vacation
Hi guys Not that I've been particularly active on the list recently but I'm going on vacation and un-subbing for a week. See you after Labor day (US Holiday) Hopefully will have some pictures Play nice :) Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Hummingbird help
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: RE: Hummingbird help I don't quite understand why a flash is viewed as needed when their wings typically beat 100 times per second. It would seem that shutter speed alone would capture it (though I've shot at 1/250 before and have still seen motion blur in the wings). I'm no scientist or mathematician but you figure even the smallest hummingbird has at least 2 movement at the tip of his wings, so each beat is moving 4 (2 down,2up) X 100 times a second, that's a lot of movement. So it does not surprise me that the average SLR shutter speed (1/4000 or less) will not freeze the motion. As others have mentioned electronic flash duration can be significantly shorter then that. When I took my camera to baseball games 1/1000 second was not fast enough to freeze a fast ball, it was only when I got the Z-1p and was able to shoot 1/4000 - 1/8000 was I able to freeze the ball and I think a hummingbird's wings move faster then a baseball. For what it's worth Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: photo dot net thread mentioning the pdml
I responded. Do we know this wigwam person? Can't recall ever seeing him here. Perhaps he's a lurker. Paul I remember him from a year or so ago. He was on for a few months. I can't remember anything we did to piss him off. Seemed like an ok guy, definitely no B.D. or Mafud Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
: Re: fine art print sizes without cropping (RE: Holy Crap --Pentax 10MP body
If God had meant for us to produce anything but 4x6 prints he would not have invented the minilab. -- graywolf MARK!!! Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
I'll play How about using the anti shake mechanism to provide perspective control like a PC lens. Butch I'm a day behind on the digest, so if this has been suggested already, sorry. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body
Could it be something as simple as a removable prism with the ability to be used as a waist level finder? Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Antishake, Pentax style
Yes, but at least you don't need a freight car to transport the lens Butch Slight confusion with the units there! But even at 6,800 gms it's heavy. John On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:01:41 +0100, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Forbes Subject: Re: Antishake, Pentax style Point taken; I've just looked up the weight. 6,800 kgs. My word, and little old me can handhold it. You want to get in shape, become a contractor. HAR!!! William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: true colors
I'm obsessed with my new roomie :) ann Mike Johnson notwithstanding, cats are very addictive creatures. Cute photo Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: global warming and Re: New telephoto lenses?
Yet, you could not believe all the trees when you were out here. I believe you, Marnie, the environment in San Francisco has deteriorated vastly in your lifetime. I on the other hand having grown up in places like Detroit, and Buffalo am amazed at how much better things are now. You can actually swim in the Great Lakes and eat the fish for instance. The same is true in the Northeast. The air is cleaner and the Charles River is clean enough for safe water activities Dave S wrote; And how do you propose we control population growth? Implementation of a 2 child policy? mandatory abortions for a third pregnancy? Or maybe we need another world war to cull down the numbers. It's not that I disagree that the worlds population is getting out of hand, but it's easier to control the mechanical problem (ie pollution) first, then focus on global overcrowding. One significant problem is that as world population grows and becomes more industrialized and it's population becomes more middle class they produce more pollution and waste. The good news is at that point they seem to have less children. I liken world over population to keeping fish in an aquarium. There is an ideal amount of fish to litre capacity. You can safely exceed that a bit with good filtration and diligent housekeeping of the tank. At some point the population becomes too much for the tank, but everything seems to be ok. Then you add another fish, or miss a couple tank cleanings, all Hell breaks loose and you loose a lot of the fish. The world's population has tripled in my lifetime (born in 1951) That's 3x the mouths to feed and my understanding is a significant amount of those go hungry. My point is that it is a complex, many faceted problem that is not going to be solved by focusing on just ones aspect of the problem My 2¢ I'll get off my soapbox now Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE:PESO: new arrival
Cute. But I think you're going to have a hard time getting her to pay half the rent and do half the chores :) Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
With the brush on top of it's hood, it reminds me a bit of Marvin the Martian (my favorite Looney Tunes Character ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Do not warm colours
I doubt that minilabs are consistent. A couple of month ago, the guy at the place where I get films developed and printed was switching from AGFA to FUJI paper and on his desk were a couple of test pictures (just ordinary snapshots!) with different colour settings. He was deciding the setting by judging the different results. The settings of the next minilab user will most probably deviate from his settings. Groeten, Vic If you were lucky they were working on balancing the channels for the new paper. Most minilabs have a master paper balance and then separate film channels which adjust from there. If done right you should get as good results once finished. If, on the other hand. the tech was just doing a quick and dirty test to see what adjustments to make while printing, then your fears of inconsistency with different operators is well founded. Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers
Bob W wrote A4 dye-sub printers seem to be at a reasonably affordable price point nowadays, compared to when I last bought a photo printer. What are the pros and cons of each type of printer? I am not particularly interested in buying a printer that does larger than A4 since I only rarely need a larger print. In particular, are there any special requirements for colour management with dye-sub printers that are not relevant for inkjet photo printers, and vice versa? Technically a dye sub is a continuous tone print, but with today's photo ink jet printers you won't notice the difference. The down side to dye sub is that they often don't do good deep blacks, their media cost is higher and paper surfaces are limited, and you are locked into that manufacturer's media offerings. They may or may not have good profiles. I would go with a good photo ink jet printer using pigmented inks that has good support for profiles. Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: Pros and cons of dye-sub and inkjet printers Thanks for the replies. The reason I will need 2 is that I want to be able to print black white as well as colour, and it seems to be considered best to use separate inkjets for this to avoid cross-contamination of inks. I don't think this applies to dye-subs because of the nature of the method. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has experience using dye-sub printers, and who can let me know what the day-to-day issues are with them. I know that the Epson I already have, which I haven't used for years, was very prone to blocked nozzles, didn't like to be left unused for what I consider short periods of time, drank too much ink, and in uneven amounts so I had to throw away cartridges which still had ink in some reservoirs, etc. etc. Dye Sub, no matter how you look at it, is a colour printing process. I found it almost impossible to keep our dye subs neutral enough for black and white printing. They are very prone to dust specks getting imbedded under the dye layers. The colour response tends towards garishness, and the red response generally leaves much to be desired. I believe they are quite expensive to run, though whether more or less pricey than an inkjet I don't know. William Robb The sticky side of my brain is telling me I read about a photo ink jet printer that used 3 black cartridges black, lt black, lt lt black and gave very good bw results with it. I think it was either Canon or HP. If it uses pigmented inks and comes in an A4 size I would look into it. Also I would not buy an in jet printer that did not use separate cartridges for each color. Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT (sort of) Samsung GX 1S review
Hi Guys FYI there is a review of the Samsung GX 1S from DCResource www.dcresource.com From a quick reading it looks like they increased the sharpening and saturation from the Pentax levels and possibly their highest quality jpeg may have less compression. Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Advice on Hummingbird Nest
Malcolm Smith wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote: It's as much the business of the birds, as well, but they're not on this list, and they can't type a message indicating how they feel about the matter. If they're on the Internest, they can use Microsoft Bird For Windows. Malcolm Duly nominated as PDML Pun of the Year 2006 Befitting, as we do have a number of members who like to give Microsoft the bird from time to time. Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Photo Submission
Shel wrote I was asked to submit five cat photos to the ASPCA. I put up a small gallery from which five have to be selected. Perhaps you can take a moment and let me know which 5 you prefer. Thanks! http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/SPCA_Gallery/ My choices, in no particular order are: warrior 3032, blue in color 2092, carols cat (I'd clone the background to make it all white), family portrait 1, blueface (increase contrast) My 2¢ Butch -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: GFM and food
Cotty wrote: On 16/5/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.romanphotography.com/bcc/bcc0011.htm Nice catch! (I mean the picture 8-) - the bass player looks stunned) Being a base player, he's just discovered another note. He could borrow my fretless - he'll find *lots* of new notes on that ;) Sounds like one of the bass players at the jam session I went to Sunday. Gorgeous fretless bass, he didn't have a clue on how to play a decent blues line. Butch who has had the good sense never to buy a fretless and still misses his old 64 Precision
Re: GFM and food
On 5/17/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Engaged to #6? Wow! Regards, Bob S. I thought he was at least up to #7... He must have finally found one that didn't break his equipment Butch waiting for the double entendres to start
RE: GESO: Blues
Jens wrote I think it floats just fine. This is not Eric Clapton and Cream, playing in arecord studio. It's really folk music - hobo music, isn't it? Originally played by people with no education, walking from street to street, playing for the poor people, day-labourers, whores, guests in cheap crummy restaurants etc. That is at least the impression I get from the lyrics in the songs. To me this sound just about right ;-) The original was done by Robert Johnson and was much closer to that version then Cream's version was. Cream's version is in my opinion is a prime example of English blues rock of the 60's and is in my personal top ten songs of all time. Clapton has since proved he is as adept at playing traditional Chicago blues and is no slouch at acoustic blues either. Butch
Re: Analog versus Digital Shootout
Previously written; Is direct digital better than a film to digital image? How about a first class optical print compared to a cheap inkjet print viewed at 100x magnification. Now that is an oranges to apples comparison instead of this usual apples to oranges comparison. GRIN! graywolf You know what they say If life requires you to compare apples and oranges make fruit salad Butch
Re: Local Gas Prices
Thesis plus antithesis equals synthesis. You both have valid points. Having driven transit in the 80's the busses were full during rush hours and practically empty the rest of the time. You have to run busses frequently enough to make them practical to use. My solution to that would be to use full sized busses for peak hours and van/ light truck based mini-busses for the rest of the time on routes that were not heavily used. I do agree that subways generally carry enough to make them effective. Air travel could probably benefit from some smaller, more fuel efficient turbo prop aircraft to service less popular runs. However, between government regulations and political concerns I doubt that many of the suggestions would be viable. My 2¢ Butch
RE: Local gas prices
Thesis plus antithesis equals synthesis. You both have valid points. Having driven transit in the 80's the busses were full during rush hours and practically empty the rest of the time. You have to run busses frequently enough to make them practical to use. My solution to that would be to use full sized busses for peak hours and van/ light truck based mini-busses for the rest of the time on routes that were not heavily used. I do agree that subways generally carry enough to make them effective. Air travel could probably benefit from some smaller, more fuel efficient turbo prop aircraft to service less popular runs. However, between government regulations and political concerns I doubt that many of the suggestions would be viable. My 2¢ Butch On 4/28/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes you think public transportation is more environmentally friendly than private? My only jet airliner trip had about 12 passengers on board. I figure that cost about 100 times as much for fuel per person as driving cars did. The concept that public transportation is cheaper is based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at capacity. In fact very little public transportation operates at more than 10% of capacity overall. After all it has to be sized to carry the rush hour traffic, but has to run all the time or it would not be a viable alternative at all. I have often noticed that Eco Freaks have a very strange concept of how economics work. Tom, I'm sure you know very well that when someone (in the context of conserving resources) they're likely talking about mass transit, rather than air transportation. You can throw all the numbers you want at me, but no one's going to tell me that a subway in a major city during rush hour doesn't save energy and reduce pollution, as compared to driving personal vehicles. Just imagine: in Toronto during rush hour, there's an average of 1000 passengers ~per train~. The trains come by on average every five minutes. That's a lot of cars ~not~ on the road. No matter what you may say about public transportation, public transit or mass transit in major urban centres must form an important part of any energy-saving, pollution-control plan, IMHO. cheers, frank
Re: Need More Storage?
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Joseph Tainter wrote: If you need more storage space for digital photos, TigerDirect currently has a Seagate 250 MB, 7200 rpm, ATA 100 drive with an external USB 2/Firewire case for $100. That's after a $50 rebate. The rebate offer is good through 4/30. Even if the rebate is a scam, it still sounded like a pretty good deal at $150. FWIW I recently bought an external DVD burner from Tiger direct with a $40 manufacturers and a $50 Tiger direct rebate. While their procedure is a PIA I got the manufacture's rebate and just received an e-mail saying my $50 Tiger direct rebate is in the mail. So they appear to be legit if a bit slow. Butch PS an external Plextor DVD burner for a grand total of $49.95 was too good to pass up.
OT: FTP program
Hi Guys; Any recommendations on an FTP program, preferably shareware or freeware. I could have used one a few weeks ago. I doubt that I would use it often so I don't want to spend much money on it. Butch note to self. Never assume that because is educated that they will have a lick of common sense.
Re: PESO: Another Pano
What's DLP technology? Shel DLP stands for digital light processor, a Texas instruments chip. They are best known being used in micro projection TV's. Noritsu also used them in some of their digital minilabs. I preferred the image quality of the Fuji Frontier (laser) to the DLP based Noritsus. Butch
Re: Who's Not Shooting Raw?
What else can we come up with? If you care enough, shoot RAW. When you absolutely must produce an image, shoot RAW. Kenneth Waller How about RAW, RAW, RAW, sis boom bah, Pentax, Pentax, yea! Butch
RE: OT: Anyone got an olive?
Anyway, it's too far to go for a drink :-) One light year is 5900 billion miles (ish). Multiply that x 8000 and you'll want more than a drink with an olive in it when you get there. Anyone care to work out how long it would take in a space shuttle? There is a far easier way to get there: 1. Buy a bottle of tequila. 2. Remove the worm. That leaves a worm hole in the tequila. 3. Drink the tequila. You will fall through the worm hole. Bob ROTFLMAO
RE: Slate Pictures - celebrating jazz
Hey, Frank (any anyone else to loves this stuff), Have you had a look at Slate Pictures today? That Illinois Jacquet shot by Dennis Stock is a killer. That is an absolutely fabulous use of high contrast. Butch
Re: PESO:Route 66 car and shop in Switzerland
On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:52 AM, Tim Xsleby wrote: Saab made a car pretty similar in style. http://www.saabmuseum.com/96/ This is a totally different car, yes, but some design ideas seem to be pretty similar. Looking at the front, I tend to think they where inspired by British car industry. Maybe. I well remember those old Saabs. You had to mix oil with your gasoline because the little three-cylinder engine was a two-stroke cycle type. Some later ones had an oil reservoir and automatically mixed in the oil. Bob I remember them too. Though I think the Saab Sonnet of that era was one of the nicest looking cars produced that an average person could afford. I also liked the styling of the later Corvair Monza Coupes (66). Butch
Re: Windows 98 x *ist DS
If you do go the card reader route, try to find a relatively slow one. That will have a better chance of working with Win 98SE. I don't know if any will work with non-SE versions. Butch
Re: OT - Eiffel Tower
Frank wrote; 3) Modern jetfuel is much more volatile than what would have been used in the B-25, Actually that is incorrect. Jet fuel is much more like kerosene or diesel fuel then gasoline, and the B-25 would have used av gas, which is more volatile then auto grade gas. I agree with the rest of your points however. Butch Former 43250/70 jet engine mechanic USAF
RE:
My condolences on the loss of your beloved pet. Butch
OT: printing pictures to specific sizes.
Hi Sandy It's very simple. Open your image and save a copy. Open the copy and hit image, image size. If your image is already square resize to 6X6 if not then resize to 6 on the smaller of the two sides then use the cropping tool to crop to 6X6 Make sure your resolution is high enough, 360 PPI should be good and will give you a file of about 13.5mb. Make sure you have constrain proportions and resample image boxes checked. Pictorico, www.pictorico.com has a PolySilk material that might be a good choice of material to use for the project. Butch
yet another test
Sorry, but I never received the digest with my last two tests Butch ¢ © µ
Re: test
They all look fine to me. Godfrey On Mar 21, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Butch Black wrote: This is an ansi test ) 5 0 =? Butch When I received the digest they were all wrong, however, Rob replied shortly after I sent the test out and all the characters were right on his reply. WTH. Were others on the digest receiving the characters correctly? I also changed encoding (I think) from Western European ISO to Western European windows, we'll see if that helps. Could someone with IE 6 and outlook express check under view, encoding to see if they are ISO or windows please. Also if anyone could send me an original e-mail with a couple of characters like copyright and mu I'd appreciate it. Butch
Re: ANSI character set and the PDML
Doug wrote Hey Butch, Sounds like a local/outlook server problem. I can see those symbols just fine. Check the settings on your Outlook Express. Ok, What do I look for? I looked in tools, options and found nothing. I'm set on Western European ISO for encoding, I'm using Ariel font. I'm on IE 6 Butch
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Re: Cold weather performance of DA 16-45/4
On 20 Mar 2006 at 20:53, Jostein wrote: Gang, Just an observation from prolonged camera exposure to temperatures around -150C, in windy conditions. The clutch focus mechanism becomes too tight, so that the AF motor in the *istD hardly manage to drive it. Just to check that it was not the batteries acting up, I changed to FA*400/5.6 and Sigma EX 70-200/2.8. The AF responded swiftly and without problems with both lenses. Considering that I've never had to touch up the focus manually while working with AF, the clutch-focus mechanism is suddenly a feature I wish I didn't have. That anything would work at -150C is amazing in itself. Butch
Rebate roll call
All, Has anyone on the list received a rebate from the recent Pentax offer? How responsive are they being on this campaign? Thanks, Mark Got my 18-55 in January, got my rebate check about two weeks ago so @ 2 months Butch
Re: PESO: Puppy Love
I can't stop myself wondering why the colours on the lady's sweater are so different seen thru the car window. It appears to me that it is part of the sweater design. It is not a single color sweater - appear there are several blue colors in the sweater. The background car color is the same in the window and outside the window. Kenneth Waller I agree with Ken. It also proves a point made by the great U.S. Statesman, P.T. Barnum Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public. Butch Yes I know it's a bit of a mis-quote
Re: OT: Sadness Paranoia in West Virginia
On 2/26/06 6:25 PM, Glen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you people think I'm over-reacting? No. But as I thought about it longer if the list was seeking to connect photographers with models it might not be such a ridiculous idea. If for no other reason then a liability issue to the list owners/moderators should something happen to a model (or photographer) who connected via the list. It might also be a reassurance to newer models seeking to join the group. Just remember, The age of innocence is over. Butch
Re: [Bulk] Re: Magnesium or plastic?
Ken wrote: I have a bit of theory on what Canon is doing on their APS-C (1.6) CMOS. I think they may have been convinced that going 10mp on 1.6 sensor might actually begin to deteriorate the image quality because of denser pixel pitch. So, to go any higher safely, they found they have to at least go 1.3 or FF, thus 5D came out. Unfortunately, some of their current lens line, even including L lenses, are not quite compatible for the digital and the proof is everywhere. Also, FF sensor at 12mp level seems to have some severe latitude problem and prone to things like camera blur etc. That's why I thought Canon did not take any risk of going higher mp just for the sake of it. I could be wrong but it seems to me that 30D sensor is a matured technology. If that is in fact true then Pentax's decision to base their high megapixel camera on a MF body with a larger then 35mm frame sensor is in fact a sound one. if not the most popular decision. The larger image circle of the 645 lenses should still be in the sweet spot of the sensor and hopefully the pixel size/density will allow for good higher ISO performance. Butch
OT: Adobe Bridge question
Hi All; I just got CS2 installed on my computer and am having a problem with Bridge. When I open an image in Camera raw the printing on the check boxes are cut off top and bottom. Any ideas what the problem is and how to fix it? Butch
Re: It's here (was: Another pre-PMA rumour...)
DZ1 would be funnier. On Feb 23, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if they'll call it Z1D? Dario And think of the marketing campaign. They could use that great classic by Tommy Rowe (sic), Dizzy Butch now I have that stupid song in my head, thanks guys.
OT: lightscribe DVD burners
Hi I'm thinking of getting an external DVD burner for my computer and am intrigued with the lightscribe technology. But it seems that everywhere I look it says while supplies last. Does anyone know if they are phasing out that technology? I'd hate to spend the extra bucks then find out I can't get the media. Also, anyone using it? Problems etc.? Butch
Re: OT: HCB with a Minolta CLE
On Feb 14, 2006, at 4:58 PM, William Robb wrote: I thought they had broken away because some Henry or another wanted a divorce, and the RC Church wouldn't allow it. Yup. Henery the VIIIth, I am... Did Peter Noonan cause the split? Bob No, but before that incident the Hermits were a Gregorian chant band Butch
RE: Weekend crop: A gallery of jazz photos
Hi Lasse Nice overall set, but the dragging the shutter technique did little for me. I think I would have preferred the images had you set a shutter speed to get just a touch of blur. Two of the pictures of the drummer 066 and 105 best exemplify it. Butch
digest question
Has anyone else on digest been getting editions a few days late? I just got editions 326 and 329 with posts dated 2/8 and 2/9 today the 12th. Doug, do you know if this is from your end or if it's a problem with my ISP? Butch
enablement
Thanks to all who answered my earlier questions about the 18-55 and optio s5z. I've ordered both and hopefully will have them sometime this week. An especial thanks to Don who posted some S5Z pixs. Butch
Do we owe Marco an appology (was RE: Pentax wants your digital pix)
I sent this message last night. It has not as yet shown up in the digest, so I'm re-sending it. My apologies if you are receiving it twice. Also, thanks Doug for your point in your letter about building a mutually supportive relationship with Pentax. It summarizes a lot of my reasoning for suggesting the PDML send Marco an apology. Butch I'm saddened to hear that too. Since no one has come forward admitting to the jackass statement perhaps the PDML should send an e-mail apologizing for that statement and assuring that it is not the sentiment of the majority of the list members. Butch It is far from clear that a PDML member was responsible for writing that. When pressed, Aaron became a little vague and rather defensive. John I remember Aaron from my early days on the list and as such I have no doubt to his sincerity about the jackass statement. I can also understand a reluctance to name names given the litigious world we live in. Whether it is a current or former member is a valid question, as we have had a few loose cannons amongst us from time to time. My point is that the good name of the PDML has been hurt by this incident, whether caused by a current or former member or someone else. While there seems to be a widely varying opinion of the original request it appears that much, if not most, of the list does not approve of the jackass statement. I am a firm believer in when wrong, promptly admitting it, and making amends whenever possible. Hence, my suggestion for the e-mail assuring him that this was not the sentiment of the vast majority of the list members. Am I the only one who thinks an apology is in order? Butch
Re: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix
I'm saddened to hear that too. Since no one has come forward admitting to the jackass statement perhaps the PDML should send an e-mail apologizing for that statement and assuring that it is not the sentiment of the majority of the list members. Butch It is far from clear that a PDML member was responsible for writing that. When pressed, Aaron became a little vague and rather defensive. John I remember Aaron from my early days on the list and as such I have no doubt to his sincerity about the jackass statement. I can also understand a reluctance to name names given the litigious world we live in. Whether it is a current or former member is a valid question, as we have had a few loose cannons amongst us from time to time. My point is that the good name of the PDML has been hurt by this incident, whether caused by a current or former member or someone else. While there seems to be a widely varying opinion of the original request it appears that much, if not most, of the list does not approve of the jackass statement. I am a firm believer in when wrong, promptly admitting it, and making amends whenever possible. Hence, my suggestion for the e-mail assuring him that this was not the sentiment of the vast majority of the list members. Am I the only one who thinks an apology is in order? Butch
Re: Pentax Wants Your Digital Pix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/6/2006 8:37:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The messages I'm referring to were vulgar and aggressive. If you want to know why the idea was canned, ask your brethren why they needed to write dear jackass letters. I didn't expect that from the PDML, so yes, I didn't think this through. Please now, I am aware of my mistake; let's move on. -Aaron Saddened to hear that. Actually, I think our number of jackasses are minimal compared to some lists/newsgroups. :-) Moving on... Doesn't take a lot of jackasses to make a loud, unpleasant noise. (One will do it all by himself, as a matter of fact.) I'm saddened to hear that too. Since no one has come forward admitting to the jackass statement perhaps the PDML should send an e-mail apologizing for that statement and assuring that it is not the sentiment of the majority of the list members. Butch
Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend registration is open
Teach me not to put a smiley in :) Butch 1948. Named after the film by National Geographic photographers. Linky: http://www.outdoorsinutah.com/kodachrome-camping.htm On 2/5/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Butch Black Subject: Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend registration is open Good idea, so where is Kodachrome Basin? Regards, Bob S. Gawd, is there anything they won't sell naming rights to? It's bad enough with sports stadiums. What's next? The Tidy Bowl river at Grand Canyon? Uh Butch, it was named that back in about 1924 or something. William Robb
Re: OT: Prayer for my Daughter
PDML'ers, Our family received a wonderful blessing today as our daughter Nicole was released from the hospital with a positive medical prognosis. Great news. Butch
Equipment questions
Hi Guys Does anyone have any experience with the Optio S5z? Any good? I want it for an inexpensive carry around snapshot camera. How is the DA 18-55? A little background here. I seldom shoot wide angle and I own both the K28/35 and K35/35, so I wouldn't normally use it above 28mm. I know the 16-45 is a superior lens but I don't think I would use it enough to warrant the extra cost. Kit lenses have a reputation of being junk, so if this lens is at least average it will probably work for me. The worst is that I don't like it and I won't be out a lot of money. Any info on either would be appreciated Butch
Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend registration is open
Good idea, so where is Kodachrome Basin? Regards, Bob S. Gawd, is there anything they won't sell naming rights to? It's bad enough with sports stadiums. What's next? The Tidy Bowl river at Grand Canyon? Butch
Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend registration is open
On 2/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I DO have a chainsaw in the garage somewhere. Still need a ride Frank.:-) Apparently, having a chainsaw makes it easier to cross borders... LOL cheers, frank It's good for cutting through (blood) red tape Butch
Re: XP and SCSIS
In a message dated 1/31/2006 1:53:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Butch, it all depends on whether you can get XP drivers for the peripheral. When I upgraded my desktop to XP Pro, I had to move my flatbed scanner to another PC as the manufacturer would not provide a driver. http://www.windowsxp-drivers.com/ is a good site for a starting point to obtain drivers, particularly for second-hand stuff where the maker no longer is interested! HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia == Yes, go to the web site of the manufacturer, in this case Epson, and see if they have updated the driver for XP. I have an old flatbed HP scanner that really hung me up when I first upgraded to XP. I had to unhook it and delete the driver. Then I ordered a new driver from HP. For some reason, at that time, I had to order a CD. Now it works fine. (It's a good document scanner.) I upgraded ME to XP on the same machine, not a clean install, and at first I thought I had blown it. That the upgrade wouldn't work at all. Nope, it was just the scanner. But to figure that out, I sure had to do a lot of googling and searching around. (I had to roll back the install while I did all that too, took better part of a week.) HTH, Marnie aka Doe Thanks for all of the suggestions. I went to Epson's site and they have a recent driver (4-5 months) for XP, so I think I'm going to do it. The expression series was their pro series IIRC so it should be well built and have decent controls. Does anyone have experience with the Expression 800? Butch
OT: XP and SCSIS
Hi all Computer question. I have a chance to buy an Epson Expression 800 flatbed scanner for $75. It's scsi. I seem to remember reading here that scsi doesn't work well with windows XP. Any thoughts on the matter including price of the scanner would be appreciated. He is throwing in a scsi card so I wouldn't need to buy one. Butch
Re: *ist DL2
Pentax *istDL2 Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version of the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication of the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US). Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of these Samsung clones to enter the monthly PUG? Butch
Re: PESO - Bummer
My favorite photo never taken was the veterinarian and pet crematoria next to the Chinese restaurant in the suburban Atlanta shopping mall, (my apologies now for any slight to owners of Chinese restaurants), but it was funny. Ann Sanfedele wrote: E.R.N. Reed wrote: Joseph Tainter wrote: My favorite not taken was a shingle for a local law office, Blank and Blank attorneys. Butch
OT: Pictorico paper profiles for Epson 2200
Hi Guys Anybody have the Pictorico profiles for an Epson 2200? I lost all my profiles when I had to re-install windows last month and when I went to Pictorico's site I could not find them. If anyone has them, especially photo gallery glossy paper, photo gallery glossy film, I'd appreciate it. It's for a PC if it makes a difference. Butch
Re: OT: Lou Reed heart NY
For people interested in rock/pop history, I recommend Lollipop Lounge by Genya Ravan. Genya was the singer fronting Ten Wheel Drive and one of Mick Jagger's girlfriends. She was right in the middle of things in those formative days. And she writes well, too (unless it was ghosted). I caught her in concert at a club called Jonathan Swifts in Cambridge Ma. This was just after she had a minor hit with a song called I should have listened to the junkman or something like that. She had quickly put together the band and they only had a set list of about 8 songs. Due to a poor showing they invited us from the first show to stay for the second, where thy did the same 8 songs. Butch
RE: posted two pictures from my digital camera.
Hi Sandy I liked them both. I would have liked to see a version of the old fence line with the pole/line intersection moved from dead center to upper right hand rule of thirds intersection and maybe a bit more saturation in the maple tree MY 2¢ Butch
Re: The Future of Film?
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Film processing volumes (C-41) have been dropping off steadily for the past couple of years. If we treat 03 as 100%, 04 was 57%, 05 was 50%. I was surprised to find film processing volumes had only dropped off another 7% from the 03 numbers, although the % drop from 04 to 05 is somewhat higher. After thinking about it for a few I'm not as surprised. The one area that digital hasn't been really successful against is single use cameras. Yes I know there are single use digitals but they haven't caught on. I'd be curious if you think a higher percentage of business lost was from who had some clue about taking pictures. Butch
Re: PESO: New Dodge Challenger
Nice looking. Where Ford, with it's Mustang is the only pony car still available I think the Challenger could do well if they can bring it in at a good price point, mid 20's for the base model would probably work fine. Butch
I'm back
Hi Guys I'm back. Hopefully I won't get kicked off again and that weird phenomenon of getting digests 2-3 days late will stop. I hope everybody had a good holiday season, whatever you call it and however you choose to celebrate it. I bought a DA 50-200 4-5.6. Initial impression is favorable, though I haven't had a chance to download the images to my computer yet, hopefully Tuesday. I have a couple flash questions. I was using my ist DS with an older Vivitar flash (550D)It would flash once then not flash again until I turned off either the flash or camera. Any ideas? Also, on the hot shoe there is a hole in the upper left hand corner that looks like a contact should be there, is it supposed to be empty. I checked on my old Z-1p and there is no contact nor hole there. I also suffered from read the manual dummy as a few times it wouldn't flash due to my having it set on AF with a MF lens on. Official D'OH!!! Do need a more powerful flash though. Maybe the tax return fairy will be nice this year. Butch
Re: Another DAM book
In a message dated 12/18/2005 12:00:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this mean we can stop calling ourselves photographers now, and start calling ourselves digital asset managers? Dam imagers. William Robb There's got to be a way that a N can be added to that acronym. Marnie aka Doe Digital Asset Managers Nuveau
Re: PESO - Autumn or Winter?
I'm sure they are all Pintos. Nah, I think you've lost your Focus. Kenneth Waller If you've lost your Focus then you'll need an Escort Butch
Re: PESO: The scene of an accident
Hi I'm glad that you and your wife were not injured. I used to drive transit busses. I'm curious, I've never seen an articulated bus like that, any idea who makes it. Also, is your Orange line running on regular streets, special lanes. or something else? Butch
Re: What's wrong with this picture?
It's a light leak. Was it the first or last frame on the roll? If so it may have been a loading error with the lab. If not, it may be that your sponge light seal on your film inspection window may be getting a bit old/worn. Those would be my 2 best guesses Butch
Re: Mishka in Greenwich
Thanks a lot! I have been trying to find a decent lab here for a while. Do they process 120 film as well? Will definitely pay them a visit. They can. The Frontier they have has a 120 carrier and they have 120 daylight cassettes for the film processor. Getting them to do it is another matter as Andre, the owner, thinks MF shooters are more of a PIA then they are worth. Reprints and enlargements should be no problem, I can't guarantee DP service. Butch
Re: Skills - was Re: Sent My Brother to the Dark Side
previously written: I bet it's the lab's work that's saving his ass. Does he process the film? Does he make the prints? It doesn't matter, really. If he, and others, want to skirt by and rely on the labs and computers to get good prints, that's their business. That's the new way to do things. I'm just an old fart who believes that getting it right in the camera means better results over all. I don't know what PP of A is, and that he sometimes wins awards is irrelevant. The national Cheese Council once gave an award to Velveeta. Velveeta is a good enough cheese LOL I'm coming into this thread late, so I hope I'm not missing some important piece of info. I had a membership in the Ct. chapter of the PPofA for about 5 years back in the 90's. The monthly print competitions were of exceptional quality work as most serious competitors were looking for regional or national points for their work. So they spent the $ to have them properly printed and mounted. I remember in this thread something being mentioned about not using a meter. I have worked with photographers who were aware enough to be able shoot without using a meter and be able to get an easily printable negative. Color negative film has a lot of latitude towards overexposure and may actually print better overexposed by a stop. So while the case may be made that properly exposing a negative may be the prudent way to photograph, it does not necessarily translate into a better quality print. Any print, even with the most painstakingly exposed negative, will benefit from the services of a highly skilled master printer. The tools, and how one chooses to use them, is secondary to the goal, the finished print. My 2 ¢ Butch
RE: New novice member from north of Boston
Hi Gaurav and welcome There are a few of us scattered around eastern Mass. I'm in Waltham. As we're getting ready for the holidays at work I doubt I'll have much time to just go out and shoot until after the new year, but if something comes up I'll give you a holler. Don't be afraid of sharing. The photos you've listed show a good eye and sense of composition. Butch
RE: Mishka in Greenwich
Hi Mishka If you are looking for a lab to use in Greenwich try 35mm Photolabs on E. Elm st 203-629-3566. I worked there for a few years and highly recommend it. If you go, say Hi to André and Marian for me Butch
RE: Today I Was Stopped by the Police While Photographing
Tim wrote: First another OT warning. As I said in my previous post; I'm more concerned about the children. Most of you probably know that I work as a social worker, and much of my work is with abused children. What I experience is that the one of main problems for abused children is that they are filled with fear and that their ability to trust people is seriously damaged. With this in mind, it is kind of absurd that society and parent in their effort to protect their children fill them with fear, telling them not to trust fellow human beings. I agree. There was the story in the news a few months ago about the boy on a scouting trip who got lost for a few days. Apparently in that time he heard searchers looking for him but hid, not knowing if they were good guys or bad. I am concerned as to what kind of society we will have in another 50 years. Will a generation brought up on distrust of others be willing to deal with the issues surrounding an ever shrinking global society? Will the progress made in human rights be lost as we align ourselves into small groups of similar people? Questions to be asked. Butch
Re: OT: 4gb CF bargain
CF card slots are too easily damaged to not go with something that is less delicate. -- How so, Bill? It's not something I've noticed. When I handle the SD cards for my wife's Option S4, I always think they feel fragile (compared to CF) and so small that they would be very easy to lose. The pins that go into the holes of the CF card are the weak link. I had a customer come in a few days ago complaining that her camera kept giving her a card not formatted error code. After trying to format the card a few times myself I tried to put a new card in only to find it wouldn't seat properly. Upon closer investigation one of the pins looked pulled out. The customer's husband had removed the card to take it to be printed and apparently didn't know how to properly remove the card. As it was a couple year old modest PS it was probably cheaper to replace the camera rather then having it fixed. Anytime they develop something foolproof there is always a fool somewhere that feels up to the challenge. VBG Butch
Re: Anyone going to the Photoplus show?
I'm sorry to hear that Amita. my plans for going this afternoon are now down the tubes, but my plans for tomorrow have been rained out, so I think I will be going. I think Butch said he was going. Herb... My condolences too Amita. I'm also not able to make it this tear Herb. Butch
Re: Anyone going to the Photoplus show?
Amita wrote: I am planning to go on Saturday. I'll let you know if I see anything interesting. Should I ask the Pentax guys about a digital 645? Anything else you want me to ask them? They are usually more accessible than, say, the Nikon people. ;) I would be curious if there is a working prototype by now, when they expect it to be released to the public and MSRP and estimated street price. Butch
Anyone going to the Photoplus show?
Hi Guys Anyone going to the photoplus show at the Javits in NYC? I'm not going to be able to make it this year and am curious to find out if a working pre-production 645D (or whatever they are going to call it) or any other new bodies and lenses are in the near release stage. Also, anything else interesting, please keep us informed. Butch
Re: More Texas Photo Issues
On 17/10/05, Butch Black, discombobulated, unleashed: I think during that time there may have been 1 or 2 images I refused to print due to being in such poor taste. By any chance did you refuse to print any that were of poor composition? Or perhaps poor exposure? Or maybe you just didn't like the colour of the sky? Sorry Butch, I'm not getting at you personally. I deplore censorship in any form. Best, Cheers, Cotty One of the times I did that it was some kids doing disgusting things to a dead cat. The other times I did it the companies I worked for had posted policies towards adult material. Essentially adult nudity was ok, intercourse was not. The few I would not print would not have made it on an upscale men's magazine. We have this vague community standards law or legal concept which could have penalized us for having printed those images. Living in the Northeast I probably had more leeway then if I lived in the Bible Belt for instance. Yes it is censorship. But until pornography is clearly defined, or it's taboo is removed from society. it is one photofinishers will have to struggle with. I would like to hear from some of the other photofinishers on the list concerning their company's policy on printing nudity, erotica, and pornography. I do find Bob Shell's letter disturbing, as from his description I would have had no problems printing his workshop's material. Given the average Wal-Mart employee, I wonder if Wal-Mart just instituted a no nudity policy so as not to have to worry about the issue. Butch
Re: More Texas Photo Issues
I'll add my 2¢ worth in. I worked in photofinishing for over 10 years. In that time I saw many pictures of naked children, none of which I would consider pornographic. There were, however, many I considered in poor taste. For instance there was the child on the potty. the next frame was what he left in the potty. I think during that time there may have been 1 or 2 images I refused to print due to being in such poor taste. Never was there anything close enough to pornographic that I even remotely considered alerting the authorities, which I would have been legally required to do. I worked briefly for an on-line photofinisher. We had one case where the postal inspector was brought in. Neither Doyle (the other experienced photofinisher) or I thought anything of it. It was a low income, blue collar, family and the picture was in poor taste, but hardly pornographic. The decision was made by management, who had no photofinishing background. I also remember on customer who's images always struck me as being in bad taste. His background was Scandinavian and culturally it is normal for them to let their children run around naked to a much older age then in the USA. (as brought out in a PDML thread a couple weeks ago). I also have to remember that I am 50+, never married, no kids, and an only child, so I'm not accustomed to young children running around naked. As a liberal leaning moderate I am concerned about what I perceive to be an increasing loss of personal freedom, a departure from the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and an increased Big Brother mentality in government. Butch
Re: More Texas Photo Issues
Shel wrote: And what would an attractive person look like? Ideas of beauty and attractiveness vary widely by culture and geography, never mind personal preferences within such groups. What about a guy taking some pix of other guys, or, for that matter, women taking pix of women? Again it points to the vagueness of the law. My guess is that the authorities would be more inclined to hassle me taking pictures of twentysomethings at the beach on a hot day then a fiftysomething in a housecoat and curlers in a mall parking lot. Given that the law doesn't specify that it has to be for the photographer's sexual gratification, I don't see where photographing someone of the same sex would stop them if they wanted to hassle you. my 2 ¢ Butch
Re: More Texas Photo Issues
You're committing an offense if, a) you're taking a picture of a person who hasn't given you consent to do so, and b) that picture is for the sexual gratification of any person, Douglas said. Hopefully, *and* is the key word here, no? Also, b) is very difficult to prove. Or it can be a very broad generalization. One could try to make a case that a photo of any attractive person could be for sexual gratification. Hopefully a jury would want to see some reasonably overt or voyeuristic content in the picture to call that. But it does let in a lot of leeway if the authorities want to be a jerk of charging, etc.someone. Butch
Re: HOT NEWS: Pentax +Samsund DSLRs
Cotty wrote on 12.10.05 9:54: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05101201samsung_pentaxdslrs.asp 'Samsung announces agreement with Pentax to co-operate and jointly develop new digital camera products. This will broaden the product range to offer consumers greater choice'. Great news! Now the future of DSLRs with K-mount is much brighter, although not every of these products would carry Pentax logo! Samsung is now powerful company - both economic and marketing wise I think the big thing is that Samsung has had much better success in the mass retail stores then Pentax. If this brings a Pentax mount DSLR to the likes of Sears, Best Buy. etc. It would have to help strengthen their market position. Butch
RE: PESO: Winging It
I find the ripples on the water distracting. Perhaps a mild gaussian blur on the water would help. But I do like the picture concept. Butch
Re: Poll: shall PUG continue?
Put me down for a yes Butch
Re: Setting Up a Web Site
See sea shells at the sea shore at seeshels Say that fast five times Butch
RE: GESO: stuff from my bus/train trip
Nice series Ann. I particularly liked bus stop in Redmond Ca. and morning coffee. I liked the space needle but think it could use a bit of contrast. Try using the black eyedropper on the needle if you are using PS, Elements, or most of the other image editing programs. Butch
re: GESO: IstDS and concert photography - manual focus is the best way!
Very nice job. Band photography is not easy. I especially like img 2476. Everybody seems to be having a good time but one woman has a deer in the headlights stare that looks so out of place. Also, what kind of music were they doing? Butch
re: PESO: Duet
Great picture Paul, it made me smile Butch
RE: GESO: instant cure for depression
That would either cure my depression , or, reminding me that I'm getting older, throw me into a deeper funk. It did look like a couple of those outfits could not be worn in public without getting the wearer arrested. :) Butch
vacation
Hi Gang I'm getting ready to go on vacation tomorrow. I'll unsubscribe just before leaving. Not going far, but it's a well needed rest and a great bunch of people. I will have my ist Ds and hope to get some shooting in but the weatherman is not cooperating :( I'll be back on Labor day. Try to behave :) Butch
Re: metrics question
Here's a link to a handy little conversion program I use at work a lot. http://tinyurl.com/it7n Dave Thanks. I just downloaded it and it looks like a great program. Butch
RE: GESO (my first) - KC Ethnic Festival
Nice GESO Stan. I especially liked going to the dogs. Butch
Re: What Would Make a DSLR Obsolete?
I agree with Paul. At 6mp I can make a good print to any size I normally make, and with careful interpolation to any size I've ever made (20x30) Future cameras may have features I want, but that doesn't mean my camera is obsolete. It's no different then the PZ-1p did not make the MX or LX obsolete. My 2¢ worth Butch
metrics question
The sigma is GN 50m @ 100ASA, 105mm zoom reflector setting. The Pentax one is GN 54m @ 100ASA, doesn't say what zoom that's at. If you multiply by 3 do you roughly get your guide numbers in feet? Butch
Re: Why full frame?
Bob wrote: The largest size I sell is printed on Epson's 13 X 19 Enhanced Matte. The image is about an inch smaller in each dimension, so about 12 X 18 image area for most. I have these matted with wide white mattes and framed in dark charcoal gray aluminum sectional frames for the black and white images. I don't do many in color. Final dimensions are something like 18 ax 25. Most people seem quite pleased with that size. In fact many prefer prints on A3, which is 11.7 X 16.5 inches. I'm printing on an Epson 2200, which produces gorgeous prints. It is possible to get a really good print in either of these sizes from a 6 megapixel camera. Galleries and buyers were initially resistant to inkjet prints, so we started calling them giclee. Bob, are you using a special RIP or custom profile with those BW prints? I have found a goodly bit of metarism printing BW on my 2200. I have 2 BW prints hanging in my room that look neutral to slightly cool with sunlight coming into the room, but have a noticeable magenta tinge under warm fluorescent lights. Butch
Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax
I hope so. For some reason this release exhibits little significant difference over the previous DS releases. According to the spec sheets. Maybe that's just because there are so many features it's hard to absorb and compare. The 2.5 LCD and the capability to use continuous AF at you leisure re-position the DS2 over the DL, which had surpassed the DS in these respects. This is enough a reason for making it. Dario Also, weren't we worrying a couple months ago that the Ds was going to be discontinued for the DL? Butch
