John, List:
JFS: We were talking about a method that a student or scholar of Peirce may
use for testing a sign to determine whether it is an instance of 1ns, 2ns,
or 3ns.
Again, according to Peirce, there are *ten different respects* by which a
sign can be classified as an instance of
Jon, John, List,
The answer "A brooch" looks like a rheme, but as an answer it is a proposition, as "he gives her" is just omitted for the reason, that both know this opening. A triadic proposition, I think, if not already is an argument, at least involves a "because". For example if you say;
Jon,
I completely agree with the following paragraph:
JAS> Put another way, a who or what question is often a rheme, such that the
answer fills in the blank to complete the proposition. "___ retrieved the book"
becomes "My dog retrieved the book." "The man gave his wife ___" becomes "The
man
John, List:
At the risk of belaboring the point, I will take one more stab at showing
why I think that Peirce would *not *have agreed with distinguishing 1ns,
2ns, and 3ns by aligning them with the answers to who/what/when/where, how,
and why questions as (allegedly) monadic, dyadic, and triadic.
I have to shovel snow right now, but I'll briefly explain the two sentences.
JAS>
JAS: How did the woman obtain the brooch? Her husband gave it to her.
JFS: The verb 'give' is triadic. It implies a dyadic physical transfer (answer
to How) plus the reason why: a gift includes the reason why the
Jerry, Jon, List,
Helmut had an excellent suggestion: Every why-question can be answered with a
because-answer. Therefore, every instance of Thirdness can be explained in
sentence that contains the word 'because'. See my comments below and Helmut's
original note below that.
If you find my
Helmut, List:
Peirce's three universal categories (1ns/2ns/3ns) are discovered in the
primal positive science of phaneroscopy (quality/reaction/mediation) and
diagrammatized in the hypothetical science of mathematics
(monadic/dyadic/triadic relations).
I do not know whether anyone has posted a
Helmut,
Thanks for mentioning the word 'because'. That's another way to explain the
3-way connection that answers a why-question, In general, every instance of
thirdness that relates (A B C) can be explained by a sentence of the form "A is
related to B because C."But some linguistic
List, Jon
> On Feb 14, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt
> wrote:
>
> There are indeed six classes of signs according to their dyadic relations
> with their two external interpretants (immediate is internal), but they have
> nothing to do with "the six basic question words.”
Thanks for
John, List:
It seems that we both made mistakes when addressing the e-mails reproduced
below. I apologize for sending mine to the List, it was intended for only
Gary as its moderator. Because of our unfortunate history of contentious
interactions, I often use him as a sounding board whenever I
Supplement: Ok, I can access Commens Dictionary again!
John, List,
The answer to "why", "because" always needs two premisses, with itself being the third. So a thirdness is the answer to "why". Firstness can just say "I". Secondness is a second following a first, and so can say "I
John, List,
The answer to "why", "because" always needs two premisses, with itself being the third. So a thirdness is the answer to "why". Firstness can just say "I". Secondness is a second following a first, and so can say "I am". Obviously, just by having a first for predecessor, not because
Jon, List,
Thank you for noting that I had intended to push the SEND ALL button for my
previous note (copied at the end).
But I stand by my claim that every example of Thirdness can be interpreted as
an answer to a question that begins with the word "Why".
I agree with your point that every
List:
JFS: And there are six kinds of reference that a sign my have to its
interpretants.
Although Peirce discusses "reference to an interpretant" in his
groundbreaking early paper, "On a New List of Categories" (CP 1.553-559, EP
1:5-10, 1868), as far as I can tell, he *never *uses that phrase
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