From: John Francis jo...@panix.com
What Apple's strategy is toaday may be debatable. But Steve Jobs made it
very clear that his intention was to do everything he could to bury Google.
I see the suit against Samusung as just part of this overall objective.
I agree with William Robb's
on 2012-08-27 12:16 Tom C wrote
If I understand correctly Samsung is the supplier of many of Apple's
displays. If true, where would Apple get them from if not from
Samsung? If I were Samsung, I'd consider raising the price of a
display panel to cover Apples's lawsuit if they don't win on appeal.
on 2012-08-27 12:16 Tom C wrote
If I understand correctly Samsung is the supplier of many of Apple's
displays. If true, where would Apple get them from if not from
Samsung? If I were Samsung, I'd consider raising the price of a
display panel to cover Apples's lawsuit if they don't win on
No, this suit isn't about Google. This one goes back to the late seventies when
the Apple II was being cloned by Asian manufacturers. They were fairly close to
exact knock-offs although some added an extra key to the keyboard and maybe
changed the startup ROM so that it didn't say Apple ][ when
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2012-08-27 6:19, Joseph McAllister wrote:
TS TK NOFORN.
I know what TS and NOFORN are, but what's TK?
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Tom, do you remember the iconic bluebird photo 10-15 years ago? It showed up in
calendars, posters, postcards, etc. I remember an interview with the
photographer - he earned enough from that one shot to build a home in the
woods, full studio and darkroom, etc. What if Kodak early on had said
on 2012-08-27 16:42 Tom C wrote
Assuming what you say is true then it should be all out war (and I
guess it is all out war).
it is not a normal war; it is so abnormal that there can be no all out
Apple and Samsung will do business where it is mutually beneficial, while
simultaneously hedging
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Tom, do you remember the iconic bluebird photo 10-15 years ago? It showed up
in calendars, posters, postcards, etc. I remember an
interview with the photographer - he earned enough from that one shot to
build a home in the woods, full studio
Rounded corners I think are a relatively trivial issue, though I must admit
that I am surprised to see how many non-Apple phones look so much like Apple.
You would think that other companies designers could do something other than
copy. The part I most strongly react to is the patent(s)
That is what struck me as well. Before the iPhone, there were lots of
different cell phones, and they each looked and operated differently.
Once the iPhone came out, every manufacturer simply copied the way it
looked and the way it worked.
Dan Matyola
And this is because before the iPhone, every single cellphone out
there was an utter piece of junk. Terrible UI's; hard to sync to
address books; dozens of models from each manufacturer, all different
in pointless ways. The Blackberrys could at least access email, but
they had a UI straight out of
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who says apple is the little guy? I read recently that they are now
the most valuable company of all time beating out 1999 microsoft corp.
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On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads,
Apple smart phones, Samsung TV's, Frigidaire refrigerators,,, you get
my drift, to choose from, and from what I can see that's the kind of
world Apple would like it to be.
Precedent law
On 27/08/2012 8:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
who says apple is the little guy? I read recently that they are now
the most valuable company of all time beating out 1999 microsoft corp.
That was my thought as well. When Microsoft was the big guy, the
Department of Justice went after them
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:10:17PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Daniel J. Matyola
My first computer was an Apple ][. Great computer. I loved it. I
learned Basic, Pascal, Assembler and even a bit of machine language
programing on it. It certainly wasn't plug -and-play, but it was
on 2012-08-25 15:39 Darren Addy wrote
I'm sure that most of you know that
patents exist to reward innovators and stimulate innovation, for the
good of society.
that is indeed the intent of the patent system, but most _software_ patents are
issued to large corporations and are often issued for
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On 8/25/2012 8:43 PM, Bob W wrote:
Google, the Big Man? Apple's the biggest company in the world at the
moment.
B
Let me rephrase, your honour. Google - the big man of Android
ecosystem.
Hasn't
I'm sure to be smacked for this, but I think Microsoft might be a
winner in all this. Windows 8 and it's mobile version are very
different from iOS and it's available. If Android runs into patent
issues, Win 8 is the obvious alternative.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Bob W
On 26/08/2012 6:00 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I'm sure to be smacked for this, but I think Microsoft might be a
winner in all this. Windows 8 and it's mobile version are very
different from iOS and it's available. If Android runs into patent
issues, Win 8 is the obvious alternative.
Our
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:55 PM, William Robb
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Our new smart phones at work run on Win8. So far, they seem OK.
Windows Phone 8 devices have not been released yet. Your phones
probably run Windows Phone 7 or 7.5.
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Then you and I are in complete agreement here, Stan. I don't doubt the
jury's decision or the trial itself. I simply try to look wider than
specific feud between two big companies.
I don't 100% share your sentiment about won ... through good ideas as
I am sure not all their practices were
On 8/26/2012 8:21 AM, William Robb wrote:
It's a Holy War, Boris. Apple is now the little guy whose been given a
big stick.
Well, holy or not, but layers are rational people and so are executives.
So I hope that pragmatism will play its part here.
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On 8/26/2012 8:25 AM, William Robb wrote:
Stan, I think we are just seeing history repeat itself. Apple is now the
BMOC, and they are getting pushy.
What is BMOC?
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On 8/26/2012 10:46 AM, Bob W wrote:
I doubt it. I don't think Apple gives a shit about Android. Apple is a
hardware company and is doing what it can to reduce competition in the
hardware market.
Here we seem to disagree. Apple is very much behind its IOS ecosystem
(-- rather modern term as I
From: Boris Liberman
On 8/26/2012 10:46 AM, Bob W wrote:
I doubt it. I don't think Apple gives a shit about Android. Apple is a
hardware company and is doing what it can to reduce competition in the
hardware market.
Here we seem to disagree. Apple is very much behind its IOS ecosystem
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Isn't that Windows has a recycle bin instead of trash can? That was a
long time ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy. gs
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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:16 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From:
On 26/08/2012 11:01 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:55 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
Our new smart phones at work run on Win8. So far, they seem OK.
Windows Phone 8 devices have not been released yet. Your phones
probably run Windows Phone 7 or 7.5.
On 26/08/2012 11:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 8/26/2012 8:21 AM, William Robb wrote:
It's a Holy War, Boris. Apple is now the little guy whose been given a
big stick.
Well, holy or not, but layers are rational people and so are executives.
So I hope that pragmatism will play its part here.
On 26/08/2012 11:52 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 8/26/2012 8:25 AM, William Robb wrote:
Stan, I think we are just seeing history repeat itself. Apple is now the
BMOC, and they are getting pushy.
What is BMOC?
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Danny Boy?
I only permitted my mother and my first boss out of law school, a
jolly Irish-American politician who was then the Governor, to address
me as Danny Boy. I guess when a good argument doesn't come to mind,
trying to belittle anyone who disagrees with you might seem like a
good idea.
On 8/26/2012 10:22 PM, George Sinos wrote:
Isn't that Windows has a recycle bin instead of trash can? That was a
long time ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy. gs
George Sinos
And isn't that of Windows is on the top left corner of the screen by
default and that of Mac is on the bottom right
On 8/26/2012 10:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
This isn't the first time for Apple. Does no one remember when they
tried to strangle Windoze in the crib by suing Microsoft over look and
feel of a Graphical User Interface? Not because Microsoft Windoze
looked too much like the then current Mac OS,
On 8/26/2012 10:36 PM, William Robb wrote:
Big Man On Campus
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On 8/26/2012 10:36 PM, William Robb wrote:
Lawyers are paid sharks who will find any means possible to an end that
is profitable for their client, executives are paid to protect their
corporate interests and make money (shareholder value).
Pragmatism plays a very small part in their roles.
From: steve harley
on 2012-08-24 16:52 Darren Addy wrote
Looking like a HUGE win for Apple and a huge setback for Samsung.
years of appeals will probably ensue, but the stifling effect will start now
Pretty much the way I read it.
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On 8/25/2012 1:52 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Live blogging as it is being read:
http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21356424/live-blog-verdict-apple-samsung-patent-trial
Looking like a HUGE win for Apple and a huge setback for Samsung.
No
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Boris Liberman
On 8/25/2012 1:52 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Live blogging as it is being read:
http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21356424/live-blog-verdict-
Remember long long ago? Like maybe 5 years ago? Many many different sizes and
styles of cell phones on the market. Then the iPhone came out and most other
manufactures panicked and tried to copy instead of building their own
smartphone. This series of cases is far from over, but I would hope
On 25/08/2012 11:36 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
No matter who's right and who's wrong, the end user, that is you or me
will eventually suffer the consequences...
Naively, I am wondering if having scored with Samsung, will Apple attack
the Big Man - The ElGoog?
I suspect a few of Apples patents
Using microsoft products is not much of an improvement over over two
tin cans and a string.
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For myself, I'll go back to two tin cans and a string before I buy an Apple
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Does that, in any way, apply to any electronic products apart from Pentax? :-)
Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
Using microsoft products is not much of an improvement over over two
tin cans and a string.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
For myself, I'll
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: steve harley
years of appeals will probably ensue, but the stifling effect will start
now
Pretty much the way I read it.
The stifling of patented Intellectual Property theft? I believe that
is the purpose of
Darren,
Some of us still hold a grudge on Apple.
We remember our first Apple PC's
and how everything Apple cost 2X what the IBM machines cost,
how nothing - printer, disc drives, monitors, memory had to be Apple
or it wouldn't work!
Regards, Bob S.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Darren Addy
Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
Darren,
Some of us still hold a grudge on Apple.
We remember our first Apple PC's
and how everything Apple cost 2X what the IBM machines cost,
how nothing - printer, disc drives, monitors, memory had to be Apple
or it wouldn't work!
Thanks, Bob.
My first computer was an Apple ][. Great computer. I loved it. I
learned Basic, Pascal, Assembler and even a bit of machine language
programing on it. It certainly wasn't plug -and-play, but it was
designed for computer hobbyists, and most of them loved it.
Dan Matyola
The best results would be a new batch of iPhone alternatives. Windows
8 has a very different look and the early reviews I have read are
pretty positive. I have no issues with Apple (as I type on a Mac)
but I don't like to see any company go unchallenged.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Daniel
Hell, it's not even the first one that I think I know enough about to
disagree with. Unfortunately Patent law has become less a way of
incentivise invention and more a way to bludgeon competitors into
submission. Much needs to be reformed, and it seems recently reform is
perverted so that
From: Darren Addy
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: steve harley
years of appeals will probably ensue, but the stifling effect will start
now
Pretty much the way I read it.
The stifling of patented Intellectual Property theft? I believe
That is nonsense Darren, and this case proves it.
When the iPhone first came out it was unique. All the competitors
looked different from the iPhone, and different from each other.
The iPhone (created by a corporation) was better than the others. The
proof of this is that all the other phones
From: Daniel J. Matyola
My first computer was an Apple ][. Great computer. I loved it. I
learned Basic, Pascal, Assembler and even a bit of machine language
programing on it. It certainly wasn't plug -and-play, but it was
designed for computer hobbyists, and most of them loved it.
Dan
My reply interspersed.
On 8/26/2012 12:39 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
The stifling of patented Intellectual Property theft? I believe that
is the purpose of the laws that are on the books (to prevent or at
least disincentivize that). I'm sure that most of you know that
patents exist to reward
On 8/25/2012 8:43 PM, Bob W wrote:
Google, the Big Man? Apple's the biggest company in the world at the moment.
B
Let me rephrase, your honour. Google - the big man of Android ecosystem.
Hasn't Apple set out on a lawful crusade (pun intended) to wipe off and
out the Android infidels?
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Stan, I respectfully disagree. Beside the matters of letter of law
(royalties, etc) Apple simply invented very round wheel. Thumbs up to them.
Now, in modern world innovation and true knowledge sharing exists only
personal level. Oftentimes my friends and I (not working for the same
company)
Boris, I totally agree that the patent system needs adjustment. The absurd
notion that human DNA disease-markers can be patented is an indication that the
system needs major overhaul. But in the meantime, the rules say that you
shouldn't copy others' work. Apple is the underdog here. They are
On 25/08/2012 9:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
My reply interspersed.
On 8/26/2012 12:39 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
Presumably most of you are in favor of Pentax being granted patents on
their innovations and would have an opinion if some other company
lifted them to Pentax's detriment.
On 25/08/2012 3:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Using microsoft products is not much of an improvement over over two
tin cans and a string.
Apparently you aren't all that familiar with the conversation at hand.
FYI, Samsung is using Android not Microsoft for the OS, and people who
know more
On 25/08/2012 9:50 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Let me rephrase, your honour. Google - the big man of Android ecosystem.
Hasn't Apple set out on a lawful crusade (pun intended) to wipe off and
out the Android infidels?
It's a Holy War, Boris. Apple is now the little guy whose been given a
On 25/08/2012 11:00 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
Boris, I totally agree that the patent system needs adjustment. The absurd
notion that human DNA disease-markers can be patented is an indication that the
system needs major overhaul. But in the meantime, the rules say that you
shouldn't copy others'
Live blogging as it is being read:
http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21356424/live-blog-verdict-apple-samsung-patent-trial
Looking like a HUGE win for Apple and a huge setback for Samsung.
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Thanks! That is Billion, with a B. As in a very Big deal!
stan
On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
Live blogging as it is being read:
http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21356424/live-blog-verdict-apple-samsung-patent-trial
A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon we're talking real money.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
Thanks! That is Billion, with a B. As in a very Big deal!
stan
On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
Live blogging as it is being
on 2012-08-24 16:52 Darren Addy wrote
Looking like a HUGE win for Apple and a huge setback for Samsung.
years of appeals will probably ensue, but the stifling effect will start now
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