On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it can be confusing to use that term.
so i think that we should use
Cheers for that Frank.
Ok next question...
Jb
On 13 December 2010 20:07, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 05:53:25PM +, J bz wrote:
Most immediate is how do I save the structure I have created as a pd
patch?
I'm aware I can save the DS as a txt file but
hello Yves,
i feel a bit concerned because you mention pmpd.
I don't understand the problem about hans being pmpd maintainer.
i can't find anything saying that a maintainer should be the author of a lib.
the pmpd lib distributed with pd-extended clearly specify that's i'm the author
of this
Hi all,
I have created a 2d grid in msd and I have a question regarding the use of
force...
I'm going to have to mix my metaphors here I think:
Is it possible to send force so it acts almost like in layers so that, say,
I have my grid;
._._._.
|._._._.|
|._._._.|
|._._._.|
which is fixed.
I
Hello list, I'm working on a project with a snow leopard mac and pd
0.41.4, I have attached a card m audio mobile pre, but when the
setpoints to be the pd audio hardware this fall, before I had no these
problems is the first time, even in ubuntu could do it.
This happens several times, usually if
Original Message
Subject: Re: [PD] Plugin for 0.43 to have a gtk-looking open dialog
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
To: Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it
CC: Pd-list@iem.at
Date: 12/14/2010 12:41 AM
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 17:12 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 09:12 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydego...@free.fr ydego...@gmail.com
wrote:
yeh classical ...
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list
or someone making useless shit, etc
i'm the one offending the others...
when did this happen exactly? do you have a link?
the only
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance),
Inheritance is not an essential feature of OOP, if you consider how much
this feature varies a lot from one OOP language to another, moreso than
other features.
The more
On Dec 14, 2010, at 3:12 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it can be
On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Original Message
Subject: Re: [PD] Plugin for 0.43 to have a gtk-looking open dialog
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
To: Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it
CC: Pd-list@iem.at
Date: 12/14/2010 12:41 AM
On Mon,
For 10.6, I think you need the updated portaudio code that's in Pd-
extended 0.42.5.
.hc
On Dec 14, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Hello list, I'm working on a project with a snow leopard mac and pd
0.41.4, I have attached a card m audio mobile pre, but when the
setpoints
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
This rudimentary inheritance,
On 2010-12-14 15:31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I believe the objection you mention is that Pd-extended automatically
creates ~/pd-externals. ~/pd-externals is the standard user-install
path for Pd-vanilla and Pd-extended.
since i think that lorenzo relates to me raising the issues, i
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation
that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, João Pais wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydego...@free.fr ydego...@gmail.com
wrote:
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list
or someone making useless shit, etc
i'm the one offending the others...
when did this happen exactly? do you have a
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 15:31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I believe the objection you mention is that Pd-extended automatically
creates ~/pd-externals. ~/pd-externals is the standard user-install
path for Pd-vanilla and Pd-extended.
I would second the suggestion someone
ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation
that reaches that
If it were up to me, we'd keep all of Sevy's stuff in Pd-extended. The
licenses Sevy offers conflict with the licenses of much of the software it
borrows from (for example EffecTV) so they are invalid anyway. But I
understand that this may not sit ethically with others so my second
suggestion is,
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
You're right. I'm an object-o-phile. But do you find Related
Objects troubling-- should it be Related Classes?
well... yes
In a lot of situations you need both. For something like canvas_class
it doesn't make much sense to put all the details of
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
If it were up to me, we'd keep all of Sevy's stuff in Pd-extended. The
licenses Sevy offers conflict with the licenses of much of the software
it borrows from (for example EffecTV) so they are invalid anyway.
Invalid licenses are not to be
Le 14/12/2010 16:22, ydego...@gmail.com a écrit :
yeh but me i want my stuff out of this
i really don't care about your stuff.
but since you included me in this discussion, i have to say that i don't
understand your point.
you use to release your code under GPL.
the only point of the gpl is
On 14/12/10 09:35 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Either object class (or objectclass) or class can do, as long as
object is synonymous with instance, and there's a separate word
meaning class in one way or another.
Pd differs from C/python/lua etc. in that it's a graphical/visual
language so
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 16:08 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 15:31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I believe the objection you mention is that Pd-extended automatically
creates ~/pd-externals. ~/pd-externals is the standard user-install
path for
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Martin wrote:
Pd differs from C/python/lua etc. in that it's a graphical/visual
language so I tend to think of the object as the thing that gets drawn
on the screen by an instance of the class. So in Pd, object has a
meaning distinct from instance.
What difference(s)
I was able to compile pd-extended on my machine, and it behaves just the
same as the stable release in the repo.
The puredata package from the official repos does accept a -font-face
flag, but the -font-size does not seem to change (I tried from 10 to
1000 as args).
So I'll either compare the
Apologies for cross-posting.
It appears a few more bugs snuck into the stable release. At the same
time I felt like the rest of the iemgui objects could really benefit
from the resizing via gui, hence another release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Andrew Faraday wrote:
I've had a bit of a daydream about a further development in PD. Could an
expression be placed into the arguments of an object, or even a named
receive become part of expr
Written the way you wrote it, that would conflict with the means to access
a
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:53 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Karim Barkati wrote:
Nope Mathieu, I didn't know about these translation files. It's very
interesting and it could have saved me some questions on translation
issues ! But it's some consolation to me that usually manual adjustments
stay necessary to fit on one or two
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I mean no disrespect. When you released 'unauthorized' under the GPL,
you made a promise to your users that 'unauthorized' would remain free
software. That is the meaning of the GPL.
That's not the meaning of it.
The meaning of the GPL
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 13, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
- autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
He's talking about the opposite : is autoconf required in
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Jmax Phoenix does this. If I recall correctly it breaks the nested list
feature in Gridflow.
Well, it's a bit more complicated. Back then, GridFlow's nested lists were
written using braces {}, but they weren't GridFlow's nested lists, they
were
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: [PD] Objects vs Classes (was: libraries in Pd-extended 0.43)
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date:
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Date: Tuesday, December 14,
Hi all,
Is it normal that I get always 1 on the fourth output after the
[unpack f f f f] from the second outlet of [pix_mean_color] ? I tried
with an [alpha], but nothing changed.
Here's the test file.
Thanks,
---
Anas Ghrab
p.s. : OS X 10.5.8; Pd : 0.42.5-extended
mouvement.pd
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Is it normal that I get always 1 on the fourth output after the [unpack
f f f f] from the second outlet of [pix_mean_color] ? I tried with an
[alpha], but nothing changed.
Bonjour,
[alpha] in itself doesn't modify a pix, it only activates the use of
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:56 PM
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010,
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
You've used this argument before. I don't remember exactly what the
topic was-- maybe recursion-- and you made the point that pretty much
verbatim-- that Pd is very different from everything else. I don't
know, maybe you were talking about tactics
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting licenses,
or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version the other
license was added?
Well, I found the military clause in PiDiP in déc.2005, and I have no idea
for how long
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, João Pais wrote:
I had a small look at [#many]. Do you think it would be better to use
C-coded objects instead for this kind of complex gop abstractions?
Well, you see, Pd *has* to grow more means to solve problems using
abstractions, so, I'm making the bet that I can
Le mardi 14 décembre 2010 à 18:18 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Anas Ghrab wrote:
Is it normal that I get always 1 on the fourth output after the [unpack
f f f f] from the second outlet of [pix_mean_color] ? I tried with an
[alpha], but nothing changed.
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based
on 0.42.x branch)
To: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, December 15,
Hey ThereYou might want to have a look at Jamie Bullock's abstraction based
solution(which also went out on this list). Which was quite eloquent, if a
little limiting at first. It's a little way back from the dream of dropping
lines of OO code into pd but it's the kind of thing, when I find a
I know Max has an [if] object that looks pretty much like your [if pitch...
etc.] example below.
-Jonathan
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [PD] PD OOP?
To: ma...@artengine.ca, jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc:
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 04:08:30PM +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 15:31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I believe the objection you mention is that Pd-extended automatically
creates ~/pd-externals. ~/pd-externals is the standard user-install
path for
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:20:32AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 16:08 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 15:31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I believe the objection you mention is that Pd-extended automatically
creates
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:48:37PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote:
Hello PdPartyAnimals,
http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/
Hi,
Frank pointed out a bug where the copy that was up there would only work on
some subnets (192.168.1.*). If you downloaded it please get the latest version
which
benefit
from the resizing via gui, hence another release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects (some
require
different behavior than others (e.g. number2 resizes
horizontally based
on the number of characters, while vertical resize also
adjusts font
size
I think this is great. Is it going to become a normal part of
Pd-extended?
-Jonathan
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Plugin for 0.43 to have a gtk-looking open dialog
To: Lorenzo Sutton
from the resizing via gui, hence another release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects (some
require
different behavior than others (e.g. number2 resizes
horizontally based
on the number of characters, while vertical resize also
adjusts font
size as well
benefit
from the resizing via gui, hence another release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects (some
require
different behavior than others (e.g. number2 resizes
horizontally based
on the number of characters, while vertical resize also
adjusts
objects
could
really benefit
from the resizing via gui, hence another
release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all iemgui
objects (some
require
different behavior than others (e.g. number2
resizes
horizontally based
on the number of characters, while
Just curious
Overall, at which point is a project forked? When additions are made or
taken away? Or just when licence terms are changed? If the code is copied
and then released under a different name?
In this case it would be the licence change I believe
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Mathieu
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 21:50 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
For example-- right-click on the top left-hand corner of cnv in run mode
(since you can't select anything in run mode, this will ensure
it's not selected). Then choose Properties.
Now when I click Ok under these circumstances I get
release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all iemgui
objects (some
require
different behavior than others (e.g. number2
resizes
horizontally based
on the number of characters, while vertical
resize also
adjusts font
size as well as gui triangle
time I felt like the rest of the iemgui
objects
could
really benefit
from the resizing via gui, hence another
release.
20101214 Changelog:
*implemented resizable options for all
iemgui
objects (some
require
different behavior than others (e.g.
number2
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