- Original Message -
From: Pedro Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Another link: http://www.chrysis.net/photo/pentax/pentax645n.htm
One lens is missing on that page; the 150-300 ED IF zoom lens. An excellent
optic BTW.
PÅL
- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inner Game of Outdoor Photography is effing brilliant. Haven't read
the other one. Yet.
Then you would certainly find vision equally brilliant as it is exactly in
the same vein...
PÅL
- Original Message -
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was going to tell you that you are full of shit, but I think it is
enough to say that I think you are quite wrong.
What the hell is creative in standing in another person tripod holes?
You seem to miss the point. This is
- Original Message -
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
does anybody know site with comprehensive 645 information about bodies,
lenses, accessories? Something like KMP??? I was searching for that, but
couldn't find anything :-( TIA for any help! :-)
Is there anything in
- Original Message -
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you knew anything about AA's working process from start to finish, you
would have shut up about five posts ago.
I know enough after owning and reading his three books the camera, the
negative and the print
This
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To
Pal, don't be silly. A photogapher doesn't own a particular spot in
nature. A
particular place they parked their tripod. Another photographer can park
their tripod in the exact same place, but it is unlikley they will get the
exact
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
I don't see it as the same thing at all -- tripod spot and story line.
Although boy gets girl boy loses girl boy gets girl -- if you are broad
and
inclusive enough when talking about a story line --- sure. I
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: AA bis
In a message dated 12/16/2005 7:18:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think someone said once
there are only seven different
- Original Message -
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: PESO: Velvia example for Kostas
OKAY! So there is someone else color challenged.
Personally, I think anyone liking ProviaF to be color
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, it's trying to duplicate the master. Do you seriously imagine anyone
succeeded? Got a shot that looked exactly like his?
No. But that isn't the point and doesn't making the least less pathetic.
Truly creative people don't worry
I use film cause I can't figure out why not...
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Colin J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I say I like Provia F, it seems I am 'color
challenged'.
But when you say you like Velvia, that is just 'a
matter of taste'.
Thank you for making that so very, very clear.
I was trying to turn the argument stated the other
- Original Message -
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My reality is set, as stated, and the redundant offering of your
reality continues as an exercise in futility.
The point is that it has nothing to do with reality. It is your taste you
hint at representing some universal
I believe it is 18,6P. J. AllingSat, 03 Dec 2005 10:59:14 -0800Yes, the
Kodak 16mp sensor...
Jostein wrote:
Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Since you can change backs on the H1 you can always get the Kodak 16mp MP
back for it.
Sure.
In case you don't know, the announced Pentax
- Original Message -
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm with you there. I liked his photographic work much more than his
writing. He struck me, IIRC, as a little too above it all. Maybe I was
just jealous.
I like his writing even better than his photography. Considering how
- Original Message -
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is not true. It is a very common technique for people who are
learning
to draw, and recommended in most decent books about drawing. It helps you
to
understand how the other person worked, how their arm moved, what the
pressure
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This one time, at band camp, Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16
mPix
sensor.
No, I did not know. Very interesting. Do we know what make of sensor
- Original Message -
From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then there's the philosophical objection: a negative is an image, a
digital file is a description of an image.
I'm still happily using my MZ-S.
Some people find it fascinating that the piece of film was actually there
- Original Message -
From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then there's the philosophical objection: a negative is an image, a
digital file is a description of an image.
Personally, I don'æ have a philosophical ojection towards digital or any
philosophical connections to film. I
- Original Message -
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
interesting shot for Ansel Adams fans:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
follow the last link for a related story.
Why would anyone want to copy Ansel Adams (or any other
photographer/photograph)?
Seems to me to
- Original Message -
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why? Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Ansel Adams is dead so he is not easily flattered anymore...
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copy is a big word. Being influenced by the work of others is
impossible to control.
Theres nothing wrong with influende and inspiration. Hpwever, standing
litterally in someones tripod holes under the same (rare)
Anyone knows how quick B+H are to ship the orders? My order has been under
processing for three days now. The item is still listed as in stock and
my card has been charged
I had hoped to get the scanner til christmas
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Speed of delivery will depend a lot on which company they use here. If
it's the post office, it takes ages to get it through customs. Linjegods
and particularly Tollpost have much more effective routines.
The problem is that
Tom wrote:
OK... Jack... now show us a shot that's in focus or where there's not a
breeze... I think the colors of the leaves and such are just fine...
obviously shot in low light with a lot of contrast, hence the very dark
almost silhouette... but I don't find the colors, which are supposed
I'm not using digital. I've just ordered an Nikon 9000ED scanner and plan to
stick with film for a few more years. Besides, Pentax digital offerings are
quite underwhelming in my opinion, and doesn't trigger a hint of gearlust in
me at least...
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're, of course, right in your statement that no image capture will
exactly replicate nature as presented to one's eye.
All is relative. 'Close to honest' is my standard in this medium.
I, also, agree that Velvia's greens and
- Original Message -
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Interesting... I don't recall having a color cast problem.
There is no color cast problem with Velvia. Interestingly, there is indeed
one for Provia F (at least the first few years - maybe they've fixed it
now); a rather
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But only to the detriment of subtle detail lost in the saturation.
True. In addition, Velvias high contrast and narrow latitude is a problem. I
have no problems with the colors however, although high saturations isn't
- Original Message -
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does your local distributor charge?
It cost 26 000 + Nkr discount price. From B+ H including shipping and VAT it
will come around 16 000 + Nkr. The saving is in the order of ~1500USD!
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16
mPix
sensor.
Isn't it 18?
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not much substance provided to that opinion?
I know a professional nature photographer using H1 for his work. You can
have a
look at his work on the Samfoto website; his name is Svein Grønvold. Since
he's
dependent on his
- Original Message -
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't you pay import taxes? Or have you included them?
They are incuded
- Original Message -
From: Ronald Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
It is not true that the main focus of Hasselblad was indoor wedding.
Victor Hasselblads aim with the first
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Auto Focus system does the 645Nii use?
Is it the same as the 35mm offerings?
SAFOX V. The same as on the MZ-5.
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree, and add to that the inane use of polarizers and graduated tobacco
filters and the hideous picture is complete. There is a solution though,
don't
use Velvia and educate those you can. I know it's depressing to witness
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: Nikon Coolscan 9000 ED
This MF film scanner can be had at a price from Amazon of no more than a
decent DSLR ($1800).
Too good to be true it seems
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Too good to be true it seems. Amazon refuse to ship it internationally and
B+H wants $200 in shipping costs!
If the B+ H web page says something is in stock can one assume it really is
in stock?
Reputedly, this scanner
- Original Message -
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system?
Would it
be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines,
deserts or wet conditions?
In my opinion the Hasselblad is strictly a
- Original Message -
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My feeling is that if any of the many back of the photo magazine
photo (etc) houses accurately represents their stock, it would be BH.
Now someone can relate their BH horror story.
I'm currently going through one with Adorama.
This MF film scanner can be had at a price from Amazon of no more than a
decent DSLR ($1800). So I wonder if I should buy this one and rather
postpone switching to digital cameras about five years or so. I'm in fact
quite happy with film and my LX, MZ-S and 645NII fit my needs perfectly. The
I seem to be unable to get decent prints from my brand new Epson R2400 printer.
There are stripes a few millimeters apart on all prints. I've made sure that
the right paper type is selected (I use Epson glossy photo paper). I've gone
through all the various head cleaning precedures. The tests
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:14 PM
Subject: RE: Problems with Epson R2400
http://www.wellesley.edu/Computing/Epson/epson.html#badquality
Thanks Shel. I've tried all this but it doesn't
Jostein wrote:
Have you turned off fast printing in the driver?
If not, that could be one thing to try.
To do this, you must set the colour adjustment mode (main tab in
print settings; utskriftsinnstillinger if your Windows is in
Norwegian). Change the setting to custom, then click
- Original Message -
From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Take a look at the Epson 2400 as well as the 4800 (which is an A2 printer).
I am seriously considering the 4800 as my next printer to replace my current
2000 with CIS (continuous inking system). A3+ size is a bit too
Anyone who can recommend an A3 quality photo printer. A while back an Epson
model (was it called 7500?) was recommended. Is it still the one to have?
Pål
Dario wrote:
Today, digital FF is more than enough for at least 99% of the pro market.
For that reason I think of digital MF as a niche.
But these kind of arguments are absurd! It they made any kind of sense we would
still be driving Ford model T's.
Kodachrome was good enough for 99% of
Paul wrote:
Yes you will. But there are a lot of shooters who will want medium format. If
someone, say Pentax for example, can produce medium format at a price that is
competitive with FF digital, it will sell. It's a wide-open market niche that
seems to be a custom fit for Pentax. The
Dario wrote:
So I think the 645D to make sense only for the owners of a complete 645
outfit. Once again, a strategy for keeping some of the existing customers
from switching, not a strategy for gaining new customers.
I think that the first manufacturer who can make an MF based DSLR that
Jens wrote:
As sensors get better and better it seems to me it's a matter of time, when
there's really no need for medium format anymore. If this is true, Canon
will(again) come out ahead of the competition. I mean, what's the point in
making huge MF sensors if 35mm format is getting better
Dario wrote:
I never said to buy a Ford T after a Ford T, and I never said to buy a *istD
after an *istD. Where do you get such an idea from?
The point I was trying to make was virtually everything have once been regarded
as good enough, including the T Ford
I think a 16MP DSLR in a
Christian wrote:
Except that right now, as it stands, the D is the TOP Pentax model. The DL
would be the entry point into the system. Based on Pentax's strategy, I'd
expect (assuming there is a first 645D released) the 2nd 645D to be a
lesser-speced body... 645Ds()? :-)
According to
Dario wrote:
Paal, apparently you always forget money. Can you afford anything you can
dream of?
Prices will drop. I have a magazine article from over 20 years ago at the
introduction of the CD. All industry expert claimed that due to the very low
yield rate of CD manufacture (less than
Dario wrote:
Just a niche I won't negate the existence of.
Yes, but at present full frame 35mm DSLR is a niche and two years ago DSLR's
were a niche
Pål
William wrote:
That has more to do with Canon's manufacturing prowess than anything else.
Pentax is a small company with limited resources.
Canon is a large company willing to put unlimited resources into buying
whatever market they choose to go after.
REPLY:
Very unlikely in my opinion.
Tom wrote:
So the question becomes in many respects, if one WANTS to purchase the new
Pentax body (assuming there's one forthcoming... I mean I actually expect to
see one, but has Pentax officially let us know?),
REPLY:
According to press releases, leakage, magazine articles Pentax will
Bob wrote:
I was told weeks ago by an insider that Sony was determined to make the Lexus
of DSLRs,
REPLY:
You mean something that only sells in north America and Japan?
Pål
Toralf wrote:
Then again, there is also a theory saying that big toys may be a
compensation for small size in certain other areas...
Thats why you'll never see me with a Canon; their marketing is full of phallic
symbolism..
Pål
Toralf wrote:
Furthermore, I suspect Canon chose in-lens motors because they had
decided that there would be no mechanical coupling whatsoever between
the lens an body, i.e. not based on AF considerations as such. May or
may not have been a good idea; that's really a different discussion.
Godfrey wrote:
Canon's lenses are state of the art mechanically. The ring motor USM
mounts are excellent.
Thats debatable. Some of their lenses are crap mechanically. Every Leica lens
surpass them and their best are no better than the competition from Nikon,
Minolta, Pentax and Olympus.
Bob wrote:
On Wednesday, October 5, 2005, at 01:20 PM, Pål Jensen wrote:
In fact, most Nikons were in fact Pentax copies apart from those
inspired by Topcon.
I've never heard that assertion before. It is completely false.
Really? It is no secret that the japanese were good
Tom wrote:
Hmm... Makes me wonder why the Simon and Garfunkel song Kodachrome
mentioned having a Nikon camera...
Nikon was the camera mans camera and the choice of pros. However, back then
the pros didn't want the latest gizmos. If you discussed with those who
wanted pro cameras they
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
I thought what happened was the ones who said pros couldn't use
battery-dependent cameras and didn't need meters have now retired, and the new
generation insists upon USM, multipoint metering etc.
REPLY:
Not necessarily. In the days before Nikon offered USM, Nikon users
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
Additionally, the Nikon F100 is a *lot* like the PZ-1p, only a few years later
and with the added technology those few years brought. The main difference
seems to be that everybody and their dawg knew about the F100 when it came out,
and they still haven't heard of the
- Original Message -
From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The idea behind my message above was to provide something to adjust and
tweak. If you really think that Pentax is losing out as a company by not
providing full K/M compatibility, it shouldn't be too hard to see which of
my
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the comment wasn't personal its PENTAX treating
YOU like a monkey boy or ANYONE ELSE they
make jump thru those hoops to take a picture.
I find your posts increasingly nutty but very entertaining
Pål
1. Ultra compact magnesium weather sealed body.
2. Ultra compact weather sealed lenses made of magnesium (and glass of course!)
too.
3. Lots of megapixels giving image quality better than whats achieveable with
film (which ever way you measure)
4. Possible to switch from manual mode to aperture
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1. Ultra compact magnesium weather sealed body.
Actually, this is quite important to me as I had had both the MZ-S and the
645NII at repair due to seawater seeping in to the body. The selector around
the release button
Ho-Ho. This thread is getting incredibly funny!
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Camera engineering (This is signifigant)
ARE YOU RETARDED are ARE YOU JUST PLAYING DUMB?
- Original Message -
I can't recall when I first joined, but I remember one post from the early
days
where you described having your LX breaking down while photographing an
airshow
or similar. Something about it not working on manually selected shutter
speeds,
only on auto. Do
- Original Message -
From: Chan Yong Wei
I'd want a digital sensor sitting in a manual, mechanical body.
Whats the point with that? It won't work without batteries anyway.
Pål
- Original Message -
From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, the high price of lenses on ebay, even for K/M versions,
indicates that there is high demand for them.
Actually it doesn't. It only means that the supply is less than the demand. At
a certain point in time there were,
- Original Message -
From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We all know that Pentax has many patents for technologies that they never
productized themselves, but this looks like a lot of activity in a short
period of time. We can hope, can't we?
You can always hope but they've
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Im getting tired of arguing but in my
experiences with ebay which are vast,
the K/M lenses that are going for big
bucks now have always gone for big bucks
and most likely because there are lots
of them WHERE YOU CANT BUY
- Original Message -
From: Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I forgot to mention that the demand for these lenses went way up right
after the *DS was released. Like I said, I don't think these lenses are
going on film cameras.
Sure. The demand probably quadrupled from close to zero. It
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you are using a variable aperture zoom
then EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE ZOOM SETTING
you have to do the green button slavery
because the real aperture is changing and
green button mode doesn't take that into
account.
How
- Original Message -
I am sorry to inform you but high quality
photographic lenses are NOT typical products.
They have usable life spans in the decades
not years so all your posts are irrelavant
because you have no evidence to suggest
that its true that nobody wants or uses these
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The difference is that today CANON bodies and lenses
are much BETTER than they would have been if they had
kept compatiblity with FD lenses. LOOK AT THEIR SALES.
That is not the point. If there is such a demand for using
- Original Message -
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm afraid the last is incorrect. Zeiss Biogon 21mm's and OM 21mm's have
trebled in value because of the Canon 1Ds mkII and the poor performance
of the Canon EF wide-angle lenses on that body.
Holy shit man! When I say nobody
- Original Message -
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lets throw a little something on the fire..
I'm sure they made great zoom lenses 30 years ago
Pål
- Original Message -
They're not mounting 30 year old Canon lenses on their EOS because they
can't...
If it is such a bloody good idea, why can't they?
(rethorical question)
Pål
JCO:
THEY HAVE BETRAYED THEIR CUSTOMERS if the policy
is now to disable older legacy products without cause which is what
they have done.
They betrayed their customers about 10-15 years ago
Pål
JCO wrote:
Regarding millions of lenses I think that it's often
forgotten that SLRS used to be much more popular mainstream photo
items before the advent of advanced PS cameras that followed
them in the 80's. So back in the K/M era which was ALL THEY MADE
from 1975 thru 1983 not only were
Patrice wrote:
While Pentax invented the (mostly) useless PowerZoom, Canon invented
USM. Assuming that Pentax is NOW (?) working on USM and/or
stabilization, who knows what Nikon/Canon sell by the time it gets to
the market?
Actually, Pentax invented IS back in 89/90 but they haven't
I made my first post on this forum 18/8-95. Then it was just started...
I think I'm the oldest surviving member...
Time flies...
Pål
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I disagree. The K/M lenses are extremely capable
high quality manual focus lenses ( If they werent then
why do you think they were so popular?)
I never said that K or M lenses wasn't capable. What the buying public wants
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think AGE has anything to do with
lens purchases or utility . You buy for
image quality, focal lengths, speeds,
coating types, bulky or compactness, features like manual or auto
focus, metering capability, etc.
Toralf wrote:
I still want to take the image view on this, though (surely image is
more important to photo companies than most others ;-)) The question is
not (only) if people actually want to use these old lenses, but how the
lens compatibility issue affects Pentax'es image, i.e. the way
William wrote:
The ist film chassis is completely different from the istD chassis.
One is not based on the other.
I'm sure they share camera electronics circuitry
Pål
JCO wrote:
PENTAX is refusing to support
these lenses when they still easily and cheaply
can. Theyre not incompatable, that might
be reasonable if they were, this is pure non
product support of SLR system components that
are still fully compatible.
We don't know if Pentax is refusing to
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A DSLR has massive amounts
of electronics that film cameras don't
have or need. I don't think it's a fair
characterization to say they share
electronics circuitry.
I didn't say that. I said camera electronics
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you want to join a big thread, READ
IT FIRST, then join it. that's how it works.
Theres no point in this case as you keep repeating the same argument over and
over...
Pål
William wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Bob Sullivan wrote:
No, I think John Mustarde (Texdance) would be much more interesting.
Did'nt he have a bet with Pal that involved nailing some private parts
to a tree if a Pentax digital SLR camera wasn't delivered by a certain
date? Bob S.
Godfrey:
I would find it better to first try to establish a relationship with someone
... does anyone here KNOW anyone at Pentax USA or Japan corporate, for
instance? ... and then submit a *short* want list of well justified items per
their recommendation of the right timing, etc.
REPLY:
JCO:
I honestly don't think it would help because I think
they ALREADY KNOW what they have done and the decision
was made with full knowledge. As to whether they
offer a DSLR body with full Pentax lens support, that's
another decision but if you think about it , they could probably charge
a
Mark wrote:
J.C., I'm absolutely serious. I agree that full K/M compatibility is more
valuable than partial K/M compatibility to K/M lens owners and potential K/M
lens owners. That was not my question, however. I asked about the value of
adding full K/M compatibility TO PENTAX THE COMPANY.
Willima wrote:
I am wondering what the big lens owners are using to support their large sized
glass? I am interested in the advantages and disadvantages of the various heads
out there capable of supporting a super telephoto in the 3.3 kilogram range.
REPLY:
The lens isn't that heavy (the
I wrote:
Some use gimbal heads as well, like the Wimberley. Both a video and a gimball
head force you to level the tripod in order to work most effectively. A
fluid video head could be something to consider if you will use the lens with
converters a lot.
Let me just add that neither a ball
Juan wrote:
I do prefer HCB's, although it is far from his best pictures. Adams',
as most of his work, is just another postcard, a beautifully rendered,
trite image.
It is purely in the eye of the beholder. I have no interest whatsoever in any
other type of photography other than nature
Gautam wrote:
I'm thinking of getting an MZ-S and wondered how
solidly it's built. Would it be likely to last
a few decades of weekend use? Also, how good is
it at keeping dust out? I travel a fair bit to
dusty places so both things are important.
It is very well built. It is the
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