Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
Screw them. I like to hear your opinions pro and con. " I have definitely learned that there are certain people here that do not appreciate any feedback other than “good job” Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:36 PM Larry Colen wrote: > > > On Oct 15, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > > > I've cut way back on my commenting/critiquing on images posted here > mainly because my critiques are my opinion on the photo in question and as > such I don't care to hear the photographer defending why he did this or > that. Take the comment/critique for what it is and move on. > > > > When I do comment/critique I try to mention at least one aspect of the > image that was done well along with the most glaring issue I see in the > image, if any. > > > > YMMV > > I have definitely learned that there are certain people here that do not > appreciate any feedback other than “good job” and there are others that > appreciate it in order to improve their future strengths. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
> On Oct 15, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > I've cut way back on my commenting/critiquing on images posted here mainly > because my critiques are my opinion on the photo in question and as such I > don't care to hear the photographer defending why he did this or that. Take > the comment/critique for what it is and move on. > > When I do comment/critique I try to mention at least one aspect of the image > that was done well along with the most glaring issue I see in the image, if > any. > > YMMV I have definitely learned that there are certain people here that do not appreciate any feedback other than “good job” and there are others that appreciate it in order to improve their future strengths. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
I've cut way back on my commenting/critiquing on images posted here mainly because my critiques are my opinion on the photo in question and as such I don't care to hear the photographer defending why he did this or that. Take the comment/critique for what it is and move on. When I do comment/critique I try to mention at least one aspect of the image that was done well along with the most glaring issue I see in the image, if any. YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all What I miss here lately, and what I can not get on FaceBook, is intelligent and constructive criticism. Ten years ago, and even 3 or 4 years ago, I would post an image and more experienced and talented members of the group would give me honest -- and sometimes even brutal -- criticisms, More often, a post would draw comments on what was interesting and good about the image, what aspects were weak or dissonant, and what could have been done, or still could be done, to make it stronger. Now, a few people will let me know if they think one of my submissions has some merit. If I get no response to a PESO, I get the message that no one particularly likes it, but it has been quite some time since I received some critical feedback, and even longer since I saw any negative feedback. I think we have become more and more like FaceBook, where people will "like" an image, but not go much beyond that. There have been a few images in the recent past that have provoked interesting and meaningful discussions on composition, lighting,l exposure or other aspects of the work, but those seem to me few and far between. Much more common are posts with no feedback or with a comment like "pretty butterfly." Everyone likes to hear that the subject of their image is attractive, but that is no substitute for the kinds of intense discussions and debates that went on here when the number of active participants was higher. Just the grumblings of an old grouch. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM P. J. Alling wrote: I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all, Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change every 2 years. Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6 months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version, pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off Canon's current list. On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future cameras there's always the Pentax Fora. Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your thoughts except, me too. That gets old after a while, even for the poster. Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking. On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > That is hopeful news. > > Does the PDML have a future? It seems there are fewer participants > each > month. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters > > wrote: > >> G'day all >> >> I just noticed this on DP Review: >> >> https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 >> >> So, maybe. >> >> >> Cheers >> Brian >> >> ++ >> Brian Walters >> Western Sydney Australia >> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ >> https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
Deleted all my photos in there on 19. August, and sent a query to them about deleting my account. -Because that's one thing you can't do yourself. No response yet. That report at dpreview doesn't really make me regret the delete. Jostein Den 11.10.2018 01:52, skrev Brian Walters: G'day all I just noticed this on DP Review: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 So, maybe. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
Daniel J. Matyola wrote on 10/12/18 6:40 AM: What I miss here lately, and what I can not get on FaceBook, is intelligent and constructive criticism. Ten years ago, and even 3 or 4 years ago, I would post an image and more experienced and talented members of the group would give me honest -- and sometimes even brutal -- criticisms, More often, a post would draw comments on what was interesting and good about the image, what aspects were weak or dissonant, and what could have been done, or still I miss this too, not just on my own images, but I learned a tremendous amount by reading the discussion of other people's photos. could be done, to make it stronger. Now, a few people will let me know if they think one of my submissions has some merit. If I get no response to a PESO, I get the message that no one particularly likes it, but it has been quite some time since I received some critical feedback, and even longer since I saw any negative feedback. Part of that is your fault, your photography is better so the reasons to give negative feedback are much smaller. When I'm teaching people driving at the race track they generally start out with a few very big problems. It's generally fairly easy to decide which one or two things to work on. At a certain point, we've taken care of the few big issues, then that leaves the little things. In a quantitative field like driving on a track, the danger is in overwhelming the student with too many little things. In an artistic field like photography any one of those little things can be a matter of taste where some people will agree with the proposed change and others not. I think we have become more and more like FaceBook, where people will "like" an image, but not go much beyond that. There have been a few images in the recent past that have provoked interesting and meaningful discussions on composition, lighting,l exposure or other aspects of the work, but those seem to me few and far between. Much more common are posts with no feedback or with a comment like "pretty butterfly." Everyone likes It could be worse, they could say "pretty butterfly" about a photo of a tree. :-) to hear that the subject of their image is attractive, but that is no substitute for the kinds of intense discussions and debates that went on here when the number of active participants was higher. Joking aside, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The quality of feedback on this list was among the highest I've seen online. The feedback I see these days is still very good, but it's a lot less frequent. Just the grumblings of an old grouch. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM P. J. Alling wrote: I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all, Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change every 2 years. Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6 months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version, pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off Canon's current list. On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future cameras there's always the Pentax Fora. Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your thoughts except, me too. That gets old after a while, even for the poster. Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking. On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That is hopeful news. Does the PDML have a future? It seems there are fewer participants each month. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I just noticed this on DP Review: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 So, maybe. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow th
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
What I miss here lately, and what I can not get on FaceBook, is intelligent and constructive criticism. Ten years ago, and even 3 or 4 years ago, I would post an image and more experienced and talented members of the group would give me honest -- and sometimes even brutal -- criticisms, More often, a post would draw comments on what was interesting and good about the image, what aspects were weak or dissonant, and what could have been done, or still could be done, to make it stronger. Now, a few people will let me know if they think one of my submissions has some merit. If I get no response to a PESO, I get the message that no one particularly likes it, but it has been quite some time since I received some critical feedback, and even longer since I saw any negative feedback. I think we have become more and more like FaceBook, where people will "like" an image, but not go much beyond that. There have been a few images in the recent past that have provoked interesting and meaningful discussions on composition, lighting,l exposure or other aspects of the work, but those seem to me few and far between. Much more common are posts with no feedback or with a comment like "pretty butterfly." Everyone likes to hear that the subject of their image is attractive, but that is no substitute for the kinds of intense discussions and debates that went on here when the number of active participants was higher. Just the grumblings of an old grouch. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM P. J. Alling wrote: > I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all, > Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or > even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after > all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change > every 2 years. > > Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three > different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few > months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6 > months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version, > pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off > Canon's current list. > > On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future > cameras there's always the Pentax Fora. > > Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to > the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good > photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your > thoughts except, me too. That gets old after a while, even for the > poster. > > Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really > bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking. > > > On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > That is hopeful news. > > > > Does the PDML have a future? It seems there are fewer participants each > > month. > > > > Dan Matyola > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters > > wrote: > > > >> G'day all > >> > >> I just noticed this on DP Review: > >> > >> https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 > >> > >> So, maybe. > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> Brian > >> > >> ++ > >> Brian Walters > >> Western Sydney Australia > >> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > >> https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > >> > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
I think a lot of us are still her, but just resting, after all, Ricoh/Pentax doesn't have the release schedule of Sony, Canon, Nikon or even Panasonic, so talking about hardware is kind of redundant, after all how much navel gazing can one do about cameras that only change every 2 years. Hell it's not like Sony throwing spaghetti at the wall with three different versions of the same camera with release dates only a few months, at most apart, or Canon bringing out a new entry model every 6 months or so, with often only minor changes from the previous version, pushing the previous model down a step until it somewhere falls off Canon's current list. On the other hand, if you want to navel gaze about once and future cameras there's always the Pentax Fora. Some of us would contribute more if someone hadn't already beaten us to the punch, after all what else can you say to a great or merely good photo when someone else has already expressed, more or less, your thoughts except, me too. That gets old after a while, even for the poster. Everyone here is too accomplished to post any photograph that's really bad here, except maybe for me, and usually I've been drinking. On 10/10/2018 7:56 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That is hopeful news. Does the PDML have a future? It seems there are fewer participants each month. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I just noticed this on DP Review: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 So, maybe. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
That is hopeful news. Does the PDML have a future? It seems there are fewer participants each month. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:53 PM Brian Walters wrote: > G'day all > > I just noticed this on DP Review: > > https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 > > So, maybe. > > > Cheers > Brian > > ++ > Brian Walters > Western Sydney Australia > http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PPG - Maybe it has a future after all
G'day all I just noticed this on DP Review: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61777199 So, maybe. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ https://500px.com/supera1000/galleries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
