Re: Afghanistan thoughts

On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: I am sick and tired of folks claiming that we are considering bombing anyone back to the stone age. I frankly don't care who your smart expert is. I never asked you, personally, to care. It was a post of someone's opinion, and you're free to agree or

Re: Let's pray

Thanks Aaron. Those are my sentiments exactly. The only two people I have met from the Middle East (from Iran and Iraq respectively) were very pleasant, decent human beings. Well, I thought that anyway until one of them (my ex) broke my heart. But he is still not the sort of person to kill anyone

Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

Tom wrote: Well, I am the one who said you are full of shit. I don't have to prove that as you do a much better job of it than I could with every one of your anti-American posts. Some Americans, one of them you, Tom., do seem to have a great problem, which must make life very difficult for

Re: Silent Lenses

What's with this obsession with digital? I showed my flatmate my new LX. He said I shouldn't have wasted my money. He said I already have a camera (my MZ-30), and I should have got a digital so that I can manipulate the images on my computer. I don't want digital. I bought an LX because

Vs: Editorial

The Chechen terrorists allegedly blew up a couple of high rise apartment houses in Russia some years back and that triggered the current conflict. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Robert

Vs: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

The intelligent expressions you use indicate that you have no respect for anything. Also Lasse has used this kind of expressions earlier and I did not approve them then either. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen

Vs: Vs: OT. WTC - Why no helicopters?

Sure - they can be a couple of hundred miles per hour - but were they? No attempt was made, no measurements either. Result: none we rescued. How much experience do you have about helicopters? Actually there were a couple of small helicopters flying around but they seemed to belong to the

Vs: Afghanistan thoughts

I think everybody should read this. It is an accurate description of what Afghanistan now is. The reason given for this horrible destruction in USA seems to be right, too. Only one thing must be added: there is an opposition to Taleban and it controls 5% of the area. That`s not much but it

Re: OT- let's pray 2-

Gee, you hold a grudge a long time :) --- Scooterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just like to see it taken to it's most extreme conclusion salt the earth (as the Egyptians did to a N. African country over 3,000 years ago). __ Terrorist

Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely

Jody writes: Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists level? How is this going to help? Surely enough innocent people have died. I don't generally condone violence either but I do believe that when you talk to someone you should speak their language, otherwise they just won't

Re: Afghanistan thoughts

On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: Your complaint is fair, and I'm the one who should read more closely. I was wrong, and caustic in the process and I'm sorry. S'ok. My reply could have nicer, too. Seems that a lot of us have been on edge lately, which is understandable. chris - This

Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely

Well said Jody. Regards Nenad West Australia - Original Message - From: Jody [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely Too bad about the millions of innocent people whose only crime was being born

Re: Vs: Editorial

Raimo Korhonen wrote: The Chechen terrorists allegedly blew up a couple of high rise apartment houses in Russia some years back and that triggered the current conflict. Be aware that many Russians -- including a number of my friends -- suspect that their own authorities (probably FSB,

Re: Afghanistan thoughts

In a message dated 9/15/2001 8:52:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Bob Blakely wrote: Your complaint is fair, and I'm the one who should read more closely. I was wrong, and caustic in the process and I'm sorry. S'ok. My reply could

Re: On a completely different tack - My first LX.

Surely you mean 1/5 second (or 1/2 second if it's a winder). Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble is - with the drive attached, it's all over in a few seconds... Ouch. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe,

Re: OT- let's pray 2-

Then let's just ignore them Dan Aaron Reynolds wrote: Actually, Scoot's posts call for the death of everyone in the country, followed by the salting of the soil so that nothing will ever grow there. I believe that his posts are what everyone is getting worked up about. -- Daniel J.

Re: Mindless Chitchat

At 08:05 AM 9/15/2001 -0500, you wrote: That's a beautiful portrait up this week--natural and unaffected, which I usually like. And whatever lens made that is one very nice lens IMHO. Was that your 85mm? Thanks for the compliment...I think I used the 77 for that one. tv - This message is from

Re: PUG Stuff

William Robb wrote: Please note, the deadline for the October gallery approacheth rapidly. Is it the 20th? -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com

Re: When was the last time?

Mike Johnston wrote: Speaking of history, Bob, do you know the last time five thousand or more U.S. citizens died on North American soil? Do not know, and a quick web search did not turn up much. We will have to rely on the American history buffs for the answer. :) Bob Harris - This

Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

Lasse: If that's not sufficient warning, I don't know what would be. Obvioulsy, nothing would satisfy you, not even giving the time, date and flight plan of the incoming plane, so they could shoot it down. You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it. I still

Re: Picture of the Week

Hi Paul ... This is a pretty picture ... and a pretty humdrum picture. Often breaking the rule of thirds can contribute to something pretty interesting, but running the horizon right through the middle of this scene reduces any interest here. The left side shows considerable light fall off,

RE: That professional thing again

I like the IRS approach. If you make a profit you can call it a business. Otherwise it is a hobby. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:That professional thing again

Re: OT. WTC - Why no helicopters?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had a discussion with a friend about this. She said that someone must be censoring what airs on tv very carefully, because of course there must be bodies and body parts in the rubble, and I haven't seen ANY of that since this started. - I wonder about the

Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely

Jody wrote: [snip] Why does America insist on sinking to the terrorists level? I think that is not the case -- at least not yet -- and I hope our response will be carefully designed to minimize the numbers of innocent victims. You have to differentiate between America and some Americans

Re: That professional thing again

Kevin Thornsberry wrote: I like the IRS approach. If you make a profit you can call it a business. Otherwise it is a hobby. That's not quite true. A business can lose money and still be a busines. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss

Re: When was the last time?

Civil war. Even the 1906 San Francisco quake was not as devastating to life (Official 700, 2100-2800 actual best estimate, including from the fires that followed). Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave

Re: Portra 400 BW

At 03:05 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, Jim wrote: Just bought my first roll of Portra film this evening, and plan to have fun with it over the next couple of days! Any of you use it? (I assume so...) The only people I know shooting it are wedding guys. Apparently it gives nice proofs. tv - This

Re: Picture of the Week

A gorgeous scene - and your colors came out so well! Maris - Original Message - From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Picture of the Week | Hi, | | Here is my picture of the week. | I was on holidays last week so

Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Lasse: ... You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it.] Dan: I have disagreed with Lasse on some of his posts, but have not read into them that attitude. I don't think that is his intent at all. Re: the use of the A-bomb to end the war.

Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely

Jody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad about the millions of innocent people whose only crime was being born into the same country as a handful of terrorists. And then there are the survivors. No sanitary hospitals for them to go into, as there would be if they lived in the US. They will be left

Re: Tamron 28-105 Lens.

Jim Moniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was shown this lens today and fell in love! I'm doomed to buy it in a month or two! I know this has probably been talked about already, but do any of you have it, and if so, how do you like it? Jim Which one? The 28-105/2.8? or the 28-105/4.0-5.6? (I don't

Re: OT-gas

Frank Theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scooterman wrote: looks like we're just gonna have to agree that we disagree Frank T. I'd say that's a fair comment! You wanna pay $4 for a gallon, go for it. I don't own a car. I really don't care how much gas costs. I'd happily pay $4.00 per

Re: Thanks to Lasse Karlsson

Nenad, As a US citizen with many friends in the military, I wish sending in ground troops would not be needed but in this case you are correct. The ONLY way to be positive the job is done and not cause indiscriminate death is with ground troops. This will still entail loss of life on both side.

OT: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood

Hi - Does anyone on the list use the Contax G-series camera, and have the dedicated hood for the 90mm lens (the GG-3)? If so, could you tell me how long the hood is? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to

Re: Look at this auction!

At 05:50 PM 9/14/01 -0700, you wrote: Hey Folks, The BIN price is completely ridiculous: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1275200666 My thought is that they might have made a typo and it should have been $99.95. However that seems pretty low. Anyone interested in the

Re: OT-gas

Mark Roberts wrote: I'd happily pay $4.00 per gallon for gasoline if I knew none of it went into the pocket of Ben Laden (which isn't the case now: that's where he made the money that finances his operations). Well, actually he inherited a fortune from his father, who owned the largest

Re: Thanks to Lasse Karlsson

JeffW. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a US citizen with many friends in the military, I wish sending in ground troops would not be needed but in this case you are correct. Check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1544000/1544821.stm - This message is from the

Heaven, etc.

I was being sarcastic. --Mike If you believe in a heaven and a hell can you possibly believe that these murderous scum will go to heaven. I cannot abide by a heaven that would take them. Straight to to pit with them, I hope. Regards, Anthony Farr - This message is from the

Falwell is SICK

See below for some remarkable comments he and a colleague made on television, as reported in the Washington Post. excerpt from news story _ God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of

Re: Picture of the Week

Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Paul ... This is a pretty picture ... and a pretty humdrum picture. Often breaking the rule of thirds can contribute to something pretty interesting, but running the horizon right through the middle of this scene reduces any interest here. Shel, I think it is

Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely

Mark Roberts wrote: A military attack won't teach them anything they don't already know. I hope we do find a way of becoming their teachers. And not their students. Well said, Mark, well said. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to

Re: OT-gas

Mark R. wrote: Partly as a result of this week's attack, my S.O. and have decided that our next car will be a gasoline-electric hybrid. When a practical car that doesn't use gasoline at all becomes available we'll get one of those. I'm going to buy a bicycle and start using it to travel to

Re: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood

Shel, I do not have the 90mm any longer but I do recall that the size of the shade was between approximately 1.5 long. Joseph Codispoti ClearSight USA P.O. Box 150, San Luis Obispo, CA 93406 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clearsightusa.com - Original Message -

Re: Contax GG-3 Lens Hood

Hi Joe ... Surprised to see you here on the Pentax list, but I'm glad you are. Thanks for the information. I found a local shop that has one so I'll check out the exact measurements, although your figure compares pretty well with Joseph Yao's figure of 1.33. The hood, BTW, is for the 90mm

September PUG from Cotty

I finally got to sit down and go through the September PUG. Another fascinating collection as usual! There wasn't one image that I didn't spend at least a few moments on, others considerably more. Once again, all were lovely pictures, but here's a list of the ones that caught my eye for

Re: When was the last time?

Try Vicksburg. 20,000 dead. I'm not sure about the _last_ one, but Antietam was the _worst_ one day. For the last, Spottsylvania is a good approximation. I'd have to get out the reference books to be sure. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To

Re: PUG Stuff

- Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: PUG Stuff Please note, the deadline for the October gallery approacheth rapidly. Is it the 20th? It is. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and

Re: Portra 400 BW

I have used Portra quite extensively. Usually the 160 variety. It is a portrait and people film and works very well when low contrast is desired. This is not a film to go out and shoot scenics with. Used for the right subject and you will really like it. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA -

Re: September PUG from Cotty

- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: September PUG from Cotty I finally got to sit down and go through the September PUG. Another fascinating collection as usual! There wasn't one image that I didn't spend at least a few moments on, others considerably more. Once again, all

RE: Picture of the Week

-Original Message- From: Paul Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hi, Here is my picture of the week. I was on holidays last week so i didnt post week 6 on the list, but its there. As usual comments are welcomed. Beautiful! Christian Skofteland - This message is from the

Re: An apology to Lasse

Tom R.: wrote: Upon considering your last post, I apologise for my attitude. Apologies accepted. Apparently you were just being pedantic, but you came across as uncaring. Maybe you could be more careful how you say things in the future Maybe you could be more careful how you say things in

Re: OT-gas

From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. I still refuse to buy Exxon gasoline because of the Exxon Valdez incident. I don't care if my actions have no effect; I decided long ago that I'm not giving my money to those idiots, and that's all there is to it. Hey Mike, I'm with you on the

Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

Dan M. wrote: You want to believe the US is evil, and no one will talk you out of it. I still invite you to read Flags of our Fathers or one of the other good accounts of the battles at the end of the Pacific war, before you declare, from a safe distance, that the US should have acted

Vs: Massive Attack Seems Likely

Let´s hope so - and in his first statements your president seemed to know the difference between justice and revenge. I hope he still does. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Bob Blakely

Vs: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

Nope - the Japanese could not shoot down a B29 flying at high altitude - but I think that this thread leads into nowhere. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were different things altogether compared with this - well... calculated massacre of innocent people. All the best! Raimo Personal photography

Vs: PUG Stuff

What´s the theme for October? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note, the deadline for the October gallery approacheth rapidly. Is it the 20th?

Vs: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

You can disagree with Lasse if you wish - it was he who brought the facts in the discussion about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But this thread leads to nowhere... It is history, now it is the present tense. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at

Re: Focsing screens interchangeability

You should be careful in mixing focussing screens from different cameras.  Just  because it fits in the space does not mean it is good for that camera.  At one time, I had both an Olympus OM-1 and a Pentax MX.  Believe it or not, the screen in the Olympus is the same size as the Pentax, and fits

Heard's Birds of Prey Festival pix

Hey, attended the Birds of Prey festival in McKinney, TX, today. Saw one other guy with a ZX-7 but I never did talk to him. I wasn't there long before it started pouring so I didn't shoot much, but you can see the pix I'll be sending to McKinney's daily paper at my personal website.

Re: Picture of the Week

Ann Sanfedele wrote: Shel, I think it is more than that. It reminds me of the colorists of the 60's - Kenneth Noland, for one. The horizon is a bit above center to my eyes, too. I think it is a nice straightforward wouldn't you like to be here shot on one level and a study of color on

Wrightfoto Photo of the Week (Attack Tribute)

This week's photo of the week at wrightfoto.com is a special tribute to the unspeakable tradgedy that occured this past Tuesday. Comments always welcome. Nick Wright http://wrightfoto.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow

RE: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6

Hi Peter: I have the RMC 400/5.6, in bayonet mount, so probably a little later than the one you are thinking of. It's big, heavy, built like a tank and has excellent resolution, even wide open, in the centre. Unfortunately, mine does not have a tripod collar, which can be a problem. I would

Re: OT - ... Headline News

Ok, ok, ok we'll leave the salt at home. Scheesh When we get done occupying Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran (for good measure) you probably won't have to worry about buying EXXON or MOBIL gasoline... it'll be the New America Brand. Headlines from the not-to-distant future... The former

Pentax MX on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1275200666 Is it just me, or is this BIN price absolutely crazy?-- --- Rex Probert [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to

RE: Silicon Film Suspends Operations

It's a shame to see a good idea go down the pan. I wonder if somebody else might buy the patents and take it forward. Regards, /\/\ick... ++ __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/

Too Bad Falwell Wasn't In WTC

As many Americans have known for years, extreme religious fundmentalists that think they speak for god and that their religions are more important than people's human rights, are truly the greatest evil on earth. Fundamentalist Chrilstians, Jews and Muslims are all bascially the same evil in

RE: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6

Hi John Thanks for the info. It looks good through the viewfinder, but the proof will be in the photos. It is all metal, and as you say, built like a tank. I figured that at the price it wasn't worth haggling. One of the US mail order places still has it listed for $250 US. By the way, I got

RE: Silicon Film Suspends Operations

On Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:43:59 -0400, Mick Maguire wrote: [...] Silicon Film company [...] seek bankruptcy protection. It's a shame to see a good idea go down the pan. I wonder if somebody else might buy the patents and take it forward. I doubt it. Digital technologies are progressing much

RE: images of the WTC

I can't remember but I think I used an orange filter on that one. Or maybe it was the red one. I should have taken notes. I also had the ISO set on 200 when I was shooting 400 and I forgot to have the lab push it, so I darkened it in Photoshop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2.

Actually, the suggestion is a good one. I don't see your point, Lasse. Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and

Re: That professional thing again

At 08:06 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: Kevin Thornsberry wrote: I like the IRS approach. If you make a profit you can call it a business. Otherwise it is a hobby. That's not quite true. A business can lose money and still be a busines. Thank god. tv - This message is from the

Pentax Focusing Screens

Are the Pentax focusing screens interchangable between bodies...for example, can I put a MX/LX focusing screen in an MZ-S? What about a PZ-1p? Also, What screens are available for the MZ-S, and where can I get info on them? Thanks, Scott __

Re: Pentax MX on ebay

On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Rex Probert wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1275200666 Is it just me, or is this BIN price absolutely crazy?-- It's pretty high, and I doubt that it's a mistake. They've probably seen what some collectors are starting to pay for Pentax

Re: Portra 400 BW

At 10:44 AM 9/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: I have used Portra quite extensively. Usually the 160 variety. I had assumed from the subject he was asking about Portra BW. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions.

Photos to show you incl one of a list member

I live about a 30 minute walk from the WTC. I have before pictures, many, I plan to use one of those for the November PUG, but here are 12 pictures from the last week. None of them are of the disaster site itself except in the distance. Doing this small page helped me keep myself together.

PUG Sruff

The problems at Øskne.net seem resolved, the auto PUG is working again. Get those submissions in!!! William Robb PUG Gallery Maintainer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax

Re: images of the WTC

Pulling TX is common, actually. Doesn't look like you used the red filter, I would have guessed yellow. My before pictures are months if not years old. Very sad to look at it. Looks like you didn't use a polarizer on the color one - true? After shots from that spot would be stirring... and