-Original Message-
From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/brooks/after/brooks-418.htm
Where did that highlight come from on the guy of right hand side?
He was wearing funny glasses.
Actually, it's a Damned Exit Sign, bane of wedding photographers
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
There were no *ist D's for sale Sept. 1, 2003. Whatever verbiage was
exchanged was an attempt to define the concept of for
sale. Pentax still
hasen't moved it into the sales channel.
I don't know what a sales
Dave wrote:
you go training, you use nothing but a 135mm and take nothing but
details... How about Sunday 28 Sept? (My birthday by the way...)
Its mine too.
What say all those who were born on Sept 28 take out a 135 and shoot a
train/RR shot on said day and post there results.Yes no???
Collin R Brendemuehl wrote:
Talked to Cord sales today.
They're chomping at the bit for it.
They know it'll kill the 10D, istD, D100
but they don't care.
[etc]
A colleague of mine recently spent a week in China on business. While
stopping over in Singapore he went looking for a Nikon DSLR
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Bojidar Dimitrov wrote:
Hello Kostas,
I am trying to understand what it will take so as to enable an MZ-5n
(or and MZ bar the MZ-S) to do contrast-control-sync flash.
Could not find anything on Boj's site or on the Pentax UK/US sites.
It's there. Go to the Flashes
I am tempted to buy a used Canon 28-135 IS and borrow a Canon but before
I do so I wish to hear your opinions whether this is a stupid idea.
I have been doing bounce flash indoors a lot using a shoe-mounted flash.
I started out with f/5.6 at 1/30 on ISO 800 film rated at 400 or 500,
and got
Hi Gang,
I've been surfing for a case for my LX; an Asahi genuine everready style
case that screws into the tripod screw would be my preference, but I think
that might be next to impossible to find. I have no experience with any of
the zing or other generic one size fits most types.
Can anyone
As someone who is (or was) new to this list and who was shown some of the
ropes of this list, I think it would be a fine idea if some guidelines were
published to avoid having a repeat of what happened to me. No doubt during
the years more unwritten guidelines have developed. Just as many lists
Rules? There are no rules! As has often been pointed out, this is an
unmoderated list. What passes for accepted practices, more often than
not, depends on who is on the field ( as opposed to the bench,
bleachers, etc.) and for the most part the e-bay shuffle played here
--- when its not
Hi,
a theoretical physicist* called Ralf Stubner used to be a regular
here, and once a month he sent out a message containing this:
http://www.tfkp.physik.uni-erlangen.de/~ralf/photo/PDML/Welcome.html
It has fallen into disrepair, but something similar could be quite
useful either as a page on
Lovely! Enjoy...
keith
Stan Halpin wrote:
I am headed to Sweden. A five day meeting, I am arriving three days early,
then staying four days after. My first time in that corner of the world...
Stan
on 9/13/03 10:35 AM, Keith Whaley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Stan,
If you
Dave wrote:
you go training, you use nothing but a 135mm and take nothing but
details... How about Sunday 28 Sept? (My birthday by the way...)
Its mine too.
What say all those who were born on Sept 28 take out a 135 and shoot a
train/RR
I don't think anyone disputes her well-honed skills as a cinematographer.
Nor is there any dispute that she was one of the top, believing, Nazi propagandists...
keith whaley
Sid Barras wrote:
I thought it would be good to stir up some non-*istD controversy--
And what better person to
You're right, Sid,
What's not controversial about her is her skill and innovation as a filmaker.
Beyond that, I don't know what to think.
She claimed never to have been a party member. Claimed that in her later years
at least, she didn't subscribe to Nazi politics or policy. Claimed that she
Paul Ewins wrote:
If I
used a 105mm lens with one of the cheap flashes with a fixed 35mm
coverage then most of the power of the flash would be used
illuminating things outside the actual photo!
Which might not be that wrong. When zooming the flash one gaines a longer
reach fot illumination -
A good answer, Bob.
It's been a little while since i've seen the link referred to. It is
useful for old timers to review once in a while, as well... g
keith whaley
Bob Walkden wrote:
Hi,
a theoretical physicist* called Ralf Stubner used to be a regular
here, and once a month he sent out
Well said, Frank.
keith whaley
frank theriault wrote:
You're right, Sid,
What's not controversial about her is her skill and innovation as a filmaker.
Beyond that, I don't know what to think.
She claimed never to have been a party member. Claimed that in her later years
at least, she
Claim a roll of Kodak:
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/wrt/campaigns/
GC00094/entry.jhtml
Cheers,
Cotty
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Hans Beumer wrote:
With that vivitar macro converter, do you get a double focus-mechanisme,
(one on the lens, and one on the converter) or just focus on the lens?
I suggest that you pre-focus the lens and set the vivitar extension so they
give you the magnification that you want and then do
It's for UK residents only...
:-)
Paul Delcour
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:37:52 +0100
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Free film
Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:38:02 -0400
Yeah, Cotty,
The days of the Empire are long over...
vbg
cheers,
frank
Paul Delcour wrote:
It's for UK residents only...
:-)
Paul Delcour
--
Honour - that virtue of the unjust!
-Albert Camus
It looks to me like Tom won the bet.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message -
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: *ist D delayed again
This is a tricky one!
I was gonna stay out, but I
On the other hand, as the Royal Mail still forwards my mail to the
Netherlands, I will request it. Thanks Cotty!
Frits
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 14:36, frank theriault wrote:
Yeah, Cotty,
The days of the Empire are long over...
vbg
cheers,
frank
Paul Delcour wrote:
It's for UK
As someone who is (or was) new to this list and who was shown some of the
ropes of this list, I think it would be a fine idea if some guidelines were
published to avoid having a repeat of what happened to me. No doubt during
the years more unwritten guidelines have developed. Just as many lists
Bill wrote:
Pentax SF10
WR I have no idea if the AF360FGZ is compatable with that camera or not. At
WR some point, Pentax went with full digital flash to camera communication, so
According to the 360FGZ manual it is. It sports all modes except for
high speed sync and wireless control, just
Bo-Ming,
You might want to try the contrast control function with one 360FGZ
wireless unit, if you need that uniform lighting in depth. Also, I
don't know what camera you are using, but note that MZ-S and later
bodies do a much better job of flash metering with their P-TTL mode.
tv,
I'd be interested in knowing the technique with which you took those
two photos. I can't figure it out with my own sloth-like brain.
IL Bill
tom wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.bigdayphoto.com/brooks/after/brooks-418.htm
Ambient exposure set manually at 1/8 sec and f/4.5 at approx. 26mm.
Flash bounced off ceiling to expose foreground subjects properly.
The flash froze the subjects, but the long shutter speed introduced
trailing, and opened up and blurred the background. I don't think I
was consciously trying to
Hi Frank,
that's exactly my point of view!
Best Regards
Rolf
Frank wrote:
You're right, Sid,
What's not controversial about her is her skill and innovation as a filmaker.
Beyond that, I don't know what to think.
She claimed never to have been a party member. Claimed that in her later years
at
She was an enogma to be sure. She was a great filmaker and photographer to
be
sure (her still photographs of the '36 Olympics are amazing). I personally
think that her personal politics were much more in line with Nazi-ism than she
ever let on after the war. Rightly or wrongly, that feeling
Then maybe the Pentax reps won't look like a collection of Maytag repair
men.
BR
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's new. Pentax USA has been saying that for months. I figure the delay
will not go past October's end since that's the Javit's Show.
In this part of the world that is taking an order. A sale is a transaction
that results in the exchange of good/services for something of value.
BR
From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The *ist D was actually being sold on sept 1 - dealers were selling it,
even if they could not supply it yet.
Its mine too.
What say all those who were born on Sept 28 take out a 135 and shoot a
train/RR shot on
said day and post there results.Yes no???
Dave
Weird. My birthday is the 29th. Unfortunately there are few trains around
here.
Marnie aka Doe :-) Which is besides the point because I don't
Good thoughts. By the way, I'm pushed for time today, but did I miss
the e-bay prohibitions in this document :-\ .
Have a great day.
Otis Wright.
Bob Walkden wrote:
Hi,
a theoretical physicist* called Ralf Stubner used to be a regular
here, and once a month he sent out a message containing
Seems sensible. Time for me to head back to the bleachers. Enjoy.
Otis Wright
Cotty wrote:
As someone who is (or was) new to this list and who was shown some of the
ropes of this list, I think it would be a fine idea if some guidelines were
published to avoid having a repeat of what happened
Bob Walkden wrote:
Hi,
a theoretical physicist* called Ralf Stubner used to be a regular
here, and once a month he sent out a message containing this:
http://www.tfkp.physik.uni-erlangen.de/~ralf/photo/PDML/Welcome.html
If this was expanded a little to mention the general consensus ban on
SL might be my favorite, has BEST finder...
I unserstand it is because there is no needle that enters the field,
or is the finder optically different?
but theres no DOF switch for non pentax lenses without the
A/M switch.
The well-regarded EBC-Fujinon and the also well-regarded Mamiya SX
(that
I actually just would like to use the tele converter function, since I've
got a A 100mm/4 macro-lens. So the macro-function is just an extra.
greetings, Hans B.
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: zondag 14 september 2003 15:03
Aan: [EMAIL
I find my level of tolerance towards others is in proportion to the amount
of dust and noise emanating from the bloody quarry next door. Last week I
even shouted at my little dog when she asked to go downstairs to pee; she
can come up alone, but has to be carried down.
The more trivial the
Hi, Tom,
I mostly agree with you, except I don't think my commentary was political in any way.
But, as far as guilt by association, one must consider who she apparently associated
with. The higher up and more influential the persons she associated with, the more
she's liable to be thought of as
Hi all,
it looks like I do not have permission to post any sample images from
the *ist D. Not until I get a real retail body.
Still, I can assure you that the camera is very nice and ergonomic, and
seems to be worth the wait. The JPGs look good, with a very light blue
tint. The JPGs are
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ambient exposure set manually at 1/8 sec and f/4.5 at approx. 26mm.
Flash bounced off ceiling to expose foreground subjects properly.
The flash froze the subjects, but the long shutter speed introduced
trailing, and opened up and blurred the background. I don't think
Hi all,
Amazing butterfly pics with FA*200/2.8
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~ikephoto/index.htm
Cheers,
Ken
I periodically think, why don't I volunteer to do something like that?
Then I realize this list has gone on for years as one of the nicest ones
on the net with out such. In many ways written rules (whether the are
called FAQ or guidelines)limit a list.
This list is constantly evolving, it has
Hello Hans ,
if you haven't got one, I could sell a Pentax T6-2x to you. I found that in
reality I do not take pictures with more than 200mm so I am not in need for
it any more.
Please email me oof the list.
Best regards
Bernd
---original massage-
From: Hans Beumer
It is the old 1 over a + b + c type thing. The overall resolutions is
going to be less than the lowest resolution of all the things imvolved.
Lens, film, chemistry, paper, scanner, whatever. It can not be any
better than the worse thing in the line up.
---
Anders Hultman wrote:
Bob Blakely:
50mm is the normal lens for 135 cameras simply because that is what
Barnack used on the first Leica.
The real reason something approximating the diaagonal of the the
negative was originally chosen as the normal lens was simply because
that was the cheapest lens that would give satisfactory
Anders Hultman wrote:
Keith Whaley:
Very simply stated,
[...]
Simple, huh? g
Kinda simple... I've long known that 50mm is considered normal or
standard but not really why that was so. It's because it matches
the film size, then?
Closely matches, anyhow. The best fit is, of
I am very glad she made Triumph of the Will, it was only by viewing it in a
college film class (many long years ago) that I came close to understanding the
charisma that that funny little man Hitler had. Also, even though it was in
German, she managed to convey the national joint insanity
Dont think i agree. The focal length of the
normal lens it what gives a normal perspective,
not compressed like a tele or stretched like
a wide angle.
yes, I know focal length doesnt affect perspective
directly, but it does indirectly...
JCO
graywolf wrote:
50mm is the normal lens for 135 cameras simply because that is what
Barnack used on the first Leica.
Quite possibly true. Old Oskar did a lot of good things for
miniaturizing photography.
The real reason something approximating the diaagonal of the the
negative was
J. C. O'Connell wrote, quoting Graywolf, who wrote:
50mm is the normal lens for 135 cameras simply because that
is what Barnack used on the first Leica.
The real reason something approximating the diaagonal of the the
negative was originally chosen as the normal lens was simply because
Ok, but why then 50mm and not 43mm? My parents sometimes say when we
talk about cameras that in their times 45mm was considered normal.
.True. The historical reason behind why 35mm film normal lens has
.become 50mm instead of staying at 43mm (or 45mm) is out there somewhere,
.but I can't
Yep, and the sales these dealers are making WILL result in the exchange
of goods/services. It is an order only if no commitment has been made,
once this has been done (usually financial, but could be a legal
commitment) it is a sale - ask the IRS. If you buy something on ebay or
any other way,
On 14/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Pentax users who really know the rim from the hat as we say in Holland.
LOL. Love it. Can I use that? :-)
Cheers,
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On 14/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Well, put Bob, and Cotty.
What it comes down to is we are all friends here. If you have a friend
who doesn't want to hear about some controversial topic, what do you do?
I usually don't mention it around him. It is simply called being polite.
At the
On 14/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
I find my level of tolerance towards others is in proportion to the amount
of dust and noise emanating from the bloody quarry next door. Last week I
even shouted at my little dog when she asked to go downstairs to pee; she
can come up alone, but has to be
Hi,
Sunday, September 14, 2003, 8:52:45 PM, you wrote:
Yep, and the sales these dealers are making WILL result in the exchange
of goods/services. It is an order only if no commitment has been made,
once this has been done (usually financial, but could be a legal
commitment) it is a sale -
Hi,
Sunday, September 14, 2003, 9:14:24 PM, you wrote:
On 14/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
I find my level of tolerance towards others is in proportion to the amount
of dust and noise emanating from the bloody quarry next door. Last week I
even shouted at my little dog when she asked to
På søndag, 14. september 2003, kl. 18:49, skrev Anders Hultman:
Bob Blakely:
I've seen people here talk about the resolution of lenses. I fully
understand the physics behind resolution of both digital image
sensors and film, but what really is resolution when talking about
lenses?
Lens
Sure. I don't know what the equivalent is in the English language. There
must be something. It's a general expression, not made up by me.
:-)
Paul Delcour
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:05:03 +0100
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A lot of other things affect that perspective. The focal length of the
lens has something to do with it but not as much as most folk think. To
give an idea, if you take a 35mm photo with a 100mm lens and make a
5x7.5 print and view the print at 10 inches then the perspective you see
is exactly
So did all those other guys. My experience is that many things have been
written over the years about many things because they sounded good,
then repeated over and over without thought. I can prove that focal
length has little to do with perspective. Can you prove tha ecomonics
has little to
-Original Message-
From: Bob Walkden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 September 2003 21:18
To: Rob Brigham
Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #984
Hi,
Sunday, September 14, 2003, 8:52:45 PM, you wrote:
Yep, and the sales these dealers are making WILL result in
I hesistate to wade into this, but what the hell...
I don't think it's that simple, Rob.
Yes, if you pay for an item that you have not yet received, a transaction of
some sort has occurred. You can sell your rights to that camera (to
continue with the *ist D analogy) even if you don't have the
Hi Mike,
Seeing as you'll eventually read this on the web archives, I figure it's
a good way to catch you, as I keep getting rejections from your Citysun
email account, like this:
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The
At 04:43 PM 9/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
BTW, someone who works at Fixer Labs reads PDML since they had a good laugh
at Mark Cassino's complaint that his computer blew up because he ran their
filter. they promise that it won't happen again, at least until he gets a
new computer.
Har! It wasn't a
graywolf wrote:
So did all those other guys. My experience is that many things have been
written over the years about many things because they sounded good,
then repeated over and over without thought. I can prove that focal
length has little to do with perspective.
Actually, it never
NOT TRUE,
Even the best 35mm film is only about 200 lp/mm.
Even using an excellent lens of 200 lp/mm results
in a film/lens combination of only 100 lp/mm.
The film DOES affect the result, even the best films
JCO
They used 58mm first, then 55, now 50
because it made the finder 1:1 like I said before.
JCO
J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com
I knew I shoulda stayed out of this! Yeah, I realised it was a complex
issue - although I never thought through just how complex!
I'm gonna defer on this one if I may - it has been interesting so far
but I don't wanna debate it to death. You certainly have some valid
points, although if I
I got to handle a production model *ist D for awhile this afternoon. I can
verify with certainty that M lenses will work fine in manual mode using a
hand held meter. The diaphragm definitely stopped down when the shutter
release was pressed with the lens set at f8. I would assume that the same
The third sentence here should read I would assume that the same would hold
true for a K lens.
Bill
-Original Message-
From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:46 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Production model *ist D
I got to handle a production model *ist D
In addition, 50+ mm lenses would mount with the rear element
in front of the moving mirror without the need for retro focus
optical designs.
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:46:47 -0400
From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think the reason they went to 58/55/50 was that
these focal lengths
FA50/2.8 Macro New In Box, all papers, etc. $250.
Or give me a good trade offer.
Ricoh CR-5 with 35-70 zoom $30
Works fine. Great user. I just don't need it any more.
Collin
Oh, I believe you. I've tested it grossly for myself. Somewhere in there
is the true lifesize viewfinder image.
But, certainly one choice must stick out as being the most accurate
choice, no?
Let's see. 58mm. Yeah, that will work.
'Some time later' someone said, Nope, 55mm is really better. More
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
NOT TRUE,
Even the best 35mm film is only about 200 lp/mm.
Even using an excellent lens of 200 lp/mm results
in a film/lens combination of only 100 lp/mm.
Huh? Two times excellent equals only 1/2 of excellent?
In the first place, where, pray tell, would you
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Lens resolution
NOT TRUE,
Even the best 35mm film is only about 200 lp/mm.
Even using an excellent lens of 200 lp/mm results
in a film/lens combination of only 100 lp/mm.
The only problem with this is that the only way to
Saw the first ad in Portland, OR featuring the *istD. It's 1699.95 and the
dealer, Advance Camera, is taking $100 deposits on orders. Right above the
picture of the D is one featuring the Can EOS Digital Rebel. $899, body,
and $999 with the 18-55 lens. Now if I were a 35mm slr user eager to
On 14 Sep 2003 at 16:58, Keith Whaley wrote:
Huh? Two times excellent equals only 1/2 of excellent?
In the first place, where, pray tell, would you GET this so-called
excellent lens, capable of resolving 200 line pairs per mm?
I know of no consumer level lens capable of that level of
Hi,
Sunday, September 14, 2003, 10:52:51 PM, you wrote:
This is also true from the charging point-of-view. The seller
will debit your account only after the goods are despatched,
not before. However, when you placed your order the card will
have been authorised and your 'open to spend'
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
NOT TRUE,
Even the best 35mm film is only about 200 lp/mm.
Even using an excellent lens of 200 lp/mm results
in a film/lens combination of only 100 lp/mm.
Huh? Two times excellent equals only 1/2 of excellent?
In the first place, where, pray tell, would you GET
On Monday, 15 September 2003 1:49 AM Don said
I even shouted at my little dog when she asked to go downstairs to pee
[...snipped]
Wow, you have a talking dog! You should move to Vegas!
:-)
Simon
- Original Message -
From: J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Lens resolution
There are lenses capable of several hundred lp/mm but this is
measured with an aerial image and 1000:1 contrast target.
You also need to use a single wavelength of light and special
fast lenses (stopping down
I found it was a really useful way of trying to convey movement in the first
steps of my son...
http://wwwstaff.murdoch.edu.au/~sking/pages/walking.htm
Sometimes I miss the fact that he needed to be held like that - at least you
know where he was. Now he's off like a shot...
[*Nudity warning*]
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