Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-04 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/3/2007 7:52:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's take the clothes off this idea and see who gets a hard on === Never heard that one before. I think that can only be said in meetings that are all male. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Hopefully.

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-04 Thread David Savage
On 10/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/3/2007 7:52:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's take the clothes off this idea and see who gets a hard on === Never heard that one before. I think that can only be said in

RE: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-04 Thread Bob W
Let's take the clothes off this idea and see who gets a hard on === Never heard that one before. I think that can only be said in meetings that are all male. I think I got it from a Jane Austen novel, actually. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-04 Thread P. J. Alling
Obviously you've never worked with female engineers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/3/2007 7:52:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's take the clothes off this idea and see who gets a hard on === Never heard that one before. I

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread mike wilson
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/03 Wed AM 05:34:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread David Savage
At 03:57 PM 3/10/2007, mike wilson wrote: From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/03 Wed AM 05:34:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Norm Baugher
I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter. Norm Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. Touch base is my current peeve-of-the-week. Don't bring me

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson wrote: From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. Touch base is my current peeve-of-the-week. Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. If you're not part of the

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Norm Baugher
Let's reach out an communicate that so we can socialize it... Norm David Mann wrote: On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. Touch base is my current peeve-of-the-week. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Mark Roberts
Norm Baugher wrote: I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter. scribble, scribble Gotta write than one down... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

RE: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Bob W
This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. Touch base is my current peeve-of-the-week. Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the precipitate. Lead, follow, or get out of the way to

RE: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Bob W
Let's take the clothes off this idea and see who gets a hard on Let's reach out an communicate that so we can socialize it... Norm David Mann wrote: On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff.

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-03 Thread Stan Halpin
Sorry, that will never fly. Bob W wrote: Let's take the clothes off this idea and see who gets a hard on Let's reach out an communicate that so we can socialize it... Norm David Mann wrote: On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine

Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Thibouille
* DA 18-250 is official: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200783.html * Optio V10 (dunno exactly the marketing position, seems low-end to me) : http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200785.html * Optio A40: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200784.html * A note stating that

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2007-10-02, at 08:19, Thibouille wrote: * Roadmap: nothing new, really. DFA 55/2.8 for 645 Digital is still there, so they haven't butchered it, yet anyway ;-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Or they were lazy enough not to update the respective documents... ;-) On 10/2/07, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-10-02, at 08:19, Thibouille wrote: * Roadmap: nothing new, really. DFA 55/2.8 for 645 Digital is still there, so they haven't butchered it, yet anyway ;-)

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Thibouille
Indeed :) Oh and the DA55 SDM is officially F/1.4, I'm not sure it was written in the previous roadmap although it wasvery clear it a FA*85/1.4 replacement. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2007-10-02, at 08:43, Thibouille wrote: Indeed :) Oh and the DA55 SDM is officially F/1.4, I'm not sure it was written in the previous roadmap although it wasvery clear it a FA*85/1.4 replacement. It was f1.4 even on the old roadmap ;-) I hoped they disclose this time parameters of DA

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Thibouille
OK. Yeah, 35mmSDM f/1.4 would be nice but IMO it will for sure be a dual AF, other wise no fast normal for *istD serie owners. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 02.10.2007, at 09:02 , Thibouille wrote: OK. Yeah, 35mmSDM f/1.4 would be nice but IMO it will for sure be a dual AF, other wise no fast normal for *istD serie owners. No problem for me as long as it would be not that much more expensive than current FF FA 50/1.4, otherwise, they'd

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
By the way, dear Sirs and Madams, the new 18-250 zoom lens - when it will be available? I may be in dire need to buy one before my trip to Prague, where it would prove very useful along with one or two of my limited prime lenses. On 10/2/07, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Igor Roshchin
Boris, http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf (I believe, this is the roadmap being discussed, isn't it?) -- this roadmap proposes 18-250 to be available by late October 2007. I am also interested in getting this lens, - especially for the trips where I have weight and volume

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my essential kit to just five lenses - 18-250, Tamron 28-75/2.8, 31, 43, 77. Cheers! Boris On 10/2/07, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boris,

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my essential kit to just five lenses - 18-250, Tamron 28-75/2.8, 31, 43, 77. Cheers! Boris On 10/2/07, Igor

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my essential

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my essential kit to just five lenses - 18-250, Tamron 28-75/2.8, 31, 43, 77. Cheers! Boris

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my essential

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
that a 18-250 will produce better results than the 'combo kit' 18-55 + 50-200 ? Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Adam Maas
October, officially. So now. -Adam Boris Liberman wrote: By the way, dear Sirs and Madams, the new 18-250 zoom lens - when it will be available? I may be in dire need to buy one before my trip to Prague, where it would prove very useful along with one or two of my limited prime lenses.

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread mike wilson
From: Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/02 Tue AM 09:38:49 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) Regarding Image Quality, Do you think that a 18-250 will produce better results than the 'combo kit' 18-55

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Adam Maas
Thibouille wrote: * DA 18-250 is official: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200783.html * Optio V10 (dunno exactly the marketing position, seems low-end to me) : http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200785.html * Optio A40:

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Where did you find the roadmap. I couldn't find that link. Thibouille wrote: * DA 18-250 is official: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200783.html * Optio V10 (dunno exactly the marketing position, seems low-end to me) : http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2007/200785.html * Optio

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
As long as it manually focused I'd be happy. Thibouille wrote: OK. Yeah, 35mmSDM f/1.4 would be nice but IMO it will for sure be a dual AF, other wise no fast normal for *istD serie owners. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
the 'combo kit' 18-55 + 50-200 ? Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Tom C
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where did you find the roadmap. I couldn't find that link. You first need to go to the Link Roadmap. Using it you can find your way to the Roadmap. Any more questions? Oh, try your local Standard Oil station. They used to give away maps like they were

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! On 10/2/07, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it interesting how concerned you are about some other lenses covering full frame and then plan to buy this lens which does not. Care to explain? -- Bruce Bruce, I never said that my desire to have full frame lenses was absolute.

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Wise ass. Tom C wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where did you find the roadmap. I couldn't find that link. You first need to go to the Link Roadmap. Using it you can find your way to the Roadmap. Any more questions? Oh, try your local Standard Oil station. They used

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread pnstenquist
that a 18-250 will produce better results than the 'combo kit' 18-55 + 50-200 ? Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46 Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) I will have to monitor Adorama and BH very closely as I really think I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my essential kit to just five

Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/2/2007 10:31:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wise ass. === Pot/kettle. Marnie aka Doe ;-)Couldn't resist, having a bit of the w-a gene myself. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so

OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Bob W
give the same documents to the technical architect, but call them roadmaps. And so harmony was restored. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: 02 October 2007 17:23 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Press releases from

Rv: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
... (and roadmap) From: Jaume Lahuerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/02 Tue AM 09:38:49 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap) Regarding Image Quality, Do you think that a 18-250 will produce better results than the 'combo kit

Re: Rv: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread mike wilson
Jaume Lahuerta wrote: Well, for me 'better' image quality would be a mix of more: sharpness, color rendition, contrast... and less: distortions, chromatic aberrations, flare, fringing... It's said that a prime in general produces 'better' images than a zoom, and also in general, 2 short

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. snip Great story! I've worked in places like that. But in reference to Pentax there really is a difference between a plan and a roadmap. The roadmap is a *subset* of what's in the plan: The subset which

RE: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Bob W
Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. snip Great story! I've worked in places like that. But in reference to Pentax there really is a difference between a plan and a roadmap. The roadmap is a *subset* of what's in the plan: The

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Igor Roshchin
Bob W wrote: A few years ago when the word was still relatively recent as a metaphor [...] In various areas of industry, science, or technology roadmaps were defined long time ago (more than just a few years ago). E.g. semiconductor industry roadmap . Er, so how is that different from a

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread Norm Baugher
All I know is that I plan on hitting the road this weekend and I'm bringing a map Norm Igor Roshchin wrote: Bob W wrote: A few years ago when the word was still relatively recent as a metaphor [...] In various areas of industry, science, or technology roadmaps were defined

Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

2007-10-02 Thread David Mann
On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote: This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management guff. Touch base is my current peeve-of-the-week. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,