Re: Pentax KP

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, everyone!  I’m so out of touch with Pentax gear; it’s embarrassing.  I 
was also stunned to hear about Canon and Nikon’s shift to mirrorless cameras.  
I hope to give all my gear a workout for the next couple of weeks.  I have a 
few photo-homework-assignments in mind with the hope of getting my photog-eye 
back into shape.

Cheers, Christine 

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Pete McIntosh  wrote:
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Christine Aguila" 
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> Sent: 28/09/20 9:56:06
> Subject: Pentax KP
> 
>> Hi all!
>> Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
>> If so, thoughts?
>> Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
> I've got one. I second everything Toine said, including getting extra 
> batteries.
> 
> I use mine with the DA 15mm, 21mm and 40mm lenses and love it. It's my 
> lockdown walkabout camera.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Pete Mac in Melbourne
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Bruce Walker]

I like cream with my bokeh.

I've been using that 67 105mm f:2.4 with my 645Z and the results are
wonderful. It makes a terrific portrait short tele on the 645 format.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 5:25 PM Mark C  wrote:
>
> Lens design has a lot to do with how bokeh is rendered. I've been
> shooting film almost exclusively this year, a lot with a Pentax 6x7 and
> 105mm f2.4. That lens  seems to have been designed to produce the most
> beautiful creamy bokeh possible. I also use a Ricoh Diacord TLR, a 6x6
> TLR with a f3.5 Tessar design lens.  The results are incredibly sharp
> but you really can't get a smooth bokeh. Forms clump together and
> highlights in particular render as circles with almost crisp
> circumferences. Each lens has its own purpose. The Pentax lens lets you
> easily isolate a subject against a soft background, giving the nice 3d
> look. But the Diacord is almost magical in creating the appearance of
> infinite depth of field, even when only stopped down to f8 or even f5.6.
>
> I think one issue is that there is no real agreement about what makes
> for a "good" bokeh. The lens in the Diacord seems to have pretty typical
> Tessar type characteristics, including the "clumpy" bokeh. But a lot of
> folks seem to like that - especially in the rendering of specular
> highlights.  Others look for a creamy bokeh with everything running
> together.
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/27/2020 1:54 PM, Toine wrote:
> > Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
> > glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
> > Zooms have a busy bokeh.
> >
> > https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses
> >
> > I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider
> >
> > On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 18:46 Paul Stenquist,  wrote:
> >
> >> What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
> >> primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
> >> control over DOF.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> >> wrote:
> >>> That certainly does "pop"!
> >>>
> >>> Dan Matyola
> >>> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:
> 
>  I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
>  should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
> 
> 
> >> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
>  I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because
> >> it
>  pops.
> 
>  Do I need new glasses?
> 
>  Toine
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Re: International Observe the Moon Night

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:38 AM, John Francis  wrote:
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> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 07:03:07PM -0500, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> I thought several PDMLers might be curious.
> 
> Many of them are downright weird, if you ask me!

That statement implies that some are not.


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Re: Pentax KP

[Pete McIntosh]

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Sent: 28/09/20 9:56:06
Subject: Pentax KP


Hi all!
Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
If so, thoughts?
Cheers, Christine


I've got one. I second everything Toine said, including getting extra 
batteries.


I use mine with the DA 15mm, 21mm and 40mm lenses and love it. It's my 
lockdown walkabout camera.


Ciao,

Pete Mac in Melbourne



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Re: International Observe the Moon Night

[ann sanfedele]

whddaya mean "them" ? ;-)
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On 9/28/2020 2:38 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 07:03:07PM -0500, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

I thought several PDMLers might be curious.

Many of them are downright weird, if you ask me!



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Re: Pentax KP

[Bruce Walker]

We who pay for stuff with the Candian Peso don't have the luxury of
forgetting that exchange rate thing. Grrr.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:37 PM  wrote:
>
> Oops,  forgot about that 35% exchange rate thing
>
> On September 28, 2020 10:11:39 AM PDT, Bill  
> wrote:
> >On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 10:06 a.m. ,  wrote:
> >
> >> Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?
> >
> >
> >In my world, the price drops on camera bodies that are a couple of
> >years
> >old. Thats why people on forums often say they will wait for the price
> >to
> >come down prior to buying.
> >I'm not sure if that happens in your world or not.
> >Expect the next Pentax full frame to be closer to $3k at release.
> >Right now, the K1 mkII body is right in the $2.5k range. That's Can$,
> >not
> >FSA$, BTW.
> >
> >bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen, 
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
> >> >the
> >> >> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
> >> >expect it
> >> >> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around
> >$2.5k.
> >> >>
> >> >> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
> >> >Nikon
> >> >gets to charge for their cameras.
> >> >That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put
> >them
> >> >into the loving embrace of Hoya.
> >> >Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
> >> >
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Re: International Observe the Moon Night

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On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 07:03:07PM -0500, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
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> I thought several PDMLers might be curious.

Many of them are downright weird, if you ask me!

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Re: Pentax KP

[lrc]

Oops,  forgot about that 35% exchange rate thing

On September 28, 2020 10:11:39 AM PDT, Bill  wrote:
>On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 10:06 a.m. ,  wrote:
>
>> Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?
>
>
>In my world, the price drops on camera bodies that are a couple of
>years
>old. Thats why people on forums often say they will wait for the price
>to
>come down prior to buying.
>I'm not sure if that happens in your world or not.
>Expect the next Pentax full frame to be closer to $3k at release.
>Right now, the K1 mkII body is right in the $2.5k range. That's Can$,
>not
>FSA$, BTW.
>
>bill
>
>
>
>
>> On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill
>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen, 
>wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
>> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
>> >the
>> >> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
>> >expect it
>> >> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around
>$2.5k.
>> >>
>> >> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
>> >Nikon
>> >gets to charge for their cameras.
>> >That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put
>them
>> >into the loving embrace of Hoya.
>> >Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
>> >
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Re: Pentax KP

[Bill]

On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 10:06 a.m. ,  wrote:

> Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?


In my world, the price drops on camera bodies that are a couple of years
old. Thats why people on forums often say they will wait for the price to
come down prior to buying.
I'm not sure if that happens in your world or not.
Expect the next Pentax full frame to be closer to $3k at release.
Right now, the K1 mkII body is right in the $2.5k range. That's Can$, not
FSA$, BTW.

bill




> On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill 
> wrote:
> >On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
> >the
> >> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
> >expect it
> >> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
> >>
> >> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
> >Nikon
> >gets to charge for their cameras.
> >That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put them
> >into the loving embrace of Hoya.
> >Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
> >
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Re: Pentax KP

[Henk Terhell]

In my opinion probably not more expensive than the XT-4 which is $1.6k.

Henk

Op 2020-09-28 om 04:06 schreef Bill:

On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 5:56 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:


Hi all!
Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
If so, thoughts?
Cheers, Christine


Pentax Forums has a section devoted to that body. It seems to be well
enough liked.
Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.

bill




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Re: Pentax KP

[lrc]

Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?

On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill  wrote:
>On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
>wrote:
>> >
>> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
>the
>> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
>expect it
>> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
>>
>> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>>
>
>Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
>Nikon
>gets to charge for their cameras.
>That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put them
>into the loving embrace of Hoya.
>Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
>
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Re: PESO: common bluetail

[Toine]

Yes! another beauty. If it wasn't for Linnaeus we would be very confused :)

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 17:57, Henk Terhell  wrote:
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> Subash, I guess this is the regional species that is similar to the
> ischnura elegans, a common species in whole Europe and also called
> common bluetail in English.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2020-09-28 om 15:56 schreef Subash Jeyan:
> > one more bug, a damselfly this time:
> >
> > http://something-feathered.in/2020/09/28/common-bluetail/
> >
> > this is the common bluetail endemic to asia/africa (Ischnura
> > senegalensis). this is a cropped image.
> >
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> > small, light and sharp.
> >
> > comments appreciated.
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Re: PESO: common bluetail

[Henk Terhell]

Subash, I guess this is the regional species that is similar to the 
ischnura elegans, a common species in whole Europe and also called 
common bluetail in English.


Henk

Op 2020-09-28 om 15:56 schreef Subash Jeyan:

one more bug, a damselfly this time:

http://something-feathered.in/2020/09/28/common-bluetail/

this is the common bluetail endemic to asia/africa (Ischnura
senegalensis). this is a cropped image.

gear: k3ii and the FA 100/3.5, which i am getting to like quite a bit.
small, light and sharp.

comments appreciated.




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Re: PESO: common bluetail

[Daniel J. Matyola]

One more outstanding image.

Dan Matyola
*https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
*



On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:57 AM Subash Jeyan  wrote:

> one more bug, a damselfly this time:
>
> http://something-feathered.in/2020/09/28/common-bluetail/
>
> this is the common bluetail endemic to asia/africa (Ischnura
> senegalensis). this is a cropped image.
>
> gear: k3ii and the FA 100/3.5, which i am getting to like quite a bit.
> small, light and sharp.
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PESO: common bluetail

[Subash Jeyan]

one more bug, a damselfly this time:

http://something-feathered.in/2020/09/28/common-bluetail/

this is the common bluetail endemic to asia/africa (Ischnura
senegalensis). this is a cropped image.

gear: k3ii and the FA 100/3.5, which i am getting to like quite a bit.
small, light and sharp. 

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Re: Pentax KP

[Bill]

On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:

>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >
> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
>
> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>

Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what Nikon
gets to charge for their cameras.
That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put them
into the loving embrace of Hoya.
Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.

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