RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-30 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Iren Henry Chu wrote: On the other hand, D-SLRs like D100 use Interline Frame Readout CCDs which are complex and very expensive to manufacture. These CCDs cannot record images in a continuous manner like the Interlaced CCD do and they needs mechanical shutters.

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-29 Thread Steve Desjardins
Thanks. You've answered many questions here, some of which I haven't asked yet. Aside from battery life, what are the advantages of the IFR CCD's? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-29 Thread Rob Studdert
On 29 Oct 2002 at 23:36, Iren Henry Chu wrote: E-10/E-20 is a completely different technology from D-SLRs like D100 or D1X. The major power consumption in digital cameras come from their image sensor and the preview/review LCD at the camera back. E-10/E-20, like other consumer DCs, use

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-29 Thread Iren Henry Chu
Dear all, Rob Studdert wrote: E-10/20 have no movie modes and can only shoot up to 4fps, they have a true optical finder however they use a splitter not a mirror like conventional SLRs. Preview is available however I seldom use it however I do occasional review and display histograms of

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-29 Thread Iren Henry Chu
Dear all, Steve Desjardins wrote: Thanks. You've answered many questions here, some of which I haven't asked yet. Aside from battery life, what are the advantages of the IFR CCD's? I want to clarify in my previous that IFR CCD would not use less power in the camera. However, it affects

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
, 2002 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I spoke to the Pentax rep. for Melbourne Australia and they have been really surprised at how well the MZ-S has sold and for a while the demand exceeded what they could supply. Regards, Paul - Original Message - From

Re[2]: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Alin Flaider
Feroze wrote: FK ...How long does FK it possibly take to bring the DSLR on the market FK when they had an almost working sample about a FK year ago. The only other explanation is that the FK first non working demo's were just that, I don't FK think they had anything concrete at that time FK and

Re: Re[2]: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Feroze Kistan
I dod not know that, thanks for the heads up Feroze - Original Message - From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re[2]: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Feroze wrote: FK ...How long does FK

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Pål Jensen wrote: My guess is that this web site, or their Pentax source, is just recirculating old images of a defunct prototype that might or might not be close

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
Someone wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Someone should tell all those big dollar pros who shot automotive location photos for the car companies. Many of

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Someone wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Michael Nosal
At 05:09 PM 10/28/02 +, you wrote: The prosumer £2000 models seem to be more 'normal' sized SLRs without the bulky vertical grip assembly below the lens. The MZ-D had an integral grip like having the BG-10 permanently attached. I don't think this makes sense for a cheaper version aimed at

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR William wrote: Absolutely. Whoever wrote that needs to give their head a shake. Nonsense. Pentax doesn't do any marketing towards professional use (or amateur for that matter). They sell

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Lon Williamson
Brad, in the field I clean my glasses a LOT more than I clean my lenses. In fact, my lenses tend to get a bit of breath before mounting, mebbe a swipe with insert your favorite lens cleaning method here once a month, and a careful sit-down cleaning about once a year or whenever the heck I feel

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Dan Scott
On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 01:11 PM, Lon Williamson wrote: Brad, in the field I clean my glasses a LOT more than I clean my lenses. In fact, my lenses tend to get a bit of breath before mounting, mebbe a swipe with insert your favorite lens cleaning method here once a month, and a

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Lon Williamson
This danged brotherhood stuff is ticking me off. I decided long ago to stick with Pentax 35mm, and you 6x7 folks just keep hurling up the big neg arguement, and I want a 6x7 but I want a 300 f4 for K mount even more. Damn, this group is expensive. Grin. -Lon Paul Stenquist wrote: Someone

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Desjardins
I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I don't think the smaller sensor makes that much of a difference. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Lon Williamson Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Brother Bruce: Repent now for Seduction Of a Pdml'er or Prepareth Yourself to Defend Wannabe Brother Lon in court when divorce #3409-b comes up for settlement. Careful Brother Bruce

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
? (This from a guy who's working now on nearly 3 months for a simple $%$ cable release. Peeved Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Brad wrote

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
It is slowly becoming the latest Optio by the time it comes out. Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR The prosumer £2000 models seem

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
anyway. -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen;sensewave.com] Sent: 28 October 2002 16:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Brad wrote: I asked this before and was told they were developed as twins, that the MZ-S

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
- Original Message - From: Michael Nosal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Why? The K-mount is the same size, the mirror box is the same size. The thing will still need plenty of battery

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
picture of new Pentax D-SLR Adding the built-in grip/battery pack to the bottom of the MZ-S adds some to the height of the MZ-D, and maybe something to the depth (but the right hand grip on the MZ-S already sticks out pretty far), but I don't think it would be significantly bigger than any

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Tim S Kemp
I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I don't think the smaller sensor makes that much of a difference. There is little reason why a DSLR would be worse for battery consumption than a digital PS, and there's no winding mechanism so there's

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Leonard Paris
of power to spare. Len --- From: Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:59:06 - I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread frank theriault
At about $300 Cdn for batteries for the N D1, no one's tossing used batteries like cigarettes. The batteries are rechargeable. Problem is, a pro out on a shoot will likely need at least two sets of batteries to get through the day. cheers, frank Brad Dobo wrote: Yup, they eat batteries

Re[2]: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Bruce Dayton
: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:59:06 - I agree. Unless Pentax makes a really dumb choice, you're gonna need a big battery pack. I don't think the smaller sensor makes that much of a difference. There is little reason why a DSLR would be worse for battery

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Brad Dobo
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR At about $300 Cdn for batteries for the N D1, no one's tossing used batteries like cigarettes. The batteries are rechargeable. Problem is, a pro out on a shoot will likely need

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Oct 2002 at 17:09, Rob Brigham wrote: The prosumer £2000 models seem to be more 'normal' sized SLRs without the bulky vertical grip assembly below the lens. The MZ-D had an integral grip like having the BG-10 permanently attached. I don't think this makes sense for a cheaper version

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Debra Wilborn
I think it's a nice design. That angled top plate reminds me of the MZ-S. Really it looks like a very fat -S. Porky digicam! Dude, it's late! __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Brad Dobo
I think it's a nice design. That angled top plate reminds me of the MZ-S. Really it looks like a very fat -S. Porky digicam! Dude, it's late! Late is not in my vocabulary. I've never messed with or held the existing DSLRs, but I've heard they are rather bulky by nature of the beast and

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Steve, on 26 Oct 02 you wrote in pentax.list: I do have a question, however. How difficult is it to use the MZ-S shape but recast it in polycarbonate? I realize that it would require new mfg lines that cast plastic instead of bend metal, screw fittings would be needed, etc., etc., but the

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Brad Dobo
Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR - a cheaper MZ-S made of polycarbonat replacing MZ-5/MZ-6 - the present MZ-S as semi-pro camera - the previous MZ-D with minor changes and the APS-sized chip

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread arkibladt
). It might be great fun to use theese on a 35mm body? I'll certainly like the latter. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Heiko Hamann [mailto:list.heiko;mycroft.de] Sendt: 27. oktober 2002 10:49 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Hi Steve, on 26 Oct 02 you

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Brad, on 27 Oct 02 you wrote in pentax.list: Of course we all are speculating, but I can see 2 of your points makes sense to me, but the description of a new MZ flagship or whatever one may call it, seems to be looking like a Nikon or Canon clone. Correct me here if I am wrong, but that

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Pål Jensen
Brad wrote: I can't see it because of that and the cost to make it happen, especially since the MZ-S was a sales flop. I've been told it has sold more than expected. I love it though, it's professional enough for me, and really, Pentax isn't in the professional business concerning 35mm,

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. Thats why the story provided by Pentax UK, all new slr's from the same chassis, makes sense. I'm not convinced the MZ-S as building block for the whole Pentax slr

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR (Expected streetprice US$1200)

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Desjardins
I admit that I've decided to put other major purchases on hold and start squirreling away spare money for a bigger purchase. If this thing is really between 1200-1500 USD, then I might very well buy one. I currently enjoy using the E-10 I have access to; this idea of a having Pentax DSLR is

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Feroze Kistan
bits Feroze - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR No problems, Brad. We (or at least I) knew what you meant first time around g. I know I've

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Doug Brewer
Of course it does. I've never had a single problem with Pentax service. DB At 9:22 PM -040010/26/02, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote, or at least typed: They don't need any fancy bugs, since Pentax service doesn't exist in North America. BR -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR (Expected streetprice US$1200)

2002-10-27 Thread James Fellows
a lot of fun with it. A APS sized DSLR would be more than adequate for us. Jim - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR (Expected streetprice US$1200) I

SV: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread arkibladt
the electronics... Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Iren Henry Chu [mailto:irenhenry;hotmail.com] Sendt: 27. oktober 2002 14:18 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Hi all This is a very long thread based on the fact, that one Taiwaneese magasine didn't have

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
When it comes to a common chassis for film and digital, I there's less here than meets the eye. Some of the major camera structures are going to be very different between the two types of cameras. There's no film transport mechanism or film plane in a digital camera, but lots more electronics.

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Wendy Beard
At 01:14 PM 27/10/2002 +0100, you wrote: Pentax isn't in the business of professional anything. They sell to whoever buys it. There's a common misconception that MF is Pentax professional line. It isn't. Pål Yes, and Fuji Canada back up Pål's statement. I finally found which of the three

Re 2: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore
So what if the MZ-S was the developing basis for new products and now will be the basis for the new chassis? I could imagine a new chassis line as follows: - a cheaper MZ-S made of polycarbonat replacing MZ-5/MZ-6 - the present MZ-S as semi-pro camera - the previous MZ-D with minor changes and

Re: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore
Bruce wrote: For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. Thats why the story provided by Pentax UK, all new slr's from the same chassis, makes sense. I'm not convinced the MZ-S as building block for the whole Pentax slr

Re: Re 2: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Kevin Waterson
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:31:36 -0500 Robert Soames Wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting speculation - thanks for the post. How many 'frames' per second can a digital do? I would have thought with the ability to do small mpeg movies the frame rate could be up to 40 fps. Kind regards

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Scott
On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 05:13 AM, arkibladt wrote: Faktor 1.5 focal means a 29mm will be like a 43mm, the normal lens. Basicly this doesn't mean very much in every day photography, but probably that Pentax will make some new widelangles, rectiliniar and fish-eye's, in the near future

Re: Re 2: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Robert, on 27 Oct 02 you wrote in pentax.list: - a cheaper MZ-S made of polycarbonat replacing MZ-5/MZ-6 - the present MZ-S as semi-pro camera - the previous MZ-D with minor changes and the APS-sized chip - a MZ-flagship as big as the MZ-D with an integrated, fast winder and This sounds

Re: SV: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Dan Scott
On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 12:39 PM, arkibladt wrote: Hi Dan Can't quite follow you.. Why is there a design diffenrence? Isn't the CCD flat or is it sfaeric or what? Please explain! Thanks Jens No problem. Picture a lens projecting light on to a 24x36 rectangle. Now picture a small

Re[2]: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Bruce Dayton
I've had reasonable results from Pentax Colorado. They have all been on current products. Perhaps keeping the old things still working is where some people have issues. Bruce Sunday, October 27, 2002, 7:14:15 AM, you wrote: DB Of course it does. I've never had a single problem with Pentax

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Pål Jensen
Robert wrote: This sounds utterly sensible to me, too (with the possible exception of the polycarbonate in the first one being maybe impossible as indicated in other threads). There's no prblem making the MZ-S with polycarbonate shell. All Canons with the exception of the EOS 1v use

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Rob Brigham
Except that we have been talking about a DSLR for half that price! Press reports $1200-$1600. Maybe at $2500 they would use the mag body, but I just don't see it at this price. -Original Message- From: Leonard Paris [mailto:kd9s;hotmail.com] I think a lower cost APS-sized, CMOS or

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Rob Brigham
somewhere else. Doesn't fill me with confidence... -Original Message- From: Leonard Paris [mailto:kd9s;hotmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2002 17:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Strange, isn't it? How something like this brings forth intricate

Re: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Desjardins
It is possible that Pentax did plan that all along, I..e, one chassis for digital and film. It would have made as much sense several years ago as it does now. Not that it would invalidate your argument. A common chassis for both media would tend to introduce compromises. It is an

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Pål Jensen wrote: My guess is that this web site, or their Pentax source, is just recirculating old images of a defunct prototype that might or might not be close to the real thing. I agree with Pål on this topic. That picture is identical in all details to MR-52 prototype of Photokina 2000

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Brad Dobo
- Original Message - From: Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR OTO I am not sure if the MZ-S is really such a flop as generally assumed. In my eyes the MZ-S is a niche product

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Brad Dobo
Hey Pål, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I've been told it has sold more than expected. Well, I really hope that is true. I'm basing my thoughts

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Brad Dobo
Group, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR The MZ-S was designed as a digital slr from ground up and later engineered into a film slr. I asked this before

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Jones
28, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Hey Pål, - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR I've been told it has sold more

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-27 Thread arkibladt
. oktober 2002 22:05 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: SV: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 12:39 PM, arkibladt wrote: Hi Dan Can't quite follow you.. Why is there a design diffenrence? Isn't the CCD flat or is it sfaeric or what? Please explain! Thanks

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
I have a different view here. When I went shopping for my digital PS, I had the money and choices of Optios to choose. I did the wise thing and thought of my needs and it's usage. That lead me to the 230 2mp. 6mp cameras were out there already, but I chose mine to suit my needs. So with a new

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 12:54 AM, Brad Dobo wrote: It looks good to me except for the lcd screen. It's going to get very smeary in very short order if that placement is what they go with. Dan Scott Just keep your nose clean ;-) I think that screen will do it for me. Dan Scott

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
(Mental note: If I meet Dan Scott in person, do not ask to try out the new Pentax DSLR) :) Brad Dobo It looks good to me except for the lcd screen. It's going to get very smeary in very short order if that placement is what they go with. Dan Scott Just keep your nose clean ;-) I

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Simon King
of new Pentax D-SLR On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Iren Henry Chu wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw http://www.photosharp.com.tw

Fwd: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Iren Henry Chu
From: Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:40:34 +0800 Note that the actual web graphic names are MZ-S digital-1, MZ-S digital-2... Maybe just stock photos they had? Simon

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR (Expected street price US$1200)

2002-10-26 Thread Iren Henry Chu
According to the report by Photosharp Taiwan, the list price of the Pentax D-SLR will be the same as Sigma SD-9, i.e. 200,000yen. They expect the street price will be around NTD40,000plus (NTD = Taiwan dollar), which is approximately about US$1200.

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Iren Henry Chu
Paal, I don't think WE said that. It was said in a press release from Pentax UK. Most of us had originally thought that the new digital was going to be a modification of the DSLR prototype shown 2 years ago. However, as I said in a previous post, Pentax reps often get the details, if not

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 03:33 AM, Brad Dobo wrote: (Mental note: If I meet Dan Scott in person, do not ask to try out the new Pentax DSLR) :) Brad Dobo Sissy. Dan Scott g

Re[2]: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Henry, That explanation makes sense to me. I, for one, would be happy to have the DSLR function and behave very similar to my MZ-S. I am happy with the interface and handling and would prefer not to learn yet another interface. Bruce Saturday, October 26, 2002, 7:44:51 AM, you wrote: IHC

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
Afterall, if both the Photosharp report and Pentax UK do not contradict with each other, that means the new chassis of SLR is in fact MZ-S and a new series of SLRs (including the flagship) will be based on MZ-S?! I just love the pictures I see of the digital MZ-S, I think it's a smart move to

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Leonard Paris
It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Len --- From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Date: Sat, 26

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Oct 2002 at 16:32, Leonard Paris wrote: It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Yes it is practically the only way that they could do it without costing themselves a bomb given the prior

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I hope it doesn't turn out to be vapor ware like the MZ-D. Rob Studdert wrote: On 26 Oct 2002 at 16:32, Leonard Paris wrote: It would greatly surprise me if Pentax didn't use as much of the original MZ-D design as they can. They already paid to engineer it. Yes it is practically the

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
Excuse my ignorance folks, but what is Rob actually talking about and more specifically, what is 'vapour ware'? Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Exclusive picture of new

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Peter Jansen
Pure speculation...wait and see... --- Iren Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
Now, if we all assume that Paal is right, and no one makes money selling DSLRs, does that mean Pentax will go broke with a sales smash? Maybe they should put a few bugs in just to be safe. BR -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:audiob;ozemail.com.au] Yes it is practically

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Cotty
I concur completely, Pal. Cotty Henry wrote: I personally still have doubts on their claim, as Paal and Cotty have both said that the new D-SLR will be based on a new SLR design. Any comments? I don't think WE said that. It was said in a press release from Pentax UK. Most of us had

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Cotty
Both the titles and content of the report indicates that these photographs are their exclusive photographs for the new D-SLR, which are supplied by their Pentax source. I have studied the pics of the Pentax DSLR on the Tawianese web site, and the pics of the original MZ-D prototype, and I have

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Cotty
Hmm. I find this difficult to believe. Pentax Taiwan releases pics of the new DSLR 'exclusively' to a web site?? I do not believe this to be true. Maybe they are claiming the pics are exclusive to them, but I seriously doubt this. Cotty Although it did not make it on time to be released

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Steve Desjardins
I can't decide on this one. The new one could be essentially identical to the MZ-D (MR-51 or whatever it was), because, well, the MZ-D was designed as a DSLR. On the other hand, it would be so easy to just stick up some old MZ-D pictures. I assume that no one has seen these particular pictures

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Pål Jensen
Henry wrote: Afterall, if both the Photosharp report and Pentax UK do not contradict with each other, that means the new chassis of SLR is in fact MZ-S and a new series of SLRs (including the flagship) will be based on MZ-S?! Actually, they do contradict one another as the UK press release

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 10:35 AM, Brad Dobo wrote: I just love the pictures I see of the digital MZ-S, I think it's a smart move to use that platform, too bad I won't buy it :) Hmm...thinking a bit more, if (as I've heard) the MZ-S was a flop as far as sales and profit, etc for

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Now, if we all assume that Paal is right, and no one makes money selling DSLRs, does that mean Pentax will go broke with a sales smash? Maybe they should put a few bugs in just

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rob Brigham
] Sent: 26 October 2002 22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Shaun Canning
;ozon.com.pl] Sent: 26 October 2002 22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Oct 2002 at 23:53, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. This is not the same lens. The one 2 years ago was FA 35/2 - here

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
You have all the right in the world to exist, but you don't because you are just anonymous bits. For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:DesJardinS;wlu.edu] Please

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Oct 2002 at 21:09, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote: For low volume production items the cost is in the tooling and setting up production, and not the materials. Apart from which even if the same moulds were able to be used to form a polycarbonate chassis most of the fastening points

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
They don't need any fancy bugs, since Pentax service doesn't exist in North America. BR -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:w_robb;accesscomm.ca] Well, they can put in sticky mirror from the LX, and dying frame counter from the ME/Super Program, and rusting ISO resistor from

RE: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Iren Henry Chu
On 26 Oct 2002 at 23:53, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Rob Brigham wrote: Come on guys, it even has the same lens mounted that it was shown 2 years ago with at the show! These are old images! The whole article is conjecture. This is not the same lens. The one 2 years ago was FA 35/2 - here

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
Unfortunately that is too correct They don't need any fancy bugs, since Pentax service doesn't exist in North America. BR

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo My conclusion is that it is a controlled leak from Pentax to lower our expectation on the so-called new chassis. MZ-S is already made from the new chassis which is

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
Sound read is it just meI just woke up...need coffee Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Brad Dobo
Argh audible swearing Should read is it just me.blah Sound read is it just meI just woke up...need coffee Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 09:12 PM, Brad Dobo wrote: Gang, is it just be or does it sound like Pentax is *beeping* us over? Ever get that used, dirty feeling? ;-) Brad Dobo Nope. Pentax didn't lure me in, I sought them out. Everything I bought new from them works as good or

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-26 Thread frank theriault
No problems, Brad. We (or at least I) knew what you meant first time around g. I know I've mentioned this before, but I just help commenting again: Man, you've got the strangest sleep patterns! I wake up and check my e-mails before I got to work in the morning, and you're posting at, like 3

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-25 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Iren Henry Chu wrote: Dear all, The Taiwanese photography website Photosharp released a number of the pictures of the new Pentax D-SLR which they obtained from Pentax: http://www.photosharp.com.tw http://www.photosharp.com.tw/what'snew.htm Those look exactly like the MZ-D pictures at

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-25 Thread Dan Scott
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 12:07 AM, Alan Chan wrote: I personally still have doubts on their claim, as Paal and Cotty have both said that the new D-SLR will be based on a new SLR design. Any comments? It would be logical to borrow the design from other MZ/ZX bodies (like MZ-L) to

Re: Exclusive picture of new Pentax D-SLR

2002-10-25 Thread Alan Chan
It won't be worthless in 6 months; large numbers of us will have to wait quite awhile to save up for new ones, so that should keep the price of used ones up for awhile. Besides, I can't see Pentax becoming one of the Body of the Month camera makers--I don't know if they have the resources,

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