Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Gary f. , list De Tienne slide 23  starts with: "BECAUSE mathematics, in principle, is not concerned with anything but itself. The world could stop existing, but to pure mathematicians that would at most be an inconvenience." This is clearly a blunder since if the world stopped existing,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Bernard, List: I agree with Gary F.'s reply just now, but already drafted this one so I am going ahead and posting it. BM: This is clearly a blunder since if the world stopped existing, there would no more exist mathematicians at all, neither pure nor applied. I would call it hyperbole rather

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

Robert, List: Where has anyone disputed anything stated in the quotation below from Peirce or implied by the subsequent question? Having acknowledged repeatedly that formulating ideal hypotheses from which necessary conclusions are subsequently drawn indeed falls within the scope of pure

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Bernard, list, I just noticed that the point I was trying to make below (about “experience”) is more fully explained by Peirce in this 1893 text: Experiencing (TS ·7) (gnusystems.ca) Gary f. From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On

[PEIRCE-L] Updated slides for talk on Universal Query Language

I uploaded new slides for today's talk: http://jfsowa.com/talks/uql.pdf Slides 19 and 20 are the most important additions. John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

RE: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Bernard, list, Yes, you can regard De Tienne’s statement about mathematicians in a non-existing world as a logical blunder; I regard it as a manifestation of his peculiar sense of humor. As for the experience of mathematicians doing pure mathematics, you can indeed call it “experience,” but

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

CS Peirce : 1897 [c.] | On Multitude | MS [R] 26:1 Mathematics is a study of exact hypotheses, in so far as consequences can be deduced from them. *To limit mathematics to the deduction* of those consequences would be to separate from it some of the greatest of the achievements of modern

[PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

Continuing our slow read on phaneroscopy, here is the next slide of André De Tienne’s slideshow posted on the Peirce Edition Project (iupui.edu) site. Gary f. Text: * What mathematicians observe (and construct and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Gary R, list I agree with you that the materials used for the slow read  are only supports for public presentations and not research papers. I had noticed this straight from the beginning of the slow read and I thought that to use publicly such materials was not a good service made to their

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Gary F, Jon S, Bernard, List, I must admit that I've been finding the discussion of 'pure' vs 'applied' mathematics a bit frustrating since the distinction which Peirce makes between the two is quite clear (whether one agrees with it or not) and has been explicated here with textual support quite

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

Jon Alan, List, JAS > " ... what is allegedly still not being recognized?" But I will tell you! What now stands in the way of your recognizing the value of the mathematical object (Poset) "3→2→1" (C) (the arrow representing abstracts morphisms)? Because I have shown very simply ( see Podium,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

List, Well, this discussion has taught me at least two lessons about how debates work on peirce-L: 1- you can create cookies-quotes 2- when one is in trouble, one can cancel one's comments by invoking one's sense of humor... and so I can add : 3 - "of course, 1 and 2 are manifestations of my

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Bernard, JAS, Gary F, Robert, list: The problem I have with De Tienne's outline of mathematics is the intense focus he gives to its essential irrelevance to we who live in the real world. I don't think it can be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Edwina, List: ET: The problem I have with De Tienne's outline of mathematics is the intense focus he gives to its essential irrelevance to we who live in the real world. This continues to miss the point entirely, which is not that pure mathematics is *irrelevant *to living in the real world,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }List, JAS wrote: "Any quotation of any author is removed from its original context, so an argument is needed to demonstrate that a particular quotation is being interpreted and presented in a way that somehow

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 24

Robert, List: I do not recall ever *denying *the value of the poset (3→2→1) as a mathematical hypothesis with application to phaneroscopy, or that there is indeed a sense in which it is isomorphic to Peirce's universal categories (3ns→2ns→1ns). In fact, last week I explicitly *acknowledged *that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Helmut, list 1] De Tienne says that mathematics is "not concerned with anything but itself. The world could stop existing, but to pure mathematicians that would at most be an inconvenience". And his example of a mathematician in this state is 'Archimedes was killed while

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Bernard, List: BM: The main difficulty for me is the doctrinal turn of the exchanges that consist most often in some kind of gloss of Peirce's writings, as if they were gospels. Peirce's writings are our only definitive source for ascertaining what *his *views were, in this case *his

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Relations & Their Relatives

Cf: Relations & Their Relatives • 3 https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2015/02/18/relations-their-relatives-3/ All, Here are two ways of looking at the divisibility relation, a dyadic relation of fundamental importance in number theory. Table 1 shows the first few ordered pairs of the relation on

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Edwina, List   I dont think that De Tienne "tells us that it is essentially detached and isolate from the Real World to be almost irrelevant". After all, mathematics is based on axioms, which come from the real world. These are premisses. What I donot understand is, why these are called "purely

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Edwina, List ET> Who will judge whether X-person's reading or Y-person's reading 'represents its author's original intent?  Who has this capacity to make such a judgment? The author is the only person who has the right to state his or her intent.  Following is one of Peirce's clearest

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Hi John and List, I agree with Edwina's questions and I endorse the general sense of your argument. But I disagree with your statement: "This implies that every statement of his [Peirce's] philosophy must be evaluated in terms of his logic." My perspective is that the universal categories are

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 23

Edwina, List: ET: But isn't an argument also needed to demonstrate that a particular quotation is being interpreted and presented in a way that truthfully represents its author's original intent? I typically provide quotations from Peirce as evidence that the views I am attributing to him are