Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-13 Thread Boris Liberman

On 5/12/2011 16:58, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

So...does this have something to do with Boris being HAL?

(That's one of the problems of having the films translated to your own
language)


I was once compared with Lt. Commander Data of USS Enterprise from Star 
Trek The Next Generation...


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-13 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman


On 5/12/2011 16:58, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

 So...does this have something to do with Boris being HAL?

 (That's one of the problems of having the films translated to your own
 language)

I was once compared with Lt. Commander Data of USS Enterprise from Star
Trek The Next Generation...

Boris



Favorably I hope.


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-13 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Boris Liberman

 I was once compared with Lt. Commander Data of USS Enterprise from Star
 Trek The Next Generation...

 Favorably I hope.

I'm sure he's fully functional.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread David Mann
On May 11, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Steve, obviously the way you and I read things are different. This has to do 
 with the differences between our cultural backgrounds.

This is far too civilised.  When is someone going to start yelling?

- Jerry Springer


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Boris Liberman

On 5/12/2011 09:55, David Mann wrote:

This is far too civilised.  When is someone going to start yelling?


I don't intend to start yelling, sorry, Dave.

Boris

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Igor Roshchin

Thu May 12 03:32:15 EDT 2011
Boris Liberman wrote:

 On 5/12/2011 09:55, David Mann wrote:
  This is far too civilised.  When is someone going to start yelling?
 
 I don't intend to start yelling, sorry, Dave.
 
 Boris

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

:-)

Igor

PS.
(For those who missed the reference:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/quotes )


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Boris Liberman

On 5/12/2011 11:38, Igor Roshchin wrote:

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

:-)

Igor


This ought to be a triple negation, methinks...

Boris

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
LOL!  
Best chuckle of the day - thanks, Igor!


ann

Igor Roshchin wrote:


Thu May 12 03:32:15 EDT 2011
Boris Liberman wrote:

 


On 5/12/2011 09:55, David Mann wrote:
   


This is far too civilised.  When is someone going to start yelling?
 


I don't intend to start yelling, sorry, Dave.

Boris
   



I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

:-)

Igor

PS.
(For those who missed the reference:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/quotes )


 





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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
So...does this have something to do with Boris being HAL?

(That's one of the problems of having the films translated to your own 
language)



- Mensaje original 
 De: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Enviado: jue,12 mayo, 2011 13:56
 Asunto: Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo
 
 LOL!  
 Best chuckle of the day - thanks, Igor!
 
 ann
 
 Igor  Roshchin wrote:
 
 Thu May 12 03:32:15 EDT 2011
 Boris Liberman  wrote:
 
   
 
 On 5/12/2011 09:55, David Mann  wrote:
 
 
 This is far too  civilised.  When is someone going to start yelling?

 
 I don't intend to start yelling,  sorry, Dave.
 
 Boris
 
 
 
 I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do  that.
 
 :-)
 
 Igor
 
 PS.
 (For  those who missed the reference:
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/quotes )
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman


On 5/12/2011 11:38, Igor Roshchin wrote:

 I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

 :-)

 Igor

This ought to be a triple negation, methinks...

Boris



I think you missed the cultural reference. After Stanley Kubrick was a 
photo-journalist in Chicago, he became a film maker:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkyUMmNl4hk


... and then there is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GICdWLXYp4


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Well that's what made me chuckle...  worked so well since Dave's name is 
Dave :-)


ann

Jaume Lahuerta wrote:


So...does this have something to do with Boris being HAL?

(That's one of the problems of having the films translated to your own 
language)




- Mensaje original 
 


De: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Enviado: jue,12 mayo, 2011 13:56
Asunto: Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

LOL!  
Best chuckle of the day - thanks, Igor!


ann

Igor  Roshchin wrote:

   


Thu May 12 03:32:15 EDT 2011
Boris Liberman  wrote:



 


On 5/12/2011 09:55, David Mann  wrote:
  

   


This is far too  civilised.  When is someone going to start yelling?
 

 


I don't intend to start yelling,  sorry, Dave.

Boris
  

   


I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do  that.

:-)

Igor

PS.
(For  those who missed the reference:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/quotes )




 



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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 http://goo.gl/5LmLv

Here is a response:

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/05/11/lady-problems/hillary1/

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RE: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 John Sessoms
   I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
  
   :-)
  
   Igor
  This ought to be a triple negation, methinks...
 
  Boris
 
 
 I think you missed the cultural reference. After Stanley Kubrick was a
 photo-journalist in Chicago, he became a film maker:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkyUMmNl4hk
 
 
 ... and then there is:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GICdWLXYp4

that was my 2nd Kubrick. This was my first. I was about 16. It was awesome.
Still is. An oomny chelloveck like Boris should appreciate the yazick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLX8bcgwGsNR=1

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RE: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Ann Sanfedele
 
 Well that's what made me chuckle...  worked so well since Dave's name
 is
 Dave :-)
 

I thought it was Rodney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orER_S1jrgg






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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread John Francis
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 07:20:40PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
 
 that was my 2nd Kubrick. This was my first. I was about 16. It was awesome.
 Still is. An oomny chelloveck like Boris should appreciate the yazick.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sLX8bcgwGsNR=1
 

A friend of mine picked up one of the toys from the film company:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ltwX603Ft4

I never got to play with it on my own, though.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-12 Thread David Mann
On May 13, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Well that's what made me chuckle...  worked so well since Dave's name is Dave 
 :-)

At last, my life has meaning.

Dave
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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
To be honest, Boris, I went back through this thread to look at the
individual posts.  One in particular is harsh.  The rest express
different versions of the view that it would have been better not to
publish the photo than to modify it.  I hardly think this is a overly
reactionary position, so I'm a bit puzzled by your reaction.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5/9/2011 16:56, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Igor Roshchin wrote:

 http://goo.gl/5LmLv

 Very creepy.

 Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
 that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).

 Creepy indeed. And wrong.

 There is a post in The Online Photographer on the matter:
 http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/05/hillary-clinton.html

 And frankly, I am frightened by some of the comments under this post. I
 produced a reply therein that hasn't been moderated yet, so you don't see
 it. So to re-iterate it here - I think that what the newspaper did is wrong
 on more than one (or even two) levels, including whatever limited
 understanding of Judaism that I have. However, the tone and the wording of
 the comments is such that it clearly shows (to me, at least) that judge a
 person by their actions and not by what they are principle is, how to put
 it, still remains rather theoretical one.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Boris Liberman

On 5/11/2011 14:06, Steven Desjardins wrote:

To be honest, Boris, I went back through this thread to look at the
individual posts.  One in particular is harsh.  The rest express
different versions of the view that it would have been better not to
publish the photo than to modify it.  I hardly think this is a overly
reactionary position, so I'm a bit puzzled by your reaction.


Steve, obviously the way you and I read things are different. This has 
to do with the differences between our cultural backgrounds.


However, if you want to discuss this further - we can always go off the 
list.


Boris

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Sandy Harris wrote:

Then there's the superhero version:
http://yfrog.com/gzlctaoj

So, that one would be from USA Today...

 
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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread William Robb

On 10/05/2011 11:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:




 judge a person by their actions and not by what they are

principle is, how to put it, still remains rather theoretical one.


We are what we do Boris.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
So goes documentarian veracity. They should be ashamed of themselves:
if the photo is unacceptable for religious or cultural reasons, just
don't use it: don't modify it. Stupid.



On Monday, May 9, 2011, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 http://goo.gl/5LmLv

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Boris Liberman

On 5/11/2011 15:28, William Robb wrote:

On 10/05/2011 11:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:




judge a person by their actions and not by what they are

principle is, how to put it, still remains rather theoretical one.


We are what we do Boris.


That's right, Bill. I think that what you say and what I say is 
essentially the same. The idea is that either A calls B by the word C 
and then A is ready to be called by the same word or A doesn't use that 
word all together. Looking in the mirror can be a powerful weapon, you know.


The above remark is totally impersonal.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Scott Loveless
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Sandy Harris wrote:

Then there's the superhero version:
http://yfrog.com/gzlctaoj

 So, that one would be from USA Today...

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RE: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread Bob W


 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 William Robb
 Sent: 11 May 2011 13:28
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo
 
 On 10/05/2011 11:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
 
 
   judge a person by their actions and not by what they are
  principle is, how to put it, still remains rather theoretical one.
 
 We are what we do Boris.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TRoMSG-5I






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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman


On 5/9/2011 16:56, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Igor Roshchin wrote:


 http://goo.gl/5LmLv


 Very creepy.

 Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
 that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).

Creepy indeed. And wrong.

There is a post in The Online Photographer on the matter:
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/05/hillary-clinton.html

And frankly, I am frightened by some of the comments under this post. I
produced a reply therein that hasn't been moderated yet, so you don't
see it. So to re-iterate it here - I think that what the newspaper did
is wrong on more than one (or even two) levels, including whatever
limited understanding of Judaism that I have. However, the tone and the
wording of the comments is such that it clearly shows (to me, at least)
that judge a person by their actions and not by what they are
principle is, how to put it, still remains rather theoretical one.

Boris



I'm curious which comments you found frightening?

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: Mark Roberts

Sandy Harris wrote:


Then there's the superhero version:
http://yfrog.com/gzlctaoj

So, that one would be from USA Today...




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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-10 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Brian Walters wrote:


On Mon, 09 May 2011 09:56 -0400, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
wrote:
 


Igor Roshchin wrote:

   


http://goo.gl/5LmLv
 


Very creepy.

Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).
   



I wondered about that too but apparently images released by the White
House are in the public domain:

“Pursuant to federal law, government-produced materials appearing on this site 
are not copyright protected. The United States Government may receive and hold 
copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.”

Whether that allows manipulation of the photos in the way Der Tzitung
has done, I'm not sure.

Cheers
Brian

 


Definitely was mentioned as not permitted here...
... but it was altered by the White house already by pixilating the top 
secret Document
on the table by Hillary... and when they showed the shot in the media 
here they mentioned that specifically.


I thought it was a great shot.  Those individual faces say so much.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-10 Thread Jack Davis
This may have been mentioned, but the woman back near the door has, also, been 
redacted. Either that or the picture is too soft and under exposed to make her 
out.(?)

Jack

--- On Tue, 5/10/11, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
 Subject: Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 6:33 AM
 Brian Walters wrote:
 
 On Mon, 09 May 2011 09:56 -0400, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
 wrote:
   
 
 Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
     
 
 http://goo.gl/5LmLv
       
 
 Very creepy.
 
 Also, they're probably violating copyright unless
 their licensing for
 that photo included the creation of derivative
 works (very unlikely).
     
 
 
 I wondered about that too but apparently images
 released by the White
 House are in the public domain:
 
 “Pursuant to federal law, government-produced
 materials appearing on this site are not copyright
 protected. The United States Government may receive and hold
 copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or
 otherwise.”
 
 Whether that allows manipulation of the photos in the
 way Der Tzitung
 has done, I'm not sure.
 
 Cheers
 Brian
 
   
 
 Definitely was mentioned as not permitted here...
 ... but it was altered by the White house already by
 pixilating the top 
 secret Document
 on the table by Hillary... and when they showed the shot in
 the media 
 here they mentioned that specifically.
 
 I thought it was a great shot.  Those individual faces
 say so much.
 
 ann
 
 
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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-10 Thread Charles Robinson
On May 10, 2011, at 9:23, Jack Davis wrote:

 This may have been mentioned, but the woman back near the door has, also, 
 been redacted. Either that or the picture is too soft and under exposed to 
 make her out.(?)
 

Yup, noticed that.  The cute one has been removed.  :-(

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-10 Thread Sandy Harris
Then there's the superhero version:
http://yfrog.com/gzlctaoj

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-10 Thread Brian Walters
On Wed, 11 May 2011 09:06 +0800, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Then there's the superhero version:
 http://yfrog.com/gzlctaoj
 


ROFLMAO

but I think that violates the White House's terms of use as well.

:-)


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-10 Thread Boris Liberman

On 5/9/2011 16:56, Mark Roberts wrote:

Igor Roshchin wrote:


http://goo.gl/5LmLv


Very creepy.

Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).


Creepy indeed. And wrong.

There is a post in The Online Photographer on the matter:
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2011/05/hillary-clinton.html

And frankly, I am frightened by some of the comments under this post. I 
produced a reply therein that hasn't been moderated yet, so you don't 
see it. So to re-iterate it here - I think that what the newspaper did 
is wrong on more than one (or even two) levels, including whatever 
limited understanding of Judaism that I have. However, the tone and the 
wording of the comments is such that it clearly shows (to me, at least) 
that judge a person by their actions and not by what they are 
principle is, how to put it, still remains rather theoretical one.


Boris





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Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Igor Roshchin


http://goo.gl/5LmLv

Igor


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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Charles Robinson
On May 9, 2011, at 8:24, Igor Roshchin wrote:

 
 
 http://goo.gl/5LmLv
 

Just like Soviet Russia... :-(

Better to not publish it at all, than to publish it like that.

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Darren Addy
A more accurate headline would have been:
Ultra-Orthodox Paper Erases Women From Iconic Situation Room Photo

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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Igor Roshchin wrote:

http://goo.gl/5LmLv

Very creepy.

Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).
 
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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Steven Desjardins
Supposedly, they think it violates modesty to publish pictures of
women or women showing their hair, I don't understand which.
Obviously, they just shouldn't publish the photo or just black them
out to be honest about what they did.

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Igor Roshchin wrote:

http://goo.gl/5LmLv

 Very creepy.

 Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
 that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).

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RE: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Bob W
They're just a bunch of back-sliding apostates. If they were really, really
ultra orthodox they would not make unto themselves any graven image, or any
likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth
beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

B

 
 Supposedly, they think it violates modesty to publish pictures of
 women or women showing their hair, I don't understand which.
 Obviously, they just shouldn't publish the photo or just black them
 out to be honest about what they did.
 
 On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
 wrote:
  Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 http://goo.gl/5LmLv
 
  Very creepy.
 
  Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
  that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).
 
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Re: Newspaper erases people from the iconic photo

2011-05-09 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 09 May 2011 09:56 -0400, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com
wrote:
 Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 http://goo.gl/5LmLv
 
 Very creepy.
 
 Also, they're probably violating copyright unless their licensing for
 that photo included the creation of derivative works (very unlikely).




I wondered about that too but apparently images released by the White
House are in the public domain:

“Pursuant to federal law, government-produced materials appearing on this site 
are not copyright protected. The United States Government may receive and hold 
copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.”

Whether that allows manipulation of the photos in the way Der Tzitung
has done, I'm not sure.



Cheers

Brian

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