Re: Ten years

[P. J. Alling]

Congratulations Larry, you survived 10 years of the slings and arrows of 
owning and using the equipment from the third entry in a three horse 
race, to mix a metaphor.  Pentax has been the underdog for as long as I 
can remember, even back when they actually sold more actual product than 
Nikon or Canon.


Just remember, any idiot can shoot with Nikon or Canon equipment, it 
takes a special kind of idiot to shoot with Pentax.



On 11/28/2017 2:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Today marks ten years since I brought my K100Dsuper home from San Jose 
Camera.  A few months previously I had upgraded my Lumix FZ20 to an 
FZ50, which was in many ways a brilliant piece of kit. The zoom and 
focus rings on the barrel acted just like they would on a "real 
camera", the UI was overall wonderful to use, the lens was awesome, 
and in good light the image quality was great.  However, in lower 
light, the small size of the sensor showed its weaknesses, so when the 
FZ50 was lost when my girlfriend's car was stolen (we got the car back 
but not the stuff in it), I decided to look at low end DSLRs.
My theory was that I'd just buy an inexpensive camera, maybe not even 
buy much in the way of lenses for it, because I figured that in a few 
years camera bodies with the performance I wanted would become 
affordable.


My first forays to Best Buy and the ilk made it obvious that I really 
disliked the low end Canon.  The kit lens was so bad that feel of 
zooming and focusing practically made my lens crawl. Someone with a 
website, who seemed to know what he was talking about (I won't mention 
who but his last name rhymes with Rockwell) waxed eloquent about the 
Nikon D40.


I wandered into San Jose Camera, planning on buying a D40, and the 
salesman was talking about the advantages of Canon over Nikon. I was 
mulling this over because I really did not like the Canon when I 
overheard him discussing the Pentax with another customer. It turns 
out that using my legacy Nikon glass on the D40 was not trivial, the 
Pentax had the same sensor as the D40, built in image stabilization, a 
nicer kit lens, and cost less.


Long story shortened, I brought the K100 home, went from shooting 
maybe a couple hundred frames a month to wandering about with the 
camera any time I had a few minutes to kill and averaging about 100 a 
day. That weekend I realized that the kit lens on the K100 simply 
didn't work for low light dance photography and I ordered an FA31 the 
following week.


I suppose I could put together a collection that is a serious ten year 
retrospective, but I'm feeling lazy, so here's a set that goes almost 
that far back:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157682830861601/

And for more of the earlier, here's a book I put together just about 
seven years ago of my first three years since I got back into photography

http://www.blurb.com/b/1790067-three-years

I had spent some time hanging out in other fora, mostly the DP Pentax 
forum before I met John Francis and he pointed me at the PDML, so 
y'all can blame him. The PDML struck me as one of the few places where 
people who actually knew how to use their cameras outnumbered those 
that didn't. In most of the other fora, folks who had been using a 
DSLR for about six months and had recently learned how to use fast 
glass and misuse the word bokeh were the experts that gave everyone 
else advice.


I found that looking at other people's photos, and particularly 
reading the critiques of them helped my own photography tremendously. 
Also when taking a photo that wasn't in a style I normally shot 
thinking about how someone in particular from PDML who did a lot of 
that sort of photography was a great place for me to start when 
figuring out how to take it.


In some ways it's kind of a silly anniversary to mark, but I do want 
to credit and thank y'all for the help in whatever artistic (if not 
social) growth I've managed to achieve in the past decade.




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Re: The monitor saga continues

[P. J. Alling]

I have no nifty hardware.  So it wouldn't be much of an upgrade, 
probably going in the wrong direction actually.  I wish you luck in your 
quest for video Nirvana,  Someday I too have hopes of owning a decent 
video card, I had a superior monitor, but sadly it was a CRT and in 
spite of being repairable, can find no one willing to repair it.



On 11/28/2017 6:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
I was able to pick up a Samsung U28E510 IPS 4K monitor at costco for 
$300.


The downside is that the Radeon 5770 card in my 2009 4,1 mac pro won't 
drive it at full resolution but only at 2560x1440.  In theory I can 
throw a couple hundred more dollars at the problem, pick up a newer 
graphics card and life will be golden.  There is also the chance that 
lightroom would also be able to offload some more of the processing on 
the GPUs, speeding everything up a bit.


Anybody have thoughts, experience, or nifty hardware they're looking 
to sell cheaply to solve this issue?




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Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

[Alan C]

We could do with some of that.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: 28 November, 2017 8:55 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Unsettled Weather



This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.

This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.

C?
Thanks!

https://www.photo.net/photo/18440170

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Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Dan!

J

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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 8:03:05 PM
Subject: Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

Strong mood.

Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
> Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.
>
> This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.
>
> C?
> Thanks!
>
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18440170
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Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Strong mood.

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
> Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.
>
> This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.
>
> C?
> Thanks!
>
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18440170
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Re: PESO - Tommy

[John]

So, I take it that's not something from the Who's rock opera?

On 11/27/2017 19:39, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Wow. Great shot.

Never found him funny myself though.


On 28 Nov 2017, at 00:34, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

A brief visit to Exeter and a walk in the dusk before dinner.



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Re: PESO 2017 - Godfrey On Travel - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks everyone! :-)

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Nice shot. Would like to have seen more crater. You're shrinking.

Thank you for noticing! 

I've gained about 10-15 lbs of muscle mass while losing 40+ lbs on the scale, 
according to my physician. The ebike I bought in April shows 1000 miles on the 
odometer now. When I got it, I needed the electrics to be able to ride at all. 
Now I often go out for a 10-15 mile ride and forget to turn the electrics on… 
:-) 

My goal is to let go of another 60 lbs weight while continuing to increase 
muscle mass, stamina, and flexibility. It's going at the rate of about 1 to 1.5 
lbs per week; by next August I'll be near where I want at this rate. 

I have a nice stitched panorama across the entire crater coming up. I should be 
posting it in a day or so … 

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> 
>> On 28 Nov 2017, at 19:04, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> While driving back from Houston, I stopped to see Meteor Crater in Arizona. 
>> While there, I saw a guy who had a nice Nikon camera and looked like he knew 
>> what he was doing with it. So I set up my camera for focus and exposure and 
>> asked him to snap my picture. It worked! I thought this was one of the 
>> better portraits of me made in recent years … and, stupidly, I forgot to get 
>> his name and address so I could send him a thank you note. Doh! :-)
>> 
>> Godfrey On Travel - Meteor Crater 2017 : https://flic.kr/p/ZBKuXx


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Re: The monitor saga continues

[Paul Stenquist]

Check out OWC for deals in used macs. You could probably plug in a much faster 
machine for 5 or 6 Benjamins.

Paul

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I was able to pick up a Samsung U28E510 IPS 4K monitor at costco for $300.
> 
> The downside is that the Radeon 5770 card in my 2009 4,1 mac pro won't drive 
> it at full resolution but only at 2560x1440.  In theory I can throw a couple 
> hundred more dollars at the problem, pick up a newer graphics card and life 
> will be golden.  There is also the chance that lightroom would also be able 
> to offload some more of the processing on the GPUs, speeding everything up a 
> bit.
> 
> Anybody have thoughts, experience, or nifty hardware they're looking to sell 
> cheaply to solve this issue?
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The monitor saga continues

[Larry Colen]

I was able to pick up a Samsung U28E510 IPS 4K monitor at costco for $300.

The downside is that the Radeon 5770 card in my 2009 4,1 mac pro won't 
drive it at full resolution but only at 2560x1440.  In theory I can 
throw a couple hundred more dollars at the problem, pick up a newer 
graphics card and life will be golden.  There is also the chance that 
lightroom would also be able to offload some more of the processing on 
the GPUs, speeding everything up a bit.


Anybody have thoughts, experience, or nifty hardware they're looking to 
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Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Ann! 

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> what larry said
> ann
> 
>> On 11/28/2017 2:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Very nice
>> 
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>> 
>>> This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
>>> Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.
>>> 
>>> This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.
>>> 
>>> C?
>>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Sorry, I'm afraid I can't think of any way to make it better.
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18440170
>>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO 2017 - Godfrey On Travel - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

yup nice photo of you - and you look so happy!
ann

On 11/28/2017 2:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

While driving back from Houston, I stopped to see Meteor Crater in Arizona. 
While there, I saw a guy who had a nice Nikon camera and looked like he knew 
what he was doing with it. So I set up my camera for focus and exposure and 
asked him to snap my picture. It worked! I thought this was one of the better 
portraits of me made in recent years … and, stupidly, I forgot to get his name 
and address so I could send him a thank you note. Doh! :-)

Godfrey On Travel - Meteor Crater 2017 : https://flic.kr/p/ZBKuXx

enjoy!
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Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

[ann sanfedele]

what larry said
ann

On 11/28/2017 2:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Very nice

Jack Davis wrote:


This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.

This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.

C?
Thanks!


Sorry, I'm afraid I can't think of any way to make it better.


https://www.photo.net/photo/18440170






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Re: GESO moss landing

[Larry Colen]

Richard got back from his trip to Death Valley and commented on a few of 
the photos.



ann sanfedele wrote:

Glad you posted all the specific bird info from your friend ID's...
Easy recognizeable for me were the stilt and the Egrets and the Great
Blue of course
  thought your Grebe was Western Grebe . I wasnt sure about the female
blackbird (thought cowbird? I get those confused . Yellow legs are
tricky indeed!  It is a kind of bird watchers joke... Had no idea about
those.
Wasn't going to comment until I could come up with more ID's but you got
'em

Too bad the Grebe was so far away -- they really seem to know you are
trying to get a shot..
Enjoyed the whole bunch of 'em - I'm sure you will prune out some of the
near dups in the future
to make it a bit more manageable..

I wonder if you friend knows about this book:  It's hillarious - you'd
enjoy it too...
https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Little-Known-Seldom-Seen-America/dp/0934601585


I thought of it because of the yellowlegs especially... :-)


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/38566093736

Greater Yellowlegs. The very similar Lesser Yellowlegs has a straighter 
bill that is not nearly as long in relation to the width of the bird's head.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/38590094162
This is an immature White-crowned Sparrow. A young Golden-crowned 
Sparrow would have a darker cap without such a distinct line behind the eye.




ann


On 11/24/2017 4:39 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Larry Colen wrote:

I spent a bit of time yesterday playing with the bigma on the K-3II at
Moss Landing. I got a bunch of a great egret right by hwy 1, a couple
snow egrets, something grey, a bunch of LBBs and one of a sea otter.
I don't have any stand out amazing ones, but a fair number that are
clear enough to ID the birds.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157690939491486


I posted a link to facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ellarsee/posts/10155971366479673

And a friend took a go at IDing the birds:

You are right about the egrets, great shots all around! After the
first series of Great Egrets, you caught photos of a Clark's Grebe
(look up the similar species Western Grebe), followed by a
Black-necked Stilt (who has really long legs, but its standing in
water so it doesn't look tall in your photos). Next bird looks like a
female Brewer's Blackbird, but blackbirds are tricky... The stripe-y
sparrow looks like a Golden-crowned Sparrow, followed by the Snowy
Egrets. The one after that is tricky, but I think it's a Yellowlegs
who is hiding it's distinctive bright yellow legs. They come in two
sizes and can be hard to tell apart. The Great Blue Heron is the last
bird in your series. Looks like you had a great day! Thanks for
tagging me! It was fun to ID the shorebirds hiding their legs.











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Re: PESO 2017 - Godfrey On Travel - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

Nice shot. Would like to have seen more crater. You're shrinking.

> On 28 Nov 2017, at 19:04, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> While driving back from Houston, I stopped to see Meteor Crater in Arizona. 
> While there, I saw a guy who had a nice Nikon camera and looked like he knew 
> what he was doing with it. So I set up my camera for focus and exposure and 
> asked him to snap my picture. It worked! I thought this was one of the better 
> portraits of me made in recent years … and, stupidly, I forgot to get his 
> name and address so I could send him a thank you note. Doh! :-)
> 
> Godfrey On Travel - Meteor Crater 2017 : https://flic.kr/p/ZBKuXx
> 
> enjoy! 
> G
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Re: PESO 2017 - Godfrey On Travel - GDG

[Jack Davis]

Nice, well composed image!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> While driving back from Houston, I stopped to see Meteor Crater in Arizona. 
> While there, I saw a guy who had a nice Nikon camera and looked like he knew 
> what he was doing with it. So I set up my camera for focus and exposure and 
> asked him to snap my picture. It worked! I thought this was one of the better 
> portraits of me made in recent years … and, stupidly, I forgot to get his 
> name and address so I could send him a thank you note. Doh! :-)
> 
> Godfrey On Travel - Meteor Crater 2017 : https://flic.kr/p/ZBKuXx
> 
> enjoy! 
> G
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Re: 3 Dove species

[Alan C]

Thanks Dan.

We have several species of doves/pigeons all of which have easily 
identifiable calls but I wouldn't say any are really irritating. The guinea 
fowl make a hell of a racket at dawn & dusk. We have so many bird species I 
thing we become immune.  I know city pigeons can be a nuisance & I've heard 
about mourning doves. The larger Rock Pigeon (Kranzduif) is an agricultural 
pest, replacing the feral city pigeons in the rural areas. Large flocks can 
devastate sunflower crops.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: 28 November, 2017 4:32 PM
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Interesting image and nice description.

ARe the doves as noisy as they are in the Northern Hemisphere?  Hawaii has
two species of mourning doves, and they cause a racket almost everywhere,
especially at dawn and twilight.  Several years back, a pair of mourning
doves nested under the air conditioner outside our bedroom, and disturbed
our sleep until I finally put a little fencing around the area.


Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:59 AM, Alan C  wrote:


Doves arrive (like Jackals) after the Guinea Fowl have eaten their fill.
The large ones with neck-bands are a Cape Turtle Dove & a red Eyed Dove.
The smaller ones, by far the most common, are Laughing Doves. As you can
see, my lawn is in desperate need on rain.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/26920778309/

K5 with the HD 55-300

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PESO 2017 - Godfrey On Travel - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

While driving back from Houston, I stopped to see Meteor Crater in Arizona. 
While there, I saw a guy who had a nice Nikon camera and looked like he knew 
what he was doing with it. So I set up my camera for focus and exposure and 
asked him to snap my picture. It worked! I thought this was one of the better 
portraits of me made in recent years … and, stupidly, I forgot to get his name 
and address so I could send him a thank you note. Doh! :-)

Godfrey On Travel - Meteor Crater 2017 : https://flic.kr/p/ZBKuXx

enjoy! 
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Re: Peso-Unsettled Weather

[Larry Colen]

Very nice

Jack Davis wrote:


This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.

This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.

C?
Thanks!


Sorry, I'm afraid I can't think of any way to make it better.


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Ten years

[Larry Colen]

Today marks ten years since I brought my K100Dsuper home from San Jose 
Camera.  A few months previously I had upgraded my Lumix FZ20 to an 
FZ50, which was in many ways a brilliant piece of kit. The zoom and 
focus rings on the barrel acted just like they would on a "real camera", 
the UI was overall wonderful to use, the lens was awesome, and in good 
light the image quality was great.  However, in lower light, the small 
size of the sensor showed its weaknesses, so when the FZ50 was lost when 
my girlfriend's car was stolen (we got the car back but not the stuff in 
it), I decided to look at low end DSLRs.
My theory was that I'd just buy an inexpensive camera, maybe not even 
buy much in the way of lenses for it, because I figured that in a few 
years camera bodies with the performance I wanted would become affordable.


My first forays to Best Buy and the ilk made it obvious that I really 
disliked the low end Canon.  The kit lens was so bad that feel of 
zooming and focusing practically made my lens crawl.  Someone with a 
website, who seemed to know what he was talking about (I won't mention 
who but his last name rhymes with Rockwell) waxed eloquent about the 
Nikon D40.


I wandered into San Jose Camera, planning on buying a D40, and the 
salesman was talking about the advantages of Canon over Nikon. I was 
mulling this over because I really did not like the Canon when I 
overheard him discussing the Pentax with another customer. It turns out 
that using my legacy Nikon glass on the D40 was not trivial, the Pentax 
had the same sensor as the D40, built in image stabilization, a nicer 
kit lens, and cost less.


Long story shortened, I brought the K100 home, went from shooting maybe 
a couple hundred frames a month to wandering about with the camera any 
time I had a few minutes to kill and averaging about 100 a day. That 
weekend I realized that the kit lens on the K100 simply didn't work for 
low light dance photography and I ordered an FA31 the following week.


I suppose I could put together a collection that is a serious ten year 
retrospective, but I'm feeling lazy, so here's a set that goes almost 
that far back:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157682830861601/

And for more of the earlier, here's a book I put together just about 
seven years ago of my first three years since I got back into photography

http://www.blurb.com/b/1790067-three-years

I had spent some time hanging out in other fora, mostly the DP Pentax 
forum before I met John Francis and he pointed me at the PDML, so y'all 
can blame him. The PDML struck me as one of the few places where people 
who actually knew how to use their cameras outnumbered those that 
didn't. In most of the other fora, folks who had been using a DSLR for 
about six months and had recently learned how to use fast glass and 
misuse the word bokeh were the experts that gave everyone else advice.


I found that looking at other people's photos, and particularly reading 
the critiques of them helped my own photography tremendously. Also when 
taking a photo that wasn't in a style I normally shot thinking about how 
someone in particular from PDML who did a lot of that sort of 
photography was a great place for me to start when figuring out how to 
take it.


In some ways it's kind of a silly anniversary to mark, but I do want to 
credit and thank y'all for the help in whatever artistic (if not social) 
growth I've managed to achieve in the past decade.


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Peso-Unsettled Weather

[Jack Davis]

This AM at CA Gray Lodge Wildlife Area.
Thick fog for awhile that finally broke up.

This shot with back-up K5/DA16x45.

C? 
Thanks!

https://www.photo.net/photo/18440170

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Re: 4K monitors

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Generally, the electronics at Costco is the top of the line.


It was more a question of how well some of the new technologies work, 
OLED vs QLED vs IPS particularly for color reproduction etc.





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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Today's big steaming pile of shit I don't need is that my Dell U3014
(primary photo processing) monitor seems to have crapped out.
The other day I noticed that there were some pretty decent looking, and
very large (45-55") 4K displays at Costco in the $300 range.
Would these just suck in terms of color, dynamic range etc?
What would it take to drive them?
I've got an early 2009 mac pro with the radeon 5700 video card.  It won't,
of course, drive my apple thunderbolt display.

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Re: PESO - Tommy

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W-PDML wrote:

>Whenever I've seen him I just completely fail to see anything funny in 
>anything he does. 
>I know what the joke is supposed to be, but it's just not funny.

Seconded.
 
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Re: 4K monitors

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Generally, the electronics at Costco is the top of the line.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> Today's big steaming pile of shit I don't need is that my Dell U3014
> (primary photo processing) monitor seems to have crapped out.
> The other day I noticed that there were some pretty decent looking, and
> very large (45-55") 4K displays at Costco in the $300 range.
> Would these just suck in terms of color, dynamic range etc?
> What would it take to drive them?
> I've got an early 2009 mac pro with the radeon 5700 video card.  It won't,
> of course, drive my apple thunderbolt display.
>
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Re: PESO - Tommy

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I prefer high-class British humor, like Benny Hill and Mr Bean.


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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:48 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> On 28 Nov 2017, at 00:58, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> >
> > On 28/11/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >> Wow. Great shot.
> >
> > Thanks Bob, that means a lot.
> >
> >> Never found him funny myself though.
> >
> > Not even when he out a policeman's helmet on his head and says 'copper',
> then puts another one on top if the first and says 'tuppence' ?
> >
>
> Especially when he does that. Whenever I've seen him I just completely
> fail to see anything funny in anything he does. I know what the joke is
> supposed to be, but it's just not funny.
>
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Re: PESO: 3 Dove species

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Interesting image and nice description.

ARe the doves as noisy as they are in the Northern Hemisphere?  Hawaii has
two species of mourning doves, and they cause a racket almost everywhere,
especially at dawn and twilight.  Several years back, a pair of mourning
doves nested under the air conditioner outside our bedroom, and disturbed
our sleep until I finally put a little fencing around the area.


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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:59 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> Doves arrive (like Jackals) after the Guinea Fowl have eaten their fill.
> The large ones with neck-bands are a Cape Turtle Dove & a red Eyed Dove.
> The smaller ones, by far the most common, are Laughing Doves. As you can
> see, my lawn is in desperate need on rain.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/26920778309/
>
> K5 with the HD 55-300
>
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Re: 1 Tb SSDs $258 at Other World Computing

[Paul Stenquist]

My faith in you is restored!

Paul

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:59 AM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am aware of that.
> 
> Ken was saying that $80 was cheap for a 1TB rotating rust drive;
> I was pointing out that that wasn't really particularly cheap.
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 09:54:09PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Those are spinny drives, John. This is an SSD.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
 On Nov 27, 2017, at 9:50 PM, John Francis  wrote:
 
 On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 07:55:54PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote:
 
 
 Subject: Re: 1 Tb SSDs $258 at Other World Computing
 
 
 Oops, I thought what I bought was an SSD device, but upon checking I find 
 it is not - I stand corrected. Still very cheap for 1 TB of storage and I 
 really have no issue with with the speed.
>>> 
>>> Not all that cheap - 1TB drives start at around $50 - $60 nowadays; 2TB 
>>> around $20 more,
>>> and 4TB $30 above that.
>>> 
>>> That's for external drives in a USB3.0 enclosure; internal drives are 
>>> slightly cheaper
>>> (except that, strangely, the cheapes 4TB internal drive I found cost $120).
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PESO: 3 Dove species

[Alan C]

Doves arrive (like Jackals) after the Guinea Fowl have eaten their fill. The 
large ones with neck-bands are a Cape Turtle Dove & a red Eyed Dove. The 
smaller ones, by far the most common, are Laughing Doves. As you can see, my 
lawn is in desperate need on rain.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/26920778309/

K5 with the HD 55-300

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