Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) READ! I said BW film. Black and White! Try shooting some Tech Pan full frame with some really good lenses and find out what 35mm film is capable of. The color films you just mentioned

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) Why start digital if you never used digital before? You have to start everything at some point don't you? Never shoot BW? Oh I see, but what if you wanted to try? By selling ALL your film

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-19 Thread J. C. O'Connell
is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) Why start digital if you never used digital before? You have to start everything at some point don't you? Never shoot BW? Oh I see, but what if you wanted to try

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Jul 2004 at 17:29, Amita Guha wrote: Very true. It brought my husband back to SLR photography. He went through 3 digital PSs before buying a ZX-50, because he missed having that level of control. Problem is, he hated scanning the prints. Then the 300D came out, months before the *istD.

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-19 Thread Jens Bladt
meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2004 09:51 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) On 17 Jul 2004 at 9:34, Jens Bladt wrote: Pentax isn't Dying. Film is, increasingly slowly at some stage perhaps, but it's still going down

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Christian Skofteland
I sold ALL my film bodies (6 cameras: LX, 3x MX, P3 and SuperProgram) to buy my *ist D. I knew I'd never use film again! ;-) Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] So who here has shed their excess film bodies in view of the

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) I sold ALL my film bodies (6 cameras: LX, 3x MX, P3 and SuperProgram) to buy my *ist D. I knew I'd never use film again! ;-) Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] So who here has shed

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Then how do you do hi-res BW ? u I don't? Did I before digital? hm, nope! ;-) rhetorical question no answer expected. oops! 6MP DSLRs still cant match fine grain BW 35mm film (yet). Well it sure

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Then how do you do hi-res BW ? u I don't? Did I before digital? hm, nope! ;-) rhetorical question

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Christian Skofteland
My point JCO, is that I never shot Tech Pan before so why would I start now? And why would I compare it to the *ist D? Apples and Oranges. Even I can see that. I implied that the D replaced film *for me* and the way *I* make pictures. I make no assumptions for other people and their styles.

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Bill Owens
And I'm holding on to my MZ-S primarily for sentimental reasons. I haven't shot the first frame of film since getting the *ist D. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Film is Dying

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) My point JCO, is that I never shot Tech Pan before so why would I start now? And why would I compare it to the *ist D? Apples and Oranges. Even I can see that. I implied that the D replaced film *for me* and the way *I* make

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why start digital if you never used digital before? You have to start everything at some point don't you? huh? sure, but I have no interest in fine grained BW (see below) Never shoot BW? No, I've shot countless rolls

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Amita Guha
From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, an angle not mentioned is the renewed interest folks are having in photography generally as a result of digital- perhaps it will be the saviour of film and not the other way around... Very true. It brought my husband back to SLR

Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Jul 2004 at 9:34, Jens Bladt wrote: Pentax isn't Dying. Film is, increasingly slowly at some stage perhaps, but it's still going down. As Pentax has/had a pro-market in MF, they have to upgrade this (Hasselblad and Rollei did) or/and try to dig further into/stay alive in consumer DSLR/D

Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Malcolm Smith
Rob Studdert wrote: So who here has shed their excess film bodies in view of the pending fate of film? Not me. I have, I'm down to the smallest number of film bodies I've had for many years and I don't expect the number to ever increase either. I caught myself looking at another LX

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) On 17 Jul 2004 at 9:34, Jens Bladt wrote: Pentax isn't Dying. Film is, increasingly slowly at some stage perhaps, but it's still going down. As Pentax has/had a pro-market in MF, they have

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Jul 2004 at 14:34, Antonio Aparicio wrote: I dunno, I think film is doing fine considering. Sure a lot of people will switch to digital for the convenience factor, but it is a bit extreme to say film is dying (i.e. that it will eventually completely disappear) - the results you get

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who here has shed their excess film bodies in view of the pending fate of film? I have, I'm down to the smallest number of film bodies I've had for many years and I don't expect the number to ever increase either. On

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, graywolf wrote: Strangely, there are an increasing number of people who are moving back to film as they have discovered that their needs are not met by digital. This is my experience too. I have two (serious published amateur) photographer friends with Canon 10Ds and

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Jim Apilado
] Organization: Digital Image Studio Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:50:38 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:50:42 -0400 On 17 Jul 2004 at 9:34, Jens Bladt wrote

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread ernreed2
Antonio said: I dunno, I think film is doing fine considering. Sure a lot of people will switch to digital for the convenience factor, but it is a bit extreme to say film is dying (i.e. that it will eventually completely disappear) - the results you get from film are just too good. Anyway

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Yeah, so I here. Even at 20K a digital back still makes economical sense to the serous pro who gets through lot of film. Apparently it pays for itself in no time. A. On 17 Jul 2004, at 17:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, digital is apparently also making some inroads into the

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Jens Bladt
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2004 15:42 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) On 17 Jul 2004 at 14:34, Antonio Aparicio wrote: I dunno, I think film is doing fine considering. Sure a lot of people will switch to digital for the convenience factor

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Antonio Aparicio
and find a nwe steady level - not deissapear totally. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2004 15:42 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) On 17

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Bruce Dayton
I am down to an old ZX-10 of my wife's and an *ist film camera that my daughter uses. I don't expect to buy any other film cameras. The ZX-10 is never used. My daughter uses the *ist right now, but in the fall she is on the yearbook staff of her school - digital is how they do things now.

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread El Gringo
] Subject: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) This one time, at band camp, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who here has shed their excess film bodies in view of the pending fate of film? I have, I'm down to the smallest number of film bodies I've had for many years and I don't expect

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Keith Whaley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Jul 2004, at 16:03, Kevin Waterson apparently wrote: .. Perhaps when it reaches adultery ... Say WHAT???!! I'm not sure he meant quite that... g Sounds like Archie Bunker! keith

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Jens Bladt
://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2004 20:53 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) Also, an angle not mentioned is the renewed interest folks are having in photography generally

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Nick Clark
There's still no substitute in quality terms for projecting transparencies. Nick -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17/07/04 14:42:04 My *ist D seems to be teamed up with my Mamiya MF gear quite often but 35mm film holds little appeal for me

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps when it reaches adultery ... Say WHAT???!! I'm not sure he meant quite that... g Sounds like Archie Bunker! Actually, it was Radar O'rielly from M.A.S.H Kevin -- __

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread David Miers
: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) Also, an angle not mentioned is the renewed interest folks are having in photography generally as a result of digital- perhaps it will be the saviour of film and not the other way around... A.

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Jul 2004 at 20:53, Antonio Aparicio wrote: Also, an angle not mentioned is the renewed interest folks are having in photography generally as a result of digital- perhaps it will be the saviour of film and not the other way around... I see your point but often I expect that the

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Rob Studdert
Kevin Waterson wrote: On the contrary, I am buying up film bodies. I agree that market forces will be the demise of film. But I think film will survive, albeit on a smaller scale. Ilford are reporting an increase in sales of Black and White products. I think as the lemming consumers gobble up

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Jul 2004 at 21:04, Nick Clark wrote: There's still no substitute in quality terms for projecting transparencies. Sure but I don't project slides and if I do I can always get an 8k line slide written from any digitized image. I had a Polaroid 4k film printer for some years but sold it

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Herb Chong
is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) So who here has shed their excess film bodies in view of the pending fate of film? I have, I'm down to the smallest number of film bodies I've had for many years and I don't expect the number to ever increase either.

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Herb Chong
is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) (I'm pretty sure I read this here as well as hearing it word-of-mouth, so it should be in the archives -- anyway, some of the folks on this list are in the business and would know if that's the trend. Including at least one wedding photographer who *has

RE: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Paul Ewins
I know I should sell the LX and MZ5n, but just can't bring myself to do it. I recently shot a couple of rolls of HP5 in the MX with the 50/1.2 and the results reminded me of why I enjoy BW portraiture so much. The *ist-D is the default choice for colour. I don't expect I'll ever buy another 35mm

Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-17 Thread Bill Owens
Message - From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Film is Dying? (was Pentax is Dying?) Also, an angle not mentioned is the renewed interest folks are having in photography generally as a result of digital- perhaps