On 12/15/2013 6:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:30:15AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of
family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations.
My
On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People
can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many
Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of
On 12/16/2013 7:17 AM, John wrote:
On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People
can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many
Instagram filters in their
Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune
issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the
company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come
off as a bit defensive.
Suffice it to say that while it's
Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a
big audiophile.
So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about.
Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.]
It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch.
Good idea, but as most of the current pop stars are already androids, most of
them (at least the latest models) already have the auto-sync function built in.
- Marco
On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:
Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've
spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented
and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've
spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 04:18:18PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since
I've
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when
it's not bloody obvious.
You mean like HDR?
Yes, that's a good example.
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg
theatre
That's also a very good example, I wasn't thinking of it.
or body painting
That's strange because it works in the opposite way. Usually
Take a look at Digitech's Vocalist Live series processors or
TC-Helicon's VoiceLive series along with the Boss RC-30 Loop Station.
On 12/16/2013 2:19 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as
I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to
On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only
stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in
their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they
start
On 12/15/2013 2:19 AM, David Mann wrote:
On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much
auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many
cinematic reboots of
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of
family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations.
My family's descendents will have much more to choose from.
I take pity on Larry's descendants. ;-)
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
What isn't being said is that the lower end of the market, those who
wouldn't pay $1000 for wedding photography, or who don't need a
high-end pro to shoot portraiture, have options now. These are people
who were
On 15/12/13, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
That's not strictly the definition here, over 50% of your invoiced
income needs to be derived from photography alone to be deemed a pro.
Over here, I'm not sure if there is actually a definition.
I make my income from drawings and dividends
On 15/12/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
Some taken on Canon 1D gear, plenty on the lil Fuji
X10. It took me 6 hours to go through my li
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On 15/12/13, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
Some taken on Canon 1D gear, plenty on the lil Fuji X10. It
took me 6
hours to go through my li
...brary
I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought it
On 15/12/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought it was ...ngam collection.
Could have been my ...cking assortment.
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:30:15AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of
family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations.
My family's descendents will have much more to
On 14/12/2013 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu
I'm sure that this debate happened when the first Kodaks hit the market
and they guys using wet plates saw the end of their world.
bill
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On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/12/2013 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu
I'm sure that this debate happened when the first Kodaks hit the market and
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old
movies before they start longing for something more.
I sure hope so, at least.
-- Walt
On Dec 14, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only
stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in
their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they
start
Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu
I agree it's dead. After all, why would you take a photograph if you can just
spend 200 hours making it on an iPad?
Cheers,
—M.
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I wish the entertainment industry was listening to you, Walt.
Yonnie
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu
I agree
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old
movies before they start longing for something more.
I
Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old
movies before
On 12/14/2013 12:10 PM, Bill wrote:
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old
movies before they
Oh, maybe the folks creating the scripts could use new titles and
slightly change the names/stories so that we are given the illusion of
new. I won't hold my breath...
Yonnie
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The
On 14 Dec 2013, at 18:10, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of
On 12/14/2013 7:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/13/death-of-photography-camera-phones?CMP=fb_gu
... he not busy being born is busy dying
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On 12/14/2013 1:10 PM, Bill wrote:
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old
movies before they
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013, Bill wrote:
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt wrote:
The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can
only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram
filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old
movies before they start
Three paragraphs in and I already had a feeling of Vouja Des... Ok, not
really but photography as an art form ended when art in general ended.
About the time that Artists could buy ready mixed paints, photographers
could buy ready made film. That was pretty much the end. Everything
else
What happens if it really has all been done before?
Groundhog day - the movie !
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 14/12/2013 11:13 AM, Walt
There's some truth in the title in some areas of photography. Like the death
of stock photos and the myriad of workshops and photo tours being run by pro
photographers who use to make a living selling their images.
I don't see phone cameras as any bigger threat to photography than the
Most pro photographers never actually made a living selling their
images. Only a very few have for a very long time. IIRC to be
considered a pro you have to make what 10% or 30% of your income from
photography, I don't remember exactly, but those are the numbers that
stick in my mind. Most
I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos
isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the
hungry hoards of amateur photogs with a view to turning pro. All the
studios that I know tend to rent their gear and spaces or run
workshops more than they
Is that not pretty much the definition of a pyramid scheme?
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos
isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the
hungry hoards of
Yep, that's why I have a real job where the competition is diminishing :)
On 15 December 2013 13:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Is that not pretty much the definition of a pyramid scheme?
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree,
If someone will pay you to take photographs you are a professional
photographer.
On 12/14/2013 9:39 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
I agree, most pro photogs have to value add now, just making photos
isn't enough, there is more money in training and seminars for the
hungry hoards of amateur photogs
That's not strictly the definition here, over 50% of your invoiced
income needs to be derived from photography alone to be deemed a pro.
On 15 December 2013 14:26, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
If someone will pay you to take photographs you are a professional
photographer.
On 12/14/2013
Sounds like someone who either can't, or refuses to adapt to the
changing marketplace.
The photography business is forever changed than it was 20 years ago.
It's not coming back, and complaining won't make it happen.
What isn't being said is that the lower end of the market, those who
wouldn't
Maybe our descendents will have more or maybe not. Who is going to be
the guardian of the bits and pixels after we're gone; will they even be
readable two generations down the road. When was the last time you
(that's a collective you) made prints of those mostly banal images?
If we want
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