am working through 'Introduction to digital filters' contains lots of example Matlab and C code for different filters and also mentions Faust, then there is also flext to consider. http://puredata.info/Members/thomas/flext-intro.pdf Q) I want to create my own Pure data objects specifically filters starting with the examples in Julius Smiths book. What would be the most straight forward path to take to begin with given my System, lack of experience, aims what I would like is the easiest route to begin with :) I.e. seem to have all these programs Octave (matlab), Faust, Xcode ,Flext, Terminal etc. which would be the best path to follow to learn to create my own externals. Tuition If there is anyone in the Cambridge England area who does one to one tuition and could teach me how to create my own externals please let me know. Guidance appreciated Geoff ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
hi IOhannes you are right, it compiles without ffmpeg. i moved my changed c_track object to the new pidip sources and it seems to work, i have to check it intensively in the next days. the old pidip will not compile, guess it's what yves mentioned, my imagamagick version is too new. so if my project is not running with the new pidip i guess i have to downgrade imagemagick (cross my fingers for no dependency problems here :) but i hope i do not have to do that. thanks a lot. atb marc IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marc widmer wrote: hi IOhannes thanks for your inputs... yes, pdp is installed an running (PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs) ffmpeg is from cvs, but not from sourceforge, apparently ffmpeg moved to ffmpeg.org i downloaded it via svn from here: svn checkout svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg this most likely won't work. ffmpeg is changing rapidly (usually more rapidly than the application that rely on it) - so you will have to get a version that is known to work with PiDiP. in the notes it mentions ffmpeg >= 0.4.9, so you should probably get 0.4.9, and not the head of ffmpeg's repository. until you get it, i suggest trying to compile pidip without ffmpeg support. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
marc widmer wrote: hi IOhannes thanks for your inputs... yes, pdp is installed an running (PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs) ffmpeg is from cvs, but not from sourceforge, apparently ffmpeg moved to ffmpeg.org i downloaded it via svn from here: svn checkout svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg this most likely won't work. ffmpeg is changing rapidly (usually more rapidly than the application that rely on it) - so you will have to get a version that is known to work with PiDiP. in the notes it mentions ffmpeg >= 0.4.9, so you should probably get 0.4.9, and not the head of ffmpeg's repository. until you get it, i suggest trying to compile pidip without ffmpeg support. fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:18:54AM -0500, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: > The point of looking into the netbook was as an affordable piece of hardware > that wouldn't cost me as much to replace if it got busted up / stolen at a > show. If I was looking to find the optimal system I would, of course, be > looking elsewhere. ah ..well but may be you could apply other techniques of theft prevention - like make it look on so shiny - i mean put stickers all over the place .. > > You don't think GEM will run on a netbook? Even if it's got an independent > graphics card (of course, that kinda squashes the "cheap" factor) ? > Also, do you have any experience using GEM or are you just hating? > Sorry, have to ask. Since you didn't actually offer any advice in your > response I just don't know. > > -Ben no, i'm really quite an audio person, but i know how much the graphics take. there such accelerated video cards that you can plug exteranly - those machines (like accer one or eeepc) don't have anything apart from usb (!) my friend got a decent laptop for graphics (live vj'ing he does) and that costed hi over a thousand quid (may be even 1500something). the brand is ROCK (they are no so famoust but apparently very good) that has got like 1024meg of video ram ;) you probaly don't need to get something like that unless you really can aford it ;) may be you could instead get a cheapish pc (like mini- or pico- ATX) and install good pic-express graphics card in that .. also you can make a case like these ones - http://audiopint.org/ that would prevent it from being stolen (presuming that the duedes are particularly after lappies and such stuff that looks good for a quick dodgy sale). yeah.. cause if you consider any other laptop capable for that graphics stuff, you'd have to go for a big fancy machine (like a one which would suite a gamer), and that is obviously the winner from the point of view of the thiefs! also keep in mind that good graphics need more power and better cooling :) this looks quite good - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4076168220.html i do look at small boards lately, but the market is too rapid and i'm not buying one now.. i plan to make some machines like the audiopint dude did ;) cheers, hope this helps, -- ilya d. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
hi IOhannes thanks for your inputs... yes, pdp is installed an running (PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs) ffmpeg is from cvs, but not from sourceforge, apparently ffmpeg moved to ffmpeg.org i downloaded it via svn from here: svn checkout svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg compilation went fine. but beside the note that you should compile ffmpeg from cvs, which is not available anymore (guess svn should be the right replacement), there is no special version mentioned. if you have any other suggestions, i would be really happy, as for now, i do not really know where's the problem. best marc IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: marc widmer wrote: hi my configure command looks like this: ./configure --with-pd=/usr/lib/pd --with-pdp=/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/externals/pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/ffmpeg/ two suggestions: - have you configured and built pdp? - is the ffmpeg you installed of the "correct" version? (i think the correct version is mentioned somewhere pidip's readme) mfgasr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
marc widmer wrote: hi my configure command looks like this: ./configure --with-pd=/usr/lib/pd --with-pdp=/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/externals/pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/ffmpeg/ two suggestions: - have you configured and built pdp? - is the ffmpeg you installed of the "correct" version? (i think the correct version is mentioned somewhere pidip's readme) mfgasr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
Looks good, a nice surprise, I didn't even realize you were writing it. I added this to my class syllabus site, I'll let you know what the students say. Koray, a PID would be a fun book to write, I am up for it! First lets get the FLOSS manuals Pure Data book out there. .hc On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Congratulations Johannes, This book will definitely be a bonus teaching material together with Miller's book for the computer generated music course that I am planning to teach next autumn. I had already involved Andy's book for the Sound design ( + a bit physics of sound ) course. Now lets hope that they will add these courses in the next curriculum :) and I guess there is one book we are still seeking at the moment that focuses Physical Interaction Design, the same way as Johannes' book. Earlier together with Hans we developed PID course materials, and his latest work embedding firmata in arduino library hopefully will bring up more Pd examples, and maybe later we will have another book. What do you think about this Hans? That would be great :) Koray On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:42 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:12:21 +0100 From: Johannes Kreidler Subject: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: <49bea495.8060...@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed hi list, I am pleased to announce that the big pd tutorial I wrote in the last years with the help of a grant by the Music University of Freiburg / Germany, is now online, in english and in german. It is also available as a book (paperback) at Wolke Publishing House, where the "bang" book was released. At the moment, Amazon says that it's not available, which is strange because it's definitely released, but at least it can be purchased at the Publishing House itself. http://www.pd-tutorial.com http://www.wolke-verlag.de/musik_u_t/loadbang.html http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/53108697370a2cb3f/5310869bc400a7a02.html http://www.amazon.de/Loadbang-Programming-Electronic-Music-Pure/dp/3936000573/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1235853524&sr=8-3 Cheers Johannes - M.Koray Tahiroglu Acoustics Lab / TKK http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~ktahirog/ tel: +358 45 233 6272 All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
Yeah, in case I came across too strong, I think that IRC is very useful, and voice chat is too. We can have both running for this meeting, and people can choose where they participate. IRC is great for async communications, like asking specific questions. But I find it takes 10-20x longer to work through difficult issues thru text-only media like IRC, IM, email, etc. as compared to a voice conversation. .hc On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, João Pais wrote: Is this a one time thing, or might happen more times? I would say that at least voice connection would be productive. I haven't that much experience with video conferencing, but a medium where people can react at the same time they can think would be important. (although after too much time, even the fingers are faster than some heads) How about voice connection for general talk + an irc chat for small, fast questions? We can also send a group foto with skype, so that everyone feels the warmth. Marshall McLuhan would strongly disagree with you, as do I. The medium with which you communicate has a very strong impact on the conversation. That does not mean that it is the only influence. There are many things that lead to a bad meeting, and from my experience of having many meetings in person, on IRC, on IM, on phones, on voice chat, on video chat, and many different mixes above, I am a strong believer in high-bandwidth communication like voice. Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidip compilation problem
hi my configure command looks like this: ./configure --with-pd=/usr/lib/pd --with-pdp=/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/externals/pdp/ --with-ffmpeg=/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/ffmpeg/ i added this option --disable-capture but with no success, old pidip fails at the same point. (actually the disable option is not available in this version) my image-magick version is obviously later: imagemagick_6.3.7.9.dfsg1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb i checked, the new pidip from svn has --disable-option with autoconf i genereated a new configure and after this i could compile further but, now im stucked with pdp_live~ i have installed latest ffmpeg from source, but now i am stucked with this (see below) it does not mention anything missing, so i do not know where to search. btw. can i easily port my changed pdp_ctrack (v 0.1) to the newest pidip install (haven't done it yet)? i guess my pidip at the time was .18 or .19, in .23 pdp_ctrack still has version number 0.1 which makes me confident. if you could help me out, i would be reallly happy. pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_decode_packet’: pdp_live~.c:268: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned pdp_live~.c:282: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:294: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘avcodec_decode_audio’ pdp_live~.c:342: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:343: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:346: warning: ‘audio_resample_init’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/local/include/libavcodec/avcodec.h:2573) pdp_live~.c:347: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:349: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:354: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:400: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:401: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:403: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:410: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_decode_video’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c:411: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:414: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:445: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:446: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_connect_to_url’: pdp_live~.c:590: error: ‘AVFormatParameters’ has no member named ‘image_format’ pdp_live~.c:623: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned pdp_live~.c:652: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:656: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:659: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:659: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:661: error: request for member ‘sample_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:661: error: request for member ‘channels’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:664: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:667: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:668: error: request for member ‘bit_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:670: error: request for member ‘frame_rate’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:671: error: request for member ‘width’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:672: error: request for member ‘height’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:679: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned pdp_live~.c:686: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in something not a structure or union pdp_live~.c:700: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_open’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_disconnect’: pdp_live~.c:778: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned pdp_live~.c:783: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘avcodec_close’ from incompatible pointer type pdp_live~.c: In function ‘pdp_live_free’: pdp_live~.c:980: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘av_free_static’ make[1]: *** [pdp_live~.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/metafor/Desktop/puredata-externals/externals/pidip/modules' make: *** [pdp_pidip_all] Error 2 cheers marc ydego...@gmail.com wrote: ola, what was you configure command ? ./configure --help --enable-capturecapture optional object ( only works with Image Magick <= 6.0.7 ) this became optional ..
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: > How do "we" feel about the use of actual whitespace, particularly > in inlet and outlet boxes. I generally use - and _ as hierarchy > and spacing delimiters as per convention, but when it comes to inlets > and outlets I often say [outlet patch params] or something, thinking > everything but 'patch' will be ignored. > > Anyone else suspect this is storing up trouble for the future? With xlets, there still is the undecided question if the first argument should serve a different purpose than tooltips. It could be used to specify the order explicitly or to do reblocking etc. So even the use of inlet arguments to specify tooltips is unofficial. It's probably to late already, but grabbing more arguments is a bit dangerous IMO (I don't even use the first arg so far, but I'm always a bit extracautious). Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 03:49:11 -0500 Luke Iannini wrote: > "-" for hierarchies, as Miller and Frank and many others seem to do > (e.g. $0-foobar-baz, and as part of pd itself: [s pd-mysubpatch]) > "_" as "space", e.g. [receive a_certain_frob] How do "we" feel about the use of actual whitespace, particularly in inlet and outlet boxes. I generally use - and _ as hierarchy and spacing delimiters as per convention, but when it comes to inlets and outlets I often say [outlet patch params] or something, thinking everything but 'patch' will be ignored. Anyone else suspect this is storing up trouble for the future? a. -- Use the source ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Hallo, Enrique Erne hat gesagt: // Enrique Erne wrote: > i had a look at rjlib. it's a beautiful collection. i love the fact that > it is not too big and not using any external. > > though why is there a u_sssad.pd it seems the same as the original > sssad.pd frank didn't you say once you would prefer that people don't > include their own copy of sssad? No, I'm fine with that - actually it's encouraged. sssad.pd is just a single file. But people should keep theire copy up to date. ;) What I don't like is if people use [sssad/sssad] and expect it to work on everyone's system automatically. > same with the new-fast list-drip in u_listdrip.. is it just for > naming-convention that you renamed the abstraction? Yes, it's just for the naming convention we use. While I don't want to duplicate other libraries, I also wanted to include a minimal set of useful list-handling-objects. IMO list-drip, list-map/reduce/filter, a list serializer and an index lookup are the core objects for list-operations in addition to the builtins. > the whole e_ and s_ part is fantastic there are some really powerful > effects and filters in there. i looked more carefully and the only phone > related one is m_touch2grid which could be useful without a phone too. > > is this the correct url? > http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/rj > > hm... now i've seen > http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/ > > this is ofcorse phone specific and what confuses me now is that there is > a copy of sssad.pd We include sssad as u_sssad because it's central to the saving system (as are the u_loader and u_dispatch objects) so including it lets people use it without having to fetch it from somewhere else first. Rjlib is pretty much self-contained. > anyway rjlib/rj is just beautiful. what license is it released under? > i couldn't find anything about that in the wiki. Ah, tagging all objects with licenses - that's something on my big TODO list. :( rjlib is planned to be GPL v3 with some patches, like those that have been taken from the docs, under BSD. sssad or the list-stuff for example is still BSD. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Yo! Sorry I have been absent, I've been at SXSW : ). You asked about the style guide in the other thread: Amusingly I ground to a halt on it when I tried to figure out the different word-separators for hierarchies, spaces and OSC addresses : ). But! I've finally somehow spontaneously decided the most "Pd-like" specification is: "-" for hierarchies, as Miller and Frank and many others seem to do (e.g. $0-foobar-baz, and as part of pd itself: [s pd-mysubpatch]) "_" as "space", e.g. [receive a_certain_frob] AFAICT this is pretty much what rjlib has settled on as well? (perhaps less deliberately) SO! If you love consistency and interoperability, please now begin using this : ). (I myself am now condemned to obsessively change hundreds of my patches, since I had personally settled on an inconsistent mess of "." and "/" for hierarchies and "-" for space :&.) And, if anyone else cared about programmatically reconciling such names with OSC addresses, it's easy enough to just dynamically replace "-" with "/" where appropriate (using zexy or any2string or whatever). I've resurrected the Style Guide here with this mandate ;) and will continue folding things into it from the previous discussions as well as those about to occur... http://puredata.info/docs/style-guide/StyleGuideDraft2 I'm very much in agreement with everything else being said about separation of gui and logic... Best Luke On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Enrique Erne wrote: > i had a look at rjlib. it's a beautiful collection. i love the fact that it > is not too big and not using any external. > > though why is there a u_sssad.pd it seems the same as the original sssad.pd > frank didn't you say once you would prefer that people don't include their > own copy of sssad? > > same with the new-fast list-drip in u_listdrip.. is it just for > naming-convention that you renamed the abstraction? > > the whole e_ and s_ part is fantastic there are some really powerful effects > and filters in there. i looked more carefully and the only phone related one > is m_touch2grid which could be useful without a phone too. > > is this the correct url? > http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/rj > > hm... now i've seen > http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/ > > this is ofcorse phone specific and what confuses me now is that there is a > copy of sssad.pd > > anyway rjlib/rj is just beautiful. what license is it released under? > i couldn't find anything about that in the wiki. > > eni > > > > > > Frank Barknecht wrote: >> >> Hallo, >> hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: >> >>> yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly. >>> >>> i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. >>> that >>> was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the >>> abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way >>> because >>> i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and >>> the >>> thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI >>> was not appealing at the time. >>> >>> but now, i think that is the only way to go. like, as you said, for >>> polyphony. and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to >>> build your own gui for custom control. >> >> Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;) >> >>> >>> i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with >>> rjlib. but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't >>> exactly >>> fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are >>> discussing. >> >> Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to >> be >> used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all >> purpose" >> library, but a lot of it doesn't. >> Ciao > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com
Congratulations Johannes, This book will definitely be a bonus teaching material together with Miller's book for the computer generated music course that I am planning to teach next autumn. I had already involved Andy's book for the Sound design ( + a bit physics of sound ) course. Now lets hope that they will add these courses in the next curriculum :) and I guess there is one book we are still seeking at the moment that focuses Physical Interaction Design, the same way as Johannes' book. Earlier together with Hans we developed PID course materials, and his latest work embedding firmata in arduino library hopefully will bring up more Pd examples, and maybe later we will have another book. What do you think about this Hans? That would be great :) Koray On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:42 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:12:21 +0100 From: Johannes Kreidler Subject: [PD] www.pd-tutorial.com To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: <49bea495.8060...@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed hi list, I am pleased to announce that the big pd tutorial I wrote in the last years with the help of a grant by the Music University of Freiburg / Germany, is now online, in english and in german. It is also available as a book (paperback) at Wolke Publishing House, where the "bang" book was released. At the moment, Amazon says that it's not available, which is strange because it's definitely released, but at least it can be purchased at the Publishing House itself. http://www.pd-tutorial.com http://www.wolke-verlag.de/musik_u_t/loadbang.html http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.buecher-zur-musik.de/53108697370a2cb3f/5310869bc400a7a02.html http://www.amazon.de/Loadbang-Programming-Electronic-Music-Pure/dp/3936000573/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1235853524&sr=8-3 Cheers Johannes - M.Koray Tahiroglu Acoustics Lab / TKK http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~ktahirog/ tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
i had a look at rjlib. it's a beautiful collection. i love the fact that it is not too big and not using any external. though why is there a u_sssad.pd it seems the same as the original sssad.pd frank didn't you say once you would prefer that people don't include their own copy of sssad? same with the new-fast list-drip in u_listdrip.. is it just for naming-convention that you renamed the abstraction? the whole e_ and s_ part is fantastic there are some really powerful effects and filters in there. i looked more carefully and the only phone related one is m_touch2grid which could be useful without a phone too. is this the correct url? http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/rj hm... now i've seen http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/ this is ofcorse phone specific and what confuses me now is that there is a copy of sssad.pd anyway rjlib/rj is just beautiful. what license is it released under? i couldn't find anything about that in the wiki. eni Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly. i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. that was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way because i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and the thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI was not appealing at the time. but now, i think that is the only way to go. like, as you said, for polyphony. and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to build your own gui for custom control. Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;) i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with rjlib. but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't exactly fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are discussing. Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to be used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all purpose" library, but a lot of it doesn't. Ciao ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, danomatika hat gesagt: // danomatika wrote: So rc-chorus~_ is a regular object and rc-chorus~ is a gui wrapper with SSSAD. So if you want SSSAD you use the gui. I wouldn't put the sssad objects in the version with GUI. IMO It's more useful to have them in the engine objects, e.g. for polyphony. could you explain the polyphony example? doesn't each voice have the same parameter, coming from the gui? in my experience it's best to save the state right at the interface, i don't see the point of saving state deep in the core. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
