[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6960] Re: Physics Semiosis

2014-09-23 Thread Sungchul Ji
John wrote : I am currently unclear whether the processes he (6960-1) hypothesizes (and creates) are semiotic. It seems to me that semiosis is a complex process consisting of at least three basic steps that constitute a mathematical category: fg Object -- Sign

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Benjamin Udell
Stefan, Gary F., list, I was indeed addressing the snakebite example, just not mentioning it by name. If two traditions, two people, two of anything, arrive at incompatible conclusions about snakebites, then at most one of their conclusions is true. That's what incompatible conclusions means.

[PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

2014-09-23 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Jon, I too find more continuity than discontinuity in the development of Peirce's thought. However, I don't think that following that development in chronological order is the easiest or best way to understand his truly radical ideas. My experience has been that we can clearly see the roots of

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6968] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Benjamin Udell
John, lists, I remember years ago here at peirce-l I did another one of those examples of what would happen in courtrooms (but I was a LOT wordier in those days) if some replacement of truth as a value were to prevail, Rorty's in that case, the value of democratic exchange of views. Rorty

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6908] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Benjamin Udell
Cathy, list, Thanks! But you're scaring me with some of the things that you say. [...] first-year philosophy students, most of whom come in thinking that some kind of social constructivism is the only educated or open-minded or ‘culturally sensitive’ view of the world – I am currently being

[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:6969] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread John Collier
Ben, Yes, please do post the paper. I don’t deal with the materialism-idealism issue in that paper. Just in things that aren’t directly Peirce related, though they do use some of his ideas. I hadn’t thought of the legal issue, but Susan Haack is a legal philosopher first of all. I found her

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Stefan, I think you have a well-balanced position here, and I’m copying your post to the biosemiotics list, because I think it contributes a lot to a discussion that’s been going round and round on the biosemiotics list for years. The same goes for Ben’s contributions, but he’s already posted

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:6969] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Benjamin Udell
John C., Thanks, done. But you say your paper deals just in things that aren't directly Peirce related? (Signs without minds http://web.ncf.ca/collier/papers/Signs%20without%20minds.pdf ) It has plenty of review of Peirce's ideas, and draws conclusions that definitely are not simply about

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6971] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, Stefan, lists, Stefan does appear to offer a balanced approach. Still, I have some questions. Firstly, I didn't (and I don't recall Cathy) strongly approving Ben's post on any other basis than that it argued against, as I put it, a constructivist epistemology, something which Stefan

RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

2014-09-23 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary F., Jon, Lists, Looking back on my own struggles to find coherence in Peirce's published and unpublished writings, I now think that the early lectures 1865-6 are actually quite a good place to start--at least when one reaches the point of trying to work more systematically through his

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Howard Pattee
At 12:45 PM 9/22/2014, Benjamin Udell wrote: The laws seem for all the world like mathematical rules nontrivially operative as laws of physical quantities such as force, mass, velocity, etc. That's why the laws can be formulated as mathematical rules, in conventional mathematical symbols and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

2014-09-23 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard jeffrey.down...@nau.edu mailto:jeffrey.down...@nau.edu wrote: So, I'd like to ask, what are the key data that a logical theory should draw on for the purposes of generating and testing hypotheses about real the nature of the dicisign?

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6968] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-23 Thread Clark Goble
On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I remember years ago here at peirce-l I did another one of those examples of what would happen in courtrooms (but I was a LOT wordier in those days) if some replacement of truth as a value