Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Dave, few points totally randomly popped in my mind. 1. I know for the fact that certain international corporation having 250 thousand employees has a special storage where they keep not just the data but also the hardware of the same era the data was produced in order to be able to access

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I upgrade my computer effectively when the time it takes to process my stuff becomes unbearably long. Well thats a good point. As you know i have mentioned my old PC is terribly slow for with its USB 1.1 ports

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:02, David J Brooks wrote: But back to my original thought. I don't need LR3 at the moment, which according to Adobe will not run on this machine's OS, but if and when i up date to a new camera and have to up date my editing software AND computer to do so, adds a hefty

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Recollections of the past made me think about meetings with slide presentations. You composed the text or selected the images, then had slides made. You proofed the glass mounted slides, loaded them upside down and backwards into the carousel, then proofed the whole presentation in a dark meeting

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Dave, I never had to process more than 300 shots at once. Well, I brought more than that from Norway in 2006 (by they were *istD files) and from Europe in 2008 (K10D) and even from Chicago this year (K7). But these are exceptions. Usually I shoot 60-something shots per outing and so does

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/29/2010 4:09 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: If the issue is reading the RAW files, why wouldn't you just shoot in the DNG format and be done with it? Last I recall, Adobe is pretty good at reading their own RAW format. -Charles Charles, as far as I understand, Dave shoots mostly with

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:16, Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/29/2010 4:09 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: If the issue is reading the RAW files, why wouldn't you just shoot in the DNG format and be done with it? Last I recall, Adobe is pretty good at reading their own RAW format. -Charles

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:16, Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/29/2010 4:09 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: If the issue is reading the RAW files, why wouldn't you just shoot in the DNG format and be done with it?  Last I recall,

Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread David J Brooks
.I say no. BTW this is not meant to start an OS war, please. I was pondering this last night. Lets see if i can convey the thoughts.;-) When i decided to up grade a camera back in film days, i just did, then add the film and carried on. Now i;m kinda stuck between the proverbial rock and a

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Loveless
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: So when i comes time to upgrade, if i'm allowed, it looks like not only the expense of the camera, possibly lenses as well, but new computers and software. Something i dont remember having to worry about in the film

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread eckinator
noone ever said digital was forcibly cheaper than film =( break even probably happens somewhere around several thousand rolls per OS cycle equivalent 2010/10/28 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: So when i comes time

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread P. J. Alling
On 10/28/2010 10:10 AM, David J Brooks wrote: .I say no. BTW this is not meant to start an OS war, please. I was pondering this last night. Lets see if i can convey the thoughts.;-) When i decided to up grade a camera back in film days, i just did, then add the film and carried on. Now

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread mark
David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: .I say no. BTW this is not meant to start an OS war, please. I was pondering this last night. Lets see if i can convey the thoughts.;-) When i decided to up grade a camera back in film days, i just did, then add the film and carried on. If you did

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread P. J. Alling
On 10/28/2010 10:24 AM, m...@robertstech.com wrote: David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: .I say no. BTW this is not meant to start an OS war, please. I was pondering this last night. Lets see if i can convey the thoughts.;-) When i decided to up grade a camera back in film days, i

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: So when i comes time to upgrade, if i'm allowed, it looks like not only the expense of the camera, possibly lenses as well, but new computers and software. Something i dont remember having to worry about in the film

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:17 AM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: noone ever said digital was forcibly cheaper than film =( break even probably happens somewhere around several thousand rolls per OS cycle equivalent That seems steep to me. I doubt that I averaged less than $10 per roll

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Loveless
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: So when i comes time to upgrade, if i'm allowed, it looks like not only the expense of the camera, possibly lenses as well, but new computers and

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Nick David Wright
With film the burden of technological upgrades lies mostly with the photo lab. With digital it lays almost entirely with the photographer. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: .I say no. BTW this is not meant to start an OS war, please. I was

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:31:13AM -0400, Matthew Hunt wrote: From my point of view, a computer is something that needs to be upgraded every few years whether I use it for photography or not. Some portion of the expense can be charged to photography, but not all of it. I guess it depends on

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:28 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:31:13AM -0400, Matthew Hunt wrote: From my point of view, a computer is something that needs to be upgraded every few years whether I use it for photography or not. Some portion of the expense can

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread eckinator
2010/10/28 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: That seems steep to me.  I doubt that I averaged less than $10 per roll of film (film purchase and processing).  Probably a good bit more, since I had the misfortune of living within walking distance of an AI lab.  500 rolls at that price would give you

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:06 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: OK point taken, I guess my figure was a little high, even though I was counting in printer, consumables, storage, backup... etc. - also people seem to upgrade bodies a lot more often with digital Yeah, I wasn't counting

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: The LR3 system requirements are pretty modest, and can be met by a 5-ish-year-old system:    *  Intel® Pentium® 4 processor or equivalent    * Microsoft® Windows® XP with Service Pack 3; Windows Vista® Home Premium,

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:51 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe i looked at the spec;s on the Adobe web site wrong, my impression was my 9 year old clone PC pentium 4 with XP home and 756 meg memory, service pack 3 was not enough to run the program. The 756 MB of memory falls

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 28, 2010, at 7:10 AM, David J Brooks wrote: .I say no. BTW this is not meant to start an OS war, please. I was pondering this last night. Lets see if i can convey the thoughts.;-) When i decided to up grade a camera back in film days, i just did, then add the film and

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Today, for $1,000 you can buy a laptop computer with enough processing power that back then it would have given the researchers at LANL a priapism that lasted a week. I now have in my possession a pocket-sized computer

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 01:17:38PM -0400, Matthew Hunt wrote: I agree about the frequency of upgrades; when I say only 500 rolls, that's still a lot for me. My K10D just rolled over 10,000 shots = ~300 rolls of film, and that's with me machine-gunning a heck of a lot more than I would with

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:15 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: I'm not sure I replace digital bodies faster than film bodies, either. The difference for me is that when I was shooting film, I was shooting Canon FD equipment around the year 2000--an obsolete system, and very cheap on the

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread eckinator
2010/10/28 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: The good news is that every year and a half the amount of processing power that you can get for your dollar doubles.  The bad news is that every year and a half the amount of processing power that folks who write software assume that you have

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Computing equipment is essential to virtually everything I do nowadays, outside of taking a walk in the park, sleeping, eating and taking a shower. So ... it's an essential in my life, independent of cameras. I never buy computer equipment expecting it to be viable forever. I always budget for

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:10:19 -0400 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Something i dont remember having to worry about in the film days. I tried running 35 mm through a MF body without the right back... not really but the light proof box has really evolved. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Upgrading thoughts, did we have to worry about this during the film years....

2010-10-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Bran Everseeking wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:10:19 -0400 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Something i dont remember having to worry about in the film days. I tried running 35 mm through a MF body without the right back... I once opened the back of a film camera to put film in and