Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-18 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, josepadovani wrote: On the next PdCon we should have sessions for physics related papers, presentations and performances (without cars!)... ;) It would require that people submit physics-related papers in the first place...

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:00:09PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Instantaneousness is a myth. It does not exist in nature. I thought that at the moment it looks quite a lot like the collapse of a wave function of an electron being measured is instantaneous. Heisenberg is driving along in his

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread josepadovani
Chris McCormick escreveu: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:00:09PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Instantaneousness is a myth. It does not exist in nature. I thought that at the moment it looks quite a lot like the collapse of a wave function of an electron being measured is instantaneous.

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread Andy Farnell
Can't be smaller than one unit of Plank time, about 10e-44s, because any machine capable of measuring it would require all the mass/energy in the universe. (so a fat bloke down the pub told me) So, basically the universe is band limited. On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:04:22 +0100 Chris McCormick

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 04:00:09PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Instantaneousness is a myth. It does not exist in nature. I thought that at the moment it looks quite a lot like the collapse of a wave function of an electron being measured is

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, josepadovani wrote: On the next PdCon we should have sessions for physics related papers, presentations and performances (without cars!)... ;) It would require that people submit physics-related papers in the first place... but it would have to be physics-with-pd, for

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Derek Holzer wrote: As I said already, I'm not interested in predictability. Analog nonlinearity is interesting to me, much more so than digital pseudo-randomness. I wonder what you mean by nonlinearity... it seems that there are wholly different definitions of it.

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Derek Holzer wrote: I can't really say from a supra-atomic standpoint I could agree with you, but I'd settle for the speed of light, Oh yes, the speed of light (in vacuum) is quite exactly the maximum propagation speed. Which is quite a bit faster than your average

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-15 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Jerome, as you probably discovered, you need to use a send~/receive~ pair or other type of one-block delay to make any kind of feedback in Pd to avoid the dreaded DSP loop detected error. Filters, delays, waveshapers and other things can affect the signal along the way. But to be honest,

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-15 Thread Daniel Wilcox
Hey Guys, sti For artistic inspiration, I would highly recommend Kevin Drumm's Imperial Distortion CD, which was composed using very simple filter/EQ feedback loops. Raphael Toral's Aeriola Frequency and Cyclorama Lift 3 CDs also use a no input technique of delays and equalizers, as do all

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-15 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Derek Holzer wrote: as you probably discovered, you need to use a send~/receive~ pair or other type of one-block delay to make any kind of feedback in Pd You don't need it to be one block...? For one, feedback in the digital realm is never instantaneous,

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-15 Thread Derek Holzer
As I said already, I'm not interested in predictability. Analog nonlinearity is interesting to me, much more so than digital pseudo-randomness. But my main interest is in being able to maintain a live performance in the midst of all this unpredictability. When digital stuff fails, it tends to

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-15 Thread Derek Holzer
I can't really say from a supra-atomic standpoint I could agree with you, but I'd settle for the speed of light, or even the remotely distant figure of the response time of an op-amp. Which is quite a bit faster than your average blocksize or even a single discrete sample--assuming that a

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-15 Thread Phil Stone
Of course, feedback does not require simultaneity...nor does it always imply an acoustic system (though I'm guessing that's what you're referring to, Derek). One nice thing about those digital goblins is that they can feed-back *information* about the music. More interestingly, they can

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Jerome Covington wrote: I'm interested to know who's been working with feedback, and if anyone has any patches they've developed, or that others have developed that they think is exemplary. Feedback is everywhere and is everything. The universe is made of feedback loops.

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-11 Thread padovani
Mathieu Bouchard escreveu: Feedback is everywhere and is everything. The universe is made of feedback loops. Those feedback loops are made of smaller feedback loops and are constituents of bigger feedback loops. hmmm... ;) -- http://zepadovani.info

Re: [PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-10 Thread mescali...@gmail.com
Jerome Covington wrote: I'm interested to know who's been working with feedback, and if anyone has any patches they've developed, or that others have developed that they think is exemplary. #N canvas 70 40 513 492 10; #X obj 315 92 samplerate~; #X obj 315 113 /; #X obj 315 72 t b f; #X

[PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-09 Thread Andres Ferrari
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[PD] Feedback discussion

2009-09-08 Thread Jerome Covington
I'm interested to know who's been working with feedback, and if anyone has any patches they've developed, or that others have developed that they think is exemplary. -- Regards, Jerome Covington . . . . : . . . . : define audio development