Taking another go on the subject.
Just recently I've been reviewing my pictures from some years ago.
Notably, in 2005 Jostein came here and we drove to the forests new Haifa
University. I think the place is called Little Switzerland or
something like this. Last autumn we had devastating fire
On 3/31/2011 19:39, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
So the challenge is this: Make a picture say something. Make it say
one word That is, other than Ah or Ooo. A real word.
High. Long. Fast. Friend. Love. Charity. Cold. Hot. Soft.
Hard. Tomorrow. Yesterday. Win. Lose.
I'm sure you realize it, but I have to say, you're sincerely lucky for such a
beautiful relationship with Galia!
Jack
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I'm sure you realize it, but I have to say, you're sincerely lucky for such a
beautiful relationship with Galia!
I think Boris makes his own good luck in that regard.
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On 4/4/2011 22:47, Larry Colen wrote:
On Apr 4, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
I'm sure you realize it, but I have to say, you're sincerely lucky for such a
beautiful relationship with Galia!
I think Boris makes his own good luck in that regard.
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From: Ann Sanfedele
If it is a dark and stormy night and I take a photo of it, is that a
cliche? :-)
Only if you're a beagle sitting on top of a doghouse typing it on a
typewriter.
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What novel really started like this?
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:15 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: Ann Sanfedele
If it is a dark and stormy night and I take a photo of it, is that a
cliche? :-)
Only if you're a beagle sitting on top of a doghouse typing it on a
An 1830 novel called Paul Clifford by Edward Bulwer-Lytton
ann (of course I couldn't remember - google is our friend)
Steven Desjardins wrote:
What novel really started like this?
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:15 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: Ann Sanfedele
If it
Of course, it wasn't a cliche back in 1830.
A similar line also appears in an old Marine drinking song:
Twas a dark and stormy night, not a star was there in sight
All the Mustangs were tied down to the line
When a lonely volunteer stood in mud up to his ear
He'd orders to fly old Number Nine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bulwer-Lytton,_1st_Baron_Lytton
What novel really started like this?
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 10:15 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
From: Ann Sanfedele
If it is a dark and stormy night and I take a photo of it, is that
a
cliche?
The first novel I ever actually read that started with this line was
A Wrinkle in Time. I never even heard of the other one until I
googled it once.
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bulwer-Lytton,_1st_Baron_Lytton
What
Apparently Washington Irving used the line earlier (1809) but I dont'
know if it was the first line of a novel.
Once a young man gave me a short story he wrote for my input... it
started It was a dark rainy night in december.. sigh.
ann
Steven Desjardins wrote:
The first novel I ever
On 2011-04-02 3:26, mike wilson wrote:
On 02/04/2011 04:24, William Robb wrote:
On 01/04/2011 7:04 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bill,
Mark Cassino was kinder to me.
I didn't feel like I was totally worthless,
but he showed me the potential for what was there.
Please don't misunderstand, Tom is
On 2011-04-03 11:38, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
An 1830 novel called Paul Clifford by Edward Bulwer-Lytton
And thus the annual Bulwer-Lytton award for the cheesiest opening line
for a novel. Some the creations are amazing.
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Subject: Re: Why do you shoot?
Of course, it wasn't a cliche back in 1830.
A similar line also appears in an old Marine drinking song:
Twas
On 31/03/2011 20:37, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.
Why does what other people choose to shoot bother you?
It's not the what. It's the why.
And it's not a moral response.
Per the rest of my statement, its a longing to see people do so
On 31/03/2011 23:02, Jack Davis wrote:
It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial
relationships within the frame.
Mark!
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On 01/04/2011 00:47, Bob W wrote:
It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial
relationships within the frame.
M!
Rats! That's what I get for being a day or so behind. Great
minds..., though.
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On 02/04/2011 04:24, William Robb wrote:
On 01/04/2011 7:04 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bill,
Mark Cassino was kinder to me.
I didn't feel like I was totally worthless,
but he showed me the potential for what was there.
Please don't misunderstand, Tom is very gracious about it.
Being graciously
Something becomes a cliche because most people like it. Many
Shakespearean lines, taken out of context, are now cliches. In their
original context, however, they remain as powerful as ever.
Dan
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On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:47 AM,
Clever, Mike!
Jack
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Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 11:50 PM
On 31/03/2011 23:02, Jack Davis
wrote:
It's
Good example.
On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
Something becomes a cliche because most people like it. Many
Shakespearean lines, taken out of context, are now cliches. In their
original context, however, they remain as powerful as ever.
Dan
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On 11-04-01 1:17 AM, William Robb wrote:
I like looking at pretty women.
Amen to that.
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I wonder if photographing cliche subjects is akin to musicians playing the
standards. Just as I've lost track of how many pictures I've seen (or taken)
of sunsets, pretty flowers or waves crashing at the beach, I have no idea how
many times I've heard Summertime, St. James Infirmary, or fever.
I like looking at pretty women.
How cliche.
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Look at it this way. Every year people plant flowers in their yard
because they enjoy seeing the flowers. Cliche implies a tiredness
with something familiar, and some things never get tired. I laughed
at Bill's comment about pretty women, but it's actually a perfect
example.
On Fri, Apr 1,
coll...@brendemuehl.net
Subject: Why do you shoot?
To: pdml pdml@pdml.net
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 1:39 PM
Tim just gave us some pretty macro
flower pics. A lot of people will like them. I
enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple. But
as someone said a couple of weeks ago
to them.
Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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Subject: Why do you shoot?
To: pdml pdml@pdml.net
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 1:39 PM
Tim just gave us some pretty
Ditto again!!
-p
On 3/31/2011 9:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
Christine Aguila wrote:
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There's one thing I never do. I never consider whether or not
someone else might consider my choice of subject matter to be
Photographically, I am still struggling to rise to the level of cliche.
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Photographically, I am still
struggling to rise to the level of cliche.
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Thanks to Collin for launching this... but am still totally gonna
still-life some defenseless daisies.
Having said that, I was talking this over with a friend yesterday, and
realized that I do have one hidden agenda. It makes me especially
happy when I can publish a photo that surprises people.
I also thank Collin for the thought-provoking post. I think we know
what you mean by cliche images but I disagree with the concept
entirely. I think what you call cliche images might more readily be
called obvious beauty. Sunsets, flowers, cute babies, etc. They are
likely subjects that we all
Thanks to Collin for launching this... but am still totally gonna
still-life some defenseless daisies.
Go ahead.
Put 'em out of their misery! :-)
Sincerely,
Collin Brendemuehl
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: Why do you shoot?
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Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 11:12 AM
I also thank Collin for the
thought-provoking post. I think we know
what you mean by cliche images but I disagree with the
concept
entirely. I think what you call cliche images might more
readily
The moral of the story is cliche sells !
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Subject: Re: Why do you shoot?
Well said, Darren!
Several years ago, the owner a local gallery in which I had a number
On 01/04/2011 6:09 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I like looking at pretty women.
How cliche.
Some cliches surpass themselves.
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On 01/04/2011 9:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
And the pdml and it's members can be devious. Shooting side-by-side
with others can show you just how good your work could be. It can
inspire you to greater care and taking your effort to the next level.
I find shooting with Tom Cakalic does that
Do you mean cleavage? 8)
Jack
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Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 4:51 PM
On 01/04/2011 6:09 AM, Steven
Bill,
Mark Cassino was kinder to me.
I didn't feel like I was totally worthless,
but he showed me the potential for what was there.
Regards, Bob S.
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I also thank Collin for the thought-provoking post. I think we know what you
mean by
cliche images but I disagree with the concept entirely. I think what you call
cliche
images might more readily be called obvious beauty. Sunsets, flowers, cute
babies
On 01/04/2011 7:04 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bill,
Mark Cassino was kinder to me.
I didn't feel like I was totally worthless,
but he showed me the potential for what was there.
Please don't misunderstand, Tom is very gracious about it.
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I think many/most/all of my bird shots are cliche, or at least are attempts to
rise to that level. However. I was just reading the Forward to a new edition of
a Roger Tory Peterson Guide. The Forward by his son comments that RTP had the
talent to not only paint lovely pictures of robins, but to
If it is a dark and stormy night and I take a photo of it, is that a
cliche? :-)
Late to the discussion but really, I don't think any subject in and of
itself is a cliche . It is the manner in which it is presented
that raises it above the ordinary when the person writing, painting,
Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics. A lot of people will like
them. I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple. But as someone
said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his photography the
less he shoots. The question is: How do we better our photography
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 05:39:51PM +, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.
Why does what other people choose to shoot bother you?
Almost everything I photograph produces cliche images.
I'm not a photographer(tm) - I'm a person who happens to
Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.
Why does what other people choose to shoot bother you?
It's not the what. It's the why.
And it's not a moral response.
Per the rest of my statement, its a longing to see people do so much more.
A thing of beauty is a joy forever
I've been thinking a lot about this very subject. I've got a lot of things
that I ought to be spending my time and money on, but I've been spending them
on photography. On one level, I think I take pictures to get better at
photography. It's almost a zen thing.
On another level, I've been
I am obviously going to have to do some still-life images of daisies.
But I think you're maybe overthinking it. I am not a professional
photographer nor do my efforts reach the level where the term art is
applicable. Owning cameras pleases me. Looking around me and
photographing things I think
Bang!
http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg
I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.
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On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Bang!
http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg
I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.
That's why I post.
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2011/3/31 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net:
But as someone said a couple of weeks ago, the more
seriously he takes his photography the less he shoots.
[...]
Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.
You post very few images so if that has any relation to your
On 3/31/2011 12:39 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics. A lot of people will like
them. I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple. But as someone
said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his photography the
less he shoots.
You post very few images so if that has any relation to your
production at all, you must take your photography very seriously
indeed. But one thing is a bit unclear to me; are you bothered by
others posting pics you consider cliche, or are you bothered by your
own development as a photographer?
On 2011-03-31 11:39 , Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
The question is: How do we better our photography and get past cliche images?
Can we take it more seriously without falling into either the trap of elitism
or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from others? (That's
the
For me, it's a combination of:
1. the pleasure of using finely made devices, and
2, The thrill of the hunt when looking for the shots in the field, and
3. the artistic experience in the post processing, originally in the
darkroom and later in PS.
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:56 PM, steve harley
I see where you come from Collin.
However I think one man's cliche can be another man's:
- Honest attempts to learn the craft
- Personal joy, or even fetish
- The closest motif at hand in a photographic epiphany
Or whatever.
Jostein
2011/3/31 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net:
You post
Those are just dandy, Larry, and I'm not lyin'.
Dan
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Bang!
http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg
I shoot to annoy
I shoot all manner of things, some of which might be considered cliches. I
shoot flowers, because I'm a gardener and I like flowers. I sometimes want to
preserve the look of a bloom at its peak, much like photographing a person in
their best years. I shoot people in coffee shops and on the
Den 31. mars 2011 kl. 19.39 skrev Collin Brendemuehl:
The question is: How do we better our photography and get past cliche
images? Can we take it more seriously without falling into either the trap
of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from
others? (That's
I get a serious rush from composing pictures. If done through the viewfinder
and I feel it's just right, I am especially pleased.
It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial
relationships within the frame. I often shoot aware that a PP crop will be
needed and keenly
I see where you come from Collin.
Noted and appreciated.
However I think one man's cliche can be another man's:
- Honest attempts to learn the craft
- Personal joy, or even fetish
- The closest motif at hand in a photographic epiphany
Or whatever.
Jostein
Perhaps I'm more of an objectivist
On Mar 31, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Those are just dandy, Larry, and I'm not lyin'.
Thanks, but that's Steven's photo.
Dan
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Bang!
That's OK. I'm going to hit them with Round Up anyway.
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Those are just dandy, Larry, and I'm not lyin'.
Thanks, but that's Steven's photo.
Dan
On Thu, Mar 31,
Do You Shoot
I get a serious rush from composing pictures. If done through the
viewfinder and I feel it's just right, I am especially pleased.
It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial
relationships within the frame. I often shoot aware that a PP crop
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Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics. A lot of people will
[...]
bla bla bla
[...]
Sorry about
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There's one thing I never do. I never consider whether or not someone else
might consider my choice of subject matter to be cliched. I don't give a
damn if they do.
Hear, hear! Cheers, Christine
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Christine Aguila wrote:
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There's one thing I never do. I never consider whether or not someone
else might consider my choice of subject matter to be cliched. I
don't give a damn if they do.
Hear, hear!
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:04 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
I see where you come from Collin.
However I think one man's cliche can be another man's:
- Honest attempts to learn the craft
- Personal joy, or even fetish
- The closest motif at hand in a photographic epiphany
Or whatever.
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Subject: Why do you shoot?
Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics. A lot of people will like
them. I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple. But as
someone said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his
photography the less he shoots
I like looking at pretty women.
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