Re: Stupid car question

[P. J. Alling]

STTOS City on the Edge of Forever, where Kirk explains to Edith Keeler, 
about Spock's ears...



On 6/28/2017 5:39 PM, John wrote:

On 6/27/2017 23:20, P. J. Alling wrote:



On 6/27/2017 6:01 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 27/6/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:


A punctured tyre can usually be
vulcanised in a workshop and will be as good as new.

"Fascinating" ;-)
You've lost me, there. But you're welcome to continue this 
discussion in

Dutch, French or German if you feel up to it.

Or even Vulcan ;-)



So to be vulcanized is to get the ears without the unfortunate rice
harvester accident?



Ok, NOW you've lost me. What "unfortunate rice harvester accident"?




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO -- Ready for the Hookah.

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice, but a bit more of the hookah please!

Paul via phone

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:37 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I haven't posted anything in a while, and I was out and about tonight and 
> figured I'd try a little street photography.  Most of the really interesting 
> stuff is technically so poor the I didn't feel the content overcame the other 
> issues but this isn't terrible, it's just not very good.I decided to post 
> it anyway.
> 
> https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20readyforthehookah.html
> 
> Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 limited.
> 
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
> 
> -- Still haven't decided on a new sig.
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

PESO -- Ready for the Hookah.

[P. J. Alling]

I haven't posted anything in a while, and I was out and about tonight 
and figured I'd try a little street photography.  Most of the really 
interesting stuff is technically so poor the I didn't feel the content 
overcame the other issues but this isn't terrible, it's just not very 
good.I decided to post it anyway.


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20readyforthehookah.html

Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 limited.

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

-- Still haven't decided on a new sig.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Maple Seed

[Paul Stenquist]

A helicopter!  I tried long and hard to sell a Dodge television commercial 
using these. Came so very close. Nice rendering.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 11:47 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> Great, of course. Odd looking, isn't it?
> 
> Marnie aka Doe
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 8:01 PM, Mark C wrote:
>> Back to studio botanical shots - this one is very simple and
>> straightforward, a maple seed collected a few months ago, now fairly dry:
>> 
>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/maple-seed
>> 
>> or on flickr:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35574339901
>> 
>> K-1, Pixel shift Mode, DFA 100 Macro.
>> 
>> Mark
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Maple Seed

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Great, of course. Odd looking, isn't it?

Marnie aka Doe

On 7/3/2017 8:01 PM, Mark C wrote:

Back to studio botanical shots - this one is very simple and
straightforward, a maple seed collected a few months ago, now fairly dry:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/maple-seed

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35574339901

K-1, Pixel shift Mode, DFA 100 Macro.

Mark


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO A Lady in the Pines

[ann sanfedele]

Rick - I'm never sure what I've chosen until I see the photos in 
photoshop either :-)


I've always left the autofocus on the 5 point thingy - but it does seem 
it might be better to use the single in situations like Pauls rather than

trying to do manual focus with my eyes at this point

ann

On 7/3/2017 11:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Thanks Rick.
True. The single point focus areas of all cameras are larger than what one Sees 
can in the viewfinder, but much selective focus can still be achieved by using 
one point. For example, by choosing a point on the bird far removed from the 
branch, I could be fairly certain the camera was locking on the bird.

Paul via phone


On Jul 3, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Paul, the bird photos the last couple of months have been great. This one is 
too.

Ann, the center focus point on the K-5 is much larger than the little red 
square, and one isn’t entirely sure what it has chosen until one sees the pix.

Cheers,

Rick




On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I just figured you were on manual!
(note to self - change autofocus setting to single point on K5)

ann


On 7/3/2017 7:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Thanks Ann. I was pleased that I was able to get autofocus to ignore the 
branches and lock on Ms. cardinal. The advantage of single point.

Paul via phone


On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Lovely! and cute :-)
ann


On 7/1/2017 2:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
https://www.photo.net/photo/18403955/lady-cardinal-in-the-pine


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO A Lady in the Pines

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Rick.
True. The single point focus areas of all cameras are larger than what one Sees 
can in the viewfinder, but much selective focus can still be achieved by using 
one point. For example, by choosing a point on the bird far removed from the 
branch, I could be fairly certain the camera was locking on the bird.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Paul, the bird photos the last couple of months have been great. This one is 
> too.
> 
> Ann, the center focus point on the K-5 is much larger than the little red 
> square, and one isn’t entirely sure what it has chosen until one sees the pix.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I just figured you were on manual!
>> (note to self - change autofocus setting to single point on K5)
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 7:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Thanks Ann. I was pleased that I was able to get autofocus to ignore the 
>>> branches and lock on Ms. cardinal. The advantage of single point.
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 
 Lovely! and cute :-)
 ann
 
> On 7/1/2017 2:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18403955/lady-cardinal-in-the-pine
> 
 
 -- 
 PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 PDML@pdml.net
 http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
 to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
 follow the directions.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> PDML@pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>> follow the directions.
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

RE: PESO - Down In Indiana

[John Coyle]

I went back to this one in view of the concerns some have mentioned, and I must 
say the truck
doesn't bother me: in fact, I think it adds to the composition.  My eye went 
immediately to the red
barn, as one might expect, and then travelled to the right along the arc to the 
truck, before going
to the sky.  My only quibble would be I would have gone as close to the fence 
as possible to look
over the top of the rusty wire and posts!


John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis
Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2017 9:36 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Subject: Re: PESO - Down In Indiana

The barn placement troubles me.
It must be the strong color and near
center location. 
The insignificant wire fence has no role and the far elements fail to supply 
the necessary weight to
count them as points of interest.
Admit having looked at this only on
my cell.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> The sky is the thing for me. - but the barn is just right and the fence is 
> fine too -- if I
started getting nit-picky I would just say that it isn't that there is an 
object on the far right
(the truck) but that the truck is too modern looking - the barn and the fence 
look like they could
be from an earlier time.
> Is your truckless frame the same in all other regards?  would like to 
> see that
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 7/1/2017 1:38 PM, Mark C wrote:
>> Thanks, Marne. I think you are right about the competing centers of 
>> interest. I have other shots
without the fence and truck. I might try a shot with just the fence, no truck, 
since I don't have
one with just the truck and no fence.  Without one or the other I don't think 
there is enough going
on in the image.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/1/2017 1:07 AM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:
>>> Great sky.
>>> 
>>> I usually love your shots, it's strange to me to say I have some 
>>> quibbles. Something about the placement of the barn, re fence and 
>>> passing truck isn't pleasing to me. (Too many focal points? Not 
>>> sure.)
>>> 
>>> I would have walked closer to the fence to leave it out. (I'd say 
>>> crop it, but don't think it can be done now. At least not without 
>>> cloning.)
>>> 
>>> Take with a grain of salt, Marnie aka Doe :-)
>>> 
 On 6/30/2017 8:49 PM, Mark C wrote:
 I spent the last week down in rural Indiana, got home a few hours 
 ago and am starting to review images. Here's a shot from yesterday 
 -
 
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/down-in-indiana
 
 or on flickr:
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35641165115/
 
 K1 and FA 20-35 f4 @ f16.
> 
> 
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

PESO - Maple Seed

[Mark C]

Back to studio botanical shots - this one is very simple and 
straightforward, a maple seed collected a few months ago, now fairly dry:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/maple-seed

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35574339901

K-1, Pixel shift Mode, DFA 100 Macro.

Mark


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[Mark C]

Thanks, john - I haven't gotten to reinstalling but will try this 
version when I do. APpreciate knowing that his version does not show the 
bug, since part of what I wanted to do was to see how far back to go.


Mark

On 7/3/2017 6:29 PM, John wrote:

On 7/2/2017 13:36, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, 
next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I 
pull

the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out 
there.


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php




Or this one. https://archive.org/details/MozillaThunderbirdV45.8.0

It's the version I'm using and I'm not having the "Reply List" problem.





--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO: Southern Magnolia

[Rick Womer]

Very nice. I think the bug crawling out from between the petals adds something 
(besides protein!).

Rick



> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:38 PM, PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> On a recent visit to Radnor Lake we left there and went to Ellington Ag 
> Center to see if their Southern Magnolia trees were in true wonderful bloom. 
> We were there for a bit then a nice bit of rain started so we hung out under 
> one of the Magnolia Trees while a mild rain fell down.
> 
> This is one of the Southern Magnolia tree blooms.
> 
> http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/flowers-floral-blooms/e8eb47e80
> 
> Hope everyone in the states is staying cooling this summer especially those 
> in Arizona.
> 
> -- 
> Jeffery Johnson | Photo Captures by Jeffery
> http://www.PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com
> /Diverse range of photography Artistic - Animals - Events/Festivals - 
> Transportation - Pets - Nature - Scenic - Cityscape. That you can purchase as 
> framed or unframed prints, with loads of variety in home decor./
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Night and Day

[Rick Womer]

Nice pair of shots, Marnie. I particularly like the night one; it seems sharper 
and more interesting than the daytime one.

Rick




> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> Finally getting near the end of 2011 (although not all pages are hooked in 
> yet).
> 
> Two PESOs, actually.
> 
> An iconic San Francisco Landmark, Coit Tower. (Built 1933, money donated by a 
> wealthy SF socialite.)
> 
> There are also some great art deco era murals inside. But I was shooting it 
> from a distance, from a SF pier.
> 
> Coit by Day
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/coitday.htm
> 
> Coit at Night
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/coitnight.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  (I have not yet figured out how to size PESOs, maybe they 
> should have been 800, not 900.)
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO A Lady in the Pines

[Rick Womer]

Paul, the bird photos the last couple of months have been great. This one is 
too.

Ann, the center focus point on the K-5 is much larger than the little red 
square, and one isn’t entirely sure what it has chosen until one sees the pix.

Cheers,

Rick



> On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I just figured you were on manual!
> (note to self - change autofocus setting to single point on K5)
> 
> ann
> 
> On 7/3/2017 7:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Thanks Ann. I was pleased that I was able to get autofocus to ignore the 
>> branches and lock on Ms. cardinal. The advantage of single point.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lovely! and cute :-)
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 7/1/2017 2:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 https://www.photo.net/photo/18403955/lady-cardinal-in-the-pine
 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML@pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>>> follow the directions.
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso: And Yet Another Puppeh Picture

[Rick Womer]

Excellent!  

I’ll bet she’s always that quiet…

Rick


> On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:20 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I agree - don't know if I said so earlier -
> Did she sign the models release form?  Are you doing a calendar just of here 
> this year?
> 
> ann
> 
> On 7/3/2017 3:46 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> Oh, that's a wonderful portrait, Bill. What a face!
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> As the title says, another picture of Rayna.
>>> 
>>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/look3.html
>>> 
>>> K1, D-FA 100/f2/8 Macro, ISO 100 f/4, 1/6 second
>>> 
>>> Enjoy
>>> 
>>> bill
>>> 
>>> --
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML@pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
>>> follow the directions.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Mac external drive trouble

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

The thing is, as I said previously, it is just the ongoing incremental backup 
and, as such, if you don't need anything from it now and haven't in the past, 
the data doesn't matter. Attach a new drive and create a new backup: you're 
done. 

It's not an archive, it's a backup. :-)

G

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:22 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> Gonna be a whole lot less pain if it IS the enclosure though.
> 
> If it's the drive, his backups are hosed. Better if it's the
> enclosure & he can recover the data.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO A Lady in the Pines

[ann sanfedele]

I just figured you were on manual!
(note to self - change autofocus setting to single point on K5)

ann

On 7/3/2017 7:52 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Thanks Ann. I was pleased that I was able to get autofocus to ignore the 
branches and lock on Ms. cardinal. The advantage of single point.

Paul via phone


On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Lovely! and cute :-)
ann


On 7/1/2017 2:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
https://www.photo.net/photo/18403955/lady-cardinal-in-the-pine



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso: And Yet Another Puppeh Picture

[ann sanfedele]

I agree - don't know if I said so earlier -
Did she sign the models release form?  Are you doing a calendar just of 
here this year?


ann

On 7/3/2017 3:46 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Oh, that's a wonderful portrait, Bill. What a face!

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Bill  wrote:

As the title says, another picture of Rayna.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/look3.html

K1, D-FA 100/f2/8 Macro, ISO 100 f/4, 1/6 second

Enjoy

bill

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.






--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

On 7/3/2017 6:50 PM, John wrote:


If you drag the "Smart Reply" button to the left in "Customize", it swap
the location of the "Reply" and "Reply List" buttons when you click 
"Done".


That might help if you're used to clicking the first button to reply to
PDML.

    I don't think it will cause any problems if you click "Reply List"

when you are NOT replying to a list message. **


REPLY LIST  only shows up as an option when I get mail in my PDML folder 
- because the TO is pdml@pdml.net
If I get mail from an individual and the TO shows my name , all I see is 
one button that says REPLY


ONly list I now subscribe to is PDML -- I dropped all the Scrabble stuff

ann




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO A Lady in the Pines

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Ann. I was pleased that I was able to get autofocus to ignore the 
branches and lock on Ms. cardinal. The advantage of single point.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:12 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Lovely! and cute :-)
> ann
> 
>> On 7/1/2017 2:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18403955/lady-cardinal-in-the-pine
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Down In Indiana

[Jack Davis]

The barn placement troubles me.
It must be the strong color and near
center location. 
The insignificant wire fence has no role and the far elements fail to
supply the necessary weight to count them as points of interest.
Admit having looked at this only on
my cell.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> The sky is the thing for me. - but the barn is just right and the fence is 
> fine too -- if I started getting nit-picky I would just say that it isn't 
> that there is an object on the far right (the truck) but that the truck is 
> too modern looking - the barn and the fence look like they could be from an 
> earlier time.
> Is your truckless frame the same in all other regards?  would like to see that
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 7/1/2017 1:38 PM, Mark C wrote:
>> Thanks, Marne. I think you are right about the competing centers of 
>> interest. I have other shots without the fence and truck. I might try a shot 
>> with just the fence, no truck, since I don't have one with just the truck 
>> and no fence.  Without one or the other I don't think there is enough going 
>> on in the image.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/1/2017 1:07 AM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:
>>> Great sky.
>>> 
>>> I usually love your shots, it's strange to me to say I have some quibbles. 
>>> Something about the placement of the barn, re fence and passing truck isn't 
>>> pleasing to me. (Too many focal points? Not sure.)
>>> 
>>> I would have walked closer to the fence to leave it out. (I'd say crop it, 
>>> but don't think it can be done now. At least not without cloning.)
>>> 
>>> Take with a grain of salt, Marnie aka Doe :-)
>>> 
 On 6/30/2017 8:49 PM, Mark C wrote:
 I spent the last week down in rural Indiana, got home a few hours ago
 and am starting to review images. Here's a shot from yesterday -
 
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/down-in-indiana
 
 or on flickr:
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35641165115/
 
 K1 and FA 20-35 f4 @ f16.
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Mac external drive trouble

[John]

Gonna be a whole lot less pain if it IS the enclosure though.

If it's the drive, his backups are hosed. Better if it's the
enclosure & he can recover the data.

On 7/2/2017 15:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I've had my share of enclosure failures but all of them by the
low-priced enclosures.

The OWC "Elite Pro" enclosures run about $70-85 apiece (see
MacSales.com for details) and are very very reliable. Not one has
ever failed me; between my brother and I, we've been using them for
fifteen-eighteen years. My current ones for 3.5" drives support three
hardware protocols in their latest revisions (eSATA, FW800, and
USB3). They're very fast enclosures too. USB3 seems the most cost
effective speed for the money at the present; I have two Thunderbolt
SSD drives that are faster still but they're still double the price
for the capacity, at least.

Meanwhile, drives get full and/or flakey every few years of use. I've
swapped and upgraded drives periodically; each of my enclosures has
likely hosted up to three drives by now: no signs of failure yet.
Bare drives are pretty cheap these days for 2, 3, or 4 TB.

G


On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Mark C wrote:


Rick -

Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more
likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to
do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be
worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.


The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
these days it's worth a try.

I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
*much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
the computer).





--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO Super Sparrow

[John]

"I just flew in from Los Angeles & boy are my arms tired!"

On 7/2/2017 14:05, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000. I’m
amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for
trying to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with
dumbbells. Not surprised.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight



On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Mark C wrote:


Rick -

Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more
likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to
do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be
worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.


The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
these days it's worth a try.

I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
*much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
the computer).

--
Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
www.robertstech.com





--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.





--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO A Lady in the Pines

[ann sanfedele]

Lovely! and cute :-)
ann

On 7/1/2017 2:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18403955/lady-cardinal-in-the-pine




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Down In Indiana

[ann sanfedele]

The sky is the thing for me. - but the barn is just right and the fence 
is fine too -- if I started getting nit-picky I would just say that it 
isn't that there is an object on the far right (the truck) but that the 
truck is too modern looking - the barn and the fence look like they 
could be from an earlier time.
Is your truckless frame the same in all other regards?  would like to 
see that


ann

On 7/1/2017 1:38 PM, Mark C wrote:
Thanks, Marne. I think you are right about the competing centers of 
interest. I have other shots without the fence and truck. I might try 
a shot with just the fence, no truck, since I don't have one with just 
the truck and no fence.  Without one or the other I don't think there 
is enough going on in the image.


Mark



On 7/1/2017 1:07 AM, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Great sky.

I usually love your shots, it's strange to me to say I have some 
quibbles. Something about the placement of the barn, re fence and 
passing truck isn't pleasing to me. (Too many focal points? Not sure.)


I would have walked closer to the fence to leave it out. (I'd say 
crop it, but don't think it can be done now. At least not without 
cloning.)


Take with a grain of salt, Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 6/30/2017 8:49 PM, Mark C wrote:

I spent the last week down in rural Indiana, got home a few hours ago
and am starting to review images. Here's a shot from yesterday -

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/down-in-indiana

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/35641165115/

K1 and FA 20-35 f4 @ f16.








--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing - and another thing

[John]

Right click under the buttons on the message pane & select "Customize"
and you can drag the "Smart Reply" button that says "Reply List" when
it's not in customization mode to swap places with the "Reply" button
and it will stay there when you click [Done].


On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing - Test #3 "Reply All"

[John]

Test #3 - "Reply All" goes

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

... same as "Reply" did.

Again, this works with ver. 45.8.0

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Peppers!

[ann sanfedele]

Disagree with you Bruce - seems more than sufficiently saturated to me 
and I really like it, Marnie


(I had to go back back back to find a post about the Peppers with a link 
to them in it, though.)


ann

On 7/1/2017 4:58 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Simple, but I like it, Marnie.

I think it could benefit from a little midtone contrast boost, just to
punch it a bit. Eg Clarity in Lr.


On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:

Still working on 2011 -- it is going to take forever to update my
photography web pages.

Simple image, but colorful. Taken on San Francisco's farmers' market, on a
pier, on a class outing.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/peppers.htm

Comments welcome.

Marnie

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
follow the directions.






--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing - Test #2 "Reply"

[John]

Second Test - ver 45.8.0 "Reply goes

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing - TEST #1 "Reply List"

[John]

First Test - I'm still on 45.8.0 so this may not hold for 52.2.1

Reply List goes To: pdml-at-pdml.net

On 7/3/2017 12:47, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.


That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.




--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[John]

That's the way it SHOULD work. I think the new version of Thunderbird
broke that.

"Reply" goes to the individual sender, "Reply List" goes to the list
mailbox and "Reply All" goes to anyone who was "CC:".

I don't think the latter works with PDML because it doesn't display the
list members as "CC:"

On 7/3/2017 02:55, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the
PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes
individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If
you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers
would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some posts are
received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list mailbox &
once directly from the poster.

I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the
Avast Firewall.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Paul in MKE
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:

I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to
work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List
disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never
stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.

On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:

I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply
and Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in
the message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the
message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.

-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST"
instead of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus














--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[John]

On 7/2/2017 19:59, ann sanfedele wrote:

my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST  (and to REPLY ALL  I have
to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list..


I think those buttons are at the top of the "message pane". Top left is
a list of folders; Top right has a list of messages; the actual messages
are all the way across the bottom half of the Thunderbird window.

I have [Reply] [Reply List {down arrow}] [Forward] [Archive] [Junk]
[Delete].

The {down arrow} gives me Reply List -divider- Reply All and Reply.

If you right click just under the buttons on the top of the message
pane, you get "Customize".

Select that, and you can drag the buttons around, drag them off or drag
new buttons on. The button that says "Reply List" changes to "Smart
Reply" while you're in customize.

If you drag the "Smart Reply" button to the left in "Customize", it swap
the location of the "Reply" and "Reply List" buttons when you click "Done".

That might help if you're used to clicking the first button to reply to
PDML. I don't think it will cause any problems if you click "Reply List"
when you are NOT replying to a list message.


On 7/2/2017 19:59, ann sanfedele wrote:

my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST  (and to REPLY ALL  I have
to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list..  but remembering that
I have to do it for my replies to go to PDML and for my replys to show
up in my PDML folder in my inbox, which is where I want 'em. But my
mouse just gravitates to the REPLY button I'm used to hitting...

and when we get a good pun thread going it really sucks :-)

ann

On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:

I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and
Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the
message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.

-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus












--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[ann sanfedele]

No - not how Thunderbird is now working...
If I hit REPLY it goes ONLY to the person whose post I am replying to...
If I use Reply List it goes to everyone on the list but it says it is 
only going to pdml@pdml.net in my "TO"
If I use Reply all (as I just did for this ) It is addressed both to 
PDML and to you, Alan.  so you will probably get this twice :-)


ann


On 7/3/2017 2:55 AM, Alan C wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the 
PDML), & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes 
individually to all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. 
If you use "Reply", then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. 
Listers would then down load at their leisure. This explains why some 
posts are received double if "Reply List" is used - once from the list 
mailbox & once directly from the poster.


I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the 
Avast Firewall.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Paul in MKE
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag 
it from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to 
work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List 
disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but 
never stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is 
corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply 
and Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in 
the message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header. You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the 
box.  The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you 
click on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to 
Reply List (the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" 
instead of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see 
what i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my 
work time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie 
at least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus















--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[John]

On 7/2/2017 13:36, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.


Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php




Or this one. https://archive.org/details/MozillaThunderbirdV45.8.0

It's the version I'm using and I'm not having the "Reply List" problem.


--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[John]

I'm using Thunderbird, but I'm down-level & haven't "upgraded" to the
newer version that's causing all the problems. I'm waiting to see if
there's another update that fixes the problems caused by the current
update.


On 7/2/2017 11:29, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus







--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[Jostein]

Ann, this is not about Thunderbird. ;-)
Jostein

Den 02.07.2017 17.29, skrev ann sanfedele:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus







--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[Jostein]

That has happened to me for several years already. :-(

I looked into routing agreements between providers, but that didn't fit 
the pattern. An original email from Australia, Russia or the Philippines 
was just as likely to get lost in space as was the ones from Ohio, 
Michigan or California.


It could be a glitch in the PDML list software, of course, but I find 
that unlikely. If it was, I kinda think that it would affect the same 
messages for everyone, which it doesn't.


As Dan Matyola says, some may end up in end-user spam folders. Spam 
filters are in effect at provider level too.


I believe what happens is that the email providers have quarantine bots 
that flag and withhold messages based on simple rules, and then use more 
sophisticated analysis to release the messages if deemed harmless. This 
would explain why original postings can arrive from PDML days after its 
comments; or not arrive at all if it didn't pass the rules.


At one point, I subscribed to PDML from both gmail and my own domain to 
look for differences, and there were. Even when telling gmail and my 
domain's mail server to "whitelist" everything from pdml.net, some 
messages were either delayed or lost. And still not always the same 
messages.


Keeping track of two accounts that way was too tedious to be a solution, 
though, so I grudgingly settled for using my private domain, where I 
felt that I had more control over the mail filtering.


When needed, I go to the PDML archives to see the original posts.

Jostein

Den 02.07.2017 06.44, skrev Alan C:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus




--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peppers!

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Well, obviously I know that NOW.

And I see Paul did it too with Super Sparrow.

So... :-P

Marnie aka Doe

On 7/1/2017 2:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Hitting Reply to start a new thread is A Very Bad Thing anyway,
Marnie. :)  That only creates confusion and spaghetti threads.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peppers!

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Thanks, Dan.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/1/2017 9:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I love the colors and the patterns.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peppers!

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

That's because it is.

Confoosing, I know.

BUT, in some versions of Thunderbird, if you have show posts by thread, 
some of my PESO posts APPEAR to be buried in other threads.


In other words, it's a "browser error" (i.e. on the client side). But 
obviously one that several people have. (See Strange Things, my last 
post there.)


Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/3/2017 1:02 PM, John wrote:

FWIW, I *am* using Thunderbird & it looks like a new thread to me.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

PESO - Night and Day

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Finally getting near the end of 2011 (although not all pages are hooked 
in yet).


Two PESOs, actually.

An iconic San Francisco Landmark, Coit Tower. (Built 1933, money donated 
by a wealthy SF socialite.)


There are also some great art deco era murals inside. But I was shooting 
it from a distance, from a SF pier.


Coit by Day
http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/coitday.htm

Coit at Night
http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/coitnight.htm

Comments welcome.

Marnie aka Doe  (I have not yet figured out how to size PESOs, maybe 
they should have been 800, not 900.)


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peppers!

[John]

On 7/1/2017 17:11, Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

Simple, but I like it, Marnie.

I think it could benefit from a little midtone contrast boost, just to
punch it a bit. Eg Clarity in Lr.

-

Thanks, Bruce.

Possibly. It was an overcast day in SF, actually perfect for shooting
produce. So I didn't post process except to resize, I will look into it.

It's possible if you AREN'T using Thunderbird, my thread looked like a
new thread. But from now on, doing it right.

Marnie aka Doe



FWIW, I *am* using Thunderbird & it looks like a new thread to me.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - portrait study 3

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 3:11 PM, John  wrote:
>
> On 6/29/2017 15:36, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> "Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old." --Franz
>> Kafka
>
> I just wish I could see beauty in my bathroom mirror in the morning,
> instead of that grumpy old man.

You're beautiful, John. :)


>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/35575224696/lightbox/
>>
>> Rated G: General Audiences – All ages admitted
>>
>> 645Z, 90mm/2.8 macro, f/4, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.
>>
>> Please enjoy responsibly.
>>
>
> Beautiful. The sheer red fabric & the bright red lipstick do it for me.

Thank you, John!

-- 
-bmw

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO Super Sparrow

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Ann. 
Paul


> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Love that!
> ann
> 
> On 7/2/2017 2:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000.
>>  I’m amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for 
>> trying to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with dumbbells. 
>> Not surprised.
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark C wrote:
>>> 
 Rick -
 
 Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more
 likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to
 do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be
 worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
>>> The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
>>> than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
>>> these days it's worth a try.
>>> 
>>> I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
>>> months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
>>> computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
>>> times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
>>> and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
>>> idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
>>> of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
>>> *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
>>> the computer).
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
>>> www.robertstech.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> PDML@pdml.net
>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
>>> follow the directions.
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso: And Yet Another Puppeh Picture

[Bruce Walker]

Oh, that's a wonderful portrait, Bill. What a face!

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
> As the title says, another picture of Rayna.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/look3.html
>
> K1, D-FA 100/f2/8 Macro, ISO 100 f/4, 1/6 second
>
> Enjoy
>
> bill
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and
> follow the directions.



-- 
-bmw

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: The rumor I heard today ...

[John]

I think Ricoh had their own "medical" group before they bought Pentax.

On 6/30/2017 23:34, Mark C wrote:

I may be wrong but I think Hoya hung onto Pentax Mdical as a separate
company and sold the general photographic division to Ricoh. See

https://www.pentaxmedical.com/pentax/en/92/1/PENTAX-Medical-Overview

"PENTAX Medical is a division of HOYA Group delivering endo-imaging
solutions."

Mark


On 6/26/2017 1:04 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

... (at a dealer) is that Nikon wants Ricoh.
I think they want the medical and office equipment divisions.
Probably could care less about the cameras.
Maybe PDML should buy the camera division.
Let's all chip in.







--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Peso: And Yet Another Puppeh Picture

[John]

On 6/30/2017 14:55, Bill wrote:

As the title says, another picture of Rayna.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/look3.html

K1, D-FA 100/f2/8 Macro, ISO 100 f/4, 1/6 second

Enjoy

bill



Beautiful big ol' baby, but she looks like she'd rather be doing
something else.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Maybe.

For me there is no difference between Reply and Reply List. As far as I 
can figure out (and I have double checked). All are going to p...@pdlm.net.


My problem is, when I have Thunderbird filter by Threads turned on (may 
be called something else, forget now I got it turned on), when I hit 
reply then it goes to that thread.


My normal method, in the past, for posting a PESO was to just randomly 
choose a thread and a post and hit REPLY. Fill in a new subject line 
with PESO - Name and hit return. And that would START a new thread. With 
Thunderbird show by thread on, it doesn't.


Simple solution, though tedious, now when posting a PESO I don't hit 
reply. I just do a new write, new subject line, and type in 
pdml@pdml.net for the address (although there must be a macro or 
something that would fill that in for me).


HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/3/2017 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.

That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - portrait study 3

[John]

On 6/29/2017 15:36, Bruce Walker wrote:

"Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old." --Franz Kafka


I just wish I could see beauty in my bathroom mirror in the morning,
instead of that grumpy old man.





https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/35575224696/lightbox/

Rated G: General Audiences – All ages admitted

645Z, 90mm/2.8 macro, f/4, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.

Please enjoy responsibly.



Beautiful. The sheer red fabric & the bright red lipstick do it for me.

--
Science - Questions we may never find answers for.
Religion - Answers we must never question.

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Mac external drive trouble

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Godfrey. I have a Mercury Elite Pro Mini enclosure sitting
here with a 500GB (empty) drive. I just ordered a 2TB drive for it,
which is the largest that will fit. That will let me empty the broken
drive and repair or replace it.

Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> I've had my share of enclosure failures but all of them by the low-priced 
> enclosures.
>
> The OWC "Elite Pro" enclosures run about $70-85 apiece (see MacSales.com for 
> details) and are very very reliable. Not one has ever failed me; between my 
> brother and I, we've been using them for fifteen-eighteen years. My current 
> ones for 3.5" drives support three hardware protocols in their latest 
> revisions (eSATA, FW800, and USB3). They're very fast enclosures too. USB3 
> seems the most cost effective speed for the money at the present; I have two 
> Thunderbolt SSD drives that are faster still but they're still double the 
> price for the capacity, at least.
>
> Meanwhile, drives get full and/or flakey every few years of use. I've swapped 
> and upgraded drives periodically; each of my enclosures has likely hosted up 
> to three drives by now: no signs of failure yet. Bare drives are pretty cheap 
> these days for 2, 3, or 4 TB.
>
> G
>
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>
>> Mark C wrote:
>>
>>> Rick -
>>>
>>> Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more
>>> likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to
>>> do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be
>>> worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
>>
>> The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
>> than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
>> these days it's worth a try.
>>
>> I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
>> months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
>> computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
>> times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
>> and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
>> idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
>> of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
>> *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
>> the computer).
>
>
> --
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML@pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
> the directions.

-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Alan C wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML),
> & you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to
> all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply",
> then your reply goes only to the list mailbox.

That's not my understanding.

If you "Reply List", the message goes to the list email address.

You can't send a message to all the list members individually, because
you don't have their email addresses - there is no "Reply All" ability.

If you just "Reply", the mailer program is supposed to use the reply
address specified in the "Reply-To" header.  (Which, for most email
lists, is set to the list email address).

The problem people are complaining about is that Thunderbird has, as
of the latest release, chosen to ignore the requirements of the email
protocols, and when the user hits Reply is sending the reply to the
original poster (using the address supplied in a different header),
and only to that person - the message never gets sent to the list.


-- 
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Red wood ant

[Jostein]

Den 03.07.2017 07.26, skrev mike wilson:


Having watched Jostein at work, I can say that one of the many difficulties with
this process is working out exactly what will be in frame when the multiplicity
of in-focus wafers is amalgamated into one image.


That's very true.
The challenge is to put camera movement perpendicular to the exact crop 
you want. In 3D. :-)


Jostein

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: PESO - Red wood ant

[Jostein]

Den 02.07.2017 19.33, skrev Igor PDML-StR:

Jostein, what Bruce has said is exactly my reaction.


Thanks.


The surrounding/background is a good setting for this photo.

The only thing that could be improved is that the leg wouldn't be cut 
off. I am suspecting there was something distracting on the left that 
forced you doing that...


It's a studio setup. :-)

Jostein

--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.

Re: Strange thing

[Alan C]

Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), 
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to 
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", 
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers would then down load 
at their leisure. This explains why some posts are received double if "Reply 
List" is used - once from the list mailbox & once directly from the poster.


I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the Avast 
Firewall.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul in MKE

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, 
but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I 
open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize 
is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I just 
dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply 
All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message 
header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the message header. 
You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  Drag the Reply button 
back into the Customize box and close the box.  The Smart Reply has now 
changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it 
you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or 
Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus












--
Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old.


--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and 
follow the directions. 



--
PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
PDML@pdml.net
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow 
the directions.