Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation (help with math)

2005-04-14 Thread Mark Cassino
lenses test pages: help with japanese translation Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Just for simplicity (to make it easier to compare the K-mount 50's), I put the Pentax and Ricoh lens charts on a page at http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation (help with math)

2005-04-14 Thread Rob Studdert
On 14 Apr 2005 at 21:10, Mark Cassino wrote: I can't get the original page to load, so thanks to Fred for posting the extracted page. I'm rather surprised by how poorly the FA 1.7 does at wider apertures. Similarly surprised that the Ricoh 50mm f2.0 did so poorly. I'm trying to put

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation (help with math)

2005-04-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Cassino Subject: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation (help with math) I Is my math wrong on that, or are most of these lenses equal on the *ist-D / DS? And for that matter, more or less equal with most films except the highest

50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Alin Flaider
Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. I was wondering if one of our resident japanese list members might help me understand the significance of the left chart versus the right one. Is the left one for high (1:1000) contrast level

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Whittingham
I was wondering if one of our resident japanese list members might help me understand the significance of the left chart versus the right one. Is the left one for high (1:1000) contrast level and the other one for reduced (1:1.6) ? It looks similar to the charts published by Amateur

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Whittingham
Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Very slow loading, or is it my connection? John

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
Very slow loading, or is it my connection? Very slow loading for me, too... Fred

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Alan Chan
--- John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Very slow loading, or is it my connection? Many sites from mainland China are slow indeed. That is Simplified Chinese btw, not Japanese. Alan Chan

Re: [Bulk] Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread KT Takeshita
On 4/13/05 10:04 AM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if one of our resident japanese list members might help me understand the significance of the left chart versus the right one. Is the left one for high (1:1000) contrast level and the other one for reduced

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Whittingham
Very slow loading for me, too... Cheers Fred... John

Re: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread m.9.wilson
From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/13 Wed PM 02:13:41 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Very slow

Re: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Whittingham
: help with japanese translation From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/13 Wed PM 02:13:41 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Actually, I thought that Canon is conspicuous in its absence. Doesn't Canon make 50mm lenses? (I have to believe that Canon does...) Fred

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Just for simplicity (to make it easier to compare the K-mount 50's), I put the Pentax and Ricoh lens charts on a page at http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/xitek50/ If anyone can come up with English

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What's the deal with the A50/1.7? My favorite 50 is the K50/1.4 - most especially for BW use. Still looking for a better sample than the one I now have. BTW, Fred, how does the K compare to the A, IYNSHO? Shel [Original Message] From: Fred Just for simplicity (to make it easier to

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I have the A50/1.4, A50/1.7, A50/2 and F50/1.7. My understanding is that the A50/1.4 was a small redesign/improvement over the M50/1.4 ... the M and K should be identical optically, the A, F and FA versions identical optically. I've never owned any other Pentax 50/1.4 so I can't compare. The

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Godfrey, I doubt it. The M series was a major redesign from the K, and the look I get from the K50/1.4 and the M50/1.4 is different. As far as I can recall,, there was never a K50/1.7, so your comment doesn't seem right on that point, either. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Alin Flaider
I apologize for the confusion - it is indeed Chinese, and here is the translation a kind soul sent it to me off-list. Thank you, Oh Cheng Yu. Servus, Alin Oh Cheng Yu wrote: I have read the above post in the archive as I don't subscribe. The words are in Chinese, not Japanese. Here is

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Peter J. Alling
You're right about the M50 1.7 Shel, it was the replacement for the [K]55 1.8. I'm not sure that the M50 1.4 would be called a major redesign, (except for the mechanics that is), but all of the tooling had to be changed which along with improvements in coatings may account for some difference

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I doubt it. The M series was a major redesign from the K, and the look I get from the K50/1.4 and the M50/1.4 is different. Well, looking at bdmitrov's pages, the K, M, and A all depart somewhat in the relationship of elements' curvature and

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Just for simplicity (to make it easier to compare the K-mount 50's), I put the Pentax and Ricoh lens charts on a page at http://www.cetussoft.com/pentax/xitek50/ If anyone can come up with English

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
If the size, shape, and placements of the elements change, which I believe was the case, and which appears to be shown in the diagrams on Boz's page, I'd suggest that it's a major redesign. Of course, the changes may have been small by appearance, and one may say that, based upon appearance, the

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
My favorite 50 is the K50/1.4 - most especially for BW use. Still looking for a better sample than the one I now have. BTW, Fred, how does the K compare to the A, IYNSHO? Hi, Shel. I'm sorry. but I don't remember the K that well anymore - I haven't had a K version of the 50/1.4 in quite a

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Whittingham
It'a pitty they didn't test the K 50mm f/1.2 for comparison with the A. John -- Original Message --- From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:31:49 -0400 Subject: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation Below

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Shel Belinkoff
In your not so humble opinion ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and what's IYNSHO? ;-)

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
I doubt it. The M series was a major redesign from the K, and the look I get from the K50/1.4 and the M50/1.4 is different. Well, looking at bdmitrov's pages, the K, M, and A all depart somewhat in the relationship of elements' curvature and thickness. Whether it's the drawing or what, i

Re: Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Francis
John Whittingham mused: JANET's a little sleepy this afternoon. 8-) Nothing new, I've got a faster connection at home these days - Pathetic! That's not surprising. One of my friends now has 20 megabit optical service to his house, and just yesterday I received a mailing offering me 4/1.5

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
Oh, and what's IYNSHO? ;-) In your not so humble opinion ;-)) Ah, then you know me pretty well, Shel - vbg. Fred

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
It'a pitty they didn't test the K 50mm f/1.2 for comparison with the A. Well, I guess they tested just the available-as-new Pentax 50's. The A 50/1.2 and the A 50/2 were never replaced with autofocus versions, and they (and a few other A and A* lenses) have had a life for many years after most

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread John Whittingham
Still, yes, it'd be ~great~ if they had tested 'em all while they were at it - g. The graphs look so similar to the AP tests I think I could probably cross reference, I'm sure I've got the tests on both A 50mm 1.2 and K 50mm 1.2 some where John

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Fred
The A 50/1.2 and the A 50/2 were never replaced with autofocus versions, and they (and a few other A and A* lenses) have had a life for many years after most of the other A lenses were retired. I really should have included a few K lenses in the above comment, too... Fred

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread williamsp
Quoting Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Below is a link to an interesting page with test charts for all major 50mm lenses out there. Actually, I thought that Canon is conspicuous in its absence. Doesn't Canon make 50mm lenses? (I have to believe that Canon does...) They do, their FD/New FD

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Apr 2005 at 11:57, Fred wrote: I think that the charts pretty much confirm my own experiences, although I'm comparing all A lenses (substituting my A models for the FA 50/1.4 and FA 50/1.7 lenses). That is to say, I ~still~ think that - 1. My favorite 50 is the A 50/1.4. 2. The

Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation

2005-04-13 Thread Rob Studdert
On 13 Apr 2005 at 19:43, John Whittingham wrote: The graphs look so similar to the AP tests I think I could probably cross reference, I'm sure I've got the tests on both A 50mm 1.2 and K 50mm 1.2 some where Contrast on the K lens is poorer across the board. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE