Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-31 Thread Cory Papenfuss
As a sometimes Linux user, I agree with Cory re The Gimp. Cinepaint does do 16 bit editing but it has that Gimp interface :-( That *OLD* Gimp interface. It's got GTK-1.x interface as opposed to the Gimpe 2.x stuff with the newer. Less irritating to use and less clunky. -Cory --

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-31 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Oh, it is possible, but I seriously doubt you were using anything particularly close to a commonly-available X Server. Probably running Matrox cards with proprietary X Servers (which would be necessary to get colour management in X) or possibly a commercial X distribution in its entirety. I'm

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-29 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:58:11 -0500 (EST) Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if you start with an 8 bit image, it's best to make it 16 bit before making any adjustments--that way, you're not clamping values at each step. The original point was, there's no way to do this in Gimp.

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-29 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:07:35 +1100 Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a sometimes Linux user, I agree with Cory re The Gimp. Cinepaint does do 16 bit editing but it has that Gimp interface :-( I rather like the interface. The thing you have to understand about the interface. It

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-28 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Even if you start with an 8 bit image, it's best to make it 16 bit before making any adjustments--that way, you're not clamping values at each step. The original point was, there's no way to do this in Gimp. There is software that does do it on linux now. I would expect gimp to have it

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-28 Thread Brian Walters
As a sometimes Linux user, I agree with Cory re The Gimp. Cinepaint does do 16 bit editing but it has that Gimp interface :-( Up until recently you could also do Raw conversion and 16 bit Linux editing in Lightzone but since the upgrade to version 3 you can only download a time-limited beta.

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-25 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Brian Walters Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Actually, 16 bit editing under Linux is possible using Cinepaint. I haven't used it although I'd be prepared to give it a try if I could find

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-25 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 25, 2007 3:44 AM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Brian Walters Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Actually, 16 bit editing under Linux is possible using Cinepaint. I

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Only if you have a two bit brain... David J Brooks wrote: On Dec 25, 2007 3:44 AM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Brian Walters Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Actually, 16

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Cotty
On 23/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: HAHA invite me and some freinds along, we'll make it a gang rape. Now that is simply crude. Killfiled. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Polyhead
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:34:17 + Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: HAHA invite me and some freinds along, we'll make it a gang rape. Now that is simply crude. Killfiled. Good, no use having freinds that can't take a joke. The last

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 22, 2007 4:50 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry Dave, you can't totally convert a universal affirmative. In other words: Just because all dickheads are poor spellers doesn't mean that all poor spellers are dickheads. :) Now i feel better.:-) Dave -- PDML

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Notice that he didn't say you weren't a dickhead... David J Brooks wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 4:50 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry Dave, you can't totally convert a universal affirmative. In other words: Just because all dickheads are poor spellers doesn't mean that all

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Juan Buhler
On Dec 23, 2007 3:38 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian (which is the distro I suspect you were misspelling) is pretty unsuited for desktop use. Nice server OS though. Ubuntu is a better choice on the desktop. Yep. Ubuntu made my 2000 vintage HP laptop live again. I don't use it

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Juan Buhler Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me For those of us who want actual control over their workflow, and repeatable results from multiple printing options, Linux is Not There Yet. I do agree with that. Funny that someone who refuses

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Polyhead
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:57:19 -0800 Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2007 3:38 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian (which is the distro I suspect you were misspelling) is pretty unsuited for desktop use. Nice server OS though. Ubuntu is a better choice on the

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: From: Juan Buhler For those of us who want actual control over their workflow, and repeatable results from multiple printing options, Linux is Not There Yet. I do agree with that. Funny that someone who refuses to use a lossy compression format would process his images

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread pnstenquist
Buhler Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me For those of us who want actual control over their workflow, and repeatable results from multiple printing options, Linux is Not There Yet. I do agree with that. Funny that someone who refuses to use a lossy compression format

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me For those of us who want actual control over their workflow, and repeatable results from

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Juan Buhler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me For those of us who want actual control over their workflow, and repeatable results from multiple printing options, Linux is Not There Yet. I do agree with that. Funny

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Polyhead
it on linux now. I would expect gimp to have it soon. j (who this year got CS3 through a friend of a friend at Adobe--$60!) On Dec 24, 2007 1:41 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 24, 2007 1:43 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice that he didn't say you weren't a dickhead... Yes. Dave David J Brooks wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 4:50 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry Dave, you can't totally convert a universal affirmative. In

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Brian Walters
Actually, 16 bit editing under Linux is possible using Cinepaint. I haven't used it although I'd be prepared to give it a try if I could find a way of adequately calibrating my monitor under Linux. The brightness/contrast controls on my monitor are next to useless and the video card doesn't

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread David Savage
On Dec 25, 2007 7:38 AM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, to paranoid-neurotic compression is for losers types, whether you can *see* any difference is irrelevant. Speaking of which. Having set up my first ever killfile filter I'm quite enjoying the peace quiet. Cheers, Dave

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread David Savage
On Dec 25, 2007 8:45 AM, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: j (who this year got CS3 through a friend of a friend at Adobe--$60!) Mate, the quality of your photos is bad enough without you having to rub this kinda' stuff in. :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Brian Walters Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Actually, 16 bit editing under Linux is possible using Cinepaint. I haven't used it although I'd be prepared to give it a try if I could find a way of adequately calibrating my monitor under

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread P. J. Alling
You're more tolerant than I am, that point nearly made me barf... Juan Buhler wrote: On Dec 23, 2007 3:38 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian (which is the distro I suspect you were misspelling) is pretty unsuited for desktop use. Nice server OS though. Ubuntu is a better

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Adam Maas
On 12/24/07, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2007 3:38 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian (which is the distro I suspect you were misspelling) is pretty unsuited for desktop use. Nice server OS though. Ubuntu is a better choice on the desktop. Yep. Ubuntu made

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-24 Thread Adam Maas
, impossible in Linux. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me For those of us who want actual control over their workflow

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: How many computers do you have? I have three and there's 5 in the house. Tragic ain't it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: The Power Computing clones were far superior to ANYTHING apple ever made. The power of recognition is debatable. To interested parties, a dog turd is far superior to anything Apple ever made. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote: On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: The Power Computing clones were far superior to ANYTHING apple ever made. The power of recognition is debatable. To interested parties, a dog turd is far superior to anything Apple ever made. Well, to another dog,

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Derby Chang
keith_w wrote: Cotty wrote: On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: The Power Computing clones were far superior to ANYTHING apple ever made. The power of recognition is debatable. To interested parties, a dog turd is far superior to anything Apple ever

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Stan Halpin
I bought a couple of clones for my office - don't remember which variety. I recall a series of hardware and software incompatibilities - finally was able to dump them and go back to genuine Apple. stan On Dec 22, 2007, at 8:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The agency I worked at in he

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The agency I worked at in he eighties had a mix of Macs and Power Computing clones. The clones were always problematic, and they eventually ended up on the trash heap. it was Apple's idea to license the op sys to clones. It didn't work, and

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 23, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The agency I worked at in he eighties had a mix of Macs and Power Computing clones. The clones were always problematic, and they eventually ended up on the trash heap. it was Apple's idea to

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:53:38 -0500 (EST) Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The agency I worked at in he eighties had a mix of Macs and Power Computing clones. The clones were always problematic, and they eventually ended up on the

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
I see absolutely no point to the hackintosh stuff. It was *easy* to run Mac OS X on generic Intel PC boxes when we were building it ... I was directly involved in that project from 1999 to 2004, in various capacities ... and to anyone with good engineering skills it would not be

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Cory Papenfuss
snip very interesting insider's look at Apple history Apple hardware today is the best it's ever been and a good value for dollar. The fact that you can use it to run three operating systems (Mac OS X, Linux and Windows), all with screaming performance and high reliability, makes it

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Hey, wait a minute. JCO had a valid excuse, he was old, and flew off the handle easily... Bob W wrote: Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead. Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly? --

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 09:00:16AM -0800, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The subject of OS licensing has a long and bitterly fought history at Apple. I won't articulate my position on it as it doesn't matter at all (of course I have an opinion...), but when all is said and done, they must be

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Well he has a point. I don't know how to help you I generally avoid RSS feeds. Is there a possibility that you have a firewall enabled between you device and the source? I think that may stop the RSS cold if it's incorrectly configured. Bob W wrote: Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:19:59 -0500 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well he has a point. I don't know how to help you I generally avoid RSS feeds. Is there a possibility that you have a firewall enabled between you device and the source? I think that may stop the RSS cold if it's

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually the first attempts were in the middle ages. See how well they've done. graywolf wrote: You're just retro, Dave. Spelling wasn't standardized until 1850 or so. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Cotty wrote: I freely admit to being an idiot Mark! (I know it's quoted out of context. But hell it's fun!) Cotty wrote: On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. I freely admit to being an idiot with computers!! -- I am

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Go die of testicular cancer, you halfwit. G On Dec 23, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Polyhead wrote: [nothing of any consequence] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Not all PCs are junk. If one is handy, spec'ing out a machine and building it from quality components can result in a machine that has better performance than anything from Apple. Lots of effort, and you lose the best part of MacOS (shit

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote: On 22/12/07, Polyhead, apparently very discombobulated, unleashed: In 2002 I was working with a company called genesi on their then new Pegasus board. It was a standard MATX form PPC board with an open firmware system. During benchmarking, we found that our 500mhz g3 machine

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
John, I didn't say it did. I did say they must be doing something right, which you carefully elided in your quote. G On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:28 PM, John Francis wrote: Success in the marketplace has very little to do with product quality. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I think Microsoft is doing a great job of that themselves with the Vista release. ;-) Talking about that. Is there any way of configuring Vista to not treat the user like they have

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:21:10 -0800 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Not all PCs are junk. If one is handy, spec'ing out a machine and building it from quality components can result in a machine that has better performance than

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:19:20 -0500 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: On 22/12/07, Polyhead, apparently very discombobulated, unleashed: In 2002 I was working with a company called genesi on their then new Pegasus board. It was a standard MATX form PPC board with an

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: fuck apple Believe me, if I could, I would. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Believe me, if I could, I would. First you have to core the thing. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:28:02 -0600 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I think Microsoft is doing a great job of that themselves with the Vista release. ;-) Talking about

RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 23 December 2007 22:46 To: pentax list Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me On 23/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: fuck apple Believe me, if I could, I would

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Adam Maas
) -Adam On 12/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I think Microsoft is doing a great job of that themselves with the Vista release. ;-) Talking about that. Is there any way

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 12/23/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:28:02 -0600 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I think Microsoft is doing a great job of that themselves

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:45:57 + Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: fuck apple Believe me, if I could, I would. HAHA invite me and some freinds along, we'll make it a gang rape. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread pnstenquist
-- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/23/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:28:02 -0600 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Polyhead
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:38:07 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/23/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:28:02 -0600 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: The modern world

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread P. J. Alling
You'd get something crusty and then something else would fall off... Cotty wrote: On 23/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: fuck apple Believe me, if I could, I would. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Yes, you can turn User Account Controls off. It's what causes those warnings, and is the first thing I turn off on a Vista machine. It can be accessed via the User Accounts control panel (In Classic

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-23 Thread Adam Maas
On 12/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me Yes, you can turn User Account Controls off. It's what causes those warnings, and is the first thing I turn off on a Vista machine. It can

OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
It was so much simpler when we all had our own orchestra, and a team of relay runners to bring news of the outside world to our remote estates. Nowadays it's all RSS feeds and podcasts. I gave in to the lure of digital radio, and have bought myself a portable gadget which combines a DAB digital

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:34:30 - Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was so much simpler when we all had our own orchestra, and a team of relay runners to bring news of the outside world to our remote estates. Nowadays it's all RSS feeds and podcasts. I gave in to the lure of digital radio,

RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that? -- Bob The simplest fix for allot of issues is to not use IE. You'll fix more than piss poor way it handles rss feeds. Give yourself a break, and go download firefox. http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ You'll

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that? Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that? Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up. I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards compleint software, and get what you deserve. On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that? Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up. -- Cheers, Cotty

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:32:40 - Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that? Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up. I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. Well .. they are,

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 8:30 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards compleint software, and get what you deserve. Same can be said about choosing to use non standard web design principals. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead. Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly? -- Bob Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards compleint software, and get what you

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
No spell checker when you're a Luddite... On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead. Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly? -- Bob

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
Please don't paint the poor spellers among us (me included) with the same tainted brush as those jokers. Cheers, Dave On Dec 22, 2007 10:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No spell checker when you're a Luddite... On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great.

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Sorry Dave. I know you're not one of those folks, just a poor speller. I skipped reading and spelling, but they made me go back and learn to read. For spelling, I was lost until computers and spell checker. (Ever use a thesaurus to find links back to what you can't spell?) You know when your a

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Dave. I know you're not one of those folks, just a poor speller. I skipped reading and spelling, but they made me go back and learn to read. For spelling, I was lost until computers and spell checker. (Ever use a thesaurus

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob W wrote: Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly? As a self-righteous dickhead, I take offense at that. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. I freely admit to being an idiot with computers!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: Well .. they are, in a way... but uhh... designed for idiots that buy hype over performance. Not only do I admit to being an idiot, but I also enjoy hype over performance. My iPhone is absolute

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed: As a self-righteous dickhead, I take offense at that. :-) Damn you beat me to it Doug 8-D -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
You're just retro, Dave. Spelling wasn't standardized until 1850 or so. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- David J Brooks wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Bob

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
Because you are not 16? Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob W wrote: Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 22, 2007 12:28 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod. I know people who could help you on that. Dave Poly wanna cracker? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 23, 2007 2:51 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 12:28 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod. I know people who could help you on that. It probably needs to be done just on principal. Cheers,

RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
To: pentax list Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: Well .. they are, in a way... but uhh... designed for idiots that buy hype over performance. Not only do I admit to being

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Polyhead, apparently very discombobulated, unleashed: In 2002 I was working with a company called genesi on their then new Pegasus board. It was a standard MATX form PPC board with an open firmware system. During benchmarking, we found that our 500mhz g3 machine was 30% faster than

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:28:13 + Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots. On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed: Well .. they are, in a way... but uhh... designed for idiots that buy hype over performance. Not only do I admit to

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Dave. I know you're not one of those folks, just a poor speller. I skipped reading and spelling, but they made me go back and learn to read. For spelling, I was lost until computers and spell checker.

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Adam Maas
In 2002 Apple was shipping systems a heck of a lot faster than a 500MHz G3. You also had the advantage of much faster silicon for your north bridges as well, since you were comparing against circa-1999 designs (Plus the fact that the BW G3 had Apple's worst MB design, non-DMA Firewire and all).

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me I freely admit to being an idiot with computers!! How many computers do you have? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:07:06 + Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/12/07, Polyhead, apparently very discombobulated, unleashed: In 2002 I was working with a company called genesi on their then new Pegasus board. It was a standard MATX form PPC board with an open firmware system.

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:55:47 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2002 Apple was shipping systems a heck of a lot faster than a 500MHz G3. You also had the advantage of much faster silicon for your north bridges as well, since you were comparing against circa-1999 designs (Plus the

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread pnstenquist
The agency I worked at in he eighties had a mix of Macs and Power Computing clones. The clones were always problematic, and they eventually ended up on the trash heap. it was Apple's idea to license the op sys to clones. It didn't work, and they went back to being exclusive. Looking at the

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Adam Maas
On 12/22/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:55:47 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2002 Apple was shipping systems a heck of a lot faster than a 500MHz G3. You also had the advantage of much faster silicon for your north bridges as well, since you were

Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:14:56 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/22/07, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:55:47 -0500 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 2002 Apple was shipping systems a heck of a lot faster than a 500MHz G3. You also had the