Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-15 19:12, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> >> and you tried to access (say) the "Frequency Ratio". >> you tried (without success) to use things like "frequencyratio" and >> "frequency_ratio". >> >> this does not work. it's not meant to work, so it doesn't surprise me very much... >> >> >> it mi

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-15 Thread Kim Cascone
it does work globally for all LADSPA plugins hosted by [plugin~]. i have to say that you were using it wrongly (though i cannot find the email were you explained exactly what you were doing: all threads are totally messed up; the subject became meaningless;...) I was following your instructi

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-15 Thread Kim Cascone
On 2010-06-14 22:27, Kim Cascone wrote: > > === > first level of confusion > === > > occurs when a user is looking for the 'lpf' messages on the command line > using > > analyseplugin lpf > > they won't find it unless they read the console carefully and see the

[PD] plugin~ external (was: Re: list etiquette WAS: plugin~ external)

2010-06-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-14 21:22, Kim Cascone wrote: > > it should NOT take anyone (even a Pd n00b) the better part of a week to > figure out > and > b) that using [ being the name of the port] in [plugin~] > doesn't work globally for all LADSPA plugs hosted by [plugin~] and that > does - at least in the ones

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-14 22:27, Kim Cascone wrote: > > === > first level of confusion > === > > occurs when a user is looking for the 'lpf' messages on the command line > using > > analyseplugin lpf > > they won't find it unless they read the console carefully and see the > LADSPA

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
e one less character to type. -Jonathan From: Mathieu Bouchard To: Roman Haefeli Cc: pd-list ; Kim Cascone ; IOhannes m zmoelnig Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 1:41:25 PM Subject: Re: [PD] plugin~ external On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Fri, 201

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
hc wrote: Hey Kim, Switching back to that topic ;) From my point of view Pd-extended is a giant thing. There are many things that could be done to improve it. Since you put a lot of effort into testing the plugin~ stuff, then its worth it to me to put effort into making sure the whole thing

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
hc wrote: Hey Kim, Switching back to that topic ;) From my point of view Pd-extended is a giant thing. There are many things that could be done to improve it. Since you put a lot of effort into testing the plugin~ stuff, then its worth it to me to put effort into making sure the whole

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: wouldn't this be more (in your words) 'imperative' behavior? afaik, the word "imperative" is almost only ever used to mean that the programme revolves around modifying data using a series of steps for which the order is very important. it's opposed t

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: Dan Wilcox wrote: and I want to make sure the text is a) true and b) easily understood by a n00b This is where I think things should always go ... to the wiki or the Floss manual! If a solution is found, pleasepleaseplease post it to a s

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 11:34 -0700, Kim Cascone wrote: I fully agree with you. I find replacing built-in vanilla object classes a rather bad habit and quite confusing. I don't see a valid reason for doing that. I don't see a valid reason for passing A

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
Ok so here are some more 'issues' I'm using the 'lpf' LADSPA plugin to use as a simple example for the FOSS manual it has one control which is the cutoff frequency I instantiate the [plugin~ lpf] in a patch the console window reports: verbose( 1):plugin~: found plugin "lpf" in library "/usr/

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: I would have done it like this if [print] was able to handle extra atom types. ok but the problem still exists with passing parentheses which is blocking some data from be sent to the console...or has this

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread mik
Op 14-06-10 19:58, Kim Cascone schreef: does anyone know if the use of [control #n $1] is global? i.e. works across all LADSPA plugs hosted by [plugin~] before I cause more RSI by testing a bunch of them? ;) As far as I know, it is global. It has always worked for me. m ___

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
tim vets wrote: Hi Kim, try: [0\ | [control #n $1( | [plugin~ svf] where n is the number of the parameter (so #1 or #2 or #3 ..etc) works like a charm! thanks again! - for the svf plug at least does anyone know if the use of [control #n $1] is global? i.e. works across all LADSPA plugs

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
tim vets wrote: Hi Kim, try: [0\ | [control #n $1( | [plugin~ svf] where n is the number of the parameter (so #1 or #2 or #3 ..etc) gr, Tim thanks Tim I seem to remember either the DSSI~ or LADSPA~ object using this syntax I'll see if this also works with the plugin~ external thank

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread João Pais
Ardour is a good example of a professional tool, because it supports professional audio hardware, ah ah ah. Pd supports professional audio hardware, I've been working for years with my hammerfall card. I've tried already some times to work with ardour, and it always failed me (except thi

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
just curious but is it normal netiquette on the Pd list to hi-jack other people's threads? also, I find it odd that many people on the list were more interested in adding to the debate defining the term 'professional' (in posts titled -> Subject: Re: plugin~ external) rather than adding to the

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread tim vets
2010/6/14 Kim Cascone > > I'm trying to figure out the correct way to send control data to the svf > plug > > following how [plugin~] is supposed to work: > > the message is: >> "port >> " >> >> with being either "in" or "out" >> with being "control" or "audio" >> with being the name o

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Kim Cascone
I'm trying to figure out the correct way to send control data to the svf plug following how [plugin~] is supposed to work: the message is: "port " with being either "in" or "out" with being "control" or "audio" with being the name of the port (e.g. "Amplitude random (%)") and l

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread patko
- "patko" a écrit : > - "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > > > classify it, and the "live version" of it that I found sounds like a > > totally different song in a different style. > > > > > It would have been more appropriated to speak about Throbbing > Gristles instead like sevy > su

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread patko
- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, patko wrote: > > - "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > >>> or Psychic TV, > >> I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have > from > >> them is acid house and satanic funk. > > You should listen to older albums, like "Go

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, patko wrote: - "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : or Psychic TV, I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from them is acid house and satanic funk. You should listen to older albums, like "Gondole". most probably... the oldest album I have is a "Live

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread patko
- "João Pais" a écrit : > music. My job is to be a musician, it's what I studied all my life. I > know > that in some countries that doesn't count as a job, but on some others > it > does. > (what I do sometimes to pay the rent isn't my desired job, but a > compromise so that I can hav

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, patko wrote: it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound engineer, ... what's a job then ? what makes something count as a job and why ? I do gain more money actually

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010, patko wrote: The problem is really actual, because it's related with this post-industrial period, where almost anything could falsified, or duplicated, where the main concept is about brain eating with a perpetual flow of those (duplicated&falsified) informations through

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: I would have done it like this if [print] was able to handle extra atom types. ok but the problem still exists with passing parentheses which is blocking some data from be sent to the console...or has this been fixed? just curious

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread Bryan Jurish
morning all, On 2010-06-14 11:36:44, IOhannes m zmoelnig appears to have written: > On 2010-06-13 15:15, patko wrote: >> " man, the fender stratocaster is a professional guitar" > > so what would be the guitar brand/model where someone would say: > " man, this is a professional guitar"? The nam

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-13 15:15, patko wrote: > > " man, the fender stratocaster is a professional guitar" > so what would be the guitar brand/model where someone would say: " man, this is a professional guitar"? mgasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature __

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread Pedro Lopes
F.Z.? Could it be Zappa? He joked with almost everything :D On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > -- > *From:* patko > *To:* Jonathan Wilkes > > *Cc:* pd-list > *Sent:* Sun, June 13, 2010 10:33:59 AM > > *Subje

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: patko To: Jonathan Wilkes Cc: pd-list Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 10:33:59 AM Subject: Re: [PD] plugin~ external >- "Jonathan Wilkes" a écrit : > > >> There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread João Pais
it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound engineer, ... I'm sorry, but I'm a musician, I study music since I was 11 (a late age to start), and I have several diplomas (not that they're

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from them is acid house and satanic funk. sorry, i should have answered at all ( why wasting time ? ), i should have said : http://www.dontevenreply.com/ i personally like t.a.t.u. very much... ciao, sevy ___

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread Kim Cascone
and a foto of the developers wearing suits? now a .png of that might make a cool easter egg in Pd! ;) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread patko
- "Jonathan Wilkes" a écrit : > There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages, > regardless of past Mozart scholars who > have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of > Mozart. It may have been ignored for a > bit, but the cult of genius generally

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread patko
it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound engineer, ... I'm using a Fender Stratocaster and making money as well, it's a good guitar, but no one use to say: " man, the fender stratocaster i

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread João Pais
I've performed and gave workshops using Pd, for which I was paid. I also use pd to make patches to generate materials for my pieces (which, rarely, are paid as well). Is that professional enough to join the professional club? Or does it turn professional only if we pay someone to design a c

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread ailo
>> How deader was art back when Michel-Ange was having a contract with >> the >> Church and the Church was a major political power ? What with those >> long >> spans of art history in which if art wasn't about the bible it was >> about >> the royal family. You can't get much more politically-con

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: patko To: Mathieu Bouchard Cc: pd-list Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 7:59:29 PM Subject: Re: [PD] plugin~ external - "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : >> > or Psychic TV, >> >> I didn't know they made industrial musi

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
ola, or Psychic TV, I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from them is acid house and satanic funk. for the big ignorant you've always been, who was in TG ?? ( without no cheap wikipedia answer ) ? oh yeh what's TG? bahh sticky geek sevy

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
ola, Jesus could feed 5000 people with a multiplication. yeh you could have understood that crass motto was about the joke, that he never fed 5000 people, maybe ACSUR can for real, no fucking joke or Psychic TV, I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from them is acid

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Kim Cascone
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: because I've been (unknowlingly) using the GridFlow [print] and I'm missing this info BTW, I just fixed the problem with [print 42]. I misunderstood the problem and first thought that it was something with sending 42 to a [prin

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread patko
- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > > or Psychic TV, > > I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from > them > is acid house and satanic funk. > You should listen to older albums, like "Gondole". > > but industrialized music, that follows rules only driven by profit.

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
People pay me to make projects, its my main profession, and I use Pd. But I guess that's not enough to make something "professional". ;) .hc On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:47 +0200, "patko" wrote: > > hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone > overwrite my objects, > at l

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: coming from Max-landia it would most likely be done as follows: [print] = standard object ships with both Pd-vanilla and extended [gf_print] = print object shipped with the GridFlow libraries and _only_ called when [gf_print] is instantiated in a patch

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Kim Cascone
It's already called [gf.print] (to be renamed to [gf/print] later...) but [print] is an alias because the intent is to use it instead of the regular [print]. well, this is true but equally true is the fact that when I type [print] into an object box I instantiate the [gf.print] object INSTEA

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote: What if I get a big enough tax deduction, from the Buzzword Development Programme of Industry Canada, or the Ministère des cadeaux aux amis du parti libéral du Québec, or Projet immobilier de la Cité des Interwebs de Montréal, and suppose that in whichever com

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: because I've been (unknowlingly) using the GridFlow [print] and I'm missing this info BTW, I just fixed the problem with [print 42]. I misunderstood the problem and first thought that it was something with sending 42 to a [print] object under certain c

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread patko
- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > >> What is a professional context, if not about money ? > > Professionals uses to pay taxes. > > Can you rewrite that so that I can be sure of what you're trying to > say ? > I'm gonna try to explain further... > >> who says a professional tool is suppose

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 06/11/2010 05:13 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: "close-paren without open-paren" is a GridFlow error message. The code for parsing nested-lists interferes with the [print] emulation that replaces the original [print]. The latest GridFlow renames the

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote: I might be mistaken about purposes of a software like puredata, it seem to drive the user into the deepness of codes that makes a DSP software, and it's great. Anyone that want to go deeper ends up by installing a build system for getting the last version, (be

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread patko
- "IOhannes m zmölnig" a écrit : > On 06/12/2010 04:38 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: > > > btw, i will write an osc~ object > > which will be able to transport > > Open Sound Control data in audio blocks... i need it, ok? > > actually, we have an implementation for this, though it's not ca

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread patko
- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote: > > "Too much elaborated" would mean that it follow a kind of elitistic > way > > of doing things, like keeping a code undocumented, but in fact I was > > > more thinking about the build system when I wrote this sentence.

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2010 04:38 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: > btw, i will write an osc~ object > which will be able to transport > Open Sound Control data in audio blocks... i need it, ok? actually, we have an implementation for this, though it's not called os

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote: First thing, the other day you were complaining that someone posted a quote from you without all informations, my sentence has been cropped after the comma, I was also saying that changing anything in someone else's object would at least need a discussion abou

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread patko
- "Mathieu Bouchard" a écrit : > On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote: > > > hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone > > > overwrite my objects, > > Why don't you call it like it is. GridFlow overwrites a name entry in > a > table. no class is really overwritten

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
ydego...@gmail.com wrote: patko wrote: hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, sorry if i don't like the current situation.. it's for all the hours lost in a workshop to find the right 'counter' object for example ... it's not especially

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
patko wrote: hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, sorry if i don't like the current situation.. it's for all the hours lost in a workshop to find the right 'counter' object for example ... it's not especially against someone, it's just

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread patko
- "cyrille henry" a écrit : > Le 12/06/2010 06:13, patko a écrit : > > - ydego...@gmail.com a écrit : > > > >> true, > >> only someone wanting to take over > >> should override some basic pd objects no? > >> > > > > Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. > ?? > which o

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, patko wrote: hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, Why don't you call it like it is. GridFlow overwrites a name entry in a table. no class is really overwritten and no object is either. I didn't delete anyone's code. I

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-12 Thread cyrille henry
Le 12/06/2010 06:13, patko a écrit : Patrice Colet - 06 32 66 03 57 - ydego...@gmail.com a écrit : true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no? Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. ?? which one? We often experience this.

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
i frankly bever understood these names clashing conflicts, leading us to weird situations, when you don't even know what you're reallly using and who to complain to... wouldn't speaking before wouldn't be a better solution? well ... sevy patko wrote: hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread patko
hmmm, in fact you are completely right, I wouldn't like that someone overwrite my objects, at least without a discussion about it. I don't know how this happen in "pd-community", i'm not really a "coder", but just a "user" that have sometimes to put the fingers in the code when there is somethi

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
ydego...@gmail.com wrote: patko wrote: Patrice Colet - 06 32 66 03 57 - ydego...@gmail.com a écrit : true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no? Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. We often experience this. and so wha

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
patko wrote: Patrice Colet - 06 32 66 03 57 - ydego...@gmail.com a écrit : true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no? Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. We often experience this. and so what? because your objects

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread patko
Patrice Colet - 06 32 66 03 57 - ydego...@gmail.com a écrit : > true, > only someone wanting to take over > should override some basic pd objects no? > Because some pd basic objects doesn't work very good. We often experience this. ___ Pd-li

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
true, only someone wanting to take over should override some basic pd objects no? that's not bad spirit really, that's the shit where we are, everybody wanting to be the kalif hey ? you can understand why there's no pd community salaaam, sevy Kim Cascone wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: most

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Martin Peach
Kim Cascone wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 06/11/2010 08:50 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: [print] = standard object ships with both Pd-vanilla and extended [gf_print] = print object shipped with the GridFlow libraries and _only_ called when [gf_print] is instantiated in a patch why would

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
I am now clear on which [print] object belongs to GridFlow I tried to get the .help file for the [print] and got the following: tried /usr/lib/pd/extra/gf.print.pd and failed sorry, couldn't find help patch for "gf.print.pd" so it seems that [print] is actually 'gf.print.pd' while [pd/print]

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: most users should never notice (unless in a pleasant way). if you instantiate a [print] object and don't know whether you are loading a buggy GridFlow [print] object or a working Pd [print] object then how is this logical, clear or concise? doesn't it make more sense t

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 08:50 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: [print] = standard object ships with both Pd-vanilla and extended [gf_print] = print object shipped with the GridFlow libraries and _only_ called when [gf_print] is instantiated

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 08:50 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > [print] = standard object ships with both Pd-vanilla and extended > [gf_print] = print object shipped with the GridFlow libraries and _only_ > called when > [gf_print] is instantiated in a patch why would i

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 11:34 -0700, Kim Cascone wrote: this is really confusing for people using [print] not knowing they are using the GridFlow external instead of the standard Pd version I fully agree with you. I find replacing built-in vanilla object classes a

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 11:34 -0700, Kim Cascone wrote: > this is really confusing for people using [print] > not knowing they are using the GridFlow external instead of the standard > Pd version I fully agree with you. I find replacing built-in vanilla object classes a rather bad habit and quite

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 10:36 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >>> >>> plugin~: "Delayorama" >>> print: port in control Random seed 0 1000 >>> >> >> looks good, doesn't it? >> > er, sure if it matched the console report (when plugin~ is sent [

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: I'm assuming here that not all LADSPA plugs send info with parentheses? so this would be a problem only for those plugs that send data with parentheses ?? yes, only if they use GridFlow's [print]. so there is a pd [print] and a

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 05:13 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > "close-paren without open-paren" is a GridFlow error message. The code > for parsing nested-lists interferes with the [print] emulation that > replaces the original [print]. The latest GridFlow renam

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 05:26 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > ok, I'd like more info about this one, because I've never seen it and it > sounds terrible. which versions of pd-extended and of gridflow ? older Pd versions would not allow numeric arguments to [pr

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: I'm assuming here that not all LADSPA plugs send info with parentheses? so this would be a problem only for those plugs that send data with parentheses ?? yes, only if they use GridFlow's [print]. also, I also noticed that I can't use a number in the [

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 06/11/2010 09:22 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: error: [print]: close-paren without open-paren oops; seems there is a problem with displaying symbols with parenthesis. i don't seem to have this problem here (though i don't have the delayorama plugin; an

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 10:36 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >>> >>> plugin~: "Delayorama" >>> print: port in control Random seed 0 1000 >>> >> >> looks good, doesn't it? >> > er, sure if it matched the console report (when plugin~ is sent [info]) > it would loo

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 09:22 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: actually, it seems that the .pdsettings are loaded on start up -- no? so wouldn't that make them a sort of script too - in a sense? yes, it's a script in a "declarative l

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 09:22 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > actually, it seems that the .pdsettings are loaded on start up -- no? > so wouldn't that make them a sort of script too - in a sense? yes, it's a script in a "declarative language", with a very minimalistic

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread Kim Cascone
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 01:49 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: i thought this is what you were asking for with "is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs?" yes, but I'm trying to understand your statement: 'the

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 08:30 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > >> a shell script would only work on a per session basis as well - no? > > > all settings are "per session"; > whenever you run the shell-script with the same-flags, you will have the > same behavi

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-11 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 01:49 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> i thought this is what you were asking for with "is there a way on the >> command line to load only certain libs?" >> > yes, but I'm trying to understand your statement: 'the panel merely > being a wrapp

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 08:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: is there a way on the command line to load on

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
I did some testing with the libs to see which one was making PdX crash when sending [info] and [listplugins] to the [plugin~] external I moved all libs out of 'usr/lib/pd/extras/' directory and moved them back in one at a time while launching PdX in between each addition I found the Gem lib was

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 08:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> >>> is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs? >>> this

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 08:51 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> >> The one that causes plugin~ to crash is likely 'flatspace' since it >> includes the old, buggy version of plugin~. well, true and false. "flatspace" is likely to pull in the wrong version of plugin~.

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2010 12:07 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> > can't seem to comment lines out of the pdextended file using '#' at the > beginning of a line > is there a different way to do this? backup your .pdsettings file then edit the .pdsettings: remove the off

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you put the plugin~.pd_linux into your project folder, it will be loaded first. by 'project folder' do you mean the '~/pd-externals' directory? No, say you have a Pd project, all the patches are in a folder called /home/hans/Documents/myproject, then you'd

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs? this way I don't have to delete them and retype them in on the 'libraries to load on startup' panel or is the simpl

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You could also create your own .pdextended file to make it not load any libraries by default. That's the direction we are going with Pd-extended anyway. Check out /usr/lib/pdextended/default.pdextended to see the one that's loaded by default. ah ha! good tip!

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs? this way I don't have to delete the

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs? this way I don't have to delete them and retype them in on the 'li

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: is there a way on the command line to load onl

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:02 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs? this way I don't have to delete them and retype them in on the 'libraries to load on s

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread Kim Cascone
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You could also create your own .pdextended file to make it not load any libraries by default. That's the direction we are going with Pd-extended anyway. Check out /usr/lib/pdextended/default.pdextended to see the one that's loaded by default. can't seem to co

Re: [PD] plugin~ external

2010-06-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2010 06:59 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > is there a way on the command line to load only certain libs? > this way I don't have to delete them and retype them in on the > 'libraries to load on startup' panel > or is the simplest way to delete the

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