Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-30 Thread Howard Pattee
At 08:58 PM 9/29/2014, Clark Goble wrote: HP: To get a fairer picture of how physicists think, please peruse http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdfthis survey. CG: I'd seen that before. While it's a great guide to interpretations of quantum mechanics it really doesn't address the nominalism

[PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.4

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Lists, By this time it should be clear to readers of NP that the subject/predicate structure of the proposition in Peirce’s logic is generalized in Peirce’s semiotic as the indexical/iconic structure of the Dicisign. In §3.4 of NP we meet the most radical and profound — and perhaps the most

Re: [biosemiotics:7030] RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-30 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jeff wrote: all regularities-wherever they are found--may be conceived as inference chains. Those inference chains that are no longer evolving in their embodied regularities no longer appear to be changing towards some end and may, at that point in time, be conceived simply as mechanical

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions . Selected Passages

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Jon, you wrote, It has long been my practice to maintain a separation between original source texts and their various interpretant texts and I continue to believe that this is the better practice from the standpoint of both scholarship and encouraging critical thinking than dicing and slicing a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, You wrote, [CG] The line of thinking I was following was that generals, as used by Peirce, simply has much narrower application possible than universals like colors. It’s true that the universal yellow can be instantiated by a limited number of objects but is treated

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-30 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 30, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Howard Pattee hpat...@roadrunner.com wrote: At 08:58 PM 9/29/2014, Clark Goble wrote: HP: To get a fairer picture of how physicists think, please peruse this survey http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf. CG: I'd seen that before. While it's a great guide to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-30 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 30, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: If one is a realist _only_ about things that one doesn't know, then one implies that the real is not cognizable. I suppose that one could say in a loose sense that one is partly an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, You wrote, [CG] It’s a subtle issue that’s hard to get terminology for. (Probably one should do a literature search and see how others have solved it - but I don’t have time for that unfortunately) I’m not sure I like more or less general either since the more or less

[PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F., Lists, Although I found came upon the quotation below in searching for texts on genuineness in Peirce, I've decided to give this post a new subject line as it seems only tangentially related to dicisigns. The passage (copied below) has interested me for years, so much so that at one

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, sorry, a few corrections/additions in *bold red*. - Best, Ben On 9/30/2014 1:58 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Clark, list, You wrote, [CG] It’s a subtle issue that’s hard to get terminology for. (Probably one should do a literature search and see how others have solved it

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R., Gary F., lists, Thanks for the reminder, Gary R. about renaming tangential threads. I should have done that a while ago with some threads that I've been on. Regarding conservation of energy: My understanding is that, in general relativity it's considered not to be conserved in an

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

2014-09-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Edwina, Helmut, lists, I can see from your responses that these issues of chirality and genuine (vs degenerate) triadic relations might be approached from a number of angles. I hope I haven't opened a can of worms by broaching them taken together, although it would appear that Peirce was

[PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

2014-09-30 Thread Clark Goble
(Changed the thread title since we’ve drifted far from natural propositions) On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: [CG] Whether the “nearly real” is good enough is a reasonable question. Like you, I see it as good enough, but I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary, lists, There's a new article on beta decay and biochemical chiral asymmetry: Chirally Sensitive Electron-Induced Molecular Breakup and the Vester-Ulbricht Hypothesis Phys. Rev. Lett. 113, 118103 – Published 12 September 2014 J. M. Dreiling and T. J. Gay Abstract

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7028] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.3

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, lists, GF: By shifting the emphasis (in his definition of fact) from that Secondness to its *structure* -- which is that of a proposition or dicisign, and therefore partakes of Thirdness -- I think Peirce was adding another dimension to the mode of being of fact. I would tend to agree

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 30, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Regarding conservation of energy: My understanding is that, in general relativity it's considered not to be conserved in an expanding or contracting universe, although it's still regardable as conserved in normal

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Clark, list, Thanks for the link, I failed to supply any. Even in cases where Wikipedia is to be trusted, it's often too technical and jargony, as if written by students for their professors rather than by professors for the general public. You wrote, ...Noether’s Theorem would imply

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Sungchul Ji
Ben wrote: . . . some people think that the chiral asymmetry in fundamental particles and forces may give rise to observed chiral asymmetry in organic molecules in biochemistry. One of the pioneers in this field is Dilip Kondepudi, a student of the late Prigogine, of the Wakeforest University

[PEIRCE-L] A War of Necessity

2014-09-30 Thread Robert Eckert
Dear List, As a recent veteran, (ETS 9/11/2014) I feel compelled to speak to this war. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/editorial/2014/09/23/a-war-of-necessity/16125243/ Thank you, Robert Eckert - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A War of Necessity

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Robert, This post has nothing to do with anything concerning Peirce-related scholarship. Why did you post it to this list? Best, Gary (writing as list moderator) *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York*

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Genuine triadicity, chirality (handedness) and the origins of life

2014-09-30 Thread Sungchul Ji
[O]ne cannot completely rule out the possibility that whatever is responsible for the asymmetry of weak interactions may also play a role in the formation of primitive organic compounds. I think it was D. Kondepudi who proved in his late 1970's (?) Nature article the possibility of chiral

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-30 Thread Howard Pattee
To: Peirce List peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2 At 12:24 PM 9/30/2014, Clark wrote: To me nominalism is whether there are just particular things and not real generals. I don't quite see how whether there's really

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A War of Necessity

2014-09-30 Thread Gary Richmond
Robert, Ben, list, Robert, of course I completely agree with Ben. I too thank you for your service, most sincerely and most deeply. I vaguely recall a message your sent to this list a few years ago wherein you expressed something of the same or similar sentiment. I respected that sentiment then