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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: 8/22/2005 5:05:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
From: Shel Belinkoff
However, a lot of people have purchased the DS - including people on
this
list who had the choice between the DS and the D - and for them
I'm really not one to tread the upgrade path frequently, or take that path
without careful thought. FWIW, I still use Win 95 and Lotus 123 v2.01 (a
program I purchased in 1988 or 1989) on my old computer - works just fine
for my needs ;-)) Thanks, John
Shel
[Original Message]
From:
. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
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From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26. august 2005 08:04
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
I'm really not one to tread the upgrade path frequently, or take that path
buying and selling new bodies.
Just my 2 cents worth...!
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
I think you may
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From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
three almost indistinguishable DSLRs in production at the same time
doesn't make retailers happy. this strategy has been tried before.
I recall Canon making our life difficult with the Rebel
John Graves wrote:
I
BTW, to check your firmware version, press and hold the Menu button
while you turn the main power switch on. If you just bought the
camera and haven't uploaded the latest firmware, it's likely at
v1.00. My second body, received last week or so, was at v1.00. You
On Aug 23, 2005, at 7:11 AM, John Graves wrote:
BTW, to check your firmware version, press and hold the Menu
button while you turn the main power switch on. If you just
bought the camera and haven't uploaded the latest firmware, it's
likely at v1.00. My second body, received last week
In a message dated 8/21/2005 9:05:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As others have said, I like the idea of Pentax releasing slightly improved
models -- as long as they are working on something really substantial in
the background. If it helps keep them alive and kicking,
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To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
The sigma is GN 50m @ 100ASA, 105mm zoom reflector setting. The Pentax
one is GN 54m @ 100ASA, doesn't say what zoom thats at.
Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Also, weren't we worrying a couple months ago that the Ds was going to be
discontinued for the DL?
So far, my local retailers are quite happy with the sales of the DS
model. They haven't gotten the DL model yet, but the DS2 will be a
welcome sight in their shop.
Godfrey
On Aug 23, 2005, at 7:13 PM, Herb Chong wrote:
three almost indistinguishable DSLRs in production at the same time
Charles Robinson wrote:
Looks like the only difference in the DS2 from the DS is the larger
screen. STILL has the annoying continuous autofocus only in 'action
mode' restriction.
Luckily, it's not so. Quoting the (rather misleading) press release:
(quote)
It also offers a choice of
Another version of the press release says:
(quote)
AF-continuous available* * In the Auto Picture and Picture modes,
AF-continuous is activated only when the Action mode is selected.
(end of quote)
The meaning is the same. Continuous AF is user selectabe, unless you are
using those Picture
John Francis wrote on 22.08.05 4:53:
Personally I'm more interested in the other announcements - the
12-24 will ship in October, and there'll be a new flash with the
power of the 500, bit with all the new high-speed flash abilities.
Let's hope these two annoucements mean that *istD successor
Christian wrote:
on Pentax USA site now
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_DS2/reqID--6919574/subsection--digital_slr
Christian
What does freedom in the P... mean?
D
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Ummm ... doesn't the current DS have a 95/95 viewfinder? Doesn't it also
offer an 8 frame burst?
I suppose other differences between the DS and the DS2 will show up
considering these are early, and probably PR generated, comments.
I hope so. For some reason this release
True. It is a plus for Pentax in some ways. I'm just mildly
disappointed that this wasn't the upgrade announcement many of us have
been waiting for. Still, I'm doing fine with the D and can continue in
that fashion indefinitely. I am excited about the 12-24. Pricey, as I
expected, but it's a
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
John Francis wrote on 22.08.05 4:53:
Personally I'm more interested in the other announcements - the
12-24 will ship in October, and there'll be a new flash with the
power of the 500, bit with all the new high-speed flash abilities.
Let's hope these two
keith whaley wrote:
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Ummm ... doesn't the current DS have a 95/95 viewfinder? Doesn't it also
offer an 8 frame burst?
I suppose other differences between the DS and the DS2 will show up
considering these are early, and probably PR generated, comments.
I hope so. For
Derby Chang wrote:
Christian wrote:
on Pentax USA site now
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera--*ist_DS2/reqID--6919574/subsection--digital_slr
Christian
What does freedom in the P... mean?
D
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
Dario Bonazza wrote:
keith whaley wrote:
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Ummm ... doesn't the current DS have a 95/95 viewfinder? Doesn't it
also offer an 8 frame burst?
I suppose other differences between the DS and the DS2 will show up
considering these are early, and probably PR generated,
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote on 22.08.05 12:25:
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure
re-position the DS2 over the DL, which had surpassed the DS in these
respects. This is enough a reason for making it.
Nice little update
On 22/8/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed:
Viola, the DS2...
Also available in double bass and cello flavours.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
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Dario Bonazza wrote on 22.08.05 12:25:
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure
re-position the DS2 over the DL, which had surpassed the DS in these
respects. This is enough a reason for making it.
Nice little update I'd say. Just like N for MZ-5 :-)
--
Balance is
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure
re-position the DS2 over the DL, which had surpassed the DS in these
respects. This is enough a reason for making it.
Surely the -D needs an update a whole lot more than the Ds. I
Cotty wrote:
On 22/8/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed:
Viola, the DS2...
Also available in double bass and cello flavours.
Cheers,
Cotty
Ooops! Thanks for the proof reading, Cot ol' chum!
At first, I said, What is he talking about?
Then I saw it!
That's funny!
keith
Of course, we'd like something better. The new AF540FGZ flash can make our
good hopes grow...
Dario
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From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
where did you read about the flash???
David
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From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Of course, we'd like something better. The new AF540FGZ flash can
However, a lot of people have purchased the DS - including people on this
list who had the choice between the DS and the D - and for them, and those
who are yet to buy a DSLR, it is something better. I was about to buy a DS
- planning to do so this coming week or so - but now I'm thinking about
David Sládek wrote on 22.08.05 13:17:
where did you read about the flash???
Here, third paragraph:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_4134.html
--
Balance is the ultimate good...
Best Regards
Sylwek
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure
re-position the DS2 over the DL, which had surpassed the DS in these
respects. This is enough a reason for making it.
Nice little update I'd say. Just like N for MZ-5 :-)
I wonder if there might possibly be some internal
Fred wrote on 22.08.05 13:23:
I wonder if there might possibly be some internal electronics updating,
too. After all, dpreview.com fussed so much about the JPG quality of both
the D and the DS, right?
While there isn't a noticeable resolution advantage shooting RAW the final
image output
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
David Sládek wrote on 22.08.05 13:17:
where did you read about the flash???
Here, third paragraph:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_4134.html
--
Balance is the ultimate good
Fred wrote:
Because of its target market the *ist DS is likely to be used mostly by
people shooting JPEG, as we've demonstrated on earlier pages of this review
there's a vast difference in resolution and detail between JPEG and RAW and
it's obvious therefore that a lot of the detail captured by
On 22/8/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed:
Viola, the DS2...
Also available in double bass and cello flavours.
Cheers,
Cotty
Ooops! Thanks for the proof reading, Cot ol' chum!
At first, I said, What is he talking about?
Then I saw it!
That's funny!
Actually a digital camera
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/08/22 Mon AM 10:38:34 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Dario Bonazza wrote on 22.08.05 12:25:
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you
From: keithw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/08/22 Mon AM 10:51:34 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Derby Chang wrote:
Christian wrote:
on Pentax USA site now
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_details/digital_camera
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/08/22 Mon AM 11:20:49 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
However, a lot of people have purchased the DS - including people on this
list who had the choice between the DS and the D
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Of course, we'd like something better. The new AF540FGZ flash can make our
good hopes grow...
I was quite pleased with the announcement. But it looks very bad to me
compared with the 500. What do people think? I tend to associate
stylish, down to
even equipped with a sliding catch-light panel... It looks like a
serious flash unit!
Dario
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From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
On Mon, 22
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:55:03 -0700, keithw wrote:
Yup. It seem like it was Gotta introduce SOMEthing! Let's get to work,
folks! Viola, the DS2...
Of course, that's just a cursory view. It might end up being a worthy
addition to the previous releases, but right now nothing stands out as
You fishing for a response here.
Cotty wrote:
On 22/8/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed:
Viola, the DS2...
Also available in double bass and cello flavours.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
It's a web site, probably one and the same. It's not like you have to
be careful no real production is involved. :-\
keithw wrote:
Derby Chang wrote:
Christian wrote:
on Pentax USA site now
Perhaps Pentax has realised that the the market already is crowded
with professional level DLSR's and will focus on the segment where
the money is. Sure, they will sell a dozen D2's to the members of
this forum but that may not be worth the effort...
Just joking ;-)
Bertil
Let's hope
JCO
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From: Bertil Holmberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:48 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Perhaps Pentax has realised that the the market already is crowded
with professional level
I find the announcement exciting, even though I did just buy my
planned second body (another DS). The addition of C-AF in all
exposure modes and larger LCD are not enough to give me pause as I
only paid $579 for the DS body, where it will likely be some time
before the DS2 is available at
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote on 22.08.05 12:25:
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure
re-position the DS2 over the DL, which had surpassed the DS in these
respects. This is enough a reason for
Does this all mean that there will be no more firmware
updates/improvements for the DS.I just received my DS in time for
the annoucement. Urrrhhh.
John Graves
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Dario Bonazza wrote on
Yeah, I use the net when I can...
You fishing for a response here.
Cotty wrote:
On 22/8/05, keithw, discombobulated, unleashed:
Viola, the DS2...
Also available in double bass and cello flavours.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|
On Aug 22, 2005, at 8:28 AM, John Graves wrote:
Does this all mean that there will be no more firmware updates/
improvements for the DS.I just received my DS in time for the
annoucement. Urrrhhh.
Never never buy a camera and assume that anything further will appear
as
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 08:54:53AM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Charles Robinson wrote:
Looks like the only difference in the DS2 from the DS is the larger
screen. STILL has the annoying continuous autofocus only in 'action
mode' restriction.
Luckily, it's not so. Quoting the (rather
the digital revolution and begin on the path of never-ending upgrades
vbg I'm certainly not a modern buyer as I am contemplative and slow.
Shel
[Original Message]
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Date: 8/22/2005 5:05:06 AM
Subject: Re: Re: New Digital SLR
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 01:06:14PM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Of course, we'd like something better. The new AF540FGZ flash can make our
good hopes grow...
I was quite pleased with the announcement. But it looks very bad to me
compared
Another thread mentions the new 5D from Canon, a FF DSLR for $3300 USD.
Does anyone here really believe that Pentax can support a body that
expensive for its 35 mm lenses? Most of the Pentax users interested in
something that expensive are the 645/67 users. If this is the low end
pricewise for
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 06:00:10AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
True. It is a plus for Pentax in some ways. I'm just mildly
disappointed that this wasn't the upgrade announcement many of us have
been waiting for. Still, I'm doing fine with the D and can continue in
that fashion
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, John Francis wrote:
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 01:06:14PM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Of course, we'd like something better. The new AF540FGZ flash can make our
good hopes grow...
I was quite pleased with the announcement.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 09:23:17AM +0200, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
John Francis wrote on 22.08.05 4:53:
Personally I'm more interested in the other announcements - the
12-24 will ship in October, and there'll be a new flash with the
power of the 500, bit with all the new high-speed flash
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Aug 22, 2005, at 8:28 AM, John Graves wrote:
Does this all mean that there will be no more firmware updates/improvements
for the DS.I just received my DS in time for the annoucement.
Urrrhhh.
Never never buy a camera and assume that
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, John Francis wrote:
For me - I don't *want* the Dn too early; it will be bad enough trying
to get a new flash as well as the 12-24.
Out of curiosity, were you upgrading your film cameras as much as you
are indicating? :-)
And what is wrong about buying the Dn (say) a
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 02:12:39PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
Another thread mentions the new 5D from Canon, a FF DSLR for $3300 USD.
Does anyone here really believe that Pentax can support a body that
expensive for its 35 mm lenses? Most of the Pentax users interested in
something that
I knowI knowI am a ham and have a radio that is mostly
software. The company that did it has provided updates in the past
(added a new frequency set ) as the last update. My luck always seems
to be to buy just before something major happens. I bought my PZ-20
just after it was
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 07:26:57PM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, John Francis wrote:
For me - I don't *want* the Dn too early; it will be bad enough trying
to get a new flash as well as the 12-24.
Out of curiosity, were you upgrading your film cameras as much as
Yes,
I have taken the first few and they were simply snaps of family. I just
joined photo.net and have posted one pictures there. I guess it counts
as a PESO. Taken from East Beach in San Francisco nwith my Sigma
70-300 APO on the PZ-20
http://www.photo.net/photos/JohnGraves
John G.
On Aug 22, 2005, at 11:36 AM, John Graves wrote:
I knowI knowI am a ham and have a radio that is mostly
software. The company that did it has provided updates in the
past (added a new frequency set ) as the last update.
Rest easy, then, as the DS - DS2 is NOT a major change. Just
*ist DS2, AF540FGZ flash, shipping date for DA 12-24 F4:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_4134.html
Finally!
The moment I can afford it, the AF540FGZ will be MINE. The AF360FGZ was a
great flash, when I got the chance to use it at my brother's wedding last
february, and
John Francis wrote:
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 08:54:53AM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
Charles Robinson wrote:
Looks like the only difference in the DS2 from the DS is the larger
screen. STILL has the annoying continuous autofocus only in 'action
mode' restriction.
Luckily, it's not so. Quoting
On 22/8/05, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:
Finally!
The moment I can afford it, the AF540FGZ will be MINE. The AF360FGZ was a
great flash, when I got the chance to use it at my brother's wedding last
february, and the added features of the 540 should make it the perfect flash
for my
Maybe just shaking hands ... LOL
Shel
[Original Message]
From: Cotty
A happy Pentax customer! Can this be true? We should have him stuffed and
mounted :-)
I hope so. For some reason this release exhibits little significant
difference over the previous DS releases. According to the spec sheets.
Maybe that's just because there are so many features it's hard to
absorb and compare.
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure
Butch Black wrote:
I hope so. For some reason this release exhibits little significant
difference over the previous DS releases. According to the spec sheets.
Maybe that's just because there are so many features it's hard to
absorb and compare.
The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous
Shouldn't the be mounted and stuffed? (Yes I know, I'm
sorry.
No I'm not).
Cotty wrote:
On 22/8/05, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:
Finally!
The moment I can afford it, the AF540FGZ will be MINE. The AF360FGZ
I am not impressed with the large lcd on the back. My nose already gets
skin oil all over the smaller one on my *ist D.
More seriously, I would prefer that Pentax use the real estate for some
more and/or larger function buttons.
Joe
*ist DS2, AF540FGZ flash, shipping date for DA 12-24 F4:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_4134.html
Joe
95%/.95, 8 frame burst, BW filter, under $800WooHoo! ;-)
Don
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
*ist DS2, AF540FGZ flash, shipping
Digital SLR Products From Pentax
95%/.95, 8 frame burst, BW filter, under $800WooHoo! ;-)
Don
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
*istDS2 sounds like nothing but a minor upgrade, if that. It might even
be a downgrade based on the price. Is there anything new about it other
than the filters? Of course the 12-24 is old news. The only real news
here is the 540 flash. Is that guide number better than the Sigma
Super?
On Aug
*istDS2 sounds like nothing but a minor upgrade, if that. It might even be
a downgrade based on the price. Is there anything new about it other than
the filters?
Not a lot new really. Which makes this the fourth in a series of
confusingly similar DSLRs. Well done, Pentax :(
Of course the
Kind of reminds me of the Canon style with releasing 25 different
Rebel bodies over a 2-4 year period grin. Each one is barely an upgrade of
the previous one. What is positive about the technique is that it
allows for more press and publicity because of new models. It also
shows the company is
On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 07:54:51PM -0500, Don Sanderson wrote:
95%/.95, 8 frame burst, BW filter, under $800WooHoo! ;-)
Don
Surely that's just the same as the original DS?
Personally I'm more interested in the other announcements - the
12-24 will ship in October, and there'll be a
On Aug 21, 2005, at 19:40, Joseph Tainter wrote:
*ist DS2, AF540FGZ flash, shipping date for DA 12-24 F4:
Looks like the only difference in the DS2 from the DS is the larger
screen. STILL has the annoying continuous autofocus only in 'action
mode' restriction.
Hmm. And it appears to
Ummm ... doesn't the current DS have a 95/95 viewfinder? Doesn't it also
offer an 8 frame burst?
I suppose other differences between the DS and the DS2 will show up
considering these are early, and probably PR generated, comments.
The BW filter may be nice, but I suspect it's only a desaturated
Paul wrote:
*istDS2 sounds like nothing but a minor upgrade, if that.
It might even be a downgrade based on the price.
Is there anything new about it other than the filters?
That's exactly what it is - the DS2, a second version of the same camera.
It's got the filters and a larger LCD
At 10:58 PM 8/21/2005, Charles Robinson wrote:
Hmm. And it appears to be one ounce lighter. WTF?
-Charles
Maybe they left out the stainless steel skeleton (or parts of it)? ;-)
As others have said, I like the idea of Pentax releasing slightly improved
models -- as long as they are
- Original Message -
From: Peter Loveday
Subject: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
Not a lot new really. Which makes this the fourth in a series of
confusingly similar DSLRs. Well done, Pentax :(
It is a strategy that has served Canon well since the first Rebel film
- Original Message -
From: Don Sanderson
Subject: RE: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
95%/.95, 8 frame burst, BW filter, under $800WooHoo! ;-)
SLIMMING FILTER!!!
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