Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Gary, My confusion about the term "normative science" is based on the ending "-tive" in "normative". The way you explain it, for me "normologic" would sound better, as in "biologic", because in biologic science, nobody (I hope) would claim to have caused life. But an artist, who is "creative"

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Jon, Stefan, list Jon, you understand german? well, i still think, that these rules of inferment or logic are objects of scientific inquiry or investigation. So it is not the science itself, that is normative, but it is the rules, discovered by science, that are- but their normativity is their

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
sb, my sentiments exactly ... http://www.wissen-im-netz.info/literatur/goethe/faust/1teil/01.htm jon -- academia: http://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey my word press blog: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/ inquiry list: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/ isw: http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wik

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread sb
Lieber Helmut, Was du ererbt von deinen Vätern hast, erwirb es, um es zu besitzen. Was man nicht nützt, ist eine schwere Last; Nur was der Augenblick erschafft, das kann er nützen. Es geht doch nicht darum Dinge zu glauben, weil sie alt sind, es geht darum aus der Etymologie eines Wortes etwas ü

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Ooops! sorry!!! I was somehow in a square mood. Now everything ok again. Dont take it literally. Sorry. It will not happen again. I will not utter bad words again in the future. SORRY!     The link did not work, a kind of lexicon appeared, and I had to pull the plug (when my computer does not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
Helmut, Jon, Jon's quote from Plato about _/nomos/_ is especially suggestive with the idea of rhythm ("rockabye baby" etc.), and thus is in keeping with ideas of measure, proportion, (overall) tone (as of a painting), and being in keeping. _/Nomos/_ also is used in a more general sense of a

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Helmut, Jon’s reference to “nomos” is a red herring, I think, based on a pseudo-etymology (or maybe just one of his jokes). A carpenter’s square (Lat. norma) is a tool for checking that the angles in a constructed object are close enough to the norm of a “right angle” (90 degrees). Logic

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Helmut, List, A carpenter's square is a guide for getting one's angles right. I have to be running off right now, but a good way to sense the root senses of normative inquiry is to let one's mind wander a bit poetically through the many-splintered connotations of this Antic Greek pastoral pastur

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Jon, list, we are talking about "normative science", and, ok, "norma" is a carpenters square. What is that? And what does all that have to do with children suffering from sleeplessness?  Gesendet: Freitag, 02. Januar 2015 um 17:25 Uhr Von: "Jon Awbrey" An: "Helmut Raulien" Cc: peirce-l@

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Latin "norma" = carpenter's square Greek "nomos" = custom, habit, law, manner, melody, mode or mood (in music), course of masonry (in architecture) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=nomos&la=greek#lexicon | Thus when mothers have children suffering from sleeplessness,

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Supplement: Now there is one thing, I am not clear about, that is the meaning of the adjective "normative". To me- might be, because I am not a native speaker of English, "normative" sounds somewhat like "dogmatic". I think, that proper (in my understanding of proper) science is nothing but inq

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear John, List, in your definition of pragmatic ethics you have included: "in order to achieve the admirable or the "good in itself" that is determined by a prior consideration of esthetics". Now I dont see, what might be left for the other kind of ethics, the prescriptive ethics. Especially, if