CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Dario Bonazza
Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Dario Bonazza
Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread John
On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Darren Addy
The line between the dots (that Dario is connecting) is that the manufacturer that is making the CMOS sensor to be used in the Hasselblad is SONY. That is not insignificant. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126702-hasselblad-reveals-first-medium-format-cmos-sensor-opening-the-door-for-other

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Darren Addy
price to come down. I don't think there is any question that a 645D II will be coming out sometime in 2014. I think putting a CMOS in makes sense, but I'm wondering if it can be done at the original price point of the 645D (which was $9995, if memory serves). On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Darren

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Ken Waller
That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? Competition ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John johnsess...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread John
Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Dario Bonazza
John, Ricoh CURRENTLY HAS a Pentax MF digital system to keep updated with competition. That does not apply to FF. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF Both arguments apply

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread John
not apply to FF. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Bruce Walker
, Dario Bonazza wrote: John, Ricoh CURRENTLY HAS a Pentax MF digital system to keep updated with competition. That does not apply to FF. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF Both

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
-Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM

Re: CMOS sensor for MF

2014-01-21 Thread P.J. Alling
Ricoh may want to stay in that business, but the 645D needed a refresh two years ago, so the question is will it be viable for them. On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF

CMOS vs CCD

2011-05-18 Thread Igor Roshchin
For those who are technically inclined and would like to figure out pro's and con's for CMOS sensors vs. CCD ones: http://www.dalsa.com/corp/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.aspx Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML

Canon develops world's largest CMOS sensor

2010-09-03 Thread Doug Franklin
8 x 8 (202mm x 205mm) CMOS sensor captures with 1/100th the light required by a DSLR sensor can theoretically do 60 fps video at 0.3 lux (about half of bright moonlight) In a quick look, I don't see a mention of the pixel resolution http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008

Re: Canon develops world's largest CMOS sensor

2010-09-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
Now that would be a point and shoot. ;-) imagine what it costs. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: 8 x 8 (202mm x 205mm) CMOS sensor captures with 1/100th the light required by a DSLR sensor can theoretically do 60 fps video at 0.3 lux (about half

RE: Canon develops world's largest CMOS sensor

2010-09-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Doug Franklin 8 x 8 (202mm x 205mm) CMOS sensor captures with 1/100th the light required by a DSLR sensor can theoretically do 60 fps video at 0.3 lux (about half of bright moonlight) In a quick look, I don't see a mention of the pixel resolution http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008

Re: Canon develops world's largest CMOS sensor

2010-09-03 Thread Sandy Harris
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cool. Wonder how much for a 202mm x 254mm? They are using 12 inch wafers, so 8 by 8 with diagonal at 8*root2 which is about 8*1.4 = 11'2 is about as big as will fit. 8 by 10 gives 100 + 64 for squares, root 164 for the

Re: Canon develops world's largest CMOS sensor

2010-09-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-03 18:44, Sandy Harris wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cool. Wonder how much for a 202mm x 254mm? They are using 12 inch wafers, so 8 by 8 with diagonal at 8*root2 which is about 8*1.4 = 11'2 is about as big as will fit. 8 by 10

Re: Canon develops world's largest CMOS sensor

2010-09-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Sandy Harris On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Cool. Wonder how much for a 202mm x 254mm? They are using 12 inch wafers, so 8 by 8 with diagonal at 8*root2 which is about 8*1.4 = 11'2 is about as big as will fit. 8 by 10 gives 100 + 64 for

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
upon how you want to look at it.. but the difference between CMOS and CCD is not relevant. The issue is that Lightroom does not have any calibration tables for the K7 as yet, AFAIK. So the thing to do is get the DNG Profile Editor, shoot a couple of controlled tests with a Macbeth Color Checker

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 30, 2009, at 10:26, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The issue is that Lightroom does not have any calibration tables for the K7 as yet, AFAIK. So the thing to do is get the DNG Profile Editor, shoot a couple of controlled tests with a Macbeth Color Checker or equivalent, and create a good

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread paul stenquist
Adobe has worked out K7 specs for PSCS4 ACR. RAW images open nicely in that converter. Paul On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 30, 2009, at 10:26, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The issue is that Lightroom does not have any calibration tables for the K7 as yet, AFAIK. So

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Matthew Montgomery
On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:22 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Adobe has worked out K7 specs for PSCS4 ACR. RAW images open nicely in that converter. Paul Lightroom 2.4 lists support for the K-7. Out of curiosity, is this the version used that renders the K-7 RAW files so poorly? On Jul 30, 2009,

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Matthew Montgomery matt...@electricjunk.com wrote: Lightroom 2.4 lists support for the K-7. Out of curiosity, is this the version used that renders the K-7 RAW files so poorly? Quite so. Here at least. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 30, 2009, at 13:32, Matthew Montgomery wrote: On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:22 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Adobe has worked out K7 specs for PSCS4 ACR. RAW images open nicely in that converter. Paul Lightroom 2.4 lists support for the K-7. Out of curiosity, is this the version used that

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours? On Jul 30, 2009, at 13:32, Matthew Montgomery wrote: On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:22 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Adobe has worked out K7 specs for PSCS4 ACR. RAW images open nicely in that converter. Paul

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running 2.4 also. My K7 DNGs are perhaps a tad warmer than those from my K20, but it certainly isn't objectionable. Any tendency of blue skies veering towards cyan? This is my main prob. Difference between Lightroom 2.4 for Mac and Windows? Mac Dual

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Ralf R. Radermacher Subject: Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours? Any tendency of blue skies veering towards cyan? This is my main prob. Difference between Lightroom 2.4 for Mac and Windows? Mac Dual G5 under 10.5.7 here. I'll have to check that for you. I won't

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM, William Robbwar...@gmail.com wrote: Any tendency of blue skies veering towards cyan? This is my main prob. Difference between Lightroom 2.4 for Mac and Windows? Mac Dual G5 under 10.5.7 here. I'll have to check that for you. I won't be able to do so until

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ralf, I'm not having any problems with Lightroom 2.4, but I installed the 2.3 to 2.4 upgrade at the same time I got the K-7. My recollection is that Adobe had me install the same fix as Paul S is using for PSCS4 ACR and RAW images. Hope this helps. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:22

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-30 Thread Bob Sullivan
More specifically, Adobe recommended installing an update to get Photoshop Elements 7.0 to recognize K-7 DNG's. I'm running PS Elements 5.0 but did the upgrade anyway. Colors are fine in both Lightroom 2.4 and Elements 5.0 on my Windows machine. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:19

CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
After using a K10D for a few years I find that the colours I'm getting from my new K-7 are a trifle odd, to put it mildly. Particularly my sky colours now look like 1950's bathroom tiles. Some awful cyanish cast that I have only had with the K10D in severely overexposed shots. Grey sky comes out

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Graydon
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:50:54PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit: [sky looks like bathroom tile] The camera is set to AWB, just like the K10D, as well. Colours space in both cases is Adobe RGB. The times I've seen something like that have been the white balance being set to tungsten in

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Tim Bray
2009/7/29 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: After using a K10D for a few years I find that the colours I'm getting from my new K-7 are a trifle odd, to put it mildly. Particularly my sky colours now look like 1950's bathroom tiles. Some awful cyanish cast that I have only had with the K10D

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: After using a K10D for a few years I find that the colours I'm getting from my new K-7 are a trifle odd, to put it mildly. Particularly my sky colours now look like 1950's bathroom tiles. Some awful cyanish cast that I have only had with the K10D in severely

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread AlunFoto
Ralf, Do you shoot PEF? If you do, maybe it's worth an exposure to test if DNG is any different, just to test if the software has got the file format wrong. Notice also that Pentax has sometimes been criticised for producing a magenta cast in low colour temp settings, and with the K-7 there's a

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
. I suspect you'll be able to dig out the exact number of that setting before I do. My suspicions went rather in the direction of CCD vs. CMOS behaviour. I had a K20D for two weeks, just before I got the K-7, and I had similar troubles getting the sky to look right. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
PSCS4 supports K7 RAW files, and they open looking very normal and nice in that software's ACR converter. The k7 files generally don't require as much tweaking as did those from the K20D, although that's primarily the result of more predictable exposure. Paul On Jul 29, 2009, at 2:59 PM,

Re: CMOS vs. CCD colours?

2009-07-29 Thread Larry Colen
What happens if you shoot a greycard and color balance in PS? -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

New CMOS sensors catching on in cameras

2008-01-29 Thread Derby Chang
Apropos to the recent question about CCD vs CMOS, with the K20D used as an example. http://tinyurl.com/2fczxs http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9860021-39.html?part=dtxtag=nl.e703 D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

Re: New CMOS sensors catching on in cameras

2008-01-29 Thread Igor Roshchin
CCD vs CMOS, with the K20D used as an example. http://tinyurl.com/2fczxs http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9860021-39.html?part=dtxtag=nl.e703 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: New CMOS sensors catching on in cameras

2008-01-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Derby: Thanks for posting this. Now I've been schooled on something I didn't know much about. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: New CMOS sensors

CMOS vs CCD sensor

2008-01-23 Thread Igor Roshchin
What are the pro's and con's of CMOS and CCD sensors? It is something I should know, and I even remember reading about it, but I don't remember. So, I'd appreciate if someone can either post a link to or list them here. Additionally, a specific question: which one should (theoretically) show

Re: CMOS vs CCD sensor

2008-01-23 Thread Adam Maas
CMOS is lower power, lower heat and inherently noisier, but with easier to control noise characteristics. -Adam On 1/23/08, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the pro's and con's of CMOS and CCD sensors? It is something I should know, and I even remember reading about it, but I

Re: CMOS vs CCD sensor

2008-01-23 Thread Gonz
I dont know if there is any difference between them as far as noise per unit area of silicon for one photosite, but I'm wondering if CMOS provides a different fill factor for the whole chip that gives it an advantage via more silicon per photosite, if indeed CMOS has a better fill factor. On 1

Re: CMOS vs CCD sensor

2008-01-23 Thread Mark Roberts
Gonz wrote: I dont know if there is any difference between them as far as noise per unit area of silicon for one photosite, but I'm wondering if CMOS provides a different fill factor for the whole chip that gives it an advantage via more silicon per photosite, if indeed CMOS has a better fill

Re: CMOS vs CCD sensor

2008-01-23 Thread David J Brooks
Either way, i can spell them both, so i'm ok Dave On Jan 23, 2008 5:00 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gonz wrote: I dont know if there is any difference between them as far as noise per unit area of silicon for one photosite, but I'm wondering if CMOS provides a different fill

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-09-02 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/21/2007 8:55:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's funny that all the hundrdes of 1000's of Digital Rebel owners don't seem to be complaining. There must be something about the camera that makes up for it. Tom C. === The viewfinder

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-09-02 Thread David Savage
On 9/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no preference between the K100D (which I have now) and the 300D. They are both good cameras. Yeah but...but...Pentax has better lenses! g,dr Cheers, Dave. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-23 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Not quite the same, Cory. For operation of the current DSLRs, the cycle of activity starts with the mirror down, sensor initialized and ready to go. For a Live View mode, the shutter has to be closed, the sensor reset to the capture mode, and then the exposure cycle started. If in continuous

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-23 Thread Steve Desjardins
Well I just came back from a long sunny weekend at the races in Virginia and the LCD was nearly useless for anything but text. I tried hats, umbrellas, dug a hole, etc. My friend is in Scotland for the summer and she uses her LCD all the time. Maybe that British weather is useful for something

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 23, 2007, at 5:33 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: ... Unless there is a physical, mechanical linkage between the mirror, shutter, and focus motor (unlikely). ... In Pentax DSLR cameras, the operation of the iris actuation, mirror and shutter mechanisms are mechanically linked very tightly

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I more usually need a shade to see through the optical finder of my SLR cameras as, with glasses, light leaking around the finder in sunny circumstances makes it harder to see the image and information display than an LCD display using my hand as a shade. In extreme situations, however, a

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-23 Thread Cory Papenfuss
... Unless there is a physical, mechanical linkage between the mirror, shutter, and focus motor (unlikely). ... In Pentax DSLR cameras, the operation of the iris actuation, mirror and shutter mechanisms are mechanically linked very tightly together. The iris actuation system can operate as

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Steve Desjardins
Maybe I would adapt, but for me most situations are either too fast to be checking the LCD or slow enough to just pop off a few shots and look. I usually check the histogram once I get in a new lighting situation or if I think the meter can't handle it. I have the enlarge button set to the max so

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
With the capability of Live View and MF Assist, you have your choice to use what's appropriate when you want to, that's all. If you've never used a camera that has the facility, you can't know how it will be useful to you ... it is a paradigm shift. Regards battery life: The Panasonic L1

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: With the capability of Live View and MF Assist, you have your choice to use what's appropriate when you want to, that's all. If you've never used a camera that has the facility, you can't know how it will be useful to you ... it is a paradigm

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Joseph Tainter
A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little TV screen on the back. Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much the same reason the K10D screen based menu settings are

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Not to pick nits here, but 1500mAh is not a measure of battery energy capacity unless the voltage is known. It's similar to saying My car gets 35 miles per. If the gallon are understood (e.g. AA NiMH chemistry), it's a good way of

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote: A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little TV screen on the back. Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread David Savage
On 8/22/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little TV screen on the back. Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Cory Papenfuss
You excel at picking nits. It's unimportant, Cory. What's important is that the differential between shooting with the Live View enabled vs the optical finder alone is not that enormous. If the minutiae of the battery specification is that important to you, you could have looked it up

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Thibouille
I think that sensor (which has to support video mode) and the mirror problem (it's in the way) are the main culprits. OTOH, it's basically a free addition since it doesn't require anything other than software, so I'm surprised it's taken this long to be included. -Cory -- Thibault

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Yes, I have a tendency to pick nits particularly on pet peeves. Battery misinformation is one such pet peeve. It was not a personal attack, simply pointing out that such a piece of information is useless for the point trying to be

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Cory Papenfuss
to an unusable level. And I'm ignorant of these issues. I'd imagine the CCD's are more difficult to read out this way than CMOS sensors. One doesn't need anywhere near full resolution to display on the LCD. then there is all the mechanical coordination required for a DSLR to manage

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 22, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I'm ignorant of these issues. I'd imagine the CCD's are more difficult to read out this way than CMOS sensors. One doesn't need anywhere near full resolution to display on the LCD. I don't know what these distinctions would

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It incorporates some very

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/08/07, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View with a DSLR? It could be handy if it includes a histogram and responds to exposure controls. :-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View with a DSLR? 1- Exact, precise 100% coverage framing 2- Live histogram display for dynamic exposure adjustment 3- Critical focusing aids if the camera implements image

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Steve Desjardins
: 3 LCD with Live View. Cheers, Dario - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony It seems that we already know what will Sony

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:18, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: My Panasonic L1 has Live View and all the above features. It is a fantastic aid in various kinds of work, kind of an ideal hybrid. Use the optical reflex viewfinder for what it's best at, use the LCD display for what it's best at, and gain a

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony And the EOS 40D has been introduced, so that we can figure out the next trend: 3 LCD with Live View. Excellent, it should filter down to us sometime around 2014. William

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It incorporates some very

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Cakalic
@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:39:10 -0400 It's a feature. There's no point really... Wait a minute, have you looked down a Digital Rebel's viewfinder lately? Steve Desjardins wrote: I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Too late, the end of the world comes before that... http://www.greatdreams.com/end-world.htm John Sessoms wrote: From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony And the EOS 40D has been introduced, so that we

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:39:10 -0400 It's a feature. There's no point really... Wait a minute, have you looked down a Digital

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:10 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR? (Customer in BigBox/Camera Store: Which camera should I buy? Salesdroid: Heres a Digital Rebel, it's made by Canon, they sell the most cameras therefor they're the best at everything.

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Tom C
Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:10 -0400 They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR? (Customer in BigBox/Camera Store: Which camera should I buy? Salesdroid: Heres a Digital Rebel, it's made by Canon, they sell the most cameras therefor they're

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Tom C
on the recording medium. Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:18:45 -0700 On Aug 21, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: I

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
at the subject. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:10 -0400 They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The primary reason for less than 100% viewfinder coverage with SLR reflex optical systems is cost of manufacture and the resulting price to the users. Optical systems built to this standard require larger, heavier components with more rejects and more accuracy in assembly by a

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Tom C
/nothing less. Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:42:56 -0700 The primary reason for less than 100% viewfinder

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
the viewfinder is to see the scene one will capture. In a perfect world it would be nothing more/nothing less. Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Bruce Dayton
pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:39:10 -0400 It's a feature. There's no point really... Wait a minute, have you looked down a Digital Rebel's viewfinder lately? Steve Desjardins wrote: I must be missing something. What is the point

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony IMO, not having 100% coverage in a viewfinder is a far more serious issue than it being a little dim for one's tastes. Of course we've all gotten used to it, but I fail to see why, all things

RE: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 21 August 2007 16:47 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Too late, the end of the world comes before that... http

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Dario Bonazza
:07 PM Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony On 22/08/07, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must be missing something. What is the point of Live View with a DSLR? It could be handy if it includes a histogram and responds to exposure controls. :-) -- Rob Studdert

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Mark Roberts
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All is here:

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/08/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard that said before, but what kind of tolerances are we talking about? I would think that's it's not as expensive as it may seem, but is used as a value-added feature to raise the price on the high-end bodies. Not arguing with you, but it

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Har! Mark Roberts wrote: Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All is here:

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony It's funny that all the hundrdes of 1000's of Digital Rebel owners don't seem to be complaining. There must be something about the camera that makes up for it. You must not hang out on any

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Tom Cakalic
@pdml.net Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:25:00 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom Cakalic Subject: Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony It's funny that all the hundrdes of 1000's of Digital Rebel owners don't seem to be complaining

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling They've never seen a good viewfinder on a DSLR? (Customer in BigBox/Camera Store: Which camera should I buy? Salesdroid: Heres a Digital Rebel, it's made by Canon, they sell the most cameras therefor they're the best at everything. Customer: Duh, OK) New camera owner

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/08/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even have a viewfinder anymore. The only way you can compose the image is to look at the little TV screen on the back. Yes, they're just great with daylight coming from behind you, much the same

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
You've got to get an after market screen shade. Of course they don't seem to exist for the K10d yet... http://www.internationalsupplies.com/delkin/popup.htm Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/08/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of the new point 'n shoot digitals don't even

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 22/08/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got to get an after market screen shade. Of course they don't seem to exist for the K10d yet... Yes, but I didn't seem to need one to set the drive mode or bracketing options on my *ist D. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Times change... Digital Image Studio wrote: On 22/08/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got to get an after market screen shade. Of course they don't seem to exist for the K10d yet... Yes, but I didn't seem to need one to set the drive mode or bracketing options on

New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-20 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All is here: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200708/07-072E/index.html Will it find

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-20 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 20/08/07, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that we already know what will Sony use in their upcoming mid-end Alpha which shoould appear at the begining of september. It incorporates some very interesting noise cancelling technologies. All is here:

Re: New 12MP APS-C CMOS sensor from Sony

2007-08-20 Thread Thibouille
Interesting to me is the fact that it is a CMOS and not a CCD anymore. Seems everybody shitfs (or tries to) to CMOS. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman

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