Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: JD: On my interpretation of the text, the law of inertia functions as the third correlate in the triadic relation. Are there any passages in Peirce's writings where he *explicitly *presents a triadic relation that has a law as one of its correlates? JD: We can analyze the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-14 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations Jeff, List: JD: I take the expression of the conditional to involve a genuinely triadic relation because there is a law that governs the relation. What is the warrant for taking every relation that is governed by a law to be ge

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: JD: I take the expression of the conditional to involve a genuinely triadic relation because there is a law that governs the relation. What is the warrant for taking *every *relation that is governed by a law to be *genuinely triadic* on that sole basis? On the contrary, most (if

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-12 Thread John F Sowa
Jeff, Mike, and Jon, Mathematics is diagrammatic reasoning, and EGs are a version of logic that uses a more flexible and versatile system of diagrams than Peirce's algebra of 1885 or any algebra since then. But the diagrams are fundamental. Any words used to describe the diagrams are useful

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Mike Bergman
On 5/11/2019 10:22 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote: JD:  I take the EGs to be topological in character. As a formal system, they are based on the notion of relations of composition and transformation that hold between areas on a sheet of assertion that is, itself, continuous. Various

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Jon S, List, JD: In the Prolegomena, Peirce uses the modal tincture of Fur as a means of expressing intentions in the gamma system. The pattern of ermine (or the color yellow), is used to represent iconically that the area shaded expresses an intention on the part of the agent (see Don

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
> (o) 928 523-8354 > > ------ > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *Sent:* Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:02 PM > *To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations > > John, List: > > JFS: To clarify these issues, s

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: JD: Insofar as there is a mental component involved in each, both are genuinely triadic in their character because the existential facts are now considered to be governed by general habits of thought. In the quoted passage (CP 8.331; 1904 Oct 12), Peirce did not say that having a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:02 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations John, List: JFS: To clarify

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, List: JFS: To clarify these issues, search CP for every occurrence of "A gives B". I did exactly that last night, and what I found has influenced my responses accordingly. CSP; ... every dyad by a particularization evolves a dyadic triad. Thus, A murders B is a generalization of A

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: JD: In the Prolegomena, Peirce uses the modal tincture of Fur as a means of expressing intentions in the gamma system. The pattern of ermine (or the color yellow), is used to represent iconically that the area shaded expresses an intention on the part of the agent (see Don Roberts,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
John S, Jon S, List, JohnS: To clarify these issues, search CP for every occurrence of "A gives B". Jeff D: Here is one passage that is particularly germane to the question at hand. When Peirce claims that giving is a genuinely triadic relation, I take note of the fact that in the "Logic of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread John F Sowa
Jeff and Jon, To clarify these issues, search CP for every occurrence of "A gives B". Peirce states the issues in different ways, but the following example illustrates the general principle: A triad may be explicated into a triadic tetrad. Thus, A gives B to C becomes A makes the covenant D

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Jon S, List, JD: In order to interpret "μ is the surrender by A of B" and "ν is the acquisition by A of D" as triadic and not merely dyadic relations, my hunch is that he is considering these actions as intentional in character. JS: Maybe, but then how would you restate them as explicitly

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: JD: My strategy for interpreting these passages is to take Peirce at his word when he refers to the triadic relations that are involved. Normally I would do likewise, which is why I find them so problematic. JD: In order to interpret "μ is the surrender by A of B" and "ν is the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-10 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
t of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:40 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations Jeff, List: That passage by Peirce is quite a head-scratcher.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jeff, List: That passage by Peirce is quite a head-scratcher. For one thing, the relations of surrendering and acquiring are clearly *dyadic*, rather than triadic. For another, it seems obvious that just as any triadic relation involves *exactly three* dyadic relations, likewise any tetradic

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic and Tetradic relations

2019-05-10 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
List, In a draft of a 1905 letter to Lady Welby, Peirce analyzes the tetradic relationship of A gives up B to C in exchange for D (Semiotic and Significs, 190). I am interested in his remarks about the exchange of goods for the sake of better understanding his account of the relations that