[PEIRCE-L] Re: Just Be Cause

2014-04-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Submitted for you approval, another bitty brain teaser from Our Dear Duns Scotus, care of Warren S. McCulloch. In 1923 I gave up the attempt to write a logic of transitive verbs and began to see what I could do with the logic of propositions. My object, as a psychologist, was to in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Just Be Cause

2014-04-02 Thread Matt Faunce
That's also found in CP 6.66, "Let he who has insight calculate the number..." Matt On 4/2/14, 5:25 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: Peircers, The physics courses I took in college and all the extra reading I did on the side taught that the rise of relativity and quantum mechanics had overthrown forme

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Just Be Cause

2014-04-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jon, list, I've thought of that quote quite a bit lately. It didn't quite hit me like a bus, but it reinforces my feeling of imprecision about what a cause is. - Best, Ben On 4/2/2014 5:25 PM, Jon Awbrey wrote: Peircers, The physics courses I took in college and all the extra reading I did

[PEIRCE-L] Just Be Cause

2014-04-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, The physics courses I took in college and all the extra reading I did on the side taught that the rise of relativity and quantum mechanics had overthrown former notions about the rock-bottom status of causality, space, and time, placing the "causal picture" and the "spacetime picture"

RE: [PEIRCE-L] leave room for chance

2014-04-02 Thread Deely, John N.
So much for the deniers of chance! From: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 16:23 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] leave room for chance John, that's right, only the same applies to an an efficient cause. Let's say that bus doesn't crush

Re: [PEIRCE-L] leave room for chance

2014-04-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
John, that's right, only the same applies to an an efficient cause. Let's say that bus doesn't crush the inattentive pedestrian chancing a blind run, but, as the bus turns the corner, bumps him in the head as he slides under it in the snow, so that he wakes up safe and sound under the stopped b

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Another "Ground arms!" example and the theater announcement example - Joe's transcription from MS 634

2014-04-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
List, I've now posted Joe's transcription of MS 634, pp. 23-28 at Arisbe, so there'll be an online place where the underlinings and italics in the transcription are preserved. http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/bycsp/ms634/ms634_23-28.htm There are a couple of dissertations, each split up

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-02 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Gary F, Auke, Cathy, list Gary F, maybe I was indeed too quick and jumped the rationale of my claim. Sure the predicate signifies characters of the subject and offers the depth of a proposition. But saying that does not explain how we come to have the concept of, say, yellow, as to apply to a chai

[PEIRCE-L] Another "Ground arms!" example and the theater announcement example - Joe's transcription from MS 634

2014-04-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
List, Joseph Ransdell sent a transcription of MS 634, pp. 23-28 to peirce-l in the his post of 29 May 2008, with subject line "CSP on the object as cause of the sign (MS 634.23-28)". I have pasted it below. The underlinings, italics, and centering appear in my winmail.dat copy of the email bu

RE: [PEIRCE-L] leave room for chance

2014-04-02 Thread Deely, John N.
Ben, your remarks sound right to me. But an “agent” may be produing an effect proper to its own being, as, say, in reproduction; but an “agent” may also work in a chance event, as when an inattentive pedestrian steps in front of a bus which, as “agent cause”, proceeds to crush the pedestrian. B

Re: [PEIRCE-L] leave room for chance

2014-04-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
John D., Frank, list, I notice that I've made the distinctions sound more verbal than substantive, but it's partly how I remember it from Aristotle. I would add that some things lend themselves better to treatment as matter than as efficient causes, and so on. In dynamics and decision processe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] leave room for chance

2014-04-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
John D., Frank, list, I'm not aware that _/agens/_ vs. _/efficiens/_ is aligned with proper vs. accidental cause, in either order. I don't know whether such a thing is what John D. had in mind, but it seems so. As I understand it, based on my Latin studies decades ago and on my old copy of _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-02 Thread Vinicius Romanini
Cathy, list Thank you Cathy for sharing with us your very good, and also charming, account of Peirce's basic ideas of perception. In my PhD thesis Minute Semeiotic (2005) I found it very difficult to put my understanding in a rhetoric narrative as you are presenting. My choice then was to intervie

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:5459] Re: What kind of sign is ANYTHING called "a

2014-04-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Gary R., Edwina, Cathy, Jeffrey, list, Gary, thanks for this explanation from Nöth, which is much more nuanced than the bit from his Handbook of Semiotics (which I included in my reply to Jeff before I saw your message). The trouble with the pansemiotic issue is that it catches us between s

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-02 Thread Auke van Breemen
Gary, You replied to Vinicius: With that in mind, I don't quite follow your argument here, and could use some further explanation on these points: "icons do not enter our concepts as such" "depth signifies the object by applying to it percipua discriminated as predicative terms (mortal,

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5, Semeiotics, or the doctrine of signs

2014-04-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Vinicius, My previous message was inspired by the kind of thing Peirce says in the "New Elements" essay of 1904: [[ Every sign that is sufficiently complete refers to sundry real objects. All these objects, even if we are talking of Hamlet's madness, are parts of one and the same Universe

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Pragma, Pragmata, Pragmatitude❢

2014-04-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers and Others ... The sections my project on Inquiry Driven Systems where I introduce the use of Objective Frameworks (OFs) may be of use in the discussion of objects, pragmata, purposes, etc., so here is a copy of the first installment. Anyone who wishes to read ahead may find this among