Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
> Dear friends... in the last weeks i stay trying install percolate
> library... i can put the externals and run Pd, but when i like startup
> path or open the prefernces the PD dont respond... the preferences panel
> no open...midi... audio...
>
no idea, but i guess
Dear friends... in the last weeks i stay trying install percolate library...
i can put the externals and run Pd, but when i like startup path or open the
prefernces the PD dont respond... the preferences panel no open...midi...
audio...
Well
Cheers from Chile
José
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http://www.chilemigra.
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure that this is
acutally a problem.. looks like an open style license.. not for resale,
non-commerical educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
license.
GPL forbids any clauses about non-commerci
On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: <358216.94182...@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.c
On Sep 28, 2009, at 4:00 AM, dmotd wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure that this is
acutally a problem.. looks like an open style license.. not for
resale,
non-commerical educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
l
Hi Folk, is an excellent new, well this afternoon i will try to compile in
my barbie netbook... ubuntu... i post the mission.
Thanks for each one reply this post
Best regards from Chile
José
2009/9/28 dmotd
> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> > dmotd wrote:
> >> i'm just looking at the license n
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> dmotd wrote:
>> i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure that this is
>> acutally a problem.. looks like an open style license.. not for resale,
>> non-commerical educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
>> license.
>
> which sounds incompa
dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure
that this is acutally a problem.. looks like an open
style license.. not for resale, non-commerical
educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
license.
which sounds incompatible with GPL (which is what PdX is distr
ng the Percolate
> > > developers a note to ask them to update their links?
> >
> > ha... no
> >
> > :)
> >
> > m
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat,
;
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
>
>
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: mark edward grimm
>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
> To: pd-li
heir links?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
velopers a note
>> to ask them to update their links?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
>>
>> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: mark edward grimm
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Perc
BTW Mark, have you thought about dropping the Percolate developers a
note to ask them to update their links?
On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd-list@iem.at
gt;> > I stand corrected :)
>> >
>> > Mark, thanks! This is great!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Now, if someone could also point me to a Windoze version of
>> > Percolate for Pd, I'd be totally happy :)
>> >
>> >
lso point me to a Windoze version of
> > Percolate for Pd, I'd be totally happy :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Rene
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW Mark, have you thought about dropping the Percolate
> > developers a note to ask them to update th
the Percolate
> developers a note to ask them to update their links?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
>
> From: mark ed
ene
>
> BTW Mark, have you thought about dropping the Percolate developers a note
> to ask them to update their links?
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
>
> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: mark edward grimm
>
2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd-list@iem.at
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So it seems that right n
OSX-Intel-10.5/PeRColate-OSX-Intel-10.5.zip
i have the sources + xcode project somewhere I think... i would have to look
around...
mark
--- On Sat, 9/26/09, rene beekman wrote:
> From: rene beekman
> Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Saturday, Septem
opers.
Unfortunately, no one has stepped up to the plate to create a new port.
So it seems that right now you have two options; find a way to do your
project without the Percolate objects, or move to Max/MSP ...
Hope this helps.
Rene
From: Jose Luis Santorcuato
Subject: [PD] Percolate
T
Dear friends, well i am working with music and arduino and i need the old
library percolate... with objects like a bamboo~, marimba~ etc...
Can yours help me...
Thanks a lot
José
--
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http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com
http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato
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Hi Mitchell, list,
I also compiled percolate on my Mac today, and it was a lovely
experience. One thing I did differently, that some people may find
useful: Rather than removing the windows section from the makefile, I
specified Mac like this:
$ make pd_darwin
btw, I looked at your website
That's an excellent idea. Thanks, I'll do it.
Mitch
On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
One note on this, it would be much better to put the files into ~/
Library/Pd or /Library/Pd than into the Pd-extended.app. That way
percolate will still be there after you upgra
One note on this, it would be much better to put the files into ~/
Library/Pd or /Library/Pd than into the Pd-extended.app. That way
percolate will still be there after you upgrade.
.hc
On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Mitchell Turner wrote:
John,
I was able to get Percolate working on a MacB
John,
I was able to get Percolate working on a MacBookPro running OS 10.5.5
and Pd-Extended 0.40.3. The way I was able to do this involved
compiling from source. The required a few steps outlined below.
I'm not absolutely sure my changes are the best way to do things. But
it worked so I
you searched the pd forum, and you didn't find 'percolate' ?? i can't
believe that.
you will have to login to be able to download the .zip files. they are
about 4 posts down this thread:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-619-port-percolate
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Well, of course, I did search before I asked. I still could not find
it. That's when I turned to this list.
Thanks for your time,
Mitch
On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:55 PM, hard off wrote:
> search the pd forum, someone posted a .zip of it a while back i think.
>
>
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Dear all,
Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseam, but I've googled
everything I can think of and have not been able to find Percolate for
Pd.
Does anyone know if there is a working version of the Percolate
objects for Pd? I'm using Pd-Extended (0.40.3) on OSX (10.5.5).
Thanks in advan
frank, as so often I have to say thanks for the clarification. i have to
commit that my answer was more than vague...
marius.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote:
>
>> I think the project is now maintained by guenter geiger and goes under
>>
Hallo,
marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote:
> I think the project is now maintained by guenter geiger and goes under
> the name stk.
STK is a library written by Perry Cook, Gary P. Scavone and probably
others at CCRMA: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk/
It includes some
Any progress on this so far or a response from the authors about
modifying licensing? Just checking - I have enjoyed reading about
copyrights but I was just wondering the status of this. Maybe it's
too soon to ask though.
Thanks,
Kevin
On 3/6/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
Hans-Christoph Steiner schreef:
>
> To be pedantic, the French droit d'auteur is very similar to
> urheberrecht, so there are other countries with different systems. I
> think we are basically on the same page. For the average person there
> is basically no noticeable difference between the
On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote:
>>> Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a
>>> court of law. At least in the United
To be pedantic, the French droit d'auteur is very similar to
urheberrecht, so there are other countries with different systems. I
think we are basically on the same page. For the average person
there is basically no noticeable difference between these systems,
it's really just a question
yes, okay, urheberrecht seems to be a particular case, only applicable
in germany. but on the whole most national copyright laws are very
alike, since most countries have signed the convention of berne, and
have the concept of moral rights, ie rights which never can be
transferred. what you cit
On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:04 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> will be major differences between the anglo-american and the
>>> european
>>> way. (and other ways too, but about these i know even less)
>>
>> I think that they are not as big as you'd guess because ther
I don't think "copyright" is the same as urheberrecht. I would rather
compare it to authorship. the copyright goes always to the "owner". for
example, when you work for a big Pd company and your boss says, write a
pd patch for that exhibition, than you would be the author, but since
that would
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote:
> > Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a
> > court of law. At least in the United States, such matters are in
> > something of a legal limbo, u
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 19:52 +0100, mik wrote:
> copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's
> no difference.
there is a difference in concept, it is not just a translation. read
more on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright .
roman
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote:
> On 3/8/07, Thomas Grill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
>
>>> although i don't really like this clause, the following
>>> description is
>>> quite clear:
>>> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
IOhannes m zmoelnig schreef:
>
> not quite true.
> (i'd say it is an anglo-centristic viewpoint ;-))
> after all, in anglo-american space we have to deal with "copyright"
> whereas in continental europe we still have the "urheberrecht" which is
> something really different.
>
copyright is the
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> will be major differences between the anglo-american and the european
>> way. (and other ways too, but about these i know even less)
>
> I think that they are not as big as you'd guess because there are
> international treaties that are all about making these law
Hallo,
Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
> Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
>
> >although i don't really like this clause, the following description is
> >quite clear:
> >http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF
>
> I knew about this one, but i don't thi
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Thomas Grill wrote:
>
> Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
>
>> On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating
the
GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the
On 3/8/07, Thomas Grill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
> > although i don't really like this clause, the following description is
> > quite clear:
> > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF
>
> I knew about this one, but i don't think
On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:14 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Chris McCormick wrote:
>>
>> What does it mean if they violate the GPL and do so anyway? What
>> does it
>> mean for people who use the software?
>
> the problem is, that asking this questions is not as simple (i think,
> being no lawyer
Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
> On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
>>> Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating the
>>> GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
>>> violated when using the Flext based externals wi
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
> > Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating the
> > GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
> > violated when using the Flext based externals with Pd, then it makes
> > sense in my head to
> Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating the
> GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
> violated when using the Flext based externals with Pd, then it makes
> sense in my head to distinguish between binary and source wrt
> violation again
On 07/03/2007, at 15.42, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>
>>> That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
>>> license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
>>> incompatible with the GPL, which flext
I wanted to say it is sad, that law does never cover all possibilities,
and sometimes even protects illegal behavior.
marius.
Thomas Grill wrote:
> I think this is what is called "selective perception". Nobody said that
> it's generally illegal, like nothing is.
> all the best, Thomas
>
> mariu
I think this is what is called "selective perception". Nobody said that
it's generally illegal, like nothing is.
all the best, Thomas
marius schebella schrieb:
> sad, but you're absolutely right.
> marius.
>
> Yves Degoyon wrote:
>
>> ola,
>>
>>
>>> It would be good to find out what the l
sad, but you're absolutely right.
marius.
Yves Degoyon wrote:
> ola,
>
>> It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
>> that is illegally licensed. We've had this issue before with the
>> not-for-military-use clause that Yves added to his software, rendering
>> it technically ille
ola,
>It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
>that is illegally licensed. We've had this issue before with the
>not-for-military-use clause that Yves added to his software, rendering
>it technically illegal. A lawyer could tell us if it's a) in legal limbo
>land where nobody is
Chris McCormick wrote:
>
> What does it mean if they violate the GPL and do so anyway? What does it
> mean for people who use the software?
the problem is, that asking this questions is not as simple (i think,
being no lawyer myself).
it is rather:
what does it mean to ... in the US? what does i
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:36:11PM -0500, marius schebella wrote:
> Chris McCormick wrote:
> >It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
> >that is illegally licensed.
>
> the default is that software is copyright protected. and the owner has
> the exclusive right to reproduce, s
Chris McCormick wrote:
> It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
> that is illegally licensed.
the default is that software is copyright protected. and the owner has
the exclusive right to reproduce, sell, license it.
there are some exceptions to this rule, but I think not in
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:42:33PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
>
> > > That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
> > > license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
> > > incompatible with
Hallo,
David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote:
> Although I'm naive on all this stuff, maybe this question will help
> the plot to thicken:
> If STK is incompatible with GPL, how is it that ChucK, which is GPL
> software, is able to include ports of all Perry Cook's STK stuff???
> And if i
Question:
Although I'm naive on all this stuff, maybe this question will help
the plot to thicken:
If STK is incompatible with GPL, how is it that ChucK, which is GPL
software, is able to include ports of all Perry Cook's STK stuff???
And if it works for them, I don't see why it can't be done for
Isn't it convenient that having a severely convoluted and complicated
system of law ensures the existence of the profession for those whom
practice it?
~Kyle
On 3/7/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it, source or binary doesn't
> > matter: A
> I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it, source or binary doesn't
> matter: As long as you distribute a flext-external, source or binary,
> you have to distribute it as GPL. This is impossible without violating
> either the Percolate license or the GPL, because both are
> incompatible: the Perco
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> > That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
> > license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
> > incompatible with the GPL, which flext uses. By distributing a version
> > of Percolate extern
> That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
> license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
> incompatible with the GPL, which flext uses. By distributing a version
> of Percolate externals using their current license built with
> GPL-flext you would be viol
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> Well I am "educational only" currently so no problem there.
That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
incompatible with the GPL, which flext use
Oh, please try! Having percolate's non-STK objects available would be
so lovely. I'm sure it's not in their intention to keep percolate from
being used in open source projects just because of a hairy license
issue, but they are the only ones who could do something about it.
BTW, the latest vers
> I know Dan very well, he's a really cool guy. Luke less so, however. FWIW,
I just realized how awkward this sounded. Sorry all, especially my sincere
apologies to Luke if he is reading this. My proofreading
has gone down the drain since I began averaging 30+ e-mails a
day...
What I meant to say
>I didn't check, but isn't munger~ licensed with the "no commercial,
>educational only" clause? If yes, then you might run into legal
>trouble because flext is GPL and the two licenses would be way
>incompatible.
Hi Frank,
Well I am "educational only" currently so no problem there. Apart from tha
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> I know Dan very well, he's a really cool guy. Luke less so, however. FWIW, I
> can ask him to see if he would not mind altering license a bit to allow its
> inclusion in the pd cvs.
Oh, please try! Having percolate's non-STK objects
This is encouraging, as munger~ is really the object I want to use the
most. My opinion is keep going even if we don't figure out the
licensing right away. I'm just starting to realize what a conundrum
licensing could be.
Has anyone considered contacting the original authors and requesting
GPL l
sday, March 06, 2007 5:51 PM
> To: Ivica Ico Bukvic; PD-list@iem.at; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
>
> This is encouraging, as munger~ is really the object I want to use the
> most. My opinion is keep going even if we don't figure out the
> licensing righ
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> Given the recent discussion, here's some ahead notice (FWIW). I am currently
> working with my GTA on completing the port of the munger~ object which is a
> part of the Percolate lib but is also broken in the old Pd port. The port is
Hi all,
Given the recent discussion, here's some ahead notice (FWIW). I am currently
working with my GTA on completing the port of the munger~ object which is a
part of the Percolate lib but is also broken in the old Pd port. The port is
flext-based which will allow the original author to continue
Hallo,
Stephen Sinclair hat gesagt: // Stephen Sinclair wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies on this topic.
> I'll try compiling the old verison, or I might just do some hacking
> myself, at least on the STK objects I need.
STK also is available through some ggee externals in
CVSROOT/externals/gge
Hallo!
> Just to clear the smoke a bit more that is created by the word
> "commercial": Everything that is included in a Linux distribution,
> which can be bought for money - like Redhat or Novell/Suse and even
> Debian -, then becomes commercial software: the Linux kernel, MySQL,
> Apache, Audaci
Thanks for all the replies on this topic.
I'll try compiling the old verison, or I might just do some hacking
myself, at least on the STK objects I need.
Cheers,
Steve
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Hallo,
Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote:
> > "Objection!" (Phoenix Wright)
> >
> > This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any
> > commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.
>
> Okay - but what is then e.g. Qt: it is open source (GPL) but when you
> us
Frank Barknecht wrote:
>> So if there are no objections I will add it the CVS ...
>
> "Objection!" (Phoenix Wright)
>
> This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any
> commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.
i am not sure whether sourceforge forbids to put a code that
Hallo!
> "Objection!" (Phoenix Wright)
>
> This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any
> commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.
Okay - but what is then e.g. Qt: it is open source (GPL) but when you
use it in commercial products you need a commercial licence ...
LG
Hallo,
Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote:
> Okay, I have the source now ...
>
> But I can't see license problems (but I am not really familiar with such
> topics).
> The README says:
>
> -8<--8<---
> License Agreement
>
> The Software is provided by Dan Tru
Hallo!
> I think (if my memory's not confused) that's actually the crux of it,
> something about the licensing doesn't permit it to be in CVS?
>
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032777.html
Okay, I have the source now ...
But I can't see license problems (but I am not real
> But maybe someone still has the code on his computer ? Then we could put
> it into cvs ...
I think (if my memory's not confused) that's actually the crux of it,
something about the licensing doesn't permit it to be in CVS?
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032777.html
Someon
Hallo!
> I exchanged emails with Olaf Matthes and he said that he is no longer
> doing Pd-related projects, but that someone could take the Max source
> and port it to Pd again.
Yes, I also talked with Olaf last year and he said, that he doesn't
program for pd anymore and removed all his webside
It seems that you can download RPMs of percolate at
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/pdworld.html#SECTION00063700
spencer
On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
> It seems it hasn'
I exchanged emails with Olaf Matthes and he said that he is no longer
doing Pd-related projects, but that someone could take the Max source
and port it to Pd again.
Some of those objects (munger~ in particular) are really great.
Kevin
On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does
Thanks!
I don't use Fedora, but I suppose I could use the source package from there.
Maybe there is a debianized version out there, I'll take a look.
Steve
On 3/5/07, Spencer Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems that you can download RPMs of percolate at
> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/plan
Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
It seems it hasn't been kept alive..
(At least the web site,
http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/percolate/, seems to be
down.)
Thanks,
Steve
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