Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Matthew Hunt]

When 900 years you reach...

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Completely
> agree
> I

post so well you shall not,.

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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[ann sanfedele]

On 11/22/2017 9:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

snip...

Subash Jeyan wrote:


my reply style (top, interspersed, or bottom) depends mostly on the
forum. but i do cut out a lot of unnecessary fluff...

Larry replied:
Exactly.  There are actually times when top, or bottom, posting is the 
clearest.


annsan then says...

 I agree  :-)

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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Mark Roberts]

Completely
agree
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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Larry Colen]

Subash Jeyan wrote:

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:56:17 -0800
Larry Colen  wrote:


PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:

Hum I have always "top posted" and as Ann as stated most places
want you to place your replies above the line.

A lot of that has to do with the way the internet was invaded
starting in 1993 by barbarians who had no concept of polite behavior.
It makes a lot more sense to have your reply be adjacent to the
context, and trimming the unnecessary cruft so that not only can
people tell what you are talking about, but also so that the reply
chain doesn't grow to thousands of lines long, of mostly unneeded
crap.


my reply style (top, interspersed, or bottom) depends mostly on the
forum. but i do cut out a lot of unnecessary fluff...


Exactly.  There are actually times when top, or bottom, posting is the 
clearest.



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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Subash Jeyan]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:56:17 -0800
Larry Colen  wrote:

> PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:
> > Hum I have always "top posted" and as Ann as stated most places
> > want you to place your replies above the line.  
> 
> A lot of that has to do with the way the internet was invaded
> starting in 1993 by barbarians who had no concept of polite behavior.
> It makes a lot more sense to have your reply be adjacent to the
> context, and trimming the unnecessary cruft so that not only can
> people tell what you are talking about, but also so that the reply
> chain doesn't grow to thousands of lines long, of mostly unneeded
> crap.

my reply style (top, interspersed, or bottom) depends mostly on the
forum. but i do cut out a lot of unnecessary fluff...

~subash

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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Larry Colen]

PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:

Hum I have always "top posted" and as Ann as stated most places want you
to place your replies above the line.


A lot of that has to do with the way the internet was invaded starting 
in 1993 by barbarians who had no concept of polite behavior. It makes a 
lot more sense to have your reply be adjacent to the context, and 
trimming the unnecessary cruft so that not only can people tell what you 
are talking about, but also so that the reply chain doesn't grow to 
thousands of lines long, of mostly unneeded crap.




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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com]

Hum I have always "top posted" and as Ann as stated most places want you 
to place your replies above the line.


Jeffery Johnson | Photo Captures by Jeffery
http://www.PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com
/Diverse range of photography Artistic - Animals - Events/Festivals - 
Transportation - Pets - Nature - Scenic - Cityscape. That you can 
purchase as framed or unframed prints, with loads of variety in home 
decor./

On 11/22/2017 3:10 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:



On 11/22/2017 3:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Jack seemed to be confused by the way his email reader handles email 
attributions. This harkens back to a debate that's been going on for 
at least 30 years on posting style.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Here is the standard explanation of why top posting is bad

Why I hate top-posting
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?

Until eternal September, interleaved replies, with added cruft 
deleted, were considered the proper and polite way to respond to 
email or usenet posts.



annsan replies... just to be clear...

Wonder how much reading and sending email using a phone presents a 
problem.. I have frequently seen emails sent to
list where the person who quotes something from someone elses post 
gets credited or blamed for the original person's
post... most frequently here people misattributing photos to someone 
else...  .


another thing that happens is the link to a photo being discussed has 
been stripped off by someone's server .


Whenever I have correspondance with ebay customers, or other business 
stuff, they insist on top posting.. "please respond above the line"  
The form in ebay messages is set up that way.


I blame society

ann



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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Larry Colen]

Jack Davis wrote:

Liberal!


Top Poster!



Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:



Jack Davis wrote:

I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
considered a dangerous animal with
strict public ownership conditions and limitations.

There is a terrible amount of misinformation out there about pit bulls.  They 
aren't even a breed, there are several breeds of dog that are called pits.

Dogs attack.  Yes, #notalldogs, but like many other things in our society they 
can be beneficial, benign, or harmful, and they can change from one to another 
without the people there understanding why.


J

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C   wrote:

I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
trouble with them here too - even people killed.

Alan C

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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[ann sanfedele]

On 11/22/2017 3:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Jack seemed to be confused by the way his email reader handles email 
attributions. This harkens back to a debate that's been going on for 
at least 30 years on posting style.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Here is the standard explanation of why top posting is bad

Why I hate top-posting
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?

Until eternal September, interleaved replies, with added cruft 
deleted, were considered the proper and polite way to respond to email 
or usenet posts.



annsan replies... just to be clear...

Wonder how much reading and sending email using a phone presents a 
problem.. I have frequently seen emails sent to
list where the person who quotes something from someone elses post gets 
credited or blamed for the original person's
post... most frequently here people misattributing photos to someone 
else...  .


another thing that happens is the link to a photo being discussed has 
been stripped off by someone's server .


Whenever I have correspondance with ebay customers, or other business 
stuff, they insist on top posting.. "please respond above the line"  The 
form in ebay messages is set up that way.


I blame society

ann

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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Jack Davis]

Liberal! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
>> I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
>> considered a dangerous animal with
>> strict public ownership conditions and limitations.
> 
> There is a terrible amount of misinformation out there about pit bulls.  They 
> aren't even a breed, there are several breeds of dog that are called pits.
> 
> Dogs attack.  Yes, #notalldogs, but like many other things in our society 
> they can be beneficial, benign, or harmful, and they can change from one to 
> another without the people there understanding why.
> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
>>> trouble with them here too - even people killed.
>>> 
>>> Alan C
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meta-topic Posting style

[Larry Colen]

Jack seemed to be confused by the way his email reader handles email 
attributions. This harkens back to a debate that's been going on for at 
least 30 years on posting style.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Here is the standard explanation of why top posting is bad

Why I hate top-posting
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?

Until eternal September, interleaved replies, with added cruft deleted, 
were considered the proper and polite way to respond to email or usenet 
posts.


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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Jack Davis]

Is this from you, Larry? 
Tricky!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:50 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On November 22, 2017 11:21:39 AM PST, Jack Davis  
>> wrote:
>> Larry, why did you assign all of 
>> these remarks to me?
> 
> I didn't.  Just your reply to Alan. 
> 
> I did reply in the proper format of interspersing comments with the statement 
> I was commenting on. Perhaps your mail client is broken and shows my comments 
> add coming from you, or shows Alan's add coming from you.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jack Davis wrote:
 I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
 considered a dangerous animal with
 strict public ownership conditions and limitations.
>>> 
>>> There is a terrible amount of misinformation out there about pit
>> bulls.  They aren't even a breed, there are several breeds of dog that
>> are called pits.
>>> 
>>> Dogs attack.  Yes, #notalldogs, but like many other things in our
>> society they can be beneficial, benign, or harmful, and they can change
>> from one to another without the people there understanding why.
>>> 
 
 J
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been
>> so much trouble with them here too - even people killed.
> 
> Alan C
>>> 
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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[lrc]

On November 22, 2017 11:21:39 AM PST, Jack Davis  wrote:
>Larry, why did you assign all of 
>these remarks to me?

I didn't.  Just your reply to Alan. 

I did reply in the proper format of interspersing comments with the statement I 
was commenting on. Perhaps your mail client is broken and shows my comments add 
coming from you, or shows Alan's add coming from you.


>
>Jack
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>> I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
>>> considered a dangerous animal with
>>> strict public ownership conditions and limitations.
>> 
>> There is a terrible amount of misinformation out there about pit
>bulls.  They aren't even a breed, there are several breeds of dog that
>are called pits.
>> 
>> Dogs attack.  Yes, #notalldogs, but like many other things in our
>society they can be beneficial, benign, or harmful, and they can change
>from one to another without the people there understanding why.
>> 
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:
 
 I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been
>so much trouble with them here too - even people killed.
 
 Alan C
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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Jack Davis]

Larry, why did you assign all of 
these remarks to me?

Jack


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
>> I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
>> considered a dangerous animal with
>> strict public ownership conditions and limitations.
> 
> There is a terrible amount of misinformation out there about pit bulls.  They 
> aren't even a breed, there are several breeds of dog that are called pits.
> 
> Dogs attack.  Yes, #notalldogs, but like many other things in our society 
> they can be beneficial, benign, or harmful, and they can change from one to 
> another without the people there understanding why.
> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
>>> trouble with them here too - even people killed.
>>> 
>>> Alan C
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Re: PESO: Dove of Peace

[David J Brooks]

Nice

On Nov 22, 2017 12:53 AM, "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

> The Oculus at the World Trade Center
>
> https://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/11/22/dove
>
> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Larry Colen]

Jack Davis wrote:

I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
considered a dangerous animal with
strict public ownership conditions and limitations.


There is a terrible amount of misinformation out there about pit bulls. 
 They aren't even a breed, there are several breeds of dog that are 
called pits.


Dogs attack.  Yes, #notalldogs, but like many other things in our 
society they can be beneficial, benign, or harmful, and they can change 
from one to another without the people there understanding why.




J

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:

I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
trouble with them here too - even people killed.

Alan C



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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[mike wilson]

The dogs are bred and trained.  It's the people who do it that are "like that".

> On 22 November 2017 at 14:39 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
> trouble with them here too - even people killed.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Daniel J. Matyola
> Sent: 22 November, 2017 3:19 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: In Memory of Calleigh
> 
> The police did not shoot her.
> 
> She was in tears.  Apparently the pit bull escaped through her front door,
> saw the little dog, and attacked. She tried to help separate the dogs, but
> was way too late.  She may have suffered some minor injuries, but only our
> friend, the owner of Calleigh, had to be taken to the hospital.
> 
> BTW, when they were at our house, Calleigh played with my 90 pound Malamute
> in our fenced pool patio, and they got along great.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> > What about the pit bull's owner?
> >
> >
> > On 11/21/2017 22:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >
> >> "That's appalling! Are the police involved?"
> >>
> >> The police shot the pit bull at the site of the attack.
> >>
> >> Dan Matyola
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:12 PM, William Robb <
> >> anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Nov 21, 2017 5:07 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 21/11/17, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>>
> >>> This precious little dog, owned by a dear friend of ours, was murdered 
> >>> by
> 
> >>> a
> >>>
>  pit bull yesterday on the Streets of Baltimore.  Her owner had surgery
>  yesterday, and should be released from the hospital today, although I
> 
> >>> don't
> >>>
>  know if she will be well enough to join us for Thanksgiving.
> 
>  Bandit loved Calleigh, and will miss her.
> 
>  https://www.photo.net/gallery/1107926#
> 
> >>>
> >>> That's appalling! Are the police involved?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Getting involved in a dog fight is a sure fire way to get seriously
> >>> injured
> >>> if you don't know what you are doing, and even if you do, it's a pretty
> >>> sure way to get injured.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>Cotty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and
> >>> ||  (O)  |Live Broadcast News
> >>> --
> >>> _
> >>>

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Re: Photo.net

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> The key to making photo.net behave is to work on your portfolio page, not in 
> a gallery. You can choose to have all your photos appear in portfolio or just 
> those from a single gallery. From ther you can manipulate them, replace them, 
> rename them, enter them in contests and more.

Ill try that

Dave
>
> Paul
>
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 7:22 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> I feel your pain. What i could do with the older interface in 1-2
>> clicks now seems to take a week to do.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>  wrote:
>>> Thanks, Paul.
>>>
>>> I was logged on, and viewing the gallery that contained the image I
>>> wanted.  (Yes, I have many, many galleries.)   It would not let me drag
>>> -- or right click on -- the image until, in the gallery view, I clicked on
>>> the "view in another window" button.  Once I did thatm I could just drag
>>> the image to my desktop.  All the other views of that image could not be
>>> copied.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Paul Stenquist 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You have to be logged in and on your portfolio page. Then at upper left
 where it says “Photos from Gallery,” choose the gallery you want. (I assume
 you have multiple galleries. Click on the photo you want to view and drag
 it to the desktop or right click it. If I’m not logged in and viewing my
 galleries as a guest, I can’t drag it to the desktop or right click it.

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
 wrote:
>
> That doesn't work, unless I first select "view in another window."  Then
 I
> can do it, but not from the usual view.
>
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
>
>> Simply open it and right click or drag it to the desktop.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is a way I can download an image from one of
 my
>>> photo.net galleries?
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Jack Davis]

I agree, Alan. Seems they should be
considered a dangerous animal with
strict public ownership conditions and limitations.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
> trouble with them here too - even people killed.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
> Sent: 22 November, 2017 3:19 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: In Memory of Calleigh
> 
> The police did not shoot her.
> 
> She was in tears.  Apparently the pit bull escaped through her front door,
> saw the little dog, and attacked. She tried to help separate the dogs, but
> was way too late.  She may have suffered some minor injuries, but only our
> friend, the owner of Calleigh, had to be taken to the hospital.
> 
> BTW, when they were at our house, Calleigh played with my 90 pound Malamute
> in our fenced pool patio, and they got along great.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 AM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> What about the pit bull's owner?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/21/2017 22:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> 
>>> "That's appalling! Are the police involved?"
>>> 
>>> The police shot the pit bull at the site of the attack.
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:12 PM, William Robb <
>>> anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 On Nov 21, 2017 5:07 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
 
 On 21/11/17, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 This precious little dog, owned by a dear friend of ours, was murdered by
 a
 
> pit bull yesterday on the Streets of Baltimore.  Her owner had surgery
> yesterday, and should be released from the hospital today, although I
 don't
 
> know if she will be well enough to join us for Thanksgiving.
> 
> Bandit loved Calleigh, and will miss her.
> 
> https://www.photo.net/gallery/1107926#
 
 That's appalling! Are the police involved?
 
 
 Getting involved in a dog fight is a sure fire way to get seriously
 injured
 if you don't know what you are doing, and even if you do, it's a pretty
 sure way to get injured.
 
 
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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Alan C]

I really don't know why people keep dogs like that. There has been so much 
trouble with them here too - even people killed.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: 22 November, 2017 3:19 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: In Memory of Calleigh

The police did not shoot her.

She was in tears.  Apparently the pit bull escaped through her front door,
saw the little dog, and attacked. She tried to help separate the dogs, but
was way too late.  She may have suffered some minor injuries, but only our
friend, the owner of Calleigh, had to be taken to the hospital.

BTW, when they were at our house, Calleigh played with my 90 pound Malamute
in our fenced pool patio, and they got along great.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 AM, John  wrote:


What about the pit bull's owner?


On 11/21/2017 22:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


"That's appalling! Are the police involved?"

The police shot the pit bull at the site of the attack.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:12 PM, William Robb <
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Nov 21, 2017 5:07 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:


On 21/11/17, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

This precious little dog, owned by a dear friend of ours, was murdered 
by



a


pit bull yesterday on the Streets of Baltimore.  Her owner had surgery
yesterday, and should be released from the hospital today, although I


don't


know if she will be well enough to join us for Thanksgiving.

Bandit loved Calleigh, and will miss her.

https://www.photo.net/gallery/1107926#



That's appalling! Are the police involved?


Getting involved in a dog fight is a sure fire way to get seriously
injured
if you don't know what you are doing, and even if you do, it's a pretty
sure way to get injured.


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Re: GESO: bike build

[Bob W-PDML]

On 22 Nov 2017, at 09:43, Chris Mitchell 
> wrote:

On 21 November 2017 at 23:37, Bob W-PDML 
> wrote:


The way to do it would be for you, me, Chris and any other over-the-hill,
ageing, has-been cyclists to meet the vigorous, mighty-thighed youngsters
at each checkpoint with a profusion of sustenance, then when they set off
we could pack up and cycle round to the next one ready to meet them when
they arrive. It'd be a lovely surprise for them to see all our smiling
faces at each checkpoint.


I'm not sure how that works.  How can we over-the-hill, ageing, has-beens
cycle to the next checkpoint before the athletic young'uns?


This is a story my grandfather told my father, which he told all his boys, who 
passed it on their sons. Only we use another word than 'service':

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Old%20Bull


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Re: OT Cloud storage

[Alex Sarbu]

Hello,
I'm trying to choose a cloud storage myself. Crashplan sounds
interesting if you have large amount of data - though, how large is
"unlimited"?
Cloud is nothing more than "someone else's computer"; trust is very
important, as Bill pointed out.

How I'm planning to do it: I bought a NAS unit (a QNAP TS431p,
inexpensive but can do a lot) for main, redundant storage. With the
ongoing ransomware epidemics, I want to give my PC as little access as
possible to the data (which a DAS or external drives can't do).
That cheap NAS has tons of neat features, I still have a lot to
explore. For example, it's now getting snapshots - the ability to
revert your data to just before that ransomware encrypted it. It can
also detect silent data corruption using RAID scrubbing (only with
non-degraded RAID 5 and 6 arrays - and some would say ZFS is a better
solution), and being a NAS I can access it from anywhere (even from my
mobile). It has sync folders between multiple devices - with
versioning.

The NAS unit itself can take care of backups, on external drives and
on the cloud.
As for a cloud, I've made no choice yet, I was thinking about Amazon
Glacier as I wouldn't need fast data access - nor something like an
"unlimited" storage.

I cannot stress enough the threat of ransomware (or other forms of
data corruption). Backups are useless if corrupted data overwrites
good data - use backup with versioning.
And use at least 2 backups - main storage, even on a NAS with
redundancy, doesn't count as a backup.

Have fun,
Alex

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> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
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Re: Photo.net

[Paul Stenquist]

The key to making photo.net behave is to work on your portfolio page, not in a 
gallery. You can choose to have all your photos appear in portfolio or just 
those from a single gallery. From ther you can manipulate them, replace them, 
rename them, enter them in contests and more.

Paul

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 7:22 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> I feel your pain. What i could do with the older interface in 1-2
> clicks now seems to take a week to do.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, Paul.
>> 
>> I was logged on, and viewing the gallery that contained the image I
>> wanted.  (Yes, I have many, many galleries.)   It would not let me drag
>> -- or right click on -- the image until, in the gallery view, I clicked on
>> the "view in another window" button.  Once I did thatm I could just drag
>> the image to my desktop.  All the other views of that image could not be
>> copied.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You have to be logged in and on your portfolio page. Then at upper left
>>> where it says “Photos from Gallery,” choose the gallery you want. (I assume
>>> you have multiple galleries. Click on the photo you want to view and drag
>>> it to the desktop or right click it. If I’m not logged in and viewing my
>>> galleries as a guest, I can’t drag it to the desktop or right click it.
>>> 
 On Nov 21, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> wrote:
 
 That doesn't work, unless I first select "view in another window."  Then
>>> I
 can do it, but not from the usual view.
 
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Paul Stenquist 
 wrote:
 
> Simply open it and right click or drag it to the desktop.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there is a way I can download an image from one of
>>> my
>> photo.net galleries?
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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The police did not shoot her.

She was in tears.  Apparently the pit bull escaped through her front door,
saw the little dog, and attacked. She tried to help separate the dogs, but
was way too late.  She may have suffered some minor injuries, but only our
friend, the owner of Calleigh, had to be taken to the hospital.

BTW, when they were at our house, Calleigh played with my 90 pound Malamute
in our fenced pool patio, and they got along great.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:06 AM, John  wrote:

> What about the pit bull's owner?
>
>
> On 11/21/2017 22:40, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> "That's appalling! Are the police involved?"
>>
>> The police shot the pit bull at the site of the attack.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:12 PM, William Robb <
>> anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2017 5:07 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 21/11/17, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>> This precious little dog, owned by a dear friend of ours, was murdered by

>>> a
>>>
 pit bull yesterday on the Streets of Baltimore.  Her owner had surgery
 yesterday, and should be released from the hospital today, although I

>>> don't
>>>
 know if she will be well enough to join us for Thanksgiving.

 Bandit loved Calleigh, and will miss her.

 https://www.photo.net/gallery/1107926#

>>>
>>> That's appalling! Are the police involved?
>>>
>>>
>>> Getting involved in a dog fight is a sure fire way to get seriously
>>> injured
>>> if you don't know what you are doing, and even if you do, it's a pretty
>>> sure way to get injured.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Cheers,
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>>>
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Re: Photo.net

[David J Brooks]

I feel your pain. What i could do with the older interface in 1-2
clicks now seems to take a week to do.

Dave

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
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> Thanks, Paul.
>
> I was logged on, and viewing the gallery that contained the image I
> wanted.  (Yes, I have many, many galleries.)   It would not let me drag
> -- or right click on -- the image until, in the gallery view, I clicked on
> the "view in another window" button.  Once I did thatm I could just drag
> the image to my desktop.  All the other views of that image could not be
> copied.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
>
>> You have to be logged in and on your portfolio page. Then at upper left
>> where it says “Photos from Gallery,” choose the gallery you want. (I assume
>> you have multiple galleries. Click on the photo you want to view and drag
>> it to the desktop or right click it. If I’m not logged in and viewing my
>> galleries as a guest, I can’t drag it to the desktop or right click it.
>>
>> > On Nov 21, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That doesn't work, unless I first select "view in another window."  Then
>> I
>> > can do it, but not from the usual view.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dan Matyola
>> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Paul Stenquist 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Simply open it and right click or drag it to the desktop.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anyone know if there is a way I can download an image from one of
>> my
>> >>> photo.net galleries?
>> >>>
>> >>> Dan Matyola
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Re: GESO: bike build

[Chris Mitchell]

>
>
>> The way to do it would be for you, me, Chris and any other over-the-hill,
>> ageing, has-been cyclists to meet the vigorous, mighty-thighed youngsters
>> at each checkpoint with a profusion of sustenance, then when they set off
>> we could pack up and cycle round to the next one ready to meet them when
>> they arrive. It'd be a lovely surprise for them to see all our smiling
>> faces at each checkpoint.
>>
>
> I'm not sure how that works.  How can we over-the-hill, ageing, has-beens
> cycle to the next checkpoint before the athletic young'uns?
>


Bugger. I've been kippered by a BobW joke.

I'll get him back.

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Re: GESO: bike build

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On 21 November 2017 at 23:37, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

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> The way to do it would be for you, me, Chris and any other over-the-hill,
> ageing, has-been cyclists to meet the vigorous, mighty-thighed youngsters
> at each checkpoint with a profusion of sustenance, then when they set off
> we could pack up and cycle round to the next one ready to meet them when
> they arrive. It'd be a lovely surprise for them to see all our smiling
> faces at each checkpoint.
>

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cycle to the next checkpoint before the athletic young'uns?

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