Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-10 Thread Zos Xavius
Wrong. :) http://www.jtwastronomy.com/tutorials/debayer.html On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:29 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > For demosaicing(sp???) to work, the firmware has to take into account the > color filters over each photosite. If you could remover the Bayer filter,

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-10 Thread P. J. Alling
For demosaicing(sp???) to work, the firmware has to take into account the color filters over each photosite. If you could remover the Bayer filter, (which I think is impossible, based on my knowledge of how it's applied), the camera would need completely rewritten firmware, possibly even new

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Zos Xavius
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Gonz wrote: >> >> I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have >> the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?). That would make >> for a cool B camera. don't know if the software would

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Bill
On 1/9/2017 9:53 AM, Collin B wrote: Zos said ... The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Bill
On 1/9/2017 9:09 AM, Collin B wrote: What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3? Pixel shift. And that is a biggie if you are into macro. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Larry Colen
David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've ever used. I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've > ever used. I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had > a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Gonz
haha On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Gonz wrote: >> >> Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of >> tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS. Like back in the bad ole days of >> B film. You only get that chance to get it right with

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Larry Colen
Gonz wrote: Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS. Like back in the bad ole days of B film. You only get that chance to get it right with the physical filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image. That's a big

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Gonz
Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS. Like back in the bad ole days of B film. You only get that chance to get it right with the physical filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image. That's a big negative. On Mon,

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Larry Colen
Gonz wrote: I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?). That would make for a cool B camera. don't know if the software would support this kind of image though (in raw). My understanding is that the Bayer filter is

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Gonz
I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?). That would make for a cool B camera. don't know if the software would support this kind of image though (in raw). On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Larry Colen

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

2017-01-09 Thread Larry Colen
I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've ever used. I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom. In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera. I don't know

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Larry Colen
TLDR; summary at end My plan was to go from the K-5 ii to the K-1, but due to a weird confluence of events, I ended up with both a K-3 and a K-3ii. The K-3, K-3 II and the K-1 each have advantages. In reasonable light, if you don't shoot with wide lenses, the image quality differences are

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > [...] if/when I decide to revisit APS-C, I would absolutely definitely choose > K-3 over K-3ii. > > [...] the K-3ii ditches the pop-up flash > [...] I have yet to see a reliable add-on I can use to trigger

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Zos Xavius
Sure, but with some caveats. If you have zero movement in your scene, then you are golden. If tree branches sway in the wind, water flows, grasses move, people, etc, there will be some issues. The K-1 has some software that helps with this when it processes PS files, but the k-3 never was upgraded

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Stanley Halpin
I had the K-3. I sold it (them) and moved from APS-C to the K-1. But if/when I decide to revisit APS-C, I would absolutely definitely choose K-3 over K-3ii. Two reasons. I still haven’t become convinced of any real world advantage to the pixel-shift gimmick. Second, the K-3ii ditches the

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Zos Xavius
Whoah. I never noticed that. Interesting. Their DR and noise performance is 100% identical from what I can tell. Maybe sony revised that sensor along the way. On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:46 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > The K-3II either has a different sensor or slightly

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The K-3II either has a different sensor or slightly different sensor masking, as it has a slightly higher pixel count. Not enough to, by itself, make a "real world" difference in image quality, but it's not exactly the same. Just very close in pretty much every respect. On 1/9/2017 10:49

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread P. J. Alling
For the purposes of general photography not much. On the other hand, the K-3 is actually selling for more NIB than the K-3II is where it's available*... *A phenomenon I've also noted about the K-5 vs later Pentax cameras as well. I suppose a NIB K-5 would be a nice collectors item, or not,

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Collin B
Zos said ... >The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro >tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they >put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you >didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself. Is pixel shift

Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Zos Xavius
The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself. On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM,

If I upgrade from my K5 ...

2017-01-09 Thread Collin B
What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.