Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:11:53 -0800 Larry Colen wrote: I have a 31, I'm not enamored with it, but it does yeoman work as a standard prime. I despise the sun shade but was dissuaded from taking a dremel and removing it. The shade is useless on aps. I made one like the da 40 with a couple of step down rings which also allow me to use 49mm filters. I found an old plastic shade for some tele, that simply slides over the 31mm own shade, just like the cap. It is a tight fit, so it does not fall off, and is at about double the length of the original shade (and no gaps :) For a walkabout standard I also have a 35 macro. Have that too, and prefer it to the 31mm, due to size, built-in shade and macro capability, awesome lens! Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
I've got the K30 f2.8 which I'd use more if Pentax had made an A version or still supported the aperture simulator. It's only a stop faster than the FA 20-35mm which is much more convenient when metering on Pentax' DSLRs and as far as I can tell just as sharp. So the K30 rides the shelf more often than it rides a camera. Which is a shame since it was the best ~28mm lens that Pentax made in the manual focus film era, and makes for a nice 43mm equivalent when using a DSLR. On 1/1/2014 4:19 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I'm not using them right now. For the last 15 months I've been driving from California to South America, and I have with me the K5, K01, and my FA and DA lenses. The awesome manual focus stuff is stored back in the Bay Area. I'll be flying to CA in a couple of weeks, and then I will pick up the K3. I'll probably bring at least the K24/3.5 and K30/2.8 with me then. j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote: Juan, What camera are you using your K and M lenses on? Jonathan -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 12:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...) That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
In the bay area, San Jose camera carries Pentax. I have a 31, I'm not enamored with it, but it does yeoman work as a standard prime. I despise the sun shade but was dissuaded from taking a dremel and removing it. The shade is useless on aps. I made one like the da 40 with a couple of step down rings which also allow me to use 49mm filters. For a walkabout standard I also have a 35 macro. Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not using them right now. For the last 15 months I've been driving from California to South America, and I have with me the K5, K01, and my FA and DA lenses. The awesome manual focus stuff is stored back in the Bay Area. I'll be flying to CA in a couple of weeks, and then I will pick up the K3. I'll probably bring at least the K24/3.5 and K30/2.8 with me then. j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote: Juan, What camera are you using your K and M lenses on? Jonathan -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 12:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...) That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
OK. So, after thinking a lot, and more importantly, after going out to shoot with the 6D and a nice Zeiss 35mm lens, I've decided to stay with Pentax. I got some really nice frames from the 6D. The shallower depth of field is really noticeable to me. But the camera is bulky, heavy, and so are the lenses. I can see myself buying this camera and then leaving it at home while I go shoot with the Leica. I'll keep waiting for a full frame Pentax MX. I know the technology is there... I'd be happy with a full frame 10MP camera, MX-sized, similar viewfinder. Hey, make it all manual and drop the LCD screen, even, I don't care, as long as mi DNGs are on the SD card when I come back home. Or course, that's a pipe dream. In the meantime, the K3 will be a really nice thing to shoot with. I'll put a Katz Eye screen on it and my viewfinder magnifier. Now my decision is: do I get the 20-40 with it, or, since it's just a little bit more money, the 31/1.8, which seems like the ideal normal lens for these cameras? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
Juan, I really like the 31. It's fast and kind of small and sharp. You'll not regret owning one. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So, after thinking a lot, and more importantly, after going out to shoot with the 6D and a nice Zeiss 35mm lens, I've decided to stay with Pentax. I got some really nice frames from the 6D. The shallower depth of field is really noticeable to me. But the camera is bulky, heavy, and so are the lenses. I can see myself buying this camera and then leaving it at home while I go shoot with the Leica. I'll keep waiting for a full frame Pentax MX. I know the technology is there... I'd be happy with a full frame 10MP camera, MX-sized, similar viewfinder. Hey, make it all manual and drop the LCD screen, even, I don't care, as long as mi DNGs are on the SD card when I come back home. Or course, that's a pipe dream. In the meantime, the K3 will be a really nice thing to shoot with. I'll put a Katz Eye screen on it and my viewfinder magnifier. Now my decision is: do I get the 20-40 with it, or, since it's just a little bit more money, the 31/1.8, which seems like the ideal normal lens for these cameras? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
Thanks Bob... The idea of the 20-40 was really nice, but the 31 seems like it will be superb. Does the focusing ring allow you to move it with the camera on AF? j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Juan, I really like the 31. It's fast and kind of small and sharp. You'll not regret owning one. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So, after thinking a lot, and more importantly, after going out to shoot with the 6D and a nice Zeiss 35mm lens, I've decided to stay with Pentax. I got some really nice frames from the 6D. The shallower depth of field is really noticeable to me. But the camera is bulky, heavy, and so are the lenses. I can see myself buying this camera and then leaving it at home while I go shoot with the Leica. I'll keep waiting for a full frame Pentax MX. I know the technology is there... I'd be happy with a full frame 10MP camera, MX-sized, similar viewfinder. Hey, make it all manual and drop the LCD screen, even, I don't care, as long as mi DNGs are on the SD card when I come back home. Or course, that's a pipe dream. In the meantime, the K3 will be a really nice thing to shoot with. I'll put a Katz Eye screen on it and my viewfinder magnifier. Now my decision is: do I get the 20-40 with it, or, since it's just a little bit more money, the 31/1.8, which seems like the ideal normal lens for these cameras? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
No, the FA31 is an older screw drive AF lens and you don't have the modern convenience of touching-up the focus. I've pretty much lived on the AF results as is. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Bob... The idea of the 20-40 was really nice, but the 31 seems like it will be superb. Does the focusing ring allow you to move it with the camera on AF? j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Juan, I really like the 31. It's fast and kind of small and sharp. You'll not regret owning one. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So, after thinking a lot, and more importantly, after going out to shoot with the 6D and a nice Zeiss 35mm lens, I've decided to stay with Pentax. I got some really nice frames from the 6D. The shallower depth of field is really noticeable to me. But the camera is bulky, heavy, and so are the lenses. I can see myself buying this camera and then leaving it at home while I go shoot with the Leica. I'll keep waiting for a full frame Pentax MX. I know the technology is there... I'd be happy with a full frame 10MP camera, MX-sized, similar viewfinder. Hey, make it all manual and drop the LCD screen, even, I don't care, as long as mi DNGs are on the SD card when I come back home. Or course, that's a pipe dream. In the meantime, the K3 will be a really nice thing to shoot with. I'll put a Katz Eye screen on it and my viewfinder magnifier. Now my decision is: do I get the 20-40 with it, or, since it's just a little bit more money, the 31/1.8, which seems like the ideal normal lens for these cameras? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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The only thing I don't like about the 31mm is the fixed lens hood, (I've only handled one once so maybe it's not a bit problem, but), it seems that might be problematic when it's used on an APS-C sensor camera. On 1/1/2014 12:32 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: Thanks Bob... The idea of the 20-40 was really nice, but the 31 seems like it will be superb. Does the focusing ring allow you to move it with the camera on AF? j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Juan, I really like the 31. It's fast and kind of small and sharp. You'll not regret owning one. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So, after thinking a lot, and more importantly, after going out to shoot with the 6D and a nice Zeiss 35mm lens, I've decided to stay with Pentax. I got some really nice frames from the 6D. The shallower depth of field is really noticeable to me. But the camera is bulky, heavy, and so are the lenses. I can see myself buying this camera and then leaving it at home while I go shoot with the Leica. I'll keep waiting for a full frame Pentax MX. I know the technology is there... I'd be happy with a full frame 10MP camera, MX-sized, similar viewfinder. Hey, make it all manual and drop the LCD screen, even, I don't care, as long as mi DNGs are on the SD card when I come back home. Or course, that's a pipe dream. In the meantime, the K3 will be a really nice thing to shoot with. I'll put a Katz Eye screen on it and my viewfinder magnifier. Now my decision is: do I get the 20-40 with it, or, since it's just a little bit more money, the 31/1.8, which seems like the ideal normal lens for these cameras? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the
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I had the 31 Limited for a while and wasn't very enamored of it. I didn't think it worked so well for the size of the premium over the 35/2. And it is darn bulky. And I hated the stupid fixed lens hood. The 43/1.9 Limited was a different matter ... I almost kept a Pentax body just so I could keep shooting with that lens. My all time favorite Pentax lens. If I ever went back to using Pentax gear, it's the first (and maybe only) lens I'd buy. I particularly like the focal length on the APS-C format. I'd get one of them or the 20-40, no question. Godfrey On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So, after thinking a lot, and more importantly, after going out to shoot with the 6D and a nice Zeiss 35mm lens, I've decided to stay with Pentax. I got some really nice frames from the 6D. The shallower depth of field is really noticeable to me. But the camera is bulky, heavy, and so are the lenses. I can see myself buying this camera and then leaving it at home while I go shoot with the Leica. I'll keep waiting for a full frame Pentax MX. I know the technology is there... I'd be happy with a full frame 10MP camera, MX-sized, similar viewfinder. Hey, make it all manual and drop the LCD screen, even, I don't care, as long as mi DNGs are on the SD card when I come back home. Or course, that's a pipe dream. In the meantime, the K3 will be a really nice thing to shoot with. I'll put a Katz Eye screen on it and my viewfinder magnifier. Now my decision is: do I get the 20-40 with it, or, since it's just a little bit more money, the 31/1.8, which seems like the ideal normal lens for these cameras? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:01 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
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Yes. Marnie aka Doe :-) Be nice to see you again. In a message dated 12/28/2013 2:35:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Definitely! I went to several of the PDML meetups, up until 2007 or so. And I've lived in the Bay Area for 18 years! We are going back after this trip, San Francisco is home after all. Are you guys still meeting from time to time? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: No, the FA31 is an older screw drive AF lens and you don't have the modern convenience of touching-up the focus. I've pretty much lived on the AF results as is. Oh. This might actually be the dealbreaker for me, I think. I find that I'm using the 21, the 12-24 and the 17-70 a lot more than I would otherwise, just because that way I can do MF or AF without thinking. I always set the AF to work with the AF button and not with the shutter release. With older lenses, some times I miss photos because I try to focus manually and the AF is engaged, or because I press the AF button and nothing happens. I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/01/2014 2:58 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. The 20-40 has quick shift. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) You can never have too many lenses. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan, What camera are you using your K and M lenses on? Jonathan -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 12:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...) That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The 20-40 has quick shift. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) You can never have too many lenses. We obviously never met in the old times of the PDML, but I see that the old enablement tradition is alive and well :) j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/01/2014 3:12 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The 20-40 has quick shift. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) You can never have too many lenses. We obviously never met in the old times of the PDML, but I see that the old enablement tradition is alive and well :) j kosh I have always been here. /kosh Well, since 1998, anyway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not using them right now. For the last 15 months I've been driving from California to South America, and I have with me the K5, K01, and my FA and DA lenses. The awesome manual focus stuff is stored back in the Bay Area. I'll be flying to CA in a couple of weeks, and then I will pick up the K3. I'll probably bring at least the K24/3.5 and K30/2.8 with me then. j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote: Juan, What camera are you using your K and M lenses on? Jonathan -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 12:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...) That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: We obviously never met in the old times of the PDML, but I see that the old enablement tradition is alive and well :) j kosh I have always been here. /kosh Well, since 1998, anyway. Ahh! I went back to the emails saved by gmail and figured out which Bill you are. Of course. I just didn't recognize your gmail address. My apologies, sir. I think you might have *invented* the tradition of enablement around these parts. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/1/14, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: I went back to the emails saved by gmail and figured out which Bill you are. This is not uncommon. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmmm… It might be a horse race between Bill and Bob Sullivan… Rick On Jan 1, 2014, at 16:24 , Juan Buhler wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: kosh I have always been here. /kosh Well, since 1998, anyway. Ahh! I went back to the emails saved by gmail and figured out which Bill you are. Of course. I just didn't recognize your gmail address. My apologies, sir. I think you might have *invented* the tradition of enablement around these parts. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Never met a Pentax lens that I didn't need. Moved to a new house last month and the spare bedroom is full of Pentax lenses (and cameras). The 24, 30, and 28's are good substitutes for the 31mm. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hmmm… It might be a horse race between Bill and Bob Sullivan… Rick On Jan 1, 2014, at 16:24 , Juan Buhler wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: kosh I have always been here. /kosh Well, since 1998, anyway. Ahh! I went back to the emails saved by gmail and figured out which Bill you are. Of course. I just didn't recognize your gmail address. My apologies, sir. I think you might have *invented* the tradition of enablement around these parts. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And the 35/2. Paul via phone On Jan 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Never met a Pentax lens that I didn't need. Moved to a new house last month and the spare bedroom is full of Pentax lenses (and cameras). The 24, 30, and 28's are good substitutes for the 31mm. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hmmm… It might be a horse race between Bill and Bob Sullivan… Rick On Jan 1, 2014, at 16:24 , Juan Buhler wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: kosh I have always been here. /kosh Well, since 1998, anyway. Ahh! I went back to the emails saved by gmail and figured out which Bill you are. Of course. I just didn't recognize your gmail address. My apologies, sir. I think you might have *invented* the tradition of enablement around these parts. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The sentiment has probably been expressed, but with the last upgrade to the K3 I see no serious cause to switch. With that I would ask how format could be any concern. 24Mp on APS-C differs little from 24Mp in 135 form factor. There may be technical reasons to change for some professionals, but for most there is no real diff. Of course if I were shooting pro the 7r would be in the running. D800 along-side. Why not Canon? For the most part, the pros I know use Nikon because it is built to get the job done. At least that is the common opinion around here. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And the M35/2 or A35/2. The K35/2 is a bit bulky and I don't have a FA35/2. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: And the 35/2. Paul via phone On Jan 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Never met a Pentax lens that I didn't need. Moved to a new house last month and the spare bedroom is full of Pentax lenses (and cameras). The 24, 30, and 28's are good substitutes for the 31mm. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hmmm… It might be a horse race between Bill and Bob Sullivan… Rick On Jan 1, 2014, at 16:24 , Juan Buhler wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: kosh I have always been here. /kosh Well, since 1998, anyway. Ahh! I went back to the emails saved by gmail and figured out which Bill you are. Of course. I just didn't recognize your gmail address. My apologies, sir. I think you might have *invented* the tradition of enablement around these parts. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/01/2014 3:24 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: My apologies, sir. I think you might have *invented* the tradition of enablement around these parts. No apologies needed. I change screen names every now and again to maintain fear and loathing in the hearts of the plebs. I'm not sure if I invented enablement, but I have tried to encourage a strong culture of it. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/01/2014 5:44 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: And the M35/2 or A35/2. The K35/2 is a bit bulky and I don't have a FA35/2. I like the A35/2. It's beguilingly compact, and takes nice clear pictures. I've heard it is fairly rare as well. I can't believe you don't have the FA35/2. It has nice glass, but I don't like the build so much, though it does seem sturdier than it feel like it should be. I should use my FA35/2 sometime. It's funny, I remembered buying one, but I didn't have a clue as to it's whereabouts. It turns out it was still in the box. I just found it a couple of weeks ago. I don't recall how long ago I bought it, probably shortly after the istD. I would have had no need for any AF lenses before that, and would have wanted an AF standard right after. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul via phone On Jan 1, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 5:44 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: And the M35/2 or A35/2. The K35/2 is a bit bulky and I don't have a FA35/2. I like the A35/2. It's beguilingly compact, and takes nice clear pictures. I've heard it is fairly rare as well. I can't believe you don't have the FA35/2. It has nice glass, but I don't like the build so much, though it does seem sturdier than it feel like it should be. It looks wimpy, but it's a good lens. Fine adjustment of autofocus is a must do with this one. But it will reward you. Paul I should use my FA35/2 sometime. It's funny, I remembered buying one, but I didn't have a clue as to it's whereabouts. It turns out it was still in the box. I just found it a couple of weeks ago. I don't recall how long ago I bought it, probably shortly after the istD. I would have had no need for any AF lenses before that, and would have wanted an AF standard right after. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The FA35/2 comes around often. It was available at BH recently, but I like the 31 Limited so much that I can never bring myself to buy it. The one I'm proud of is the F28/2.8. Not many of those around and very small. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 5:44 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: And the M35/2 or A35/2. The K35/2 is a bit bulky and I don't have a FA35/2. I like the A35/2. It's beguilingly compact, and takes nice clear pictures. I've heard it is fairly rare as well. I can't believe you don't have the FA35/2. It has nice glass, but I don't like the build so much, though it does seem sturdier than it feel like it should be. I should use my FA35/2 sometime. It's funny, I remembered buying one, but I didn't have a clue as to it's whereabouts. It turns out it was still in the box. I just found it a couple of weeks ago. I don't recall how long ago I bought it, probably shortly after the istD. I would have had no need for any AF lenses before that, and would have wanted an AF standard right after. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan sounds like a great trip. How does the K5 control the exposure and aperture control of the M lens? Jonathan -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 1:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...) I'm not using them right now. For the last 15 months I've been driving from California to South America, and I have with me the K5, K01, and my FA and DA lenses. The awesome manual focus stuff is stored back in the Bay Area. I'll be flying to CA in a couple of weeks, and then I will pick up the K3. I'll probably bring at least the K24/3.5 and K30/2.8 with me then. j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM, ma...@redwoodhorses.com wrote: Juan, What camera are you using your K and M lenses on? Jonathan -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Juan Buhler Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 12:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...) That is me. But given the lack of quick focus shift, I think I'll be ok with the other lenses around that focal length I already have: FA28/2.8, K30/2.8, FA35/2. Heck, I even have the M28/3.5 and the M35/2.8. Maybe I have too many lenses as it is :) j On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/2014 2:09 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: I think it will be the 20-40 for me then. Is this you: http://www.jbuhler.com/ ?? If so, I think it will be a lens you will find happiness with. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All I can say is that the K-3 image quality is terrific. I suspect it would equal the 60D, although the sensor wouldn't be as large. (Both cameras shoot a full frame:-). The autofocus of the K-3 is much improved over the K-5, but I don't know that it's the equal of Canon. Paul On Dec 28, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan - I have been enjoying the adventures of Milo and envy you your trip. With each photo you posted I played a bit of a guessing game: Did he shoot this one with Leica or Pentax? I never found any defining characteristic in the subjects or in the rendering which gave a clue as to which one you used... I don't know Canon, so I can't speak to your alternatives on the dark side. I do have the K-3 and 20-40. Very quiet in operation, very comfortable, straightforward to use, good results... If you go this route, you may still lust for a 35mm-sized sensor, but you won't otherwise be disappointed with your choice. stan On Dec 28, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Juan - just buy the K-3 - clearly your pro-con list is leaning that way :-) gotta keep having your photos in the PDML Annual.. ann - (who diverted to the dark-side briefly and came back to the fold.) On 12/28/2013 11:48, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:48:00PM -0200, Juan Buhler wrote: Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. Fingers are generally pretty good at learning new things, even if it takes a week or so of fumbling at first. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. But do they focus accurately that quickly? So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. Or, you could offer your girlfriend half the cost of the 60D, as long as you get access to it. That way you have access to full frame, and get to see how well it really works, plush she gets to carry the heavy kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. My hunch is that if you get the K3, in three months you'll be wishing you had the money for the full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? It seems to me that debating K3 or full frame is kind of like debating Corvette or Ferrari. There are differences in performance, but I don't know how often they'll have an effect in day to day use. I think that we are also starting to see the effects that Ricoh is having on Pentax. There are people on this list that know more about marketing than I do, and perhaps they could answer what would be the ideal timing on releasing a high end APS and a high end full frame. If you release them at the same time, you only get one publicity bump. If you release the full frame first then people who buy the full frame won't buy the APS, however there are certain people that will always buy the top of the line body when it is available. However, even they might take pause at dropping $2K+ on a full frame body only a few weeks after dropping $1,300 on a K3. Also, when the full frame comes out, the K-3 will no longer be the best Pentax body on the market, and will lose sales value. So, even barring engineering challenges, I don't think that they'd release the full frame until prices start to drop on the K-3. The other question is, would they announce it at a big show? Or would they avoid that period and announce it during an otherwise quiet photo news period, so that they are not competing with other announcements? I'd be inclined to wait until at least a short while after whatever would be the best time, from a marketing point of view, to announce a full frame, to make any Pentax buying decisions that have a long term financial impact. If you were to buy the 60D, would you keep your Pentax gear? If you were to buy it, and in four months Pentax announces a full frame, could you sell it to your girlfriend to finance the Pentax upgrade? Is there anyplace that you could rent the 60D for a week or two and see if you really like it? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Few random idea, Juan, if I may. 1. Canon 60D is not a full frame camera. The Canon 6D however is. 2. You can buy a bundle of 6D plus 24-105/4L relatively cheap. Further it stands to reason that currently there're further discounts. 3. I would suggest you double check whether you could adapt your Pentax lenses to Canon camera in reversible manner. 4. I don't think you should consider a *possibility* of Pentax introducing a full frame camera *in the future*. You, if I understand you correctly, want to renew your camera here and now. So I think the strategy would be simple. Someplace along your travel route there ought to be a shop where you could actually hold/look into viewfinder/take few shots of a sample unit of both Canon 6D and Pentax K3. So instead of asking us - you will see for yourself. You know what - may be, just may be, instead of buying a new DSLR you could buy a new lens for your Leica M8. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/12/13, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? I suspect it will stay intact for a while longer mate ;-) Amazing to hear from you! What the hell are Pixar doing now that you're not there!! I would say definitely go with the Canon - my son has the 17-40/4 he uses on the 1DmIIn and it is a lovely lens. By all accounts the 24-105 is no slouch either. That said, you want a 36X24 sensor so why not go for a full-frame beast? (the 60D is APS-C) There's plenty of choice As Tevye said, on the other hand If Pentax do pull a rabbit out of a hat and bring FF to the market, I would love one. Exactly how possible this is, is anyone's guess. The hat stays on the plate for now. I'm shooting with some Fuji hardware at the moment and loving it. I've got an X-E1 and a lil X-10 and will pick up an X100 or X100s in due course - just a matter of time. Be well on your travels and bring out another book - the last one sits on a shelf next to Sieff, Newman, Frank and HCB! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 28/12/13, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: or get a 60D ($1300 Do you mean a 6D (36X24 sensor) or a 60D (APS-C sensor) ?? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, based on everything I've read lately, if you're not sticking with Pentax the better choice as far as imaging would be Nikon. I haven't compared Nikon and Canon directly for autofocus speed but others have said that Nikon is as good as Canon at for that at least at the upper end of their respective camera ranges. I read somewhere that Canon had managed to capture the lions share of the SLR market without having a wide angle lens worthy of mounting on a camera. I kind of agree. Now you probably want an optical viewfinder. I guess that would leave out the new Sony 24x36mm mirrorless cameras, though they're supposed to be very, very, good, with what might be the best or second best EVF available, but in that case, if you can get repetitively clean 16-24mp images from 4:3 or APS-C mirrorless cameras there seems to be less need for full frame, the viewfinder isn't quite so constrained by the laws of physics. The real advantage I suppose of the new Sonys is that with the short lens registration distance adapters for lots of legacy lenses will be available, which would make my lovely wide angle K mount lenses wide angle again, and maybe easier to shoot. So that's where I think I'd go, either to Nikon, they have the best output for imaging right now, or take a good hard look at the Sony a7/a7R but that would probably be in addition to keeping a Pentax body. This is beside the point, but I've handled Nikon and Canon bodies and I can safely say I don't hate Nikon ergonomics, I can't say the same for most Canon and some Sony products. On 12/28/2013 11:48 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks all for the thoughtful replies. Sorry--I was thinking 6D and looking at the 6D reviews, but somehow wrote 60D. Maybe it was some kind of Freudian thing that means that I want to stay with a smaller-than-35mm format. Or it might mean the opposite, the only sure thing is that it was Freudian :) Thanks Boris and Cotty for the correction. Paul, Stan--thanks. I am sure the K3 image quality is excellent. Heck, my K5 makes better images than I care for--give me a 12MP full frame sensor on a istD sized body and that's what I'll shoot with. Image quality stopped being an issue for me when we passed 10MP. Larry--that is a great idea. Except that Stephanie doesn't really shoot with Canon. She has a 1Dsomething mark2 (a non full frame one) and those two lenses, but in the last year found that my old Panasonic GF1 and 20mm/1.7 is plenty for her. I envy that, she manages to make great photographs and tell the story she wants to tell with a little four year old camera. The Canon hardware was left in San Francisco when we went there briefly in August. Besides, there would be no offering her half the price of the 6D, we are past that stage--money is our money... Boris--I actually have access to a 6D right now. I'm in Buenos Aires, and Stephanie's brother is here visiting. Another gearaholic, he brought both a 6D and a Sony 7R. I'm glad I got to try the Sony--extremely nice, compact full frame, but the shutter sound is like you are shooting a Pentax 6x7, and there's this (digital) viewfinder blackout that lasts an extremely long time between shots. So the Sony is discarded, even though I could easily mount all my SMC glass on it. The 6D strikes me as a little too big for my taste. It's too bad he didn't bring any prime lenses other than a Zeiss 35mm, which is also too big. All--I agree, it really dosn't seem like there's going to be a FF Pentax any time soon, if ever. More and more of their lenses are APS, and there doesn't seem to be a price range where they would fit: how much better than a 6D would it have to be for it to compete? I know *I* would gladly pay $2500 for a digital MX sort of camera with a K mount and a full frame sensor, but how many more people would? Probably not too many, and Ricoh/Pentax knows that. Cotty--as usual sir, you embarrass me with your praise. Thanks! The Fuji cameras seem really nice from what I've seen. BTW, one more thing: I might be getting an M9 to replace the M8. Not buying it--it's a long story, but basically I'll have an M9 to use and keep as long as I want. So maybe that will take care of the full frame urges. I'm flying to the USA next month, so that's when all the gear renewal is going to happen. Incredible how much cheaper things are in the States compared to most everywhere else. I'm leaning K3 now, because of the size and ergonomics... On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 28/12/13, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: or get a 60D ($1300 Do you mean a 6D (36X24 sensor) or a 60D (APS-C sensor) ?? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Funny, I was writing when your email arrived. The Sony a7r I discard, after hearing the shutter and seeing its frame to frame VF blackout. I hear the cheaper a7 might be better in those regards, and seriously, it is tempting. Wouldn't it be great to have one of those with an SMC M 50/1.4 on it? It even *looks* kind of like a black MX! Nikon is not an option for me because then I would be all on my own regarding lenses. With Canon, I could be borrowing really great glass from family. With Nikon, no such luck. j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:24 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, based on everything I've read lately, if you're not sticking with Pentax the better choice as far as imaging would be Nikon. I haven't compared Nikon and Canon directly for autofocus speed but others have said that Nikon is as good as Canon at for that at least at the upper end of their respective camera ranges. I read somewhere that Canon had managed to capture the lions share of the SLR market without having a wide angle lens worthy of mounting on a camera. I kind of agree. Now you probably want an optical viewfinder. I guess that would leave out the new Sony 24x36mm mirrorless cameras, though they're supposed to be very, very, good, with what might be the best or second best EVF available, but in that case, if you can get repetitively clean 16-24mp images from 4:3 or APS-C mirrorless cameras there seems to be less need for full frame, the viewfinder isn't quite so constrained by the laws of physics. The real advantage I suppose of the new Sonys is that with the short lens registration distance adapters for lots of legacy lenses will be available, which would make my lovely wide angle K mount lenses wide angle again, and maybe easier to shoot. So that's where I think I'd go, either to Nikon, they have the best output for imaging right now, or take a good hard look at the Sony a7/a7R but that would probably be in addition to keeping a Pentax body. This is beside the point, but I've handled Nikon and Canon bodies and I can safely say I don't hate Nikon ergonomics, I can't say the same for most Canon and some Sony products. On 12/28/2013 11:48 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
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I've heard that the Sony shutters are loud too. But then again, I'm still shooting a K20D and there's talk about how loud that shutter is, until I talk too some of my friends who are shooting mid range Canon and Nikon bodies, and then they tell me how quiet my camera is, (I guess they don't listen to it autofocusing because I use mostly manual focus lenses). On 12/28/2013 3:44 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: Funny, I was writing when your email arrived. The Sony a7r I discard, after hearing the shutter and seeing its frame to frame VF blackout. I hear the cheaper a7 might be better in those regards, and seriously, it is tempting. Wouldn't it be great to have one of those with an SMC M 50/1.4 on it? It even *looks* kind of like a black MX! Nikon is not an option for me because then I would be all on my own regarding lenses. With Canon, I could be borrowing really great glass from family. With Nikon, no such luck. j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 5:24 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Well, based on everything I've read lately, if you're not sticking with Pentax the better choice as far as imaging would be Nikon. I haven't compared Nikon and Canon directly for autofocus speed but others have said that Nikon is as good as Canon at for that at least at the upper end of their respective camera ranges. I read somewhere that Canon had managed to capture the lions share of the SLR market without having a wide angle lens worthy of mounting on a camera. I kind of agree. Now you probably want an optical viewfinder. I guess that would leave out the new Sony 24x36mm mirrorless cameras, though they're supposed to be very, very, good, with what might be the best or second best EVF available, but in that case, if you can get repetitively clean 16-24mp images from 4:3 or APS-C mirrorless cameras there seems to be less need for full frame, the viewfinder isn't quite so constrained by the laws of physics. The real advantage I suppose of the new Sonys is that with the short lens registration distance adapters for lots of legacy lenses will be available, which would make my lovely wide angle K mount lenses wide angle again, and maybe easier to shoot. So that's where I think I'd go, either to Nikon, they have the best output for imaging right now, or take a good hard look at the Sony a7/a7R but that would probably be in addition to keeping a Pentax body. This is beside the point, but I've handled Nikon and Canon bodies and I can safely say I don't hate Nikon ergonomics, I can't say the same for most Canon and some Sony products. On 12/28/2013 11:48 AM, Juan Buhler wrote: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy,
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 06:37:21PM -0200, Juan Buhler wrote: BTW, one more thing: I might be getting an M9 to replace the M8. Not buying it--it's a long story, but basically I'll have an M9 to use and keep as long as I want. So maybe that will take care of the full frame urges. I'm flying to the USA next month, so that's when all the gear renewal is going to happen. Incredible how much cheaper things are in the States compared to most everywhere else. You mentioned SF, if you're in the Bay Area, do give us a heads up so that we can put a face to the email. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 01:54:20PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 06:37:21PM -0200, Juan Buhler wrote: BTW, one more thing: I might be getting an M9 to replace the M8. Not buying it--it's a long story, but basically I'll have an M9 to use and keep as long as I want. So maybe that will take care of the full frame urges. I'm flying to the USA next month, so that's when all the gear renewal is going to happen. Incredible how much cheaper things are in the States compared to most everywhere else. You mentioned SF, if you're in the Bay Area, do give us a heads up so that we can put a face to the email. Or, in some case, renew an old acquaintance. Thare are still a few faces around here that Juan might recognise ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Definitely! I went to several of the PDML meetups, up until 2007 or so. And I've lived in the Bay Area for 18 years! We are going back after this trip, San Francisco is home after all. Are you guys still meeting from time to time? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:09 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 01:54:20PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 06:37:21PM -0200, Juan Buhler wrote: BTW, one more thing: I might be getting an M9 to replace the M8. Not buying it--it's a long story, but basically I'll have an M9 to use and keep as long as I want. So maybe that will take care of the full frame urges. I'm flying to the USA next month, so that's when all the gear renewal is going to happen. Incredible how much cheaper things are in the States compared to most everywhere else. You mentioned SF, if you're in the Bay Area, do give us a heads up so that we can put a face to the email. Or, in some case, renew an old acquaintance. Thare are still a few faces around here that Juan might recognise ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
We get together but very occasionally, usually when someone is visiting town. Last time was when Jostein was here. It would be great to see you again, do tell when you'll be in town. I have thoughts on the Great Camera Hunt ... But that'll be another post. :-) Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com On Dec 28, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Juan Buhler juanbuh...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely! I went to several of the PDML meetups, up until 2007 or so. And I've lived in the Bay Area for 18 years! We are going back after this trip, San Francisco is home after all. Are you guys still meeting from time to time? j On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:09 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 01:54:20PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 06:37:21PM -0200, Juan Buhler wrote: BTW, one more thing: I might be getting an M9 to replace the M8. Not buying it--it's a long story, but basically I'll have an M9 to use and keep as long as I want. So maybe that will take care of the full frame urges. I'm flying to the USA next month, so that's when all the gear renewal is going to happen. Incredible how much cheaper things are in the States compared to most everywhere else. You mentioned SF, if you're in the Bay Area, do give us a heads up so that we can put a face to the email. Or, in some case, renew an old acquaintance. Thare are still a few faces around here that Juan might recognise ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
Two things: 1 I hope you can contribute to the PDML Photo Annual this year 2 I think the K3 would work for you, but if you consider switching I think the new Sony full-frame A7 and A7r cameras would be suitable for street photography. Smaller than cameras with a reflex mirror and quieter, too (the 24MP A7 is apparently even quieter than the 36MP A7r for some reason). -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What would you do (stay with Pentax, or...)
I was saving up for a full-frame Pentax. Doesn't look like that's in the near future, but that's Ok, because some other things came up wiped out the money I was saving for that, setting me back to square one. Maybe Pentax will have something to offer me by the time I've saved up again. On 12/28/2013 12:58 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: The Canon 24/105 is a great lens. Just saying... Marnie aka Doe :-) Actually so is the 17-40, I believe. In a message dated 12/28/2013 8:48:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, juanbuh...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, I don't post here much anymore, but I decided to ask this because I see a lot of the old names and the pdml has always been an awesome group of people. As some of you might know, I've shot with Pentax all my photographic life. Starting with an ME-Super, going through PZ-1, MX (I still have two black ones!), ZX-n, istD, K10D, to my current ones, a K5 and a K-01 I bought because it was a really cheap way to put a sensor behind my lenses. I love the quality and ergonomics of my Pentax cameras. After all these years, I obviously have a nice set of lenses. I am currently traveling in South America long term, so I have a subset of those with me: 12-24 zoom, 21 Limited, FA28/2.8, FA35/2, FA50/1.7, 17-70 zoom. The first three are my most used ones right now. I also shoot a lot with a Leica M8 and either a 28 or 35mm lens on it. Now the time has came to renew my DSLR. Obviously, an option that is up there is a K3. It seems like a camera I'd love, and given that it's a Pentax, I can just use it without waiting for my fingers to learn where the controls are. BUT. I've missed having full frame all this time. I would love to go back to shooting mostly with a 50mm, because of its shallow depth of field. I would love to have a big viewfinder, and fast AF wouldn't hurt. Every time I pick up a Canon, it makes me sad how fast the AF is. Even way older models, like an original 5D, focuses way faster with a 50/1.8 than my K5 with a 50/1.7 or 35/2. So I am now trying to make this decision: get a K3, along with a 20-40 (that zoom looks great for photos in the street!), or get a 60D ($1300 at KEH), with a 50/1.8 and possibly a 28/1.8? If I get a Canon, I have lenses available through my girlfriend: a 17-40/4 and a 24-105/4, so I would immediately have a complete kit. The money spent would be about the same. One option means staying with a brand I know and love. The other means getting full frame and state of the art AF, no more little screws on my lenses. I feel like if I get the 60D I will miss Pentax tremendously. And if I get the K3 I will love it, and in three months I will be wishing for a full frame K mount. What says the PDML? It seems like the only good thing about Pentax not releasing a FF camera is that Cotty's hat is still intact, no? j -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
