- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
Yes but what they did was IMPROVE their entire
Mount, Penatax has done no such such thing
Here. That's what I am talking about. Its all
Loss with no gain. Canon EOS mount had a huge gain.
There is no gain with
I would highly recommend downloading all the security patches that Microsoft
offer: I have my systems set to auto-update, so most of the time I'm in bed
when it happens!
Don't forget that, if you don't have the latest patches installed, rogue
programs can exploit any vulnerabilities in those
- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture
simulator die-hards, they evaluate the credibility of respondents by
their tone as well as the semantic content of
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
Not to me it isnt. Satisfaction with a high quality product lasts
Far longer than the short term pleasure of a cheaper price. My
Philosophy has always been to buy WHAT I want at the
- Original Message -
From: John Francis
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
I've never seen a pair of pliers that was designed to modulate an
electrical signal, or that would fail because of a little rust.
You haven't? I've got at least one pair of pliers that are
next to useless
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
Do you know the differene between AE and AE locked?
If you don't then shup up and go read some Pentax manuals.
If you do then your just blowing smoke as ususal to argue.
And AE stands for what?
William
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Don't believe what companies tell you. They lie to
Hide motives. Secondly, I WILL PAY for the feature,
They don't need to reduce the cost of the body,
Especially if its going to
Maybe we should all write to Al?
On Oct 11, 2006, at 7:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will be out of the office starting 12.10.2006 and will not
return until
13.10.2006.
I will respond to your message when I return. In urgent cases please
contact Ali Adelstein, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/10/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That explains the istD, and can even explain the DS, DL and whatever
other names they put onto that chassis.
The K100 is a brand new chassis, as is the K10.
If popular demand was to put it back on, and it was viable, I expect
they would have
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
I saw this message yesterday. Is the list regurgitating or is JCO?
Both have been known to.
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Unified customer feedback is the best way of
reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount.
Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen.
... especially with sentiment like that on a pro-pentax list.
It is not inevitable. It is a (IMO poor)
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 05:49:35PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Pentax *does* monitor this list (and unfortunately for the aperture
simulator die-hards, they evaluate the
On 10/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please insert this r in the appropriate place. Apparently my smell
checker thinks shirt without the r is an OK word.
That stinks.
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Better yet, sign him up to the list so we could find out if he wants
Pentax to include the aperture simulator on the next camera.
On 10/11/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe we should all write to Al?
On Oct 11, 2006, at 7:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will be out of the
On 12/10/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No because you have springs, tiny parts, a variable resistor with its
own tiny linkage and the pot brush arm that depends on friction but not
too much that it would wipe out the resistive surface.
Tech now would make it cheaper to implement in an
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
But we were talking about K/M lenses so its not redundant.
There are more K/M lenses than all other lenses combined
So its not insignifigant. In other words, MOST Pentax
Lenses are not fully supported ( but
You have to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody. Pentax
keeps their actual engineers chained up in a dungeon on a small island
off the coast of Japan. That is why no one has actually talked directly
to one of them.
Do I have to say, GRIN!
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Quick, everybody send Ali an email devious grin.
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Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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Tom C wrote:
OK. Thanks for the notice.
Tom C.
Original Message Follows
Face it if they removed all the features I don't need or want they would
end up with an MX, and if they took the meter out of it I would not cry
too loudly. Only I already have a couple of those grin.
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Idiot Proof ==
- Original Message -
From: Cory Papenfuss
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
Unified customer feedback is the best way of
reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount.
Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen.
... especially with sentiment like
Paranoia will save you! But then you get all the MS Spyware installed on
your system, and who knows whom Bill sells that information to?
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Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
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- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
I have to reiterate things for people who don't understand
The basic difference between the Pentax DSLR K/M abandonment
And incompatibity in the name of progress caused by a new
Lensmount design. Pentax doesn't
On 12/10/06, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aah, c'mon. Since when has something as trivial as a fact stopped
JCO getting his panties in a wad? (ob.UK: knickers in a twist).
Fact? Sorry but as attractive as it may be to the non aperture
feedback crowd it's nothing but a Chinese
William Robb wrote:
From: Cory Papenfuss
Unified customer feedback is the best way of
reviving this (technically trivial) part of the classic K-mount.
Unfortunately that's the part that isn't going to happen.
... especially with sentiment like that on a pro-pentax list.
It is not
Cory Papenfuss wrote:
only aids in the death-knell of the K-mount.
Death knell? Dude, it is far from dying. As a matter of fact, I'd say
the k-mount is flourishing more than it has in 20 years. 5 or 6 *ist
varieties (at least three distinct bodies) plus 3 new kXX[X]D bodies in
the last
On 12/10/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I noted in an earlier message, check the DP Review and Imaging
Resource message boards: There isn't even a whisper of discontent about
this issue. Heck, I invite the fanatics on this issue, if they're so
convinced they're right, to try to
Hey, Marnie...
Your mailbox is full. It won't take any more messages!
I have a message for you!
AOL keeps sending it back to me.
keith whaley
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There was a pdmler that used to post here named Aaron. He was talking
about giving up his 6x7 gear because the upcoming K10D was soo good. ;)
rg
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Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the US. The
auction had ended and the seller agreed to
Not paranoid, just cautious. And since I write custom programs for clients
who would be most unimpressed if I passed them a virus, it safeguards my
livelihood.
I have _never_ received unsolicited approaches from anyone who might have
got my address or other information from Microsoft itself:
Simple question:
How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you
think Pentax will lose by not including the
Aperture Simulator feature?
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On 10/11/06, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simple question:
How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you
think Pentax will lose by not including the
Aperture Simulator feature?
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I do lightly toned monochrome prints on my R800. I really like
the quality I get on glossy paper--great resolution and crispness,
deep blacks, no weird color shifts visible to my eye, and output
consistent with what I see on screen (I use Photoshop CS2 and
calibrate my monitor with a
Mark Erickson wrote:
Simple question:
How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you
think Pentax will lose by not including the
Aperture Simulator feature?
At least one... JCO's! Not that he would buy it anyway. He'd come up
with some other conspiracy theory.
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On 12/10/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I noted in an earlier message, check the DP Review and Imaging
Resource message boards: There isn't even a whisper of discontent about
this issue. Heck, I invite the fanatics on this issue, if they're so
Well, I just won an MLU 67 with metered prism for USD$321. Shipping will be
another USD$68. The body looks to be in very good condition from the photos on
the listing, and it is a business seller.
I think it's a reasonable price, although I still have to find the money for a
lens. :(
At 05:18 AM 12/10/2006, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, graywolf wrote:
Graywolf has not bought a new camera since 1981, so Pentax doesn't give
a damn what he thinks.
I don't buy this argument. People sell their old equipment to buy new.
We are the real enablers.
E.g. I
You've made an interesting point, perhaps without even realizing it. It's
quite possible that JCO and others have never bought any new Pentax gear.
It's also quite possible that many of the others who are protesting and
making noise many not have bought any new Pentax gear, or perhaps just a
few
In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:57:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 1280 is old tech, nice in its day, I would go with the 1800 based
upon the performance of my R200. NOTE: I have not used either, I just
have found out from experience that Epson has made lots of
James...
That's a deal. And yeah, the lenses are pricey, but
only relatively, that is, when you consider the
negative size and the prints/scans possible from them
any extra cost is worth it. But there are deals out
there on lenses, too. KEH usually has a number of good
67 lenses for not much more
In a message dated 10/11/2006 6:47:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who gives a rip about speeeling errors?, we all make them. In addition why
proofread a post that really doesn't matter that much anyway?
Tom C.
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Well, from my own experience -- one of the best ways
Thanks for the replies! At this point the soonest
I'll be able to try the suggestions is Sunday (choir
rehearsal, a wedding rehearsal dinner, and a wedding
occupying evenings between now and then).
Dave, the strange thing is that printing slide scans
hasn't been a problem. I scan them as TIFFs,
At 11:58 PM 11/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/11/2006 8:53:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
rite on.
gr8 post crstn.
D.
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Aww, come on. That one isn't even hard to decode.
Mrn ;-)
That's about the limit of my understanding of that
In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has anyone seen this.
http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69
It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-)
That simply has to be a misprint.
If it isn't I'm buying
At 12:28 AM 12/10/2006, Christian wrote:
David Savage wrote:
At 11:21 PM 11/10/2006, Christian wrote:
This is why the internet, email and instant messaging are ruining the
written word. Punctuation is extremely important when you are trying to
make a point. A missing or misplaced comma can
You're too late. Some of us have got there already! vvvbg
Peter
- Original Message -
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a
mistake!
I think I'll go buy all the
You can't have mine - I just decided to keep them all, for now.
Stan
On Oct 11, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Tom C wrote:
I think I'll go buy all the used 645 glass. ;-)
Tom C.
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From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 10/11/06 9:07 PM, Mark Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except for the ones who are
switching to Pentax (and yes, there are some these days, thanks to the
K10D and the Limited lenses).
What?
Switching to Pentax?
What is the world becoming of!!
Ken
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Greywolf needs to wipe the egg off his face, he really stepped in it
this time.
Stan
On Oct 11, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
On 10/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please insert this r in the appropriate place. Apparently my smell
checker thinks shirt without the r is an
So, I was in Yosemite over the weekend and I was
shooting with my Dad. We were near mirror lake when a
couple of tourists paused as the walked by to look at
the 67.
The man saw me pulling a roll of Ektachrome out of the
camera and he turned to wife and said, Oh, look
honey, he's using film. How
Yeah, that's right, Pentax only printed a lens catalog in the 70's.
They never really sold any lenses other than 50mm K/M during
Those years. After all, who would want to change lenses on a SLR.
jco
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William
David Savage wrote:
Too true.
I had to look up l33t to find out what it meant. They should add it to
the list of languages on Babble Fish.
Dave
Try this http://www.jayssite.com/stuff/l33t/l33t_translator.html
it's a lot of fun!
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In a message dated 10/11/2006 6:39:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A lot of us, in order to be able to support our habit and our
hobby, have purchased much of our gear on the used market.
I've been a Pentax user since around 1967-68, and have bought only five new
cameras
David Savage wrote:
At 11:21 PM 11/10/2006, Christian wrote:
This is why the internet, email and instant messaging are ruining the
written word. Punctuation is extremely important when you are trying to
make a point. A missing or misplaced comma can drastically alter the
meaning of a sentence.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was the price. Pentax seems to
have wised up on how to make money over the last few years.
Actually, as has been suggested, investing in some older MF glass
definitely looks like a very good idea. :-)
Marnie aka Doe
-
Well, buyers can't turn to
Makes perfect sense John. Pentax is primarially in the business to sell
things, i.e. turn a profit.
We may personally feel slighted when a desired feature is removed. OTOH,
Pentax must continue to make money (sales) to stay in business.
JCO should buy a DSLR and try it, aperture simulator or
In a message dated 10/11/2006 7:32:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, buyers can't turn to Sigma for lenses. As long as they don't lose
money on the cameras, or don't lose too much, they have a captive market
for lenses. The only competition is used lenses.
Joe
John Coyle wrote:
I would highly recommend downloading all the security patches that Microsoft
offer: I have my systems set to auto-update, so most of the time I'm in bed
when it happens!
Don't forget that, if you don't have the latest patches installed, rogue
programs can exploit any
Since I said that it would be desireable only if it didn't raise the
cost, weight or displace other more useful features I'd actually have
to say no to highly desireable.
GS
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- Original Message -
From: John Francis
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
I've never seen a pair of pliers that was designed to modulate an
electrical signal, or that would fail because of a little rust.
You haven't? I've got at least one pair of pliers
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
Yeah, that's right, Pentax only printed a lens catalog in the 70's.
They never really sold any lenses other than 50mm K/M during
Those years. After all, who would want to change lenses on a SLR.
Practically
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
Well, from my own experience -- one of the best ways to annoy someone
is
concentrate on HOW they are saying something rather than on WHAT they
are saying.
I think you meant is to concentrate.
But I
Just for you guys who do know about where I live
Nope, I don't live near that building -
But I have a friend how lives in the building right next to
it - she
wasn't home -- she was on her way, walking up the street.
Another friend lives 3 blocks away, in a low rise - he was
also out,
heck of course. it could use the same mechanism as an optical shaft
encoder. but JCO's talking about the same design as in the past, not an
entirely new design.
rg
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On 12/10/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No because you have springs, tiny parts, a variable
keith_w wrote:
Hey, Marnie...
Your mailbox is full. It won't take any more messages!
I have a message for you!
AOL keeps sending it back to me.
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Okay - there msut be
If he decides to sell, I'll probably buy his gear. It's not far to carry
(Aaron lives around the corner from me) and I'm getting into MF.
Do wonder what he's been up to though.
-Adam
Gonz wrote:
There was a pdmler that used to post here named Aaron. He was talking
about giving up his 6x7
K.Takeshita wrote:
On 10/11/06 9:07 PM, Mark Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except for the ones who are
switching to Pentax (and yes, there are some these days, thanks to the
K10D and the Limited lenses).
What?
Switching to Pentax?
What is the world becoming of!!
Ken
Hey,
And these cheapo zoom lenses they have been selling as kit
Lenses since the A era are not out there too on the A and
Later side of the ledger? In fact, the 70's was much MORE
Of a prime lens era then by the time of A and later lenses so
I would venture to say there are WAY MORE good primes (not
Put my name on the aperture arm in a digital camera. If Pentax won't do
it, perhaps its partner, Samsung, would do it. I would consider a Samsung
with this feature over a Pentax without it.
Jim Apilado
I'm going to wait another day or two to finalize this survey.
I'm sorry it brought JCO
Personally, I've bought 2 new bodies in the last year or so (*istD on
Sept 16 05, K100D on Sept 16, 06), no new lenses yet, but that will
change this weekend (Buying 16-45 new). Lenses have all been used so
far, even the 18-55 I had for the D. I'm looking at getting new lenses
over the next
Now I need to find an affordable lens. Preferably 45 or 65 mm, but ultimately
I'll get
whatever I can afford to get me started.
James
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At 11:56 AM 12/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Put my name on the aperture arm in a digital camera. If Pentax won't do
it, perhaps its partner, Samsung, would do it. I would consider a Samsung
with this feature over a Pentax without it.
Jim Apilado
What makes you think Samsung would be
- Original Message -
From: Mark Erickson
Subject: Another Aperture Simulator Survey
Simple question:
How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you
think Pentax will lose by not including the
Aperture Simulator feature?
Not as many as they will lose by not making a full
Did _anyone_ say John's photo was crap? Did anyone say anyone's photo was
crap?
No.
No.
Relax Shel.
If you read the entire thread, you'll see a hypothetical was posed -
If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out.
I was simply relaying my experience in the critiquing
On 10/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now I need to find an affordable lens. Preferably 45 or 65 mm, but
ultimately I'll get
whatever I can afford to get me started.
the cheapest lens you'll find is probably an older 105/2.4 Takumar.
Probably not a bad normal lens. Not a
Quote of the week -
This is disposable fluff IMHO.
jco
Kenneth Waller
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The JCO survey
But I don't care and you can still understand them.
This isnt a job resume. I don't want to spend a lot
Of time
It's sad, you know.
When the istD came out 3 years ago, it had no aperture simulator.
We wailed most piteously about it.
Some of us said we would never buy a Pentax that didn't have one.
Some cruelly called the camera a crippled whore that couldn't dance.
Some called it a cheap plastic toy.
Many
- Original Message -
From: Kenneth Waller
Subject: Re: The JCO survey
Quote of the week -
This is disposable fluff IMHO.
What it lacks as fluffery, it makes up for in sheer volume.
William Robb
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